On Tuesday, South Australian Attorney-General Michael Atkinson wrote to the Adelaide Advertiser about proposed changes to our classification system. Yesterday, a Kotaku reader responded to Atkinson’s letter. And today? Atkinson has written to Kotaku to respond again… and deliver a challenge to Kotaku readers.



















Rowr
Thursday, March 12, 2009 at 10:37 PMHow juvenile.
I’ve given up on this, there’s no educating some people, it just cant be done.
Thankyou Mr. Atkinson for being a shining example of how the human species can be so stubborn and fearful against change, destroying any chance to make things better in the future.
No doubt the people hassling you have realised this to some extent, and realise that you not being in the equation is the only way to move ahead.
I know i have, and it frustrates me to no end that you hold the power over my freedoms as an adult, and theres nothing i can do about it except take pity on you.
Rygaar
Thursday, March 12, 2009 at 10:47 PMAtkinson – how smug you are in your current position, the number of times you have been elected, the name of your dog – what do these things have to do with the matter at hand? While you issue absurd challenges and pat yourself on the back the facts remain. You stalling informed debate on the issue. Wake up and let the debate happen.
Rory Betteridge
Friday, March 13, 2009 at 2:01 AMMr. Atkinson,
I can’t help but notice that in your challenge to the readers of Kotaku.com to stand for the Parliamentary seat of Croydon, you’ve refused to acknowledge the arguments set forth by Mr. Terry O’Shanassy, an 57-year-old gamer. A person, by your beliefs, that shouldn’t exist. Perhaps that is the very reason you’ve ignored his comments; perhaps you believe him to be a figment of your imagination? Whatever the case, you have chosen instead to tread the less-honorable road, demonizing the hot-headed, predominately under-20 internet community with a vague challenge.
You’ve also chosen to ignore the opinions of those in the academic field, such as Christian McCrea, a lecturer at Swinburne University, an institution that prides itself on one of the best pathways into a career in video games.
You’ve even carried this open rejection of any external opinion right onto Standing Committees of Attorneys-General, where you repeatedly ignore studies, reports and documents provided by your Victorian and other state counterparts, simply refusing to discuss the matter. If that weren’t enough of an insult to the South Australians you supposedly represent, you have taken to rejecting plans to publish the consultation results.
Your ultimatum reminds me of a similarly desperate attempt to face down the gaming community; in 2005, Florida attorney Jack Thompson sent an open letter to the Entertainment Software Association, entitled ‘A Modest Video Game Proposal’. In it he proposed that if someone could create, manufacture, distribute and sell a video game that allowed players to hunt and kill video game developers, he would personally donate $10 000 to a charity of a prominent video games figure’s choosing. When his challenge was met by “Defamation of Character: A Jack Thompson Murder Simulator”, Thompson promptly withdrew his challenge, claiming it was made in satire. Four years on finds Jack Thompson disbarred in the state of Florida, his reputation in tatters.
Like you, he was respected in the field of law. Like you, he is a staunch Catholic. Like you, he underestimated the backing of a pro-video-games movement, antagonizing it at every turn. While I’m not claiming a member of the gaming community will take your seat of Croydon, don’t make the assumption that the realm of politics is unreachable for gamers. As I understand it, a number of members of the current House of Representatives hold pro-gaming stances, even members of the Labor party.
I respect your work as a member of Parliament, and approve of your continued efforts to keep in touch with members of your community. Indeed, not so many MPs will readily subject themselves to members of their own seat as you do. I can only offer a fair warning that such a antagonizing challenge will only work against your image in the long run. The average gamer has matured and no longer needs babying by Parliament.
-Rory Betteridge, 22, a second-year student at Swinburne University of Technology, undertaking a Bachelor of Arts in Games and Interactivity.
Bryce
Friday, March 13, 2009 at 4:21 AMFellow readers
I just sent a Story Tip to the courier mail’s editor, stating the basics of this situation, and providing a couple of links to evidence.
Heres hoping they choose it for a story!
