Korean Developer Responds To Team Fortress 2 Rip-Off Claims

@Harrison is playing FFVIII: How about INSPIRED BY?

@KingSeafoam: Not really "sexified". More "moefied".

Case in point: do you find it sexy?

@DemonJester13: School lied. The Wiki ITSELF may be an unreliable source, but the citations that are connected to its numbered entries may not necessarily be so.

@Firelance:
The joke: HERE

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Your head: HERE

@Grampybone: I'm surprised no one caught that.

i still say this game is substantially different... the game is in third person as well. call it a mash-up of socom and team fortress then.

xblindx

@Harrison is playing FFVIII: Dude, the "scout" class not only has a baseball bat and runs in exactly the same manner, but it has DOUBLE JUMP. That alone screams rip-off.

Zaranell

Gameplay would probably be different since it looks like the players wouldn't actually have classes.

What they really, really need is a new, better, less plagiarized version of the trailer they have now. If not for the trailer, nobody would've called it a rip-off in the first place.

glardchia

Baseball bats, Ubercharge, rocket jumping, the near exact grenades and weapon sets.. it almost looks like it's just a TF2 mod with new graphics.

I'm not saying just having those things makes a game a ripoff... but holy hell. When a game comes out with like 10 new concepts that wasn't seen in any other game to date (Like TF2 did) and then all of a sudden another game has 8 of those, that can't be ignored. One or two, easy to count out, but wow. Even the builds and color schemes of all the male characters are the same as TF.

@sunpop: Perhaps Valve haven't yet been alerted to it?

There's no reason people shouldn't express their opinions on this, regardless of what Valve say anyway.

trailracer

@Firelance:
Unless the game is absolutely phenomenal, I think it would be more like a blind man trying to feel an elephant and the elephant just pushing him away out of annoyance.

MarginalMeaning

@Harrison is playing FFVIII: You must be one of those blind elephant touchers that dev was talking about.

@Evdor:
Really, the weapons? It's a rocket launcher and a minigun, how much different can they make them look? Those are the only two guns that even look like tf2 weapons. The sniper rifle looks like a little toy motor with a sight and a barrel on it firing popcaps, the shotgun looks, well, like a shotgun, the machine gun... well tf2 doesn't even have a machine gun, just a sub machine gun and they look nothing alike.

I'm not denying that there are definite similarities, but to have people so pissed about it. I'm going to wait till the game shows more gameplay or actually comes out to pass judgement.

MarginalMeaning

@SirFenwick: You mean 70's 80's, and 90's! Know your dates if you're going to soapbox it!

AntiHiro

@Roguestriker: and...elephants?

@Whytookay - Battlecruiser Operational:

You're right, then it becomes surprise buttsecks.

@KingSeafoam:
Honestly I would wait till the game actually comes out with real gameplay videos to compare. We don't know the games concept other than toys coming to life and killing each other, what kind of map mechanics it has (such as tf2's Payload, Capture Point, etc.) And even then, capture the flag(intel) and capture point games aren't a new concept. A detonation bomb, you mean a remote mine? they've been in plenty of games. I didn't any actually rocket jumps, but jumps on map placed trampolines. Death animations, they gib, and have blood, and I doubt the animations are frame by frame similar unless they built up their own source engine from scratch or stole it.

The biggest thing that makes me think that it isn't is what I suppose is gameplay at the end of the trailer, each supposed "class" is using every weapon. The "soldier" is using a minigun at one point, and the "scout" is using a sniper rifle.

I think that other than the pseudo cell shaded visual presentation and the similarities in the trailer, there really is nothing to complain about. Especially since it's probably going to be a free to play game with micro transactions anyways. If anything, it's more similar to battlefield heroes.

MarginalMeaning

@Markarian: the alphabet must remin you of "alphabits"... oh

Rey Rodrigues

Who cares anyway, the large majority of western players will never touch something as stupid as this and we know the cultural divide between Asia and the West can be pretty huge. Let em have their ripped off fun, I doubt it will cost Valve any money.

