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	<title>Comments on: Australian Classification Board Speaks On Games, R18+ &amp; Fallout 3</title>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 14:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I&#039;ve always been concerned about the whole R-rating for video games, but now I am a father its even more concerning. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Compare it to movies the likes of Saw, Hostel and even old classics like Caligula. Movies have had an R-rating for longer than I&#039;ve been alive. As video games never had a rating in the good old days - and with family friendly content like Donkey Kong and Galaga, there was no need for one.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;When the rating system was introduced, again - there were only a handful of titles worthy of an R-rating (Mortal Kombat?). Now that one wasn&#039;t introduced back then, we&#039;re being punished now. While its out, its easier to leave the system as it is than to add in something new.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I say bring in an R-rating for games, stop pretending they&#039;re childrens toys. Enforce their sale like alcohol, cigarettes and adult books/movies/toys. Games like Jericho and Condemned made it into the country under an MA15 rating when they most certainly deserve an R-rating - but because they weren&#039;t as popular as the other titles, they slid under the radar. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Given we&#039;re the only country in the world that doesn&#039;t have an adult rating on video games, our classification board needs to wake up, though I seriously doubt their competency anyway. Two recent examples - Star Wars has always been marketed as a childrens movie, yet in the (relatively) recent Episode 3 we see numerous dismemberments, decapitations, electrocution out a building window, and children being shot and killed - yet this not only fits into an M-rating, but is advertised during cartoons and as part of kids meals at fast food places.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;On the subject of kids meals, lets look at the Dark Knight. Love the disappearing act Heath, where *did* that pen go? With a body count in that film of over 30, mostly police and innocent people, how does that fit into an M-rating suitable for advertising during childrens programs? They even go out of the way to say the main character in the film is not a hero.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;$110,000 for importing a game suitable for humans in every other country in the world. Thats your standard persons wage for 3 years. Importing with the intent for the sale/distribution to minors is one thing, but to play a game that the rest of the world views as being suitable for adults is utterly ridiculous.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I feel that our incompetent classification board is making decisions as though we&#039;re in a dictatorship. Why are Australians in need of such protection and shielding from the harm of the rest of the world, when our founding country does not.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always been concerned about the whole R-rating for video games, but now I am a father its even more concerning. </p>
<p>Compare it to movies the likes of Saw, Hostel and even old classics like Caligula. Movies have had an R-rating for longer than I&#8217;ve been alive. As video games never had a rating in the good old days &#8211; and with family friendly content like Donkey Kong and Galaga, there was no need for one.</p>
<p>When the rating system was introduced, again &#8211; there were only a handful of titles worthy of an R-rating (Mortal Kombat?). Now that one wasn&#8217;t introduced back then, we&#8217;re being punished now. While its out, its easier to leave the system as it is than to add in something new.</p>
<p>I say bring in an R-rating for games, stop pretending they&#8217;re childrens toys. Enforce their sale like alcohol, cigarettes and adult books/movies/toys. Games like Jericho and Condemned made it into the country under an MA15 rating when they most certainly deserve an R-rating &#8211; but because they weren&#8217;t as popular as the other titles, they slid under the radar. </p>
<p>Given we&#8217;re the only country in the world that doesn&#8217;t have an adult rating on video games, our classification board needs to wake up, though I seriously doubt their competency anyway. Two recent examples &#8211; Star Wars has always been marketed as a childrens movie, yet in the (relatively) recent Episode 3 we see numerous dismemberments, decapitations, electrocution out a building window, and children being shot and killed &#8211; yet this not only fits into an M-rating, but is advertised during cartoons and as part of kids meals at fast food places.</p>
<p>On the subject of kids meals, lets look at the Dark Knight. Love the disappearing act Heath, where *did* that pen go? With a body count in that film of over 30, mostly police and innocent people, how does that fit into an M-rating suitable for advertising during childrens programs? They even go out of the way to say the main character in the film is not a hero.</p>
<p>$110,000 for importing a game suitable for humans in every other country in the world. Thats your standard persons wage for 3 years. Importing with the intent for the sale/distribution to minors is one thing, but to play a game that the rest of the world views as being suitable for adults is utterly ridiculous.</p>
<p>I feel that our incompetent classification board is making decisions as though we&#8217;re in a dictatorship. Why are Australians in need of such protection and shielding from the harm of the rest of the world, when our founding country does not.</p>
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		<title>By: Red T-Rex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Red T-Rex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 01:27:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It&#039;s good to get some info on how their decisions are made. It shows there is less randomness to it than most would have suspected. I think most people probably agree with how they make the decision on what is MA and what is RC, it&#039;s more the fact that the RC category is not R18+ which annoys people.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;@petey - It takes some specific skill and effort to play games and progress to various points to see all aspects of a game whereas it takes no particular skill to watch a film so they would watch it all.  &lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s good to get some info on how their decisions are made. It shows there is less randomness to it than most would have suspected. I think most people probably agree with how they make the decision on what is MA and what is RC, it&#8217;s more the fact that the RC category is not R18+ which annoys people.</p>
<p>@petey &#8211; It takes some specific skill and effort to play games and progress to various points to see all aspects of a game whereas it takes no particular skill to watch a film so they would watch it all.  </p>
