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		<title>By: Al King</title>
		<link>http://www.kotaku.com.au/2008/07/watch_how_misinformed_australia_is_about_video_games/comment-page-3/#comment-10510</link>
		<dc:creator>Al King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 11:16:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Alex, I believe the &#039;avatar rape&#039; Joyce was referring to occurred in Second Life, as made possible by user-created animations/accessories etc. Otherwise you&#039;ve hit the nail on the head. It is not sensible to extrapolate from that despicable instance of antisocial behaviour in an MMO to the conclusion that a board intended to classify media is given the power of censorship of material potentially appropriate for adults as a result of a poorly defined classification system. If this debate is to be reduced to stupid jingoism, as is apparent from the video, we should at least &quot;call a spade a spade&quot;. Ill informed moral outrage and daft appeals to motherly experience do not justify the utterly broken rating system which we currently endure.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex, I believe the &#8216;avatar rape&#8217; Joyce was referring to occurred in Second Life, as made possible by user-created animations/accessories etc. Otherwise you&#8217;ve hit the nail on the head. It is not sensible to extrapolate from that despicable instance of antisocial behaviour in an MMO to the conclusion that a board intended to classify media is given the power of censorship of material potentially appropriate for adults as a result of a poorly defined classification system. If this debate is to be reduced to stupid jingoism, as is apparent from the video, we should at least &#8220;call a spade a spade&#8221;. Ill informed moral outrage and daft appeals to motherly experience do not justify the utterly broken rating system which we currently endure.</p>
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		<title>By: KAL'EL</title>
		<link>http://www.kotaku.com.au/2008/07/watch_how_misinformed_australia_is_about_video_games/comment-page-3/#comment-10509</link>
		<dc:creator>KAL'EL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 01:25:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;How idiotic can our politican&#039;s be, it&#039;s the parent&#039;s reponsibility to monitor what there kid&#039;s play but until there children are at the age to get a job they are the one&#039;s that buy them the game&#039;s so if a child under the indicated age get&#039;s a MA15+ or R18+ game shouldn&#039;t the parent&#039;s and the shop clerk be to blame for selling to and/or buying it for them. Until people stop trying to blame someone else for there own mistake&#039;s the gaming community might aswell just bend over &amp; take a deep breath since it&#039;s probably going to be awhile till we get a R18+ rating&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How idiotic can our politican&#8217;s be, it&#8217;s the parent&#8217;s reponsibility to monitor what there kid&#8217;s play but until there children are at the age to get a job they are the one&#8217;s that buy them the game&#8217;s so if a child under the indicated age get&#8217;s a MA15+ or R18+ game shouldn&#8217;t the parent&#8217;s and the shop clerk be to blame for selling to and/or buying it for them. Until people stop trying to blame someone else for there own mistake&#8217;s the gaming community might aswell just bend over &#038; take a deep breath since it&#8217;s probably going to be awhile till we get a R18+ rating</p>
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		<title>By: Stumpy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stumpy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:37:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Funny as hell that we can have 13 year old girls posing nude for photographers IRL and galleries are quite happy to show it (and even seeking this stuff out) but can you imagine if a character in a game had that option?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Instaban.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The whole place is a stinking mess with its double standards and over regulation. And yet nothing seems to actually get done! I&#039;m off to england.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny as hell that we can have 13 year old girls posing nude for photographers IRL and galleries are quite happy to show it (and even seeking this stuff out) but can you imagine if a character in a game had that option?</p>
<p>Instaban.</p>
<p>The whole place is a stinking mess with its double standards and over regulation. And yet nothing seems to actually get done! I&#8217;m off to england.</p>
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		<title>By: ByteMeHarder</title>
		<link>http://www.kotaku.com.au/2008/07/watch_how_misinformed_australia_is_about_video_games/comment-page-3/#comment-10507</link>
		<dc:creator>ByteMeHarder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:02:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Now that all the major consoles have &quot;family settings&quot; can someone please explain to drop-kick parents how they can stop their kids playing content (games/DVD&#039;s/downloaded content etc) they do not think is appropriate?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Please?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Pretty please?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now that all the major consoles have &#8220;family settings&#8221; can someone please explain to drop-kick parents how they can stop their kids playing content (games/DVD&#8217;s/downloaded content etc) they do not think is appropriate?</p>