Dynalisia

@Harrison is playing FFVIII: I have to agree.
People are making mountains out of molehills here.
I watched it and really felt it had some similarities but its being exaggerated by many.
Some people said its shot for shot which isn't really true at all. It seems that the classes have similar weapons and abilities though.

There are similarities, but I mean who cares this probably won't get all that much attention or play outside of Korea, and at the end of the day, its TF2... I can't stand playing TF2 for more then a round or two. I don't understand why everyone loves it so much... its a decent game but not as great as some here would lead you to believe.

Comban

the game look like a mod that would be made for TF2 that would replace the characters with plastic dolls and the levels with giant house levels.

chamoo232

@luigilogik: I'm accusing you of being blind.

@desterion: and this is an embarrassment to the KOREAN game industry. wow.

Y'know, I was ready to give them the benefit of the doubt, and then I get to their one eyed, ersatz Demoman. It's different enough to avoid legal action, whether it'll have enough to draw anyone away from TF2 for more than a couple weeks is looking doubtful.

@N●Gage Croal:

OH NOES YOU DIDN'T.
Valve > Halo.
Halo is just another overhyped generic shooter.
The first one was pretty decent.
Second one sucks. And third one is just generic.

Firelance

@DemonJester13:

School lied.

Firelance

@BubbleF**kingBuddy:
Halo invented Valve.

@BubbleF**kingBuddy:

Valve also invented a completely balanced game with great success that will soon be blind raped by a Korean company.

Firelance

@namyr26: Didn't there used to be a command to play TF2 in 3rd-person?

@-[[CHoZO]]-: I think you both missed the part where he said this game will suck more than TF2...

Well, as a TF2 player i can definately see a lot of similarities. Down to some action styles and how the trailer is done, to weapons. Even sounds, the sound for the sniper rifle in the trailer is the same as the one from tf2. Obviously they ripped a lot of ideas from tf2 thinking nobody would notice with the drastically differing theme.

desterion

Omigorsh! A Korean game that looks similar to another? Impossible!

Thut

Indeed the trailer for it has cribbed quite a few bits from the style of the TF2 trailers.

I can see the gameplay not being quite the same as TF2 though, even after the scant tidbits of actual gameplay you see in that trailer.

StormTec

@dreamparacite: I have to admit, I'm totally digging the moe Heavy.

Leanid

@hobblinharry:
I'm betting, from the trailer and the whoe concept, it will be a complete rip-off alright... and a dumbed down one for that matter.
[xspblog.com]
BUT, this in no way is really bad to me... if Valve is ok with it, I'll just consider this another one of those free online fps that pretty much rips off other triple A FPSs, but have dumbed down graphics and physics.

And they are great, specially when I'm not at home, with my laptop alone... since those games have lower requirements, I can have my FPS fix with a laptop or an older desktop.

Combat Arms for instance worked pretty fine...
[xspblog.com]

And I'm testing some others right now... unfortunately, I'm still struggling to make BattleField Heroes work.

Bokusatsu_Tenshi

@Harrison is playing FFVIII: If it was only a few things, you'd have a point. But they're virtually identical besides the character models, and even then some of them are still similar. This is a game set in a fictional environment, the developers had free reign to create a weapon that looks like anything they wanted. But what did they do? Make it look exactly the same as TF2.

It's an homage or inspiration when a few parts are taken from another game, but when 90% of the game is the same then it's definitely plagiarism.

Leanid

The elephant comment makes sense.

The images are of a character running, a character as seen through a scope and a grenade. The grenades look similar but the other images are ones that you would see in almost any FPS.

Maybe the game is a ripoff, maybe it's not. We don't know yet.

They are so freaking denying that its a rip, just say its a rip people, we've seen everyone from TF2 practically.

@LexMan89: Nice - I didn't realise it was all about religions. Add that to my almost limitless stockpile of useless knowledge.

@masterdingo: Oooo, a video! I shall watch it n- wait, NO.

@Whytookay - Battlecruiser Operational: Valve invented Men. . . Gentlemen.

