PETA Targets Ringling Bros. Game

@kingofrain: ... You do know that high energy diets, which consist of meat, were not only required to help the human brain evolve, but to produce enough energy to make it function correctly, right?

That if it weren't for omega-3 fatty acids (arachidonic acid and docosahexaenoic acid)which can be found in fish to name one common source, you wouldn't be able to form your sickingly hypersensitive beliefs that there is no hierarchy of creatures on this planet that we're above.

I wish Darwinism hadn't completely faded away.

@namesRhard: So, are you saying that if an alien species, who were mentally superior to humans, came to Earth and took over and treated humans like most humans treat animals now, caged us, hunted us, milked us, placed our heads on mantels, made us do tricks in the circus, etc., that it would be right because they're smarter than us? Probably not, which is why I don't agree with that statement. And you're right, people will continue to eat animals, but do you not agree that it can be done without hurting them? I believe there should be more laws to prevent cruelty.

@Ashkihyena: How is it radical? They're just asking take-two to not support or help a company that does something that is so inhumane. God forbid someone writes a letter.

@kingofrain: It's true they live in inhumane conditions, but they're not human.
Humans used to hunt cattle, they were domesticated for our convenience, so it's either kill them one way or kill them another. Whether they're on a farm or not, chances are they would be killed and eaten.
It's fair enough if you don't agree, you're opinion is equally as valid, but I wouldn't equate our treatment of animals to our treatment of humans.

@Brian Crecente: Don't worry. I love the occasional Kotaku mobbing :D it's fun watching an editor going "this is bad!" and everyone following the stream :P

@MooglesInMyFace: Ah bawl. You meanie :( I'll cry myself to sleep now.

Vidunder

@kingofrain: Funny, you sure could've fooled me.

@Jimbotron: I've never really heard their argument on leashing animals, but if they oppose it, I feel they are wrong. That show is amazing and he shows the correct way to treat an animal. He in no way hurts them or treats them wrong, which is why they probably never said anything.

@Fernando Jorge:

PETA is the new jack thompson...some idiots looking for money riding and bending the moral line just to make profit.

PETA...what a joke, and the sad thing is that the only one getting hurt here are the animals, for having such a corrupt and ignorant organization "protecting" them.

ADM86

@Pezdispenser: I don't see how, I'm just showing the error of his ways through example. There's a difference between opinion and truth. TRUTH: I am not a PETA member.

@kingofrain: Only one group's intentions are good, and the others, while good, they go about it in the wrongest way possable as exampled in this article.

As for this not being radical, bullcrap, its a video game.

@MustyBuckets: That comparison was just to show that they are two groups standing up for something they believe in. I'm sure they both do corrupt things, but he didn't seem like the person that would dare say something bad about the troops, ever. And no, I can't explain why PETA would sue other animal shelters as I am not a member, nor do I follow their every move. I just know that not everything they do is bad. This was not one of their radical movements, yet a lot of people still jump on the hate wagon. I just wonder why so many people get so offended when someone stands up for animals or doesn't eat meat. Not you, but many of the other commentors in this thread.

@kingofrain: Sorry, I don't listen to PETA members.

@kingofrain:

You do realize that you just contradicted yourself, right? I'll give you a moment to think it over.

@Ashkihyena: How old are you? You seem to lack any argumentative skills. No one has to get "threw" to me. This is a common argument where people state their opinions back and forth. Also, if you keep insisting that I'm a member of PETA just because I share similar views, then I must insist that you are a member of the KKK due to the fact that your icon has a white-hooded figure on it.

@KenseiKitsune: ad hominem. If it is suspect then it should be investigated first, not immediately denied.

Fernando Jorge

@Kensukevic:
Can you name ONE developer that doesn't make games in order to get money?!

tekoman

@MustyBuckets: First off, I don't believe apples have brains or feelings, they are there to be eaten, same as grass for the cows. I believe that some animals are there to be eaten, but by other carnivorous animals. I don't believe humans were meant to eat meat, we had to adapt to it. Look at our teeth, all are flat but 4. We don't have sharp fangs that rip meat off a bone like a wolf, we have forks and knives to cut the meat, showing that, essentially, we found ways to eat the meat that are unnatural.

Second, I wasn't starting in on you. I don't condemn you for eating meat, that's your choice, the same as not eating meat is my choice. It's just the ways the animals are treated to get that meat is what makes me mad. It's the unnecessary ways animals are abused, as in the circus, or killed, as in hunting for sport, that I would condemn someone for.

And to think, I bought in to PETA's propaganda when I was 16. Oh well. You live, you learn.

Also, meat is murder. Tasty, tasty murder.

whitjm5

@notijkabob: woops that was supposed to be a reply to someone. And to clarify i'm no fan of PETA, they do too many dumb things. And where has PETA killed people at? Can you give me a credible source? thanks.

@jslizzle:

Being alive doesn't make something an animal...

KenseiKitsune

@kingofrain: You've got a point, but still, at least I WILL NEVER see an animal to be on the same level as a human. I'm all for not torturing animals, but when it comes to getting food from them, well, I'd rather have animals suffer for us to be healthy.

Also, bovine milk is far less disgusting to everyone and that's the way it's been for centuries, so too bad for you if you see it like that.

PETA just made me even more intolerant to this kind of thing, by the way.

Juan José Méndez Gallardo

@MustyBuckets: Fruit apparently doesn't apply to people who are PETA members, its no use, you're not going to get threw to him.

@ReaveT:

Gave me a good chuckle.

@Cururu:

I second this. Oh, the delicous evil of it all.

KenseiKitsune

As a student of Ringling College of Art and Design, I guess I have no choice but to stand up for them.

Plus, seriously, who HASNT wanted the chance to go mano y mano with a raging bull elephant, dressed in the most innapropriate clothing imaginable?

But the game will still suck, because they cut the "How many times can you shock rod the tiger before it bites your fucking face off?" minigame.

willy626

peta is fail. they make me ashamed to say i want to stop animal abuse. wtf peta.

@Ashkihyena: Why, because that sounds appalling and inhumane, right? Well, surprise! It happens every day, but to cows instead of humans. I wouldn't want it done to a human either. Humans have a language to speak against treatment like that, animals don't. Someone has to stand up for them. And not just PETA. Don't think that just because someone stands up for animals, that they work for PETA.

@kingofrain: Yep, I agree the idea of Human milk is pretty bad. But PETA suggested that, not as a joke, but as a serious alternative to bovine milk.