<p>Please?</p>
<p>Pretty please?</p>
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		<title>By: Tony abbot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony abbot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 05:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Where is the video games industry on this issue (and I dont mean game &quot;journalists&quot; aka kids that live in mums basement)? Why are they not speaking out on this issue? Surely Australia is turning some sort of profit for them to lobby the required government officials.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where is the video games industry on this issue (and I dont mean game &#8220;journalists&#8221; aka kids that live in mums basement)? Why are they not speaking out on this issue? Surely Australia is turning some sort of profit for them to lobby the required government officials.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 07:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I wonder if any of these people have ever read the report by the OFLC called &#039;Computer Games and Australians Today&#039;. It was released in 1999 but society hasn&#039;t changed much at all in 9 years. I suggest you all go read it; despite being 912 pages long you can still churn out some laughs comparing the report to their preposterous arguments.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if any of these people have ever read the report by the OFLC called &#8216;Computer Games and Australians Today&#8217;. It was released in 1999 but society hasn&#8217;t changed much at all in 9 years. I suggest you all go read it; despite being 912 pages long you can still churn out some laughs comparing the report to their preposterous arguments.</p>
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		<title>By: Sirk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 05:37:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Watching that was like watching a train wreck in slow motion. I&#039;m glad I missed the show when it was live otherwise I would have annoyed the neighbours with my shouting at the television. We won&#039;t get any serious progress on this issue until we get representatives who have some knowledge about it and I sadly don&#039;t think that&#039;s going to happen any time soon.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Watching that was like watching a train wreck in slow motion. I&#8217;m glad I missed the show when it was live otherwise I would have annoyed the neighbours with my shouting at the television. We won&#8217;t get any serious progress on this issue until we get representatives who have some knowledge about it and I sadly don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s going to happen any time soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Funky J</title>
		<link>http://www.kotaku.com.au/2008/07/watch_how_misinformed_australia_is_about_video_games/comment-page-3/#comment-10503</link>
		<dc:creator>Funky J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 02:32:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I urge all Australian Gamers to complain to the ABC about this.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.abc.net.au/contact/complain.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.abc.net.au/contact/complain.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If you want to contact the people on the show individually, here’s how:&lt;br /&gt;
Nick Zenophon is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.aph.gov.au/SEnate/senators/homepages/contact.asp?id=8IV&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.aph.gov.au/SEnate/senators/homepages/contact.asp?id=8IV&lt;/a&gt; or nickx@xen.net.au&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Barnaby Joyce is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.barnabyjoyce.com.au/Contact.asp&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.barnabyjoyce.com.au/Contact.asp&lt;/a&gt; or senator.joyce@aph.gov.au&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Mark Arbib is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.alp.org.au/people/email/arbib_mark.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.alp.org.au/people/email/arbib_mark.php&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Although Ms Redout&#039;s association doesn&#039;t have appear to have a general email, there&#039;s numerous emails on her associations website - kaym@aigroup.asn.au; stephanie.vlandys@aigroup.asn.au; sgordon@aigroup.asn.au; craigr@aigroup.asn.au; jillm@aigroup.asn.au.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Christine Jackman is a little hard to track down, even though she is a journalist. Try jacksonc@theaustralian.com.au or simply letters@theaustralian.com.au. However, like all “good” journalists, she does have a facebook account…&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Also, I suggest you also write to Tom Crago (tomcrago@tantlus.com.au or possibly tomcrago@gdaa.com.au) and demand that he step up and defend Game Developers of Australia from this type of ignorance and slander.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I urge all Australian Gamers to complain to the ABC about this.<br />
<a href="http://www.abc.net.au/contact/complain.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.abc.net.au/contact/complain.htm</a></p>
<p>If you want to contact the people on the show individually, here’s how:<br />