I have neither played Team Fortress two nor have i fondled an elephant, but i have been accused of being blind. therefore i am an expert on the subject and those two games don't look similar at all.

Korean games in general are an embarrassment to the game industry

desterion

@[ZTF]214A, 2A, 5A, 5B, 5C, 5D, 214B, 214D: An interesting argument... I note, however, that trying to enforce copyright internationally is a bitch, and SK iMedia could well be hedging their bets that Valve will consider them too small to be worth the legal nightmare.

I hadn't considered that angle, though. It is an intriguing possibility.

@Whytookay - Battlecruiser Operational: All that xjesus! :DDDD

@Sabre_Justice: Okay, no more long name.: It's like Bizzaro World, except theirs is sexy.

Dont see a Doc or Engineer!!!!

@Demize99: School taught me that Wiki was a non-reliable source. You fail.

DemonJester13

@sunpop:
I appreciate your effort to try and punctuate, but it only works if you use it most of the time and not some of the time.

And nobody should shut up about anything. That's how opinions work.

lifejolt

@-[[CHoZO]]-: He must be. I'd like to feel bad, but I'd rather go play TF2

DemonJester13

@Dangeresque the Observer: "a trailer that is very frequently shot-for-shot IDENTICAL to another game's"

This is the main reason I don't believe H.A.V.E. online is plagiarism. Because the trailer is so goddamn similar. Think about it: you're a relatively small online game maker and you release a trailer (not a full game, not even a beta) that is very similar to another, vastly more popular product. A product made by a company situated in a very sue happy country. Either SK iMedia is depthlessly retarded or the similarities are only cosmetic.

@Pornosaur: Or how about; "As made famous by"?

@LexMan89: I'd read all that if I weren't blind.

@Sabre_Justice: Okay, no more long name.: That's what I'm saying, man! Who cares if both games have similar demomen - this still looks cool.

Maybe the "elephant" in question will turn out to look exactly like Killzone. Boy, that'd show 'em.

@NitroAML: Valve invested the idea of existing. It was then copied by the FSM, who created the universe.

Whytookay - Battlecruiser Operational

@BubbleF**kingBuddy:
That's hardly what anyone is even saying.

lifejolt

@Harrison is playing FFVIII:
Ok here are it's similarities:
Music Style
One-Eyed Demo-man
Detonation Bomb
Entire Intro movies' perspective
Entire games' concept
Strategy (rocket jumps n' all)
Death Animations
Baseball Bat for the "Scout" class

I'm sure there is a lot more... But that is enough already.

It's only differences are characters, 3rd person, and level design. Oh and it's "sexified".

@Pornosaur: "based on a true shooter"

Why get so pissy about it sure it looks the same plays the same but who cares now I'm wondering with all this bitching about the game going on have the creators of TF2 said anything? Because if anyone should be saying anything about this its them everyone else should just shut up about it.

What about the monster hunter lookalike haven't heard so much about that.

@Demize99:
And yet there was a documentary I've seen where a blind man touches the outside of a building (and eight-sided building) and was then able to draw it, including perspective. It was meant to be a demonstration of how perspective is real but probably goes to show that if this particular blind man was feeling up an elephant he would be able to accurately describe it.

TrjnRabbit

@Maverick: The ripoff claims are just free advertising for H.A.V.E.

Well now, someone who shares my name?

Tell me, are you just an alias, or do you, like I, actually have said name on your birth certifiate? Haha.

@[ZTF]214A, 2A, 5A, 5B, 5C, 5D, 214B, 214D: I have no problem with copying the class-counters idea, I have no problem with copying the cartoony style, I have no problem with making it casual friendly. I DO have a problem with A) doing ALL of these in the same product, and B) having a trailer that is very frequently shot-for-shot IDENTICAL to another game's. That is plagiarism, pure and simple. Oh, and some of the sound effects are noticably copied straight from TF2. That doesn't help their case

Make a new trailer that isn't blatantly copying the trailers of the game that inspired you, and make the differences between the games apparent, and THEN I will accept that it is its own game.

