Kane & Lynch Sequel Trademarked

@Witzbold: Ha ha. I tell you what, I think the thing that annoyed me the most, in hindsight, was helping all of the buddies and doing all sidemissions, protecting them and even restarting from a save when one died just to keep them alive in my game... only to be betrayed; finally meeting up with the Jackal after all of it and ending up working with him, and having the game end with no resolution.

That and 2 days of trying to work through the corrupt save file issue that at times saw me have to go back as much as 40% in game progress on more than one occasion. The final time I got up to 96% and got thrown back to about 68%. LOL

I think about that game now, and whilst I still own it, and like how with many games you don't feel like playing them again 'yet'... I'm not sure when I'll want to play that again.

EDIT: ...and Dear God... those 'convoy missions' where you could watch a truck circle around, sneak out like Wile. E. Coyote and place an IED right on the spot where you knew it'd return to, and blow it up with minimal fuss...

They could've worked on that game for another 2 years the way I see it.

Bergerac

This is what we get in exchange for Freedom Fighters *sigh*

@Bergerac: Aint that the fucking truth about Far Cry 2 + your views on reviews in general.

Though you gotta admit if you stand around listning to the other mercs in the main town you hear some pretty fucked up conversations which I had though was quite interesting. Also the game started off great but then everything went down hill from there as you see all the problems you had mentioned and more.

Also I still have no idea why they put the charging handle on the opposite side of the AK. Since granted that type of modification exists just that its quite rare. So makes no sense.

Overall weapon damage against unarmored targets was terrible and locational damage / wounding seemed to be at random.

@KillerBee: Actually I enjoyed Army of Two and played through it multiple times. Since the gun play was actually managable along with controls and other features.

Kane & Lynch pretty much everything seemed broken. :/ Plus the story that could have been great was just "ok" and really felt like it was not planned out at all.

Far Cry 2 was just poor design choices that ruined a potentially great game. Though the editor was highly impressive I thought.

Thats because most of the people who spouted hatred for it didnt actually play it. They just jumped on the bandwagon of hatred. Which is usually the case.

Detre

Guess Eidos better get started writing the reviews for the game sites now. :P

gaijira

@Witzbold: Yes Witz we have talked about this before; they should also keep the verticle split screen mechanic 2 player on the couch was fun

@njd09: Why would I need reviews when I played through the whole 'Malaria is a good game mechanic/no melee stealth/guns rust and break every ten minutes/put handgliders in a game purely to get stray diamonds/repetitive missions/self-repairing enemy shack' nonsense that was Jeep Wars 2? The game wasn't terrible, but it was blatantly average.

The only thing that was 'great' about the game was fire propagation. I liked the setting and the concept, that was good - in theory, but the game itself was incredibly average overall.

I also find it funny that my opinion that the game is average is supposedly 'overruled' by other people's opinions that it may not have been.

I don't care about reviews mate. As Jonax surmised, they mean absolutely nothing; to anyone other than the reviewer and people rallying for a line of defence against people with the opposite opinion.

I mean, the very concept of the game was that you were supposed to be playing a role, making an impact on the conflict and ultimately deciding it. That doesn't mean much when it's only fortified by scripted dialogues whilst everything else in the game reappears.

Bergerac

@NicolasCage: The new gawker commenting system :p

Oh, so which gamespot reviewer will get sacked this time?

freshmilk

The second game could definitely be something special.

The characters are there, they just need to polish the game and add more variety

MOB712

I really love the Original One, although it was sadly disappointing that the majority of the world didn't even pay heed to it. I loved how it had a refreshingly decent multi player mode that brought a new aspect of game play to the world.

However, I can also agree with the people that didn't play it long because it was indeed riddled with an unbelievable amount of bugs and the single player story was definitely god awful.

In the long run though to me the multiplayer alone was worth the purchase. Nothing like robbing a bank and then getting shot in the back by an ally because he wanted all of your money. Being that Money was your score and your overall cash was your leader board score. And it also payed for your weapons later.

Ah, this game will definitely be on my, I want it now and I am already tired of waiting, list.

@dubculture: The Rainbow Six Vegas engine? That wouldn't be bad. I liked that series and how it worked, so I agree, would be a good idea, but most likely that will never ever happen. Still, it's a nice pipe dream.