Nick Zenophon is <a href="http://www.aph.gov.au/SEnate/senators/homepages/contact.asp?id=8IV" rel="nofollow">http://www.aph.gov.au/SEnate/senators/homepages/contact.asp?id=8IV</a> or <a href="mailto:nickx@xen.net.au">nickx@xen.net.au</a></p>
<p>Barnaby Joyce is <a href="http://www.barnabyjoyce.com.au/Contact.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.barnabyjoyce.com.au/Contact.asp</a> or <a href="mailto:senator.joyce@aph.gov.au">senator.joyce@aph.gov.au</a></p>
<p>Mark Arbib is <a href="http://www.alp.org.au/people/email/arbib_mark.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.alp.org.au/people/email/arbib_mark.php</a></p>
<p>Although Ms Redout&#8217;s association doesn&#8217;t have appear to have a general email, there&#8217;s numerous emails on her associations website &#8211; <a href="mailto:kaym@aigroup.asn.au">kaym@aigroup.asn.au</a>; <a href="mailto:stephanie.vlandys@aigroup.asn.au">stephanie.vlandys@aigroup.asn.au</a>; <a href="mailto:sgordon@aigroup.asn.au">sgordon@aigroup.asn.au</a>; <a href="mailto:craigr@aigroup.asn.au">craigr@aigroup.asn.au</a>; <a href="mailto:jillm@aigroup.asn.au">jillm@aigroup.asn.au</a>.</p>
<p>Christine Jackman is a little hard to track down, even though she is a journalist. Try <a href="mailto:jacksonc@theaustralian.com.au">jacksonc@theaustralian.com.au</a> or simply <a href="mailto:letters@theaustralian.com.au">letters@theaustralian.com.au</a>. However, like all “good” journalists, she does have a facebook account…</p>
<p>Also, I suggest you also write to Tom Crago (tomcrago@tantlus.com.au or possibly <a href="mailto:tomcrago@gdaa.com.au">tomcrago@gdaa.com.au</a>) and demand that he step up and defend Game Developers of Australia from this type of ignorance and slander.</p>
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		<title>By: Snam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Snam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 00:32:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;For what it&#039;s worth, he&#039;s my fairly long e-mail to them:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
After watching an excerpt of the program that aired last Thursday (24/07/08) that covered the questions regarding video game classification and censorship I was shocked to discover both a considerable degree of ignorance to the area from both panelists and the host, Tony Jones, and a reluctance, excluding panelists Mark Arbib and Christine Jackman, to admit to being unfamiliar with the issue. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The most glaring inaccuracy was Tony Jones&#039; statement that there is not a rating system on video games, further suggesting that any individual of any age can purchase any video game that has been approved for sale. This is incorrect (see &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.classification.gov.au/special.html?n=271&amp;p=190)&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.classification.gov.au/special.html?n=271&amp;p=190)&lt;/a&gt; and any video game that posses a certain level of violence (typically either showing blood or the like) cannot be sold to anyone under the age of 15. Instances in which young children are in possession of such games are typically a case of parents not aware of the classification system (as Tony Jones himself showed is certainly prevalent) or poor policing of retail guidelines. Those against video game censorship are largely in favour of solutions including better classification education for parents or stricter retail guidelines.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The discussion of Fallout 3 also seemed skewed towards discussing the violence within the game and the dangerous potential of that, however the reasoning behind refusing classification for the game did not mention violence at all, but rather due to the appearance of morphine in the game&#039;s publicity stills. While I in no way condone the use of drugs, its appearance in various media as a story-driving element is important as seen in works within other media (such as the book/film Trainspotting or the film &quot;Requiem for a Dream&quot;. Those involved in the discussion also used the term &#039;ban&#039; or &#039;banned&#039; frequently but this, too, was erroneous, as the title has been technically been &#039;refused classification&#039;. While this may appear to be splitting hairs, the difference is that &#039;banned&#039; suggests action of an active classification board while refusal to classify is indicative of the fact that the incompleteness of our rating system results in censorship as default.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Many statements made by panelists seemed obtuse or irrelevant such as Barnaby Joyce&#039;s mentions  &#039;avatar rape&#039;, though such a title would likely be illegal with or without an R18+ classification nor does his vague description suggest such a title exists; it appears as though he is assumptive that a game like that must exist. Heath Ridout states &quot;Grant Theft Auto seemed to turn everyone in to a car thief&quot; and &quot;violent games breeds violence&quot; as though it was accepted fact (http://www.pbs.org/kcts/videogamerevolution/impact/myths.html is an excellent and well researched source to discount some of these beliefs). Ridout goes on to suggest that those over 18 will obtain the games anyway, which would require either importing (illegal due to customs law) or through illegal downloading. Is Ms Ridout suggesting that breaking the law is the best solution to this incomplete classification system?