And as for the shooter genre thriving on incremental improvements... my answer would be "yes, but." Yes, but if you made a game about a power armored space marine fighting an alien race that was trying to wipe the galaxy clean using massive structures called "Rings", and the gameplay consisted of dual wielding weapons, driving/hijacking vehicles, and meleeing, Bungie would sue you into the next dimension.

@Lord Raggleus Fraggleus: but it's not rape if you yell surprise...

Whytookay - Battlecruiser Operational

@Josh Faul: It's an expression that many don't use, however, so it's being met with a lot of confusion.

I wish I had a joke for thar last sentence. Preferrably one starting with "That sounds just like last night."

Sadly, I'm better than that.

@bakagaijin: But where would the fun be in that?

Holy shit, that's awesome, I'm going to end every argument like that from now on!

@Dangeresque the Observer: The shooter genre thrives on incremental improvements to a base formula. So yes, I assert that taking TF2 and changing the rules, which fundementally changes the game, does a new game make.

Wait, was that anime action figures with rocket launchers? I want this game.

Also, kudos to our Korean counterparts.

@SansSanity: Dude, it's a TF2 rip-off. I'm SURE it's a kick ass game.

@Roguestriker: Hangul reminds me of Spaghettios.

@zach a mac rack alack: I LOLed even more when I saw that the Demo-man had one eye.

@Alternate: It's a "Boarlephant". You don't know, anyways, you're blind.

@[ZTF]214A, 2A, 5A, 5B, 5C, 5D, 214B, 214D: As I said... a mix so that the whole appears as its own creation. Taking TF2, adding powerups, and changing the models to toy figures does not a new game make.

Also, I play on plenty of servers with "Toy Fortress" maps. How's that for an obvious inspiration?

it looks like an elephant

sundaysatten

@Harrison is playing FFVIII: You know, except how the weapons look EXACTLY like their TF2 counterparts, how the music sounds like it, how some scenes are a scene for scene RIP OFF. Or how the characters holding the bat have the SAME RUNNING ANIMATION AS THE SCOUT.

But you know, other than that.

Evdor

@Dangeresque the Observer: Don't remember resin models in TF2. What server do you play on?

One of these two is not like the other!
One of these two is-Wait?...

@SirFenwick: "There's nothing new under the sun." A debate as old as art. Unfortunately, we consistently prove it to be untrue. A completely original idea is impossible. An artist strives to combine other's ideas in such a way so as to both express their own message and to mix them in such a way so that, while individual parts are identifiable, the whole appears as its own creation.

H.A.V.E. epic failed at this.

@Scallan: You're confusing it with a similar item in the game.

@LexMan89: I don't know whether to call call a troll or follow you...

Fuck it its to late to decide.

@BubbleF**kingBuddy: That's the gist of the argument right there.

Skyman747

But see, what I have already touched is similar to the elephant I touched before. Therefore, I cannot reason that they are not at least similar?

Korean guys, your problem is that while I touched a tusk that belonged to an elephant while it could have belonged to a boar, you still haven't told me its not an elephant.

Alternate

@Scallan: How does that explain why it blew up? And why it then showed a demoman-like figure reloading his demoman-like weapon? Or are you saying it's a power-up for the regular weapon? Still, it has the same features as the TF2 demoman's grenades.

@Harrison is playing FFVIII: I am glad I am not the only one who thinks this is ridiculous.

Skyman747

@BubbleF**kingBuddy: Valve invented inventing.

@Kenny: Not unless they stick their hand up it's bum and yell SURPRISE!

@You Are My Friend!: Steamy Mountainside Spring mod? Ooooh, sexy.

@Roguestriker: No wonder that those characters look NOTHING like the ones from TF2, THEY'RE ALL BLIND! They didn't even make a proper ripoff! They SHOULD be ashamed.

@Echo_Hotel: I was going to expand on that with a penis touching joke then thought it would be too lazy. Then got too lazy to make the lazy joke.