@lolgreg isn't serious: Comment of the Week

brainboy77

@lolgreg isn't serious: Comment of the week.

brainboy77

@njd09: This might be the wrong article to recommend looking at reviews. ;)

Loved Hitman, loved Freedom Fighters, loved Kane & Lynch. Something about IO's games has always appealed to me, although I don't think anyone can say they are perfect.

I really liked the first one. Looking forward to this.

Fragile Alliance definitely is one of my favorite multiplayer modes ever, even if the shooting mechanics are broken. Thought the campaign was reasonably good as well, fun in co-op, and I thought the story and characters were good up until things got silly in Havana.

@lolgreg isn't serious: People showing how Eidos is paying off bad reviews with big piles of money for better reviews?

Maybe they still have that grudge against Jeff after he pushed them down the stairs and hit them both with a bus.

Weird. I just finished this game last week.

Talk about the worst ending to a game ever this has to when the Gold Medal.

Few games end with the player looking at the TV saying outloud : what the fuck??!

van_line

@NicolasCage: Bad reviews

Jesus, look at that picture. What could have possibly pissed both of them off that much?

The first game destroyed Gamespot. What will this one do?

Man, it's impossible to not think of Gamespot whenever this game is mentioned.

RiotControl

I really liked the first game actually, after seeing all the hate for it on the internet, I gave it a try and was surprised by how much I liked it, the characters ARE meant to be bad guys afterall, plus a few game moments just ruled, such as the Bank Robbwery, the Building and Streets of Tokoyo, etc, they were just awesome and felt soo much like the movie "Heat".

@audiodidact: I would say yes.

It's a decent cinematic action game. It's far from flawless: the shooting/aiming takes much longer than it should before you get comfortable with it, but it's not nearly as broken as consensus opinion would have you believe.

The narrative has been carefully designed around a series of movie inspired set pieces, most of which are expertly designed to give you that "I'm playing a movie!" rush without dumbing everything down.

It suffered more from a shady marketing campaign and the resulting backlash, than from any deficiency in the game itself.

It's a solid 7/10, maybe an 8 if you're really jonesing for something new to play.

@Gantz: Your Trusted Friend in Science.: Burnout 1 got me to rent Burnout 2, which I loved as well, and since then, I haven't stopped playing Burnout. I will argue that while Burnout 1 and 2 were the weakest entries, they were still great games.

njd09

@lolgreg isn't serious: +1

njd09

@Bergerac: You seriously think Far Cry 2 is average? Look up the reviews before you spout please.

njd09

@EGBTMagus:
not me, I enjoyed and liked Kane & Lynch Dead Men, still have it for my PS3 (well, rebought for PS3 after selling my 360 copy) and will be getting the sequel day 1.

@DWslider: I did too. I don't really know why, though.

I think it was because the story was kind of different. I've never seen a game besides the original K&L that had an actual sad and crappy ending. That's something I've only seen in movies.

@Bergerac: You are right. Far Cry 2 and Army of Two were worse. I think the review fiasco might have actually HELPED sales honestly.

@homernoy:

You didn't like it? You're fired!

OK, sorry, that was easy.

turkish101

hope they make the controls and stuff better than the first. story was great.

AznMetalHead

I think I'm in the vast minority when I say that I actually enjoyed it... I believe i've heard it best described as the following:

"It's a game based off of the greatest movie never made"

A good game that could have been great but lacked 'polish'... but I honestly think that like Army of Two, it came dangerously close to getting it VERY right.

Bioshock it's not, but does everything have to be?

I loved the first Kane & Lynch. It was one of the best downloads from GameTap I ever did.

Unfortunately, the game kept on crashing on the mission in the Cuban mountains.

I think Lynch needs to be more of a psycho in this one though.

I didn't think this game was too bad. Its core mechanics could stand to be improved, but it was a fun ride. With a lot of polish it could be a AAA title.

Wasn't there supposed to be a Kane & Lynch movie?

Dreamwriter

@Phydeaux: I'm with him on this one, the characters sold me on it.

To answer you question why: They were interesting(especially Lynch), that simple. Former merc and a HIGHLY unstable psychopath, I don't understand what's NOT to like. As for everything else (gameplay mechanics, storyline holes, etc) I was able to forgive enough. That being said... this is a day one purchase for me.

I actually thought the first one was... decent... Kinda.

For not having paid to play it (my buddy who co-op'd with me was the sucker who shelled out cash for it) I actually had a decent time. Had I payed anything more then $5 or so for it myself I would've been pissed, but it wasn't terrible. I've definitely played worse.