BrendanT
Friday, March 13, 2009 at 6:34 AMHe’s actually right about one thing, the issue is a fairly minor one in the grand scheme of things, and some of you are coming on way to strongly and attacking his character.
That said, using his ‘credentials’ as a rebuke is pretty low. It’s not really a challenge so much as a taunt. The taunt is basically saying ‘nothing will change until the people who contribute greatest to the community give video games respect as a medium.’
Kashizzle
Friday, March 13, 2009 at 9:36 AMTldr version:
-I apparently read kotaku, but I actually don’t. Someone just tipped me off that my name was on website.
-I get murder threats, it must be from overly violent gamers! Ohno!
-I’m such a great guy, I have a cute dog
-if to think you’re better than me, then you should totally try to take my job from me!
No rebuttal, no cold hard proof, geez, not even any religious reasonings! Well done mr. Atkinson, you are a polititian. Now drop the act. Kotaku wants to hear your rebuttal, not that name and breed of your fqimly pet.
Retro
Friday, March 13, 2009 at 10:58 AMDeath threats are childish, but so is his bloody-minded obstinance and unwillingness to listen and take part in a reasonable discussion. He is not merely accountable to the electorate of Croydon, he must realise that his position renders him accountable to the entire nation. His repetitive use of strawman arguments (eg. the Rapelay argument) also only serves to try and win cheap points rather than making a meaningful contribution to the discussion.
I’d like to see him man up and take some responsibility. Being a politician does not mean that one can just ignore people and then disparage and insult them when they complain.
Fletch
Friday, March 13, 2009 at 11:30 AMSo basically, his response was to not respond whatsoever? lolz
MattR
Friday, March 13, 2009 at 12:22 PMAtkinson won’t ever respond to reasoned arguments. He pulls the old creationist trick of ignoring all evidence contrary to his position and making up or misrepresenting evidence to support his position.
Even his challenge misrepresents the facts. Attempting to beat him directly in the election would be a fool’s cause. The objective is actually to have him removed as AG (which, IMO, he is not actually very good at). I don’t know if Dr Cannon has dropped his civil action against Mr Atkinson yet (http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/03/06/2509721.htm); if that continues, it may well be a boon to gamers. And if Labor fails to win the next election, the problem of Atkinson disappears…
As frustrated as I get with Atkinson, childish antics (assuming they actually occurred) will benefit no-one but Atkinson. Since reason failed, I went for farce: http://intouchwiththeobvious.wordpress.com/2008/11/16/an-open-letter-to-michael-atkinson-mp/
I am still waiting for a reply.
Mark Lawson
Friday, March 13, 2009 at 12:38 PMHe’s received the most abuse for this than any other issue in his career. BAM, first hint that he clearly isn’t listening to what the PEOPLE want.
Also, i’m 24 and i’m been playing games since the very first NES came out. I’ve played many First-Person-Shooters, i have shot my far share of people. I’ve banged my fare share of hookers in grand theft auto, i’ve dealed my fare share of drugs to get money to buy extra guns. But do you know what, i have never done any of these things in real life. Do you know why…..Cause i was raised by my parents that taught me these things were wrong. And the fact i can do them in a video game and get away with it, doens’t make me think in the slightest that it’s ‘alright’ in the real world. Maybe you should be focusing more of your political behavior on family teachings rather than blaming video games.
Also think, if i’m a 14 kid and there is a game out there classified R18+ or there is a game that refused classification cause it’s apparently too intense for ‘me to play’ which one am i gonna wanna play more??? Your making the game sound more appealing to those KIDS by refusing it.
Fallout 3, which was initially refused classification cause it allowed the player to inject reallife drugs to enhance the characters abilities. But guess what, the game also depicted that you became addicted to these drugs and that it required you to either continually inject yourself or go seek Medical advice. and do you know what, becoming addicted cost you bottlecaps(game currency) and made you look for extra ‘drugs’ which became annoying as hell. So do you think this maybe would have taught these kids a better lesson. They could see first hand how bad drugs affect their life (even if it’s virtual). Rather than going through the game normally, they had to stop every so often to ‘satisfy’ their addiction, and that it would be easier to seek medical advice, not become addicted then continue the game without relying on them?