I'm gonna go to bed now.

Peter Strauss

At this point I would be loving the term "inspired by"

Pornosaur

@SirFenwick: Seriously? The 90s was full of rip-offs. Play some of the "different" platformers on different systems and tell me they're not basically the same game. RPGs too for that matter. I know they had limitations in what they could do, but there was just as much copying back then.

bangbangblah

Korean online posts and forums are very vicious.. they have led to lawsuits and other much more unfortunate incidents in Korea.. Being a smaller market/country.. the sites and opinions are rather close knit and it reaches the person/company in question much sooner and more often than in the US.

@BubbleF**kingBuddy: Let us not start defending this atrocity.

-[[CHoZO]]-

Even just looking at the character models in the comparison video it was plain as day that they followed the TF2 model pretty much exactly. I'm not saying that is a bad thing as TF2 is phenomenal, but really, even the cinematic is very nearly a direct rip off and that is where I see them getting in trouble.

Chaos_Bringer

@Harrison is playing FFVIII: Uh....no. I felt even the music was oddly similar.

-[[CHoZO]]-

@Demize99: Knowledge speaks.

jookie

@santasassassin: The EVERYONE, man. I'm sure there's a spy/medic planned too. Also, note the mini-gun design.

dreamparacite

@[ZTF]214A, 2A, 5A, 5B, 5C, 5D, 214B, 214D: And, you can get your head stuck in its ass?

+ Watch video

masterdingo

@BubbleF**kingBuddy: Black angry Scottish cyclops*

@Chozothebozo: Are you a PS3 owner?

-[[CHoZO]]-

@[ZTF]214A, 2A, 5A, 5B, 5C, 5D, 214B, 214D: that too

@cornunderscore2x: thats what she said

@Demize99: Expanding on that. one blind man takes the tail and says an elephant is like a rope, another touches a leg and describes it as a tree and another grabs the trunk and says an elephant is like a snake.

Echo_Hotel

@santasassassin: You mean generic angry Scotsman?

@LexMan89: dammit, was going to post something similar to this. colbert used it.

@zach a mac rack alack:

You know that the one on the left is a power-up right?

Scallan

Valve invented Sniping and Grenades.

*AHEM*

The Blind Men and the Elephant, by John Godfrey Saxe

It was six men of Indostan
To learning much inclined,
Who went to see the Elephant
(Though all of them were blind),
That each by observation
Might satisfy his mind

The First approached the Elephant,
And happening to fall
Against his broad and sturdy side,

At once began to bawl:
"God bless me! but the Elephant
Is very like a wall!"
The first blind man of six blind men feels the side of the elephant and interprets it as a wall.

The Second, feeling of the tusk,
Cried, "Ho! what have we here
So very round and smooth and sharp?
To me 'tis mighty clear
This wonder of an Elephant
Is very like a spear!"

The Third approached the animal,
And happening to take
The squirming trunk within his hands,
Thus boldly up and spake:
"I see," quoth he, "the Elephant
Is very like a snake!"

The Fourth reached out an eager hand,
And felt about the knee.
"What most this wondrous beast is like
Is mighty plain," quoth he;
"'Tis clear enough the Elephant
Is very like a tree!"

The Fifth, who chanced to touch the ear,
Said: "E'en the blindest man
Can tell what this resembles most;
Deny the fact who can
This marvel of an Elephant
Is very like a fan!"

The Sixth no sooner had begun
About the beast to grope,
Than, seizing on the swinging tail
That fell within his scope,
"I see," quoth he, "the Elephant
Is very like a rope!"

And so these men of Indostan
Disputed loud and long,
Each in his own opinion
Exceeding stiff and strong,
Though each was partly in the right,
And all were in the wrong!

So oft in theologic wars,
The disputants, I ween,
Rail on in utter ignorance
Of what each other mean,
And prate about an Elephant
Not one of them has seen

tl;dr
We haven't seen gameplay, so we don't know what the game is really like.