And, as for your statement on cruelty to cows, how about this:
Our treatment of plants is disgusting when you think about it. Apples, for instance, grow off their mother tree, and we rip them off with no regard to the tree's feelings. Sometimes when the Apples get too small we start hacking off limbs so the tree doesn't prouduce too many offspring. On these Apples, we sometimes eat them for food or chop them open, still alive, to rip out their seeds.

See what I did there? And before you start in on me, I know the difference between to the two, and I've seen slaughter houses, and I've made up my mind to still eat meat, and milk, and cheese, and Apples.

MustyBuckets

@Cururu: Trust me, I totally agree with you. :)

@Fernando Jorge:

I'm sorry, but the mere presence of PETA undermines their supposed goals. They don't -really- care about animals, as they say. Their track record about such things speaks for itself.

Frankly, if PETA says it, it -is- immediately suspect.

KenseiKitsune

I love PETA! I'm all for the People for Eating Tasty Animals movement.

Pizookie

@interim is known is aewyn in other circles: Nothing against Kotaku specifically since they're doing a fine job with news posting. I was just using this as an example of overall media reaction to such press releases. And Crecente's write up was quite well handled, even pointing out material that potentially defends the circus. It's more than most media outlets would do. And I guess I'm a bit of a hypocrite since I've commented a lot on this article :)

I just wish there was a way to point out the ridiculousness of groups such as PETA without giving them free advertising.

Cururu

@Southrncomfortjm: I haven't heard them scream in protest about the show the Dog Whisperer, where Cesar Milan treats a dog like a dog, and they behave wonderfully; even the ones that were problem animals.

He treats them with love and care, but let's them know they are just a follower and not equal to him. Completely opposite of what PETA wants people to do. I guess they don't say anything since he is very popular with celebrities with dogs, and want to keep their celebrities endorsers around.

Jimbotron

@Cururu: That actually sounds quite delectable. Evil just got tasty.

@kingofrain: And its post like that that makes me accuse you of being a PETA member.

God just shut up already PETA. Who else wants a burger?

@lolgreg: I think Indiana Jones tried it once when he was younger, but it didn't work out too well.

Cururu

PETA, the biggest load of hypocrites in the world.
Fund labs and rescues with extremely high kill rates...
Throw paint on the fur of an animal they so desperately love because someone is wearing it as a coat they paid to much for....
Bitch about the way food is made out of animals that are bread for only that FOOD, not cute and cuddliness.

And they only go after cute and fuzzy animals.... They could give a damn about anything with scales or gills.

When the end of the world comes I hope they are all left with all the animals of the world...... and they can see just how much those animals love them in return when they run out of food... or vice versa

Crypysmoker

@MustyBuckets: Human milk is just as disgusting as bovine milk when you think about it. It's just there are laws preventing someone from caging human women, raping them to impregnate them, then killing their babies for food and milking their breasts dry just to start all over again when they need more.

@interim is known is aewyn in other circles: yes, and then cover it in chocolate. Love those things. And dip it in milk too, since this is PETA related.

Cururu

@BryanH: OMG people, just because peta said doesn't mean it is stupid. How about some critical thinking instead of just ignoring the message just because of who's saying it.

Fernando Jorge

I am for sure going to buy this game now.

ez054098

@robinthakur: I see your point, and I do agree that they are radical most times, but the problem is that they're the only name that people will even take time to listen to, whether it's to make fun or agree. If I, myself, was the one that wrote that letter to take-two, I would most likely get linked to PETA eventually anyway.

@kingofrain: What does PETA have to do with our troops, first of all. Second, are you saying that 95% of the animals that PETA has in its shelters are either feral or incurable? How does PETA's numbers fall so far outside of other animal shelter's numbers then?

And before you lump me in with all the PETA haters out there, I will admit they have done some things that help animals. But not lately. Lately they have been suing other animal shelters. Care to explain that one?

MustyBuckets

@MustyBuckets: THIS!

@Ashkihyena: Who said anyone was a PETA member? I am a person for the ethical treatment of animals, though I am not involved in their company. I'm just trying to get a word in all this mess.

@kingofrain: I don't think people care about the crappy wii game, we just care that PETA is a big group of nut cases. Anyone who suggests Ben and Jerry's make ice cream with breast milk should not have people listening to them about anything else. Ever.

MustyBuckets

@kingofrain: Pft, I shouldn't be to surprised. Sorry, but you still fail, if she stuck to her word, she wouldn't use that medicine.

@Cururu: Perhaps, perhaps not. No need to condemn Kotaku or Crecente for pointing this out, though. I for one smile whenever I hear of PETA being stupid yet again.

@Ashkihyena: The incurable link was for your comment on curing the animals. As for that woman, the damage was done, so why let the torment be in vein? She has no choice but to take this medicine to survive. I'm sure she would kill an animal if it was attacking her and killing it was her only means of survival, as would I. The fact is, testing is still being done on animals even though there are other, more humane options.

Shut up, peta.

@kingofrain: Surprise surprise, the PETA members stick together.

yes, RB beats and abuses their animals because they've found broken, terrified and unhealthy beasts to hold up well for their shows.

Cellsong

@Kensukevic: Agreed. Well stated comment and one of the only ones that isn't threatening to eat KFC to get back at PETA. "Baaaaaaaaawwwwwwwww. You people are actually standing up for creatures other than yourselves and your fellow humans! Stand up for meeeeee!! Meeeeeeee!"

@interim is known is aewyn in other circles: True, but there has to be a limit. Remember all of the coverage of Jack Thompson? There has to come a time where news outlets realize that others are using them as a free advertising arm. Just look at this article. There's already over 2,000 page views and all PETA had to do is send out an email / fax. Can we wait till they do something that requires them to leave their office before we cover them next time?

Cururu

@robinthakur: Seriously. I support the so-called ethical treatment of animals, but rather than alienating people and making them hate me, I volunteer at a no-kill shelter.

It's also funny when jackass PETA members get angry when contradictions are pointed out in their highly flawed arguments. Especially when their involvement extends to throwing paint on fur coats and not, you know, actually helping animals.

terebi

@Cururu: I see what you're getting at. So basically, we should add Oreos to evil.

@Sir-Lucius: I got what they were saying, but that app was removed for a reason. Same as a rape simulator. It's just not right to make it. Now I know you won't actually be beating animals in the game, but this game is glorifying a company that does beat animals in real life. I, for one, won't support this game by buying it, nor did I ever have any interest in a circus simulator in the first place.