My opnion anyways
Bullet Magnet
Friday, March 13, 2009 at 1:17 PMTerry O’Shanassy for attorney general! whose with me
DONAR
Friday, March 13, 2009 at 1:35 PMMick, (I can call you ‘Mick’, seeing as we’re being so amicable, yes?)
Believe me when I say that the occasional alleged vandal is no more representative of the average adult gamer than a member of the KKK is of the average Christian.
Despite the fact that you wish to slander and defame the image of ‘gamers’ as naughty (older) children with no context or basis for your misguided belief, the vast majority of us simply wish to be treated as adults (that would be someone over the age of 18 years, as defined by law in Australia, not an ‘older child’ as you claim.)
I’m 36 years old, and a parent myself. I love my son dearly and take an active role in deciding what is and is not appropriate for him. Where I may enjoy a G, M, or even R rated movie, my son is only allowed G or PG material. He’s not allowed to smoke, drink alcohol or drive, whereas I am allowed to, should I choose.
Where my son and I are both restricted is in the choice to play R rated games. He cannot play them, because I forbid it. I can’t play them because YOU forbid it via bureaucratical stonewalling. You may claim to be saving the children, (and as a parent you should) but I am not your child, nor is he. As an adult I should have the legal right to access material unexpurgated and uncensored. Instituting an R rating for video games is not going to lead to the downfall of society, Mick. As it stands, the majority of games considered to have ‘adult content’ are already legally sold in Australia under the MA15+ banner! The R rating will not only sort the true ‘adult’ content from the games aimed at the 14-17 market, but it will make the distinction clearer for adults such as myself, not only when choosing my own entertainment, but when it comes to entertaining my child, be it a movie, television program OR video game. There are many R rated movies that I consider abhorrent, but I also have the choice not to see them, and won’t stop any adult from making a different choice to my own.
Furthermore, if you were truly that concerned with the lives of others you could weigh up the deaths as a result of alcohol abuse, road fatalities and smoking related cancer, all of which have one form of taxation revenue attached (GST, LCT, etc).
Yes, it’s a stupid comparison to make isn’t it? Saying we should outlaw cars, cigarettes and alcohol to save lives. It’s not practical, and people make informed decisions regarding these products daily….yet games have never killed anyone.
As a part of the Commonwealth, have you considered looking into the consequences of adult ratings in New Zealand or even the United Kingdom? I would assume not, but perhaps logic eludes you in this matter. I would suggest it was worth investigating.
I don’t think you’re the Machiavellian villain rubbing his hands with glee either, Mick. It’s much worse than that. You’re ignorant. And in a position of power.
mikezombie777
Friday, March 13, 2009 at 1:45 PMDear Mr. Atkinson
I challenge you to counter all points in favor of an R18+ classification in a professional, mature manner. Every time you respond to your critics you do so in a very condescending and sarcastic way whilst totally negating all points in favor of introducing the rating. Granted, people who call for you to be killed are obviously not helping the cause but they are more than likely a few silly teenagers who aren’t even of voting age. However, I know for a fact that there are a plethora of mature adult gamers out there who have written well thought out letters to you, detailing a number of points in favor of an R18+ classification only to be insulted and have their points ignored. So instead of cherry picking a few comments written by immature children and intentionally misrepresenting the issue to parliament, why don’t you instead look at it objectively and at least allow the discussion paper to be released so that democracy can take its course? Apart from being a fascist dictator, what other possible reason could you have for ‘banning’ merely discussion on the issue?
mikezombie777
Friday, March 13, 2009 at 2:04 PMLike Jack Thompson, Michael Atkinson seems to make a habit out of name calling and generally insulting anyone who doesn’t agree with him.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25150675-5006787,00.html
david perkins
Saturday, March 14, 2009 at 12:20 AMDear Mr Atkinson,
I want to say thanks. I’m 15 and if there was an 18 rating I wouldn’t get to play games like GTA4 that is rated 18 in the US and UK. Thanks to you I can have run over all the prostitutes i want 3 years earlier than my overseas classmates. I guess I should thank the developers too who by changing a few scenes (computer generated nudity and that) managed to get the game into your MA15 classification. prostitute bashing and violent gaming here i come!