LexMan89

3 blind men are walking in a forest when they notice the presence of an animal on the rode. If they could see they would know its an elephant, but lacking sight they decided to feel it out. The first man grabs the trunk, and says to the rest "Its a snake! A big one!" The second touches the ears, and says "No no, hold on, its a bat, i just touched its big leathery wings." The third goes for the legs and replys "B.S. its a rhino i can tell by the legs. The blind men argue, and the elephant decides to kill all 3. The noise was annoying, and he didn't quite like getting groped.

JillianGeben

I'm sure we'll all be able to tell the difference between TF2 and Have Online. One will suck something awful, the other will be TF2. It will be pretty clear cut.

@cornunderscore2x: And... and rough...?

That comparison video is grasping at straws. "Oh look they have a bat that's a ripoff. Oh look a sniper rifle that's a rip off"

This argument is stupid. You could easily say that any WW2 shooter ripped of any other WW2 shooter.

The blind men touching an elephant is an old saying. Each man touches one part of the elephant and describes it drastically different to the other men. They are all in disagreement on what they're touching and none of them knows the whole truth.

Josh Faul

The Blind men and an elephant is an old Indian parable. Each blind man touches a different part of a huge elephant and describes the elephant as something completely different. None of the blind men can see the whole picture.

Congratulations core gamers, you've just been insulted and you didn't even know it.

[en.wikipedia.org]

Demize99

Come on people, read a book. That bit about blind men and an elephant? They're referring to a classic story.

[en.wikipedia.org]

Of course, they're still wrong and big 'old rip offs, but STILL...

Grampybone

If your going to let a blind man touch an elephant, you better damn well make sure he doesn't touch the wrong place.

From what I saw of the trailer, I think they're opinion in difference in gameplay is that it plays in Third Person.

I think the game should be given a fair chance before people completely disregard it...

Then again that's like hoping the internet would become a place of reasonable discussions

SansSanity

Finally some news! I've been dying out here.

Does look like a rip off. The grenades were the most, I lol'd when I saw how similar they are.

Yeah, I don't think it's going to copy TF2 in gameplay... it's going to suck more

Alright, so let me get this straight. Japan likes tentacle rape while Korea likes... blind elephant rape?

what kind of response is that? it's true though... we do need to see some official gameplay and not prerendered and/or scripted trailers. even if the gameplay IS similar to TF2, it will be nothing like it. as a korean game, expect all kinds of micro transactions for more guns, health buffs, more characters, different outfits, different sounds, different levels, colored names, etc

Hm, I'm calling hidden elephant sex game in H.A.V.E. Online.

@SirFenwick: Not this much. The demoman, man.

santasassassin

Does it really matter? The only games that didn't rip anyone else off was in the 80's and 90's.

It's... big?

In other words not only is SK iMedia an embarrassment to the Korean game industry but blind Koreans?

Roguestriker

@FearfulInsomniac: So how long have you worked for SK iMedia?

Rockabully

@hobblinharry: I think they're very much relying on the fact that it's a third person shooter, and not a first person shooter, and new character models to prove that they didn't completely rip off tf2, which they obviously did.

Rockabully

@hurpdurp: Oh wow, I know it's hella late now but damn. I feel like an idiot! >.<

I usually pay close attention to that stuff. >.>

LOL BS! So what your trying to say is that other Koreans are "Trolling" or "Player Hating" the other company. Because lets review really about games ripping off other games really.

Blizzard ripped Warcraft off from Games Workshop's Warhammer series. Then Frogstar ripped off Warcraft.

here's a good one!!

Question : What came first Shinobi or Ninja Gaiden?

Answer : its... neither Ninja Spirit pre-dated them, releasing in Japanese arcade in Winter 1986 then to NEC TTI system in 1988. Oddly the same year Ninja Gaiden released in Japanese arcades also.