Alright, I've seen that episode of Bullshit! as well. It's not a brilliant idea to gather all of your knowledge on a subject from one episode of a television show.

Most of the animals PETA takes in - remember PETA is not and does not run an animal shelter or rescue - are beyond fucked up through sickness or abuse.

[blog.peta.org]

Not for the faint of heart. Also I have to say "Peta Files" is a horrible name, just say it out loud. Anyway, there you go.

Also - PETA targets ridiculous things because they target EVERYTHING that disagrees with their message. By taking an extreme position. You don't have to completely agree with them (I certainly don't, and I'm a vegetarian) to see they are simply stirring shit up to get their name out their and thus their message.

@interim is known is aewyn in other circles: Evil has been proven to have a minty flavor, so it may enhance the ice cream, depending on the other toppings.

Cururu

@pukellunkett: Wow. I totally screwed that up!!!!!

*No, I'm not talking about my fantasy with Luke Plunkett, you silly duck).

Eh, nobody will read my comment anyway...Nobody loves me!

:(

@kingofrain: Still doesn't matter, that makes her a hypocrite.

@Ashkihyena:
incurable

@kingofrain: Uhm, yeah shaking virtual babies would be better than shaking real babies. Sure, I could see how you could argue that they're both bad, but doing it to something not real is far better than doing it to something real. If someone seriously has the urge to harm an animal, and they can satiate that urge by simulating the action in a virtual environment, isn't that better than doing the real thing?

The obvious answer is to get therapy and not do it at all, but that's not always an option and in certain cases it doesn't work anyway.

Sir-Lucius

hmmmm being vegan and a nerd i'm not sure what offends me more, the circus in general, or the fact that anyone might even buy a circus based game.......

XyliaCypselus

@kingofrain: They get criticism because people see them as crazy fascists. by all means draw attention to a subject you feel passionately about, but the strong armed tactics and violence plus the emotional propoganda devalues their rather important basic message which is that animals should be ethically treated, NOT treated like humans in all but name. I wear fur, leather, own crocodile and lizard shoes and snakeskin belts, eat what I like, own a dog and I treat animals ethically, so PETA I might support you if you weren't bat-sh*t crazy.

robinthakur

@Ashkihyena: Oh, and they still are hypocrites as PETA's leader said that they're against testing on animals, but guess what, the medicine that she uses for his diabetes was, guess what, tested on animals.

@Kensukevic: #1: I'm sure the devlopers would care since they're putting their time into it, and #2: They'd care cause they'd lose money.

@kingofrain: They STILL won't stock those Soy Dogs for you, will they?

@kingofrain: And you know, they could heal them instead of putting them down? Sorry, you fail, please try again.

@Ashkihyena: Actually, a lot of them are vets, and guess what. They do kill animals. It's called putting them down. You know, when the animal is old or in incurable pain, or both, they don't want them to suffer. I'm sure they have euthanized feral animals also, that they didn't have room for. Now, there, they could have sent them to a no kill shelter. Either way, they are not killing these animals for sport (which is the worst) or food. They are done for humane and overpopulation reasons. But, if they killed them inhumanely, that'd be a different story, because then they'd just be hypocrites.

@Ashkihyena: I would follow AngryEddy, but he's just not angry enough for my tastes.

I think PETA's biggest weakness is this type of small issue attack. Most people look at this and go "are you kidding?" Maybe they could try to target something less trivial.

LeviAJones

@domhnall: If you're talking about the picture, those are geese, not ducks.

I would like to note that the clown is making what looks to be menacing gestures towards the geese. Also, there is a cock fight going on in the background (No, I'm not talking about my fantasy about Luke Plunkett and I you silly duck).

If you're not talking about the picture then never mind.

@kingofrain: Pansy!

@Cururu: So basically, anything anyone ever might believe is serving only someone else's purpose should be completely ignored? So... what, we ignore the war on terror and say to hell with taxes? :P I see what you are saying regarding PETA, but their methods of doing things does not mean that their actions should not be recognized and scorned.

I want to see some games where you beat animals with hammers. 10 points for a clean kill, 50 for a long and prolonged death. All the while the screen fills with blood and offal. Why? Just to piss off these PETA morons.

DrXym

I really hate PETA. They've made it so all the idiots of the world who rightfully hate them also hate the idea of animal rights as a whole. People hate PETA so much that when horrible cases of animal abuse come up like Michael Vick, nobody cares just to spite PETA. That is horrible and wrong.

I'm all for eating meat and having pets, but animal abuse is not acceptable. I wish there was an organization out there that was simply for the humane and ethical treatment of animals, not the terrorist extremist bullcrap that PETA is. You know, an organization made up of sane people who realize that it's OK to eat meat or wear fur/leather from humanely killed animals. Or that it's OK to have pets. They should be against the things that actually matter, like dog fighting or animal neglect.

Valnen

@masterdingo: I think that beats my kill rate on any shooter game I've ever played!

jk ;)

@Kensukevic: Well who would whip an unchained tiger? That's just silly. You'd at least want a chainsaw if they weren't chained.

lolgreg

@WatchAndWarrant: "Besides, wouldn't a CIRQUE DU SOLEIL game be a lot more fun?"

Only if it's a FPS...

dry-roasted-peanuts

@Ashkihyena: I'm just saying, this game is a 9 to 5, not a labor of love. Why does anyone care if this game gets shut down?

Kensukevic

@WatchAndWarrant: No, because Cirque Du Soleil would probably end up killing someone if it had Balance Board support.

I hope PETA never finds out about Legend of Zelda. I mean, you can shoot chickens with arrows! And you can totally enslave a horse and force it to carry you around into dangerous situations! Plus, in the last game, you get turned into a wolf and it's treated as a curse instead of a beautiful transformation from some parasitic entity that exists outside of nature (people) into a glorious part of the circle of life.

dry-roasted-peanuts

@Ashkihyena: Win.

Javert

@jslizzle:

Whoa, whoa whoa.... what?

You are saying that vegetables are a part of the animal kingdom? Seriously? You think that they are animals?

Do you know what animals are?

@Vidunder: Their news of PETAs stupidity is bad journalism considering this is a given fact.

As for targeting them...I think they do enough on their own to bring attention to themselves. PETA is evil.

Javert

@kingofrain: And by "work" you mean killing animals that they're supposed to rescue, as the OP said, they need to get real jobs.

