also the issue about monitoring the sales would be no different to monitoring smokes, dvd’s or alcohol a quick id check. they already do this at many stores now anyway eg: EBgames do not sell MA ganes to people under 15 and check id. also with an R+ rating the games that have higher content would not get sold to 15 year olds either.

90% of gamers now that own a xbox360 or ps3 are over 20 anyway, and the ones who aren’t must have had their parents buy it for them cause they could not afford it on their own in which case the parents should monitor what their kids play. if they dont or ignor the warnings on the boxes then it is their fault and they have no right to complain.

Consult… Christans?
Excuse me, you make it sound like they were just asking the christans- THEY ASKED EVERYONE!!
It’s just the christans and the Porn-pushers that have a problem with it.

I wouldn’t even say it was that. It’s just the knee jerk reaction from both groups made for a better story for the media. When was the last time they reported on violent games in a positive manner? So far they haven’t even been able to construct a headline that isn’t an accusation or derogatory.

@ Jackablade

More power to ya, man. I had to go through all sorts of hell to even brandish my wedding sword in public (mind you the blade is 85 cm long and 6 cm wide..). If you’re a member of the AKC (Australasian Knife Collectors) you’re granted exemption from the Vic Sword Law Legislation, but it’s $30 a year just to have the same right you get for free in the other states.

@Donar “I can’t understand why us Victorians can’t have swords (especially decorational and fantasy a.k.a. non-practical swords) but I abide by the law.”
We’re not? I probably really should stop lugging my taichi sword around the main streets of Melbourne then.

The OFLC’s tagline is “Informing Your Choices.”

Maybe if they started ‘Informing’ instead of ‘Ignoring’ we might be able to take them seriously.

Consult… Christans?

Excuse me, you make it sound like they were just asking the christans- THEY ASKED EVERYONE!!

It’s just the christans and the Porn-pushers that have a problem with it.

By the way, Atheists more moral than religious people? Bullshit; Evolution. Survival of the fittest. Religion was set in to make people play nice. So either you’re an Animal or you’re special. You can’t be both.

1) The Eros Foundation are liars. They must be worried about something, like what Taco said: Porn movies selling less because porn games are selling more. Couldn’t they take advantage of this and get some adult games out there? Yeah I said it. Porn games. They’d have an R rating, so everything would be fine. They don’t actually BELIEVE what they’re saying, they are flat out lying. From their website:
“We seek to bring logical and popular perspectives to love and sex rather than moral or religious ones.”

From the Article:
“A spokesman for Eros said the foundation backed the ACL stance. “We support the Australian Christian Lobby’s point of view,” the spokesman said tonight.”

Lies. They are either in support of the Christian point of view or they’re not, they can’t pick and choose freedom in certain media forms and not others. And this isn’t going to help their campaign to get an X rating in the states (of Australia), if they win here it’ll just set a precedent that high ratings should not be created.

2) The Australian Christian Lobby are liars. Here:
“For example, due to loopholes in the guidelines, real sex is sometimes being shown in R-rated films.”
WRONG. A loophole is an unintentional way for someone to do something that is very close to being against the rules, and is against the spirit of the rules. But this is intentional, in fact it’s one of the main 2 things the R rating is for. Pornography is SUPPOSED to be given an R rating in Australia, with the X rating being given to EXTREME pornography, such as videos of people urinating on each other, or violent sex.

3) Micheal Atkinson may be an immoral, stupid man, but at least MY attorney general is sane:
“It seems inconsistent that in Australia adults are allowed to view adults only films which have been classified R18+ by the classification board but not computer games with an equivalent high level content,” Mr Hulls said in a statement.”
Damn straight. They are breaking their own guidelines: Adults should be able to see, hear, and read what they want.

4) Why the hell does the ACL get consulted on this anyway? This came up in a class today at my Uni, and it really bugged me. Why do they get more say than me? Does liking a novel about some people that might have existed thousands of years ago make you more moral? I believe I have a stronger moral conscience than either of the 2 religious (Christian) friends I have. My point is not that religion makes you less moral, the point is that I don’t see why it’s related. Isn’t it discrimination for the Government to consult Christians but not specifically consult Athiests? And Jews? And Muslims? And everyone else??? Anyway, though, if they’re going to consult with the community in general, and do it properly, this is a good move. The ACL shouldn’t get any more say in than anybody else – I’ve got my own beliefs as well, they’re just not Christian ones. So this is a good move *if* they do it properly and *if* it’s not just lip service. Let’s hope so.

The point? That these groups shouldn’t be paid any more attention to than anyone else, and that the idea of consulting other people – everyday people – is a good one, *compared to what they’re doing now*, and I hope it actually has some effect on something. But I doubt it will. If anything Australia’s going backwards with all this religious rubbish – Censor my Internet? No thanks.