Basically one can go on and on for days even years citing all these copies / knockoffs. All I gotta say is grow the hell up and stop feeding the troll. BTW where is the out cry from the Korean game industry when developers from Korea made knockoffs of Lineage & Diablo. Soo funny to see an industry troll itself.

cippycup

wow big freakin woop. really how is this copying? since a girl doll is running with a gun, its copying scout? Just cuz a sniper is aiming at a heavy it's copying TF2? LOL.. like are you serious? I don't even know why some south koreans are pissed off. If you don't like it, don't play it. like one guy said before, the grenades are the closest thing but since when did TF2 patent the scout, demoman, heavy, sniper, soldier etc..?

Elliot Kwan

SSSSSSSSSSOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO-...

If you make a multiplayer game with cartoonish characters killing each other with bats, guns, and rockets; you've stolen from Team Fortress 2?

Nobody tell that to Valve, they'd have to sue everyone the entire industry, seeing as Team Fortress 2 was the first time any of those ideas were realized in videogame form.

Yeah.

@BubbleF**kingBuddy: ur dumb

@ShaSt One: Valve invented double-jumping, pipebombs, and personality.

@oby: I CAN'T TELL THE DIFFERENCE! WHICH ONE DO WE SHOOT?!

@fuchikoma: I actually do suspect suspect that HAVE was developed over some Valve code, but your argument is so well stated that it has almost changed my mind...

Saying that "it's going to be totally different!" is a common defense of this sort of thing. it's not going to be that different. at most, it'll probably be "different enough to be technically non-infringing."

@You Are My Friend!: Would that be a sex game with a hidden elephant or an elephant sex game that is hard to find?

@Kenny: I wonder if "having blind men touching an elephant" was just translated poorly, or if their everyday parlance actually IS that dirty.

4xis.black

@-[[CHoZO]]-: What if he's a Wii owner?

@SansSanity: Can we consider your point proven with these two statements? :/

All I think that needs to be said is that until someone ACTUALLY PLAYS THIS GAME... we can't tell if it's a TF2 rip-off. And even then, I'm sure you can spin it to "Yes it is" and "No it isn't." So I'm just gonna say for now, its just another RTS, and Kotaku is just looking to cause a scene when they KNOW it's a stupid thing to do. Or, maybe they are ignorant. Not questioning the power of Ashcraft, questioning whether Kotaku should stupidly allow this kind of stuff up. I dunno, maybe I'm wrong, and they all HAVE played this game, and then, you know, I'd be wrong. But oddly enough, I don't think they have. ;)

... H.A.V.E. has girls.
TF is a sausage fest.

HAVE wins in my book.

@SirFenwick: Frankly I don't give a crap, looks like it's fun. so what if they borrowed a style, there are piles of counterstrike rips and no one has really cared.

sereal

@sentroshi: I didn't shoot it, I just saw it a few months ago on Youtube.

masterdingo

@BubbleF**kingBuddy: Show me the shooter with a double-jumping, baseball bat wielding scout, a rocket jumping soldier with an oversized helmet, and a cyclops shooting pipebombs, and you'd be showing me either Team Fortress2 or H.A.V.E. Online.

Above all that, it's just the personality. TF2 has one of the most unique personalities around. If you can't see that this game is attempting to copy that, you've been bonked in the head one too many times.

@Harrison is playing FFVIII: I simply cannot believe anybody denying that this is a rip off, besides the developers, who are hiding their shame.

One-eyed demoman cyclops shooting pipe bombs?
Soldier sporting an oversized helmet, rocket jumping away with his rocket launcher?
Double-jumping scout with a BASEBALL BAT?
And throw in the random minigun wielding creepy anime chick to boot?
All complemented by nearly identical animations and sounds?

Is it that hard? You really don't see it? What you're doing right now is like failing a perception test for 1st graders. It's not like we're dealing with the Pyro's gender here, it's not rocket science (well, except for the Soldier).

@DemonJester13: College taught me that Wiki is a valuable source to students and professors alike. Profs use the citations within the wiki entries and provide them to students since those are reliable sources.