@Devenu: Dang it Devenu, it is usually my fun for the day to talk about the hypocrisy of a group that murders the vast majority of animals given to their "care" yet cries in the virtual world.

I really wish all the brain dead celebs would get a clue and maybe support an animal shelter or something useful. PETA is pure evil and greed. Though I am in favor of People Eating Tasty Animals.

Javert

@Kensukevic: Your argument is much better than that PETA crap. Screw this game.

@LeticiaMonet: Would taking shaking babies virtual be a good thing? No, so why would it be any different here?

I find it kind of amusing that everyone gets so offended that some people are actually standing up for animals. True, PETA can be a extreme at times, but even when someone, like myself, states that they don't eat meat, people will try to top each other all day with their meat-eating jokes and call them a pansy. It's kind of like when you talk about someone being gay in front of a bunch of homophobes. They get all uneasy and uncomfortable, then start cracking gay jokes. Just something to think about.

@AngryEddy: That's cold, man. The Crescent Wrench deserves at least a half-eaten tin of Spam.

@interim is a username referencing an indefinite period of t...: I suppose I'm trying to answer to many questions at the same time and am not sounding clear. Basically, yes this is news in the sense that it is something that happened that can be reported on. Unfortunately, reporting on it plays right into PETA's agenda by providing free advertising for their cause. I'm sure Kotaku would much rather at least be paid to spread PETA's propaganda.

Also, I'm pretty sure at this point that the coffin is nailed so tight that Dracula would have a hard time escaping.

Cururu

@Brian Crecente: Actually, we were lying so this would hurt more - no ice cream for you.

The best we have are some stale saltines.

@TorenRocksRobots: Are you a chicken chaser, do you chase chickens? No, bitch I kick them in there ass!!!

jslizzle

@Ace Jon: I will find you and kill you, Ace Jon. :P

interim is known is aewyn in other circles

@TorenRocksRobots: PETA people must fart a lot, if they don't eat meat/ animals. But last time I checked vegetables/ plants were part of the animal kingdom too.

jslizzle

@interim is a username referencing an indefinite period of t...: Crimson Echoes getting shut down is relevant and newsworthy

Normally when PETA does this sort of thing, like most people, I roll my eyes.

FWIW, I'm vegan. Generally I wish PETA would stay out of gaming. It's a form of entertainment that is pretty damn animal safe and they seem to accomplish nothing but antagonized gamers.

This game, however, actually puts money in Barnum and Bailey's hands. "Barnum and Bailey" is an intellectual property that Take Two has licensed. That money will go to help support Barnum and Bailey as they gather animals from the wild and ship them around the globe so that we can laugh at their wacky antics.

I hope it's a tremendous failure. Besides, wouldn't a CIRQUE DU SOLEIL game be a lot more fun?

@Kensukevic: Double-baw.

interim is known is aewyn in other circles

Did PETA remember to target Far Cry 2. I have so much fun shooting and running over zebras and wilderbeasts in the game. Do they light on fire if you throw Molotov cocktails on them, can't wait to find out!

Note: I like animals, there just fun to kill in video games.

jslizzle

Nothing will ever top that story a while back about the High School girls getting upset about CoD: World at War because it forced you to shoot dogs. Nevermind that they were Nazi-trained dogs who were hungry for your jugular.

QualityJeverage

@Prinny1God: If you could still stomach your ice cream while considering the effect your villainous ways have on the general populace, then yes, you are an ice-cream-loving man.

interim is known is aewyn in other circles

@Southrncomfortjm: I agree with you on the dog thing. I just hate that when they do something that is not as radical as things they have done in the past, they still get shit for it. I'll still write a letter, though, as I have opposed this game since I first heard it was coming out. Fuck the circus.

@Kensukevic: Baw.

interim is known is aewyn in other circles

@Werrick: They'll throw red paint on you!

Rawr!

I doubt this'll be more than just the tiniest blip on T2's radar... They're used to dealing with the likes of Jack Thompson and being in and out of court, a bunch of animal rights extremists are hardly going to bother them.

Besides, what the fuck is PETA gonna do, anway?! Seriously, PETA, do your worst, I wanna see what you can do, the maximum damage you can inflict, the greatest influence you can muster.

C'mon, you fucking pansies, I dare you! I double dog dare you! (u c wut i did thar?)

Werrick

@Brian Crecente: obviously, this is a man who loves his ice cream.

@Cururu: ... Can you two read, or am I in the twilight zone?

interim is known is aewyn in other circles

@BarbeQueQ: Would you say that to our troops?

Also, if they "work" at PETA, they already have jobs.

Just watched the Bullshit episode on PETA. WTF.

hyde_ist

@nightwheel: Pretty much giving that they're known for supporting ALF who fire bombs places.

@Kensukevic: I swear, this guy is a PETA member, despite what he said in an above post.

@interim is a username referencing an indefinite period of t...: The Crimson Echoes thing was quite relevant for discussion since it is game related, although I personally didn't have the outrage others did since the first time I heard of the fan project was yesterday. That and I think that it's probably a good idea to ask permission from the rights holder before undertaking such an endeavor. But that's just me. Not that this is the thread for such a discussion.

But regarding the PETA thing, they get off on news outlets jumping to cover them every time they issue a press release. It makes them seem important, and helps with fund raising. Best for news outlets to ignore them rather than be used by them.

Cururu

@Kobun: I hadn't even considered Mac Tonight when I said that, but it adds a second layer of win.

interim is known is aewyn in other circles

They give delicious pockets of bread a bad name.

Courteous_Gentleman

@Skot:
When people play GTA and Manhunt or watch reservoir dogs, they generally know it's not okay to kill people. When people play circus games or watch the circus, it's shown as acceptable behavior to "tame" animals for no other purpose than to show off how much of a bad-ass you are that you can whip a tiger that's chained to the ground.

Kensukevic

@Akua: When your done, ship the empty bucket to PETA.

But make sure you don't send it from you home address. We don't want them to know who sent it now do we?

nightwheel

@BryanH: I agree. I kinda wanna e-mail Take-Two and tell them I WON'T buy the game if they don't keep the Ringling Bros. in it. I really won't buy the game either way, I just don't like the idiocy of PETA.

collinc

@Crescent Man?

Anyone else tempted to send a message from the PETA servers and change the thing in the message box to say "Please, please PLEASE make this game so that you can piss PETA off as much as possible! I'm doing my part by sending this message from their servers under the name "PETA sucks"."

@Kensukevic: Developers making games to make money?! Heaven forbid!