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;An R18+ classification for video games is present in nearly all developed countries, excluding Australia. The issue is not about making games more accessible to minors but by giving video games the same classification used by other media. I concede that the question on your program was poorly asked and the asker unfortunately accepted Tony Jones&#039; loaded description of the title involved, however the responses clearly highlighted the misinformation over the issue both with politicians and the media.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I can only hope that this is an issue that might receive more thorough research and investigation in the future.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Yours,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Alex Collie&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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After watching an excerpt of the program that aired last Thursday (24/07/08) that covered the questions regarding video game classification and censorship I was shocked to discover both a considerable degree of ignorance to the area from both panelists and the host, Tony Jones, and a reluctance, excluding panelists Mark Arbib and Christine Jackman, to admit to being unfamiliar with the issue. </p>
<p>The most glaring inaccuracy was Tony Jones&#8217; statement that there is not a rating system on video games, further suggesting that any individual of any age can purchase any video game that has been approved for sale. This is incorrect (see <a href="http://www.classification.gov.au/special.html?n=271&#038;p=190)" rel="nofollow">http://www.classification.gov.au/special.html?n=271&#038;p=190)</a> and any video game that posses a certain level of violence (typically either showing blood or the like) cannot be sold to anyone under the age of 15. Instances in which young children are in possession of such games are typically a case of parents not aware of the classification system (as Tony Jones himself showed is certainly prevalent) or poor policing of retail guidelines. Those against video game censorship are largely in favour of solutions including better classification education for parents or stricter retail guidelines.</p>
<p>The discussion of Fallout 3 also seemed skewed towards discussing the violence within the game and the dangerous potential of that, however the reasoning behind refusing classification for the game did not mention violence at all, but rather due to the appearance of morphine in the game&#8217;s publicity stills. While I in no way condone the use of drugs, its appearance in various media as a story-driving element is important as seen in works within other media (such as the book/film Trainspotting or the film &#8220;Requiem for a Dream&#8221;. Those involved in the discussion also used the term &#8216;ban&#8217; or &#8216;banned&#8217; frequently but this, too, was erroneous, as the title has been technically been &#8216;refused classification&#8217;. While this may appear to be splitting hairs, the difference is that &#8216;banned&#8217; suggests action of an active classification board while refusal to classify is indicative of the fact that the incompleteness of our rating system results in censorship as default.</p>
<p>Many statements made by panelists seemed obtuse or irrelevant such as Barnaby Joyce&#8217;s mentions  &#8216;avatar rape&#8217;, though such a title would likely be illegal with or without an R18+ classification nor does his vague description suggest such a title exists; it appears as though he is assumptive that a game like that must exist. Heath Ridout states &#8220;Grant Theft Auto seemed to turn everyone in to a car thief&#8221; and &#8220;violent games breeds violence&#8221; as though it was accepted fact (<a href="http://www.pbs.org/kcts/videogamerevolution/impact/myths.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.pbs.org/kcts/videogamerevolution/impact/myths.html</a> is an excellent and well researched source to discount some of these beliefs). Ridout goes on to suggest that those over 18 will obtain the games anyway, which would require either importing (illegal due to customs law) or through illegal downloading. Is Ms Ridout suggesting that breaking the law is the best solution to this incomplete classification system?</p>
<p>An R18+ classification for video games is present in nearly all developed countries, excluding Australia. The issue is not about making games more accessible to minors but by giving video games the same classification used by other media. I concede that the question on your program was poorly asked and the asker unfortunately accepted Tony Jones&#8217; loaded description of the title involved, however the responses clearly highlighted the misinformation over the issue both with politicians and the media.</p>
<p>I can only hope that this is an issue that might receive more thorough research and investigation in the future.</p>
<p>Yours,</p>
<p>Alex Collie</p>
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		<title>By: Amy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 23:40:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Oh well Seamus, wishing for change sure is doing heaps! At least the topic is being discussed more now. Why don&#039;t you step up and be an above par representative instead of just criticising from the sidelines?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh well Seamus, wishing for change sure is doing heaps! At least the topic is being discussed more now. Why don&#8217;t you step up and be an above par representative instead of just criticising from the sidelines?</p>
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