When I’m old enough I’ll buy you a beer, unless there’s any chance you could do something about that classification?
Cheers Mate,
David
Glenn
Saturday, March 14, 2009 at 1:38 PMI think you’ll find guys that any agrument you make no matter how logical is going to fall on deaf ears. Even if Atkinson did suddenly wake up tomorrow with a few extra neurons connected that allowed him to make logical decisions I doubt he’d change his mind. In politics he’d been seen as weak to ‘cave in’ to ‘a whining minority’ and it just won’t happen.
I think Atkinson has let it be known EXACTLY what it will take to get the laws changed, childish or not. The only way to challenge him would be in a political arena not on the comments page of a gaming website.
Cypher
Saturday, March 14, 2009 at 3:48 PMWe should lodge an application form via the Freedom of Imformation Act to get our hands on the discussion paper.
Mr. Atkinson, you disgust me. By the way, I understand you wished to correspond when I originally wrote to you? Or was that just a ploy to get my details from me so you can put me on the “R18+ Nerd” list?
By the way, calling people “nerds” in any context, for an elected official, is a little bit rude don’t you think? You owe us more than that, you child. I hope people wake up and don’t allow you within 100 meters of Parliment next election. You don’t deserve the position of power that you continually abuse for your own selfish wants.
luc
Monday, March 16, 2009 at 3:41 PMI’m a Canadian, so I may not understand the intricacies of the Australian democratic process…but I find it extremely odd that if you disagree with an elected official, you are challenged to run for office so you can get the opportunity to debate said elected official. In my country, you can just debate elected officials if you disagree with them, and they will at least listen to you.
MattR
Monday, March 16, 2009 at 5:58 PM@luc,
The challenge from Atkinson is certainly out of the norm for the Australian democratic process as well. Having said that, Atkinson is steadfastly refusing to debate anyone at any time on the matter. He is stonewalling the release of the discussion paper, and has never answered any of the questions put to him in interviews — he simply responds with his prepared statement.
Likewise, his whole challenge is a farce; he is unlikely to be beaten in his electorate even by a representative from another major party — Croydon is regarded a very ‘safe’ seat, and Atkinson also has a lot of backing from his church, AFAIK.
A more likely scenario is that Labor could lose the next election (March next year), in which case Atkinson would be in opposition and therefore no longer a problem. Assuming the current Shadow Attorney-General retains the ministry, the problem would effectively disappear (as long as no AG from another state takes up the position of ‘Honorary Jack Thompson’).
Xx Johny Mac xX
Thursday, April 9, 2009 at 7:22 PMhe seems to be avoiding the issue
he is just ignoring Terry O’Shanassy’s letter. and instead of addressing Mr O’Shanassy’s letter, he is just boasting about his political career and about how great he thinks he is
ARG
Wednesday, September 30, 2009 at 7:40 PMI might not run against you in your safest of safe seat, but I will be sending financial support to one of your opponents in the next election , probably about the amount I would have spent on l4d2
The_Microphone
Saturday, November 7, 2009 at 8:31 PMTo all those who wish to support the campaign to elect a different member for Croydon and oust Mr Atkinson, you needn’t buy a house in the electorate and vote.
A new party has opened up called Gamers 4 Croydon
http://www.gamers4croydon.org/home
If you wish to contribute to having Michael replaced, show David Doe your support by sending a donation, of any shape or size, you alone needn’t have much impact, but the force of many can overturn even the most convinced.
Then again, if you actually live in Croydon, just vote!
Cam Anderson
Thursday, December 17, 2009 at 2:57 AMPlease join my Facebook group, targetted against Atkinson’s policies in the hope to get some attention or just to be a statistic against the man