@Brian Crecente: I'm starting a petition to have Crecente called by his villain moniker, "Crescent Man." Hopefully the campaign will be successful before the release of a possible Megaman 9 follow-up.

interim is known is aewyn in other circles

@dillinger23: That was a great episode. Too bad most of Hollywood seems to back PETA to get any more exposure on the organizations fanatical actions and terrorist backing.

@Brian Crecente: eh, I'm just bitter about never being able to use that as a source on essays.

Virtual violence is better than real violence, come on PETA, find something else to moan about. They're like a bunch of old women, they make me sick.

@BryanH: yay ice cream

@Ashkihyena: It's lunchtime and I kind of feel like going to KFC now that you mention it.

Fuck PETA. Worry about actually living, breathing animals if thats what gets you off but this shit is just ridiculous.

Gray665

@jeebus_unit:
Why is everyone defending this game? It's going to be a shitty wii waggle minigame pile of crap. And ringling bros. is going to profit off of this so they can continue to torture animals for their archaic craft. I don't have anything to do with peta but I know that there is no reason to force lions, bears, monkeys, elephants, whatever to do things by beating them. Who the hell goes to the circus anymore? I hate clowns, animal tricks are lame, and you can get acrobatics without the gaudy costumes and sequins.
Did anyone ever enjoy the circus?
This game is a waste of money and developer time, no-one wants this game. Gamers don't want it, the kids who would get their parents to buy it would just as soon buy any other wii game, and I can't imagine any developer actually wanting to make this game except to make money

Kensukevic

@BlueGeek: If you went to the link you would see tons of other links to the debate. Or, you could just not do that and complain.

@notijkabob: So what? Everything you do kills animals. And PETA has killed people-- newsflash, people are animals. OH BUT THEY'RE BAD BAD BAD ANIMALS WITH NO CONSCIENCE!

interim is known is aewyn in other circles

@BryanH: I myself believe animals should be treated fairly. (Like I'm against abuse Horse, dog, and cock fights). But c'mon now. Target something worthwhile PETA, make a better name for yourself and don't be so damn extreme/retarded.

As for me, I am part of my own PETA(people eating tasty animals).

@AngryEddy: And we have a winner!

Sebnotic Says You're Jealous Of My Avatar

I'm not really sure you can say "hotly debated" and then give a link to Wikipedia.

@BryanH: He didn't refer to Square Enix, I did. If you thought I was implying that it wasn't relevant to our interests, you'd be wrong.

interim is known is aewyn in other circles

Anyone else notice that whenever PETA gets involved in an issue, people almost always take the opposite side, no matter what. It's a real shame the folks at PETA are so nuts, 'cause they could actually be making a difference if they actually thought before immediately attacking everyone head on. Even more people would actually side with them, if they took the edge off a little. Maybe if they took a chill pill, and tried to talk (calmly) about the issues, people wouldn't see them as such fascists.

cinemandrew

Why doesn't PETA go after Imagine Petz, Monkeyz, horsez, or Imagine everything elsez? That is more embarrassing and cruel to animals than this is.

@AngryEddy: Brilliant

OK.. Here is a Peta story that I am sure you will all love.

I was at an Aquarium on in West Virginia and all over the aquarium there were dolphin statues and pictures. So we asked some one "where are the dolphins?" and they responded "We used to take injured dolphins and nurse them back to health where we could monitor their progress and at the same time educate people about them. But Peta thinks we should euthanize (kill) the injured animals"

How in the hell does that make sense?

@Altersparck: Or KFC, they hate it when people eat at KFC, oh lord do they hate it.

@2SBs: I doubt it, look at his avatar. It's an animal of some kind and dipicting an animal in a picture is basically stealing it's soul which can be considered as cruelity and imprisonment to animals We all know that PETA isn't capable of that at all.

@Ashkihyena: You can start by eating an endangered animal.

@PulpZero: I put on my robe and wizard hat.

interim is known is aewyn in other circles

As a vegetarian and an animal lover PETA does NOT speak for me.

Matt0505

@chuffhoncho: Either way, he could star in Big O as a Megadouche. ... Or was that Megadeus?

interim is known is aewyn in other circles

@AngryEddy: Great post.

@Cururu: Its news because its freakin' hilarious.

And Square shutting down the Crono Trigger fangame is completely relevant. A lot of people were looking forward to it and it was nearing release, of course they should report about it.

I'm sure circuses conform to laws regarding the humane treatment of animals, so PETA I'm sure is basing this off their (admittedly) abysmal record in the past. Not terribly fair, especially since this is a video game that will proooobably not got into the details of animal training.

It'd be like saying I'm against incandescent lightbulbs because Thomas Edison electrocuted an elephant to death.

Lebensengel

@interim is a username referencing an indefinite period of t...: Really? You think a group of hypocrites are worse than, oh, I don't know, people who are committing genocide in our world?

@2SBs: I think he's comparing the reaction to this article to the reaction caused by Squeenix shutting down the fan made sequel to Chrono Trigger. By Kotaku, he means the commenters, not the blog or it's editors.

@Vidunder:

This is the guy who defended Square Enix's shut down of the Chrono Trigger projects.

He is kind of a douche.

MooglesInMyFace

Watch the Penn and Teller Bullshit episode about PETA, and you'll see all you need to understand just how wacked these people are.

PETA would rather play a game featuring a circus that "does not beat animals for entertainment." and I'd rather my animal welfare organisations didn't put down more animals than they rescue.

@TorenRocksRobots: I bet they love chickens* fighting back in Zelda though.

*I know they're called cuckoos, sheath your swords fanboys.

Hey, here's a little PETA fun fact... fuckin' hypocrites.

[www.reuters.com]

masterdingo

@notijkabob: Im kinda surprised at how graphic PETA is when they draw up killing animals. The cooking mama they did was pretty graphic also.

hyde_ist

@Brian Crecente: He must be a PETA volunteer.

2SBs

@Cururu: This news is just as relevant as Crismon Echoes getting shut down by SE. Sure, minor news, but people do want to know these things. Call it a nail in the coffin.

interim is known is aewyn in other circles

I point everyone here in the direction of Penn & Teller: Bullshit! SE02EP1, it's about PETA.

@Ted: Its too bad Apple took away the baby shaking application for iPhone. I'll have to go back to freelancing now.

Ones and zeroes have rights too y'know!

@Brian Crecente: Yeah man, you're a huge dick, apparently.

Sorry to break the news to you.