@DWslider: worth picking up if i can find it for cheap? (sub-$20ish)

Do not review this game. Ever.

Kyle Templeton

@KillerBee: How soon you all forget.

Burnout 1 and 2 were crap, it took them till 3 to get it right and its been gold ever since.

Its not like you're all forced to play these games.

@lolgreg isn't serious: LMAO

@lolgreg isn't serious: They'd have to send the Lara Croft model for the expressed purpose of allowing herself to be motorboated by my staff.

@KillerBee: I disagree. The game was easily average. The review fiasco just exaggerated the negative consensus. The game was indeed average, but it wasn't any worse than Far Cry 2, Army Of Two, Just Cause, or any other generally 'average' games.

The only part that really annoyed me was the friendly AI during the assault on the military complex. That the game uses a Gears style 'team mate revive' system only made the fact that the friendly AI would not hold their position, intead running towards enemy gun emplacements with shotguns, even worse.

Bergerac

@EGBTMagus: Please explain.

@Witzbold:

Wish they would just run it on the Rainbow Six Vegas engine (with Lynch less compliant than your average Marine, of course) and the time and money can be spent on a great script and developing memorable set-pieces which really lacked in the first game.

dubculture

And all gamers die alittle inside now...

@Funmachine: Actually, I just looked it up it didn't even hit 400k sales in the US, 750k total worldwide. Not bad I guess, but not necessarily sequel worthy by any means.

If your first game is average, you won't have a lot of repeat customers.

@DWslider: What about them, exactly, did you like?

I say this because in comparison there's at least two people in this thread that I've read thus far that hate the game BECAUSE of the characters.

@Phydeaux: I bet they could pay you to give it a good review, though ;)

lolgreg isn't serious

@lolgreg prays to Joe Pesci: too late!

kobeashi

@DukeOfPwn: Marketing AND public relations. After the Gerstmann fiasco, you couldn't pay me to touch an Eidos title.

The second one would be a lot better if they actually worked more on the 2 great characters that they have created. Also fix the shooting mechanics since they were fucking terrible. They need to look at what works now days and what people managed to enjoy regardless if the characters were shit for example 50 cent blood on the sand. Great gameplay that works, character that nobody gives a shit about for the most part.

Id be willing to pick up 2 only if I can see they have improved the gameplay mechanics. If they fixed the story also that would be excellent, but something I wont be able to judge from trailers alone.

There won't be any point in reviewing this sequel. No one will believe that any score given will be authentic.

@Funmachine: Exactly. Sales > Reviews. Especially now that they can just use the money made off the first game to buy reviews, the sales will be through the roof!

lolgreg isn't serious

It'll give Gamespot another opportunity to cull some staff members!

Jitawa

The controls on the first game were so horrible on the PC version, I literally could not play the game. Very disappointing to say the least, and I really wanted to like the game.

homernoy

I wonder who Gamespot will fire over this one :|

kobeashi

@KillerBee:

Actually, it sold a considerable amount. Something like over 1mil sold. So thats why they're making a sequel.
Why before Hitman 5? I don't know, that seems more likely to make money as K&L was almost universally panned by customers.

I would have prefer cereal. Wake up in the morning, slam my gun on the counter as I munch on some Kane & Lynch dog days cereal.

The first one was lacking in so many ways. It was less than average across the board. I think the worst part, for me, was that I didn't give a shit about the main characters. I understood that the sales were not all that hot, either. Why make another? This "franchise" is obviously not appealing to many gamers.

Kane & Lynch 2: Getting Gerstmann

lolgreg isn't serious

You know why the first game failed? Marketing. It didn't have any catchy slogan. Maybe "Raise Kane this November." That'll make the game fly off the shelves like waffle fries!

DukeOfPwn

Glad to see this, don't know why but I really enjoyed Kane and Lynch, for the characters if anything.

DWslider

Androgenous Kane and Robo-Lynch anyone?

Oh dear...I cant see this going well within the gaming community. The game will have to be/do something special to get out of the shadow left by the last games PR "maneuvers".

Let the review embargoes begin!

I really liked the original, despite it's many flaws. But then I seem to have a thing for games that are perceived as generally lousy. Alone In the Dark, this, Army of Two...

Alright, lets take bets on the next reviewer fired over a correct review. I rented this game just to see how bad it was, the aiming is crap, and it just feels lazy overall. The whole time I was going, Hitman is great...this is not.

MadExponent

dog days? jesus christ cut out my eyeballs... ahha... cat calls

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