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		<title>By: con</title>
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		<dc:creator>con</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 09:50:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The definition of objectionable material includes computer games that are unsuitable for a minor to see or play.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;What if you are over 18+ then surely you cant be considered a minor?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The definition of objectionable material includes computer games that are unsuitable for a minor to see or play.</p>
<p>What if you are over 18+ then surely you cant be considered a minor?</p>
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		<title>By: Trent Kusters</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trent Kusters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 23:44:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;Board members do not usually play a game to in order to make a classification. Applicants submit recordings of game play at each level of complexity to assist the Board. The Board may also request a demonstration of the computer game by the applicant to ensure they experience all aspects of game play and can assess all elements.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So at the end of the day, they review games in the same way they do film. In fact, I imagine they would watch a film in its entirety. How ignorant this board is, to be honest, is an utter disgrace to our nation.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I also fully support any quest for an R18+ rating.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Board members do not usually play a game to in order to make a classification. Applicants submit recordings of game play at each level of complexity to assist the Board. The Board may also request a demonstration of the computer game by the applicant to ensure they experience all aspects of game play and can assess all elements.&#8221;</p>
<p>So at the end of the day, they review games in the same way they do film. In fact, I imagine they would watch a film in its entirety. How ignorant this board is, to be honest, is an utter disgrace to our nation.</p>
<p>I also fully support any quest for an R18+ rating.</p>
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		<title>By: mattyv</title>
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		<dc:creator>mattyv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 22:19:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Bear in mind the only person blocking the introduction of the R18+ to include &quot;computer and video games&quot; is the South Australian AG.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bear in mind the only person blocking the introduction of the R18+ to include &#8220;computer and video games&#8221; is the South Australian AG.</p>
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		<title>By: petey</title>
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		<dc:creator>petey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 14:29:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I wonder if they watch an entire movie to determine its rating, or just a highlight reel of its questionable material.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if they watch an entire movie to determine its rating, or just a highlight reel of its questionable material.</p>
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		<title>By: Chyne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chyne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 08:42:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;If i ever get a life ending disease like Cancer (They way i am going, chances looking good)I will be saying no to Chemotherapy and will be taken it on myself to rid certain people from the Human Gene pool before my Time with the pearly gates comes.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If i ever get a life ending disease like Cancer (They way i am going, chances looking good)I will be saying no to Chemotherapy and will be taken it on myself to rid certain people from the Human Gene pool before my Time with the pearly gates comes.</p>
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		<title>By: Carnage</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carnage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 08:20:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I fully support Kotaku on this issue and i hope you guys do take this further. I did some research in 2006 on violence in vidoegames. I asked university vidoegame students their thoughts about Australia not having an R18+ rating for videogames. I think this is a huge issue for both Australian gamers as well as the videogame industry in Australia. Keep up the good work guys.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I fully support Kotaku on this issue and i hope you guys do take this further. I did some research in 2006 on violence in vidoegames. I asked university vidoegame students their thoughts about Australia not having an R18+ rating for videogames. I think this is a huge issue for both Australian gamers as well as the videogame industry in Australia. Keep up the good work guys.</p>
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		<title>By: Grumpybum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grumpybum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 08:16:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Keep pushing them Logan! You&#039;re doing a great job. Maybe when you start working for Tantalus you can push a bit harder.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keep pushing them Logan! You&#8217;re doing a great job. Maybe when you start working for Tantalus you can push a bit harder.</p>
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		<title>By: Murcho</title>
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		<dc:creator>Murcho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 07:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Looks like I&#039;ve been technically breaking the law.  I work in retail, and I ALWAYS ask for ID or parents permission for MA15+ games.&lt;br /&gt;
I was of the understanding that getting permission from the guardian was fine, but looks like thats only fine in QLD.&lt;br /&gt;
Oh well, not like anyone enforces the law on these things.  Drives me crazy that they don&#039;t.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like I&#8217;ve been technically breaking the law.  I work in retail, and I ALWAYS ask for ID or parents permission for MA15+ games.<br />
I was of the understanding that getting permission from the guardian was fine, but looks like thats only fine in QLD.<br />
Oh well, not like anyone enforces the law on these things.  Drives me crazy that they don&#8217;t.</p>
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