You can still have ice cream though.

@Brian Crecente: Don't act so smug and confused Crecente! We all know what Kotaku is! And I, for one, applaud Vidunder for being brave enough to voice the truth! Your website... IS NOTHING MORE THAN A BLOG WHERE YOU POST NEWS ABOUT VIDEO GAMES AND LET PEOPLE COMMENT ON IT!

SHAME!

ReaveT

@LeticiaMonet: You'd think. But all PETA members leave their logic at the door.

@jeebus_unit: Pixels and feelings. :'(

Why do we give any attention to PETA anymore? What have they done in the last five or ten years that gives their opinion any greater weight than that of a random blogger? All I ever hear from them are these pointless publicity stunts that do nothing to help actual animals. They're doing more to hurt their cause than help at this point. The have lofty intentions, but intentions are cheap. Show me some action. PETA, spend a few years spending all of your money and resources helping actual animals with releasing any press releases and then I may pay attention to what you have to say. Until then, take your pointless protests and fund raising drives elsewhere.

And no, protesting in and of itself doesn't count as action. Protests are a dime a dozen these days, and most are full of sound and fury, signifying nothing and accomplishing nothing.

Cururu

@AngryEddy: ME LIKEY

Ackers

PETA says you shouldn't crate your dogs. PETA also says you shouldn't use a choke collar on your dogs. They want you to treat animals, especially your domesticated ones, like people. Yet treating a dog like a person is precisely what ruins them. Treat a dog like a person and they get neurotic and do everything that makes a dog "bad." You treat a dog with love and care, but you have to be strict and have a firm hand or he gets out of control. Tho, you should never *ever* hit a dog, its just mean and doesn't teach them anything.

I'll start taking PETA more seriously when they get serious about what they protest.

I wonder how PETA feels about the chicken kicking in Fable and Fable II...I'm yet to be near an actual chicken since playing either of those games, but i always swore that when I was FINALLY near one, I'd kick it as hard as I could and measure it...

as far as this goes, fuck PETA. I'm going to enjoy a big meaty sandwich, while wearing a fur coat right now.

watch Penn and Teller's episode about PETA on youtube, its FLAWLESS.

They were saying "your mommy kills animals" While the picture may be a bit exaggerated it is true.

[www.vegetariansareevil.com]

@NitrousO: That will likely become a popular opinion, soon.

interim is known is aewyn in other circles

@Devenu: win

@BryanH: PETA = Perpetrating Evil Terrorist Acts

Seriously, check out the Penn and Tellers Bullshit Episode on PETA.

@AngryEddy:

"The PETA? More like PEE-TA. Get it? I made a piss joke!" - PT Barnum

@Vidunder: You. I hate you D:<

NitrousO

@Brian Crecente: I'm confused too, Crescent Man (that's your Megaman villain name, by the way).

interim is known is aewyn in other circles

@AngryEddy: Heh, if I wasn't already following you, I would just for that comment.

Someone really needs to take PETA out back and shoot them Ol' Yeller style.

Lolpeta

NyappyHeroism

Just for that, I'm going to buy it just to piss PETA off.

This is hilarious when you consider Take-Two is usually taking heat about GTA and Manhunt.

EVIL EVIL CIRCUS!

(How long till someone posts the Bullshit! PETA video?)

Little do PETA know, these virtual animal 'cruelty' games are actually helping me keep control of my animal killing tendencies.

You know, kinda like how Rapelay helps me not rape anyone.

@Vidunder: ?

Yesterday SQEnix, today PETA... who's gonna be the next target of the Kotaku Internet Hate Machine? Stay Tuned!

Vidunder

@BryanH: It's ok, that's all that needs to be said.

@Devenu: Do as they say, not as they do.

I pitty the dorks that work at PETA. Seriously, get a job. You are pathetic.

BarbeQueQ

PETA is terrible to animals. If I fly down the flaming portal into hell, and had one last chance to take revenge on those who had done the most wrong, I would give anything in this world to turn PETA into the stuff that's left at the bottom of a Chinese restaurant's dustbin.

interim is known is aewyn in other circles

It's a good thing PETA is taking time out of its busy schedule of killing 95% of animals it gets in its possession, telling children their parents are murderers, and teaching college students to make bombs to do something productive.

Devenu

Oh no! The super secret underground animal abuse footage didn't work? Those fiends! Have they no heart?

"There's a fucker born every minute. And they all volunteer for PETA." - PT Barnum

Those poor ducks!

Wouldn't taking its cruelty to animals virtual be a good thing?

LeticiaMonet

PETA is evil.

...That's really all I got. Sorry.

When a video-elephant goes on a rampage, only pixels are harmed.

Man, PETA must be bored as hell now that real animal cruelty is gone, sorta like the NAACP.

MaikenX

@francoamerica: But pita is delicious! D:

@laencythe: rpeating bullshit at the nd of every sentence? please

Have you seen other episodes of the series? Besides, Penn explained in the very first episode that it's done as a means to express disgust without getting into potential lawsuits by calling people for what they're seen as -- liars, crooks, etc.

@bobtheduck: wow... feet... I just woke up, ok?

@terebi: A no-kill shelter is a worthy endeavor. Peta is an endeavor worthy of a thousand foots up your ass. So you win.

@GameBuddy: But you can eat both at Kingdom Magicalia...

Um...

Disneyland.

@BryanH: This is true.

You wanna know what I think about Peta? For all I care, they can bite my burger. Mmm... meat...

"looking to take its cruelty to animals virtual."
what, was virtual animals already taken?
Probably nintendo, right?

Will nobody think of the sea kittens?!?!

lolgreg

The PETA folks are clearly aware this is virtual, they say so in their statement. So why, then, do they care? I don't get it. Isn't killing and beating virtual animals far better than doing it in real life? Or do AI-controlled virtual beasties now have rights I was unaware of?

It's a game, get over it....purchasers of the game aren't going to go out and whip on elephants for real...not that any of them would even have that opportunity. I'm going to go pop in Resident Evil 5 and murder a bunch of virtual chickens just because I can.

jcb231

@kingofrain: Whether humans think it's right or not, if an alien species had the capacity and intent to do that, then they're going to do it. I'm not condoning being eaten by aliens, I'm just saying the cows can't stop us from acting on our instincts.

@jslizzle: Kingdom Animalia =/= Kingdom Plantea.

@kingofrain:

So who's sticking up for plants? They've obviously not got anyone sticking up for them! And humans started off as scavengers, we cracked open the bones of left over kills by other animals, and ate the bone marrow. When we figured out how to make weapons and could actually for once beat the other predators to a prey, we became hunter/gatherers. We have sharp teeth, called incisors, for the tearing of meat. Your wisdom teeth? For grinding bone (though notably they're not super necessary anymore, since we no longer have to grind bones). We're omnivores, which is why vegetarians and vegans have to take vitamins or eat certain types of plants to get the necessary supplements they require that they're not getting from a meat diet.

We have forks and knives to eat meat NOW, but it's not like the only way we can eat meat is through the use of utensils. And if you think about it, just about everything we do is unnatural. We use tools and weapons, which only a rare few animals do, and not nearly to the extent we do, we wear clothes, we do art, etc. etc. If you want to swear off meat because "eating it with utensils is unnatural" then, you better swear off clothing, technology, society, writing, etc. because that's all pretty "unnatural" too.

There's a reason that the food table includes meats, and it's not some great meat-processing conspiracy.

@dillinger23: personaly I found that episode to be too much of a puerile attempt at spiting PETA and their supporters (rpeating bullshit at the nd of every sentence? please) rather than an informational perspective of the problem that is PETA. doesn't change the fact that PETA is stupid. without comparison.

laencythe

@Kenny:

I'm sure take 2 didn't even open the email with the attached video file. I think all publishers have already set their email to filter anything PITA related to the spam folder.

@Fernando Jorge:

It's like that southpark episoe, where they get the kkk to change their voiced opinion so everyone disagrees with them.

Regardless, pita is concerned about historical animal abuse becoming virtual. It's not like the game will even feature an animal abuse minigame. If someone like PITA just keeps pointing their finger at ridiculous things like this, there definitely comes a point where it's safe to say you are better off ignoring them. PITA crossed that line a very long time ago. I have absolutely no respect for them, only contempt.

@kingofrain: As for the vegetarian thing, that's all well and good and i have no problems with it, UNTIL you are a mother carrying a child. At that point you are forcing your bad health on someone not yet born, and most likely going to cause problems for the child in the future.

What most vegetarians don't get is you cant just eat a fucking bean burrito everyday and think that you will be ok. There is a reason we eat meat, its for the amino's and proteins that your body and brain needs. To get the same dietary needs as a meat eater you will generally have to take about 3 HUGE handfulls of vitamins a day.

Sorry for the rant but i was born in a hippy commune and have seen a lot of really sick and frail "Vegans and Vegetarians".

@kingofrain: you do know that, like boars, bears and many apes, we humans are omnivores? we can survive without meat, because we have found ways to artificially replace the necessary nutrients that we get from meat and animal products. other ethnicities, like the japanese and koreans, need less meat to have a healthy organism, because their environmental conditions gave them other resources. but animal proteins are still necessary to their organism. that's how evolution works, you have to do with what you ahve. in the end, humanity only became the 'predominant' species on earth, because of our high consumption of meat and the discovery of fire, that allowed us to digest meat more easily and assimilate it's nutrients. there was a time, when like most carnivorous and omnivorous animals (because humans are also animals, not matter what you want to believe) we'd scavenge and eat even rotten meat. we have evolved since then. that's why we only have four canines left. with other parts of our body taking a more predominant role, some parts had to be sacrificed. but it doesn't change the fact that we still have canines, because we still rely on a variety of diets, like carnivorous nutrition.
at least know this, that if any other animal was in our place, they'd probably do the same thing. that's what it means being on top of the food chain.
though that doesn't mean that we shouldn't show respect and regard other animals as vital to our survival because of their role in our environment. fair treatment of animals I'm all for, but the stupid conception of PETA's that all animals are equal and we therefore should "liberate" them, is ridiculous and against the very nature of Nature itself.
for good or bad, we are the shepherds of the world, and it's true we should start acting more responsibly and consequently.

laencythe

@kingofrain: Unless you are for the full liberation of ALL animals everywhere, then you should not stick up for PETA. Not to say they wont take your money but they don't share your view.

Now if you do share PETA's view, DO NOT EVER TAKE ANY KIND OF MEDICINE EVER!! Since most of it was tested on animals, uses animal by products and probably chokes kittens for fun.

@willy626: As a resident of Sarasota I have to support them seeing that John Ringling did some good stuff for our fair town

CFStang

@Fernando Jorge: Do you have a cat or dog? If you do, YOU ARE PETA'S ENEMY.

They want the TOTAL liberation of animals, making them free to do whatever they want, like roam the street and kill children. But that doesn't matter since animals are more important than children to PETA.

And then whats going to happen when a liberated animal attacks and kills someone? Do we take them to court?

@interim is known is aewyn in other circles: Ha Ha, well played sir.

@kingofrain: First of all, that's a completely biased source. I wouldn't expect an open-minded scientific analysis from a place called "goveg.com".

Secondly, this is a gaming forum. It proves that this sort of conversation is out of place. If there were a forum where people could come to debate this topic, people would bring more intelligent things to the table.

@BryanH: PETA is like the current GOP. I just needs to die in the current form it is so it can be reborm in a more functional and rational form.

@MustyBuckets: I agree. Take-two won't cave, especially with how they have held up under past criticisms. I just don't see why they're wasting there time with another mini-game...game. Seems like such a waste of good resources. I also agree with you on the PETA thing. They are extreme most of the time. I just wish people didn't think that about all vegetarians/vegans.

Also, due to the fact that you contribute well stated, intelligent comments, I am now a follower of yours :)

@MustyBuckets: It's all good, I actually like arguing about this sort of stuff, and I'm glad you argued back with intelligent responses. This is what the comment section is for.

@LeviAJones:
there biggest weakness is that their cause is retarded. Im gonna go eat a cheeseburger.

mikger237

@Fernando Jorge:

Interesting assertion. Sadly, every time I've investigated, PETA has come up for the worse.

KenseiKitsune

@[www.goveg.com] I don't eat meat, yet I can come up with more than 5 words to use as a comment, unlike some of your fellow meat-eaters. What does that prove?

@kingofrain: I don't know why I didn't get that the first time I read the comment, but it was a clear and valid point about the troops, I just missed it.

I think everyone is so vocal about their ideas on this smaller matter due to some of the larger things PETA has done lately.

While I don't care about this game one way or another, I doubt take-two will cave on the matter, as they are move of a company that feels any press is good press. But, if you feel the way you do, you are entitled to write them a letter on it, just like anyone who is against the idea of PETA trying to shut down a game that has been made with innocent intentions should do the same.

In short, as I stated above, I disagree with you, but I support you expressing your opinion.

MustyBuckets

@kingofrain: I have to agree with you on this. There is NO PROOF that Humans have been eating animals for thousands of thousands of years, without forks or knives. Neanderthals have clearly been hunting elusive and hard to take down carrots.

But really, people are giving you a hard time, and I don't want to anymore. I really do care for animals, and if there was someway to grow in a lab chicken, beef, and pork, I'd go for that over hurting animals. I don't think PETA is right in their methods, but the basic idea is sound, some animals need protection. I just don't feel that the virtual world is the best use of their resources at the time. Which is why many people in my shoes decide to donate locally to animal shelters and the like.

So, let's agree to disagree on these matters.

MustyBuckets

@Kensukevic: Isn't it funny how you can say something as intelligent and level-headed as what you said here, but you hardly ever get an equally intelligent response? I just don't see how some people can care so little about other living creatures but care so much about a shitty circus game that they'll never play anyway.

@kingofrain: Yeah, for one thing, its a video game, for another thing, its a video game, and for the third thing, its a video game.

I hate how PETA complains about cruelty to animals in video games. For 2 reasons.

1)PETA does not give a crap about humans. If i am playing a game and kill thousands of people and 1 DOG, they will complain about that 1 dog getting shot. I mean i can understand how jack Thompson hates all violence in video games, But it is really strange when PETA comes in and says only violence against animals is wrong, violence against humans is OK.

2)It's just a game, it's not real, No REAL animals where harmed in this game. Seriously the argument that people who kill animals in games do it in real life is not true. The only people who would harm real animals after playing a video game are the kind of people who are so mentally unbalanced that they would have committed acts of cruelty against animal with or without the game.

Ometochtli

Why the fuck are PETA so ridiculous?!
I mean, does anyone ACTUALLY think like that?

@BlueGeek: and, honestly, I just assumed no one was going to read that. It was sort of my own inside joke.

I hate PETA. I dont hate animals but PETA is just a bunch of animal humping lunatics

Wilky_McBadass

@namesRhard: I see what you did there.

Sal Muñoz

@kingofrain:
Actually, the reason people mock you for being a vegetarian is because of your attitude towards meat-eaters. You have made a decision about your lifestyle and instead of accepting that others do not want to make the same decision for their own reasons you insist on telling them how you are superior to them.

I know a fair few vegetarians, it's only the ones with superiority complexes that are the butt of any jokes though. Aside from good-natured ribbing (which everyone is subject to).

TrjnRabbit

torn between my hate for PETA's stupidity and my hatred for these WII casual gaming half ass but full priced games.

@lolgreg: i loled at that.

@kingofrain: You guys are both being incredible douchers, you know that?

thewafflecult

Does anybody really take Peta seriously anymore? in order to really make a statement, they need to go back to blowing up abortion clinics! Oh, wait... who are we talking about again?

Welcome to my sense of humor.

AlucardsQuest

Peta are terrorist.

aihuman

@NeoStarr: Hahaha, hahaha. Ha. Shut up.

This protest, silly or not, is about siding with a company that is suspected to have mistreated animals.

If you think mistreating animals is cool, say so.
If you think siding with a company that mistreats animals ain't that bad, say so.
If you think that Ringling bros. doesn't mistreat animals, say so.
These things would be relevant.

But being a dick isn't funny.

If you want to ridicule PETA, at least do it with some right reasons.

MonsterKingRen

@lasttoblame:
Sorry, but most people just don't read into situations that deeply.

There's a difference between someone saying "I don't eat meat" and then being asked (politely) "why?" and kingofrain's approach of "I don't eat meat, and you're disgusting unnatural bastards!"

By publically not eating meat you're not making a statement, because to make a statement it has to be something that people actually give a damn about. Seeing as you not eating meat in the middle of a cafe doesn't effect them one iota, they probably won't even realise there's not an ounce of animal in your meal.

The only time people are scared and distrustful of vegetarians are when they're being told by said vegetarians that their way of life is wrong. If someone came up to me and called me a murderer because I was enjoying a cheeseburger, I'd be pissed off, and that's because accusations are being made towards me personally.

TrjnRabbit

@Tesahli: Crazy discussion coming from some people with shitty arguments and some people with good arguments.
The whole thing with plants is that we mostly eat non-vital parts of them, some even INTENDED to be eaten.
However I eat meat and I love it. But I agree some thing could be made to be more... "humane" to animals.

However meanwhile 1/3 of the world's population is starving. Also we have wars. Solve the human problems first.

Then we'll deal with animals.

MonsterKingRen

@kingofrain:
But they're working ALONGSIDE PETA.
That's unforgivable.
Even Penn and Teller agree that PETA is BULLSHIT.
Speaking of which that was my favorite episode of that show... I wonder if it's still on youtube.

HulkShmash

@LeticiaMonet: Listen to yourself: why do we have to be cruel at all, virtual or not virtual? You should like someone's head needs to be blown up at all times just to have fun.

On the other side, this protest by PETA is just further harassment against Ringling Bros and has nothing to do with actual animals, unless of course real animals were brought in to do mo-cap work. The pursuit of Bros and Co. into the digital virtual world won't have much pull with a savvy gamer community.

@TrjnRabbit: All a vegetarian has to do is admit (truthfully) "I don't eat meat," and the debating and accusations will follow. By being a vegetarian you challenge the status quo and spread fear and distrust whereever you go.

By sitting in a cafe and eating a salad and bean burrito, you are saying "CHANGE" without saying a word. And the rest of the world doesn't like it, and wants to toss some chicken on your Ceasar to make themselves feel better.

They have watched to much Reboot....

[en.wikipedia.org]

@Lajcik: Do I have to eat the cookie that makes me very small first? Or is it the tea that makes you small and the cookie that makes you big? Or... have I been... Oh.

Can't listen to anything PETA says. They think that me, keeping my dog well fed and exercised at my house is cruel. My dog is so spoiled.

Smurph

@Ozymandias: :)

@kingofrain: "And you're right, people will continue to eat animals, but do you not agree that it can be done without hurting them?". Lets inject them with anaesthetics before we eat them!

Epic sentence, seriously.

But really, way to go poking at the anthill. Lets talk abortion next.

@bobtheduck: And isn't that why they're there in the first place?

Not to be undone, PETA is looking to take their douchebaggery virtual.

shwing