@TrjnRabbit:

I saw that documentry I think it was about humans with amazing abilities or something but, what he touched was a model.

rancher8

@You Are My Friend!: yeah, I wouldn't put it past them to rip off the hidden rhino sex game in TF2

@SlackJawed Yokel: The original Team Fortress was released in 1995, and most of the characters are just common stereotypes. The Sniper is based on the game hunter from Jurassic Park, for instance. The Demoman is a generic angry Scotsman. The medic is a common mad German scientist. And on and on and on...

The game is well done, but it's "influences" are all over the place. You're accusing these people of doing exactly what everyone else does to get by.

@masterdingo: If this were in better quality, I wouldn't mind.

You know, I can remember the days where we actually waited before calling a game a rip off of another until after a release, just so we could experience it and make the call for ourselves. Now, we're comparing trailers and videos without even as much of an actual taste of the game. Not only that, but there are TONS of games out there that rip off other games, yet no one cries fowl over them. Maybe I've been playing video and computer games too long, but maybe everyone who's getting agitated about the whole thing needs to learn what really makes a game enjoyable, instead of screaming "NOOBS" in their headsets when a rocket makes them a bloody mess of gibs.

In lesser words, everyone who instantly turns to knocking a product without even trying it needs to chill.

@slash128: "With the same example Yu Suzuki could take action against the creators of Tekken or any other 3D fighting game. See how ridiculous this is?"

Yu would've had a point. VF moves are ripped of by Tekken and a bunch of other games frame by frame. That backward flying flip kick & Wolf's Giant Swing come to mind. The Giant Swing might have some basis in reality but that kick? No way. Somebody just grabbed that & ran.

I still just don't see it.

@DemonJester13: You can always go to a library to verify information. There's nothing wrong or academically improper with using Wikipedia as a jumping off or starting point for research with print media or electronic sourced works. It makes finding relevant materials at the library easier when you know what you're looking for. You can use various things in the entry for keywords when using electronic databases at the library.

But here's a link from a Princeton University .edu page, just for you.
[www.cs.princeton.edu]

onikuwagata

@SlackJawed Yokel: The correct answer to your last sentence is "The Agency".

@[ZTF]214A, 2A, 5A, 5B, 5C, 5D, 214B, 214D: You've not seen my femengie then.

What's most interesting about this is that the HAVE trailer is REALLY well made... I can't for the life of me understand why a CG company this talented would rip of both the character design AND trailer design and pull it off so well...

I wonder if this isn't an indicator of something much more insidious. Someone should do a closer analysis on the ANIMATION of this trailer to see if any TF2 animations were "appropriated" from the game.

mechadeath

@DRaGZ: To be fair here, a lot of people are very critical of Yoko Kanno's entire musical career, because she borrows very heavily from other people's music. I think a really good example of this is to compare "Mushroom Hunting" from Cowboy Bebop to "Let the Good Shine" from DJ Food.

onikuwagata

@Chaos_Bringer:
That's funny because I don't remember the doll-jointed anime girl models in TF2, much less ones that could just pick up a weapon and change class...

The graphical style is somewhat similar to Re-Volt (1999) though.

They're obviously going for the same type of game, but a lot of what people are calling a ripoff is pretty tenuous actually - HAVE seems to have a powerup that gives you a minigun. TF2 has a minigun-armed class. Ripoff? Well, Wolfenstein 3D has a minigun too, so TF2 rips off Wolf3D? HAVE has a shock grenade that happens to be cylindrical with glowing blue ends. So it's a ripoff of TF2's explosive grenade with glowing red ends? If that's so, then TF2 rips Quake 1 off since their grenade is a carbon copy of Quake's... (makes sense with TF originally being a Quake mod.) People are just overreacting at this point - I think mostly just because the game has simplified clean looking graphics instead of being another brown, gritty FPS which ironically be so much of a copy no one would even agree on what they're copying from...

I don't think it's a rip off at all. It's a game about toy dolls killing each other in an anime lolita style. Not like TF2 at all. There are similar character classes, but c'mon - every big team shooter has snipers and miniguns in it these days.

EdwinJ85

I can't be bothered to type out all the similiarities but if you really think this game doesn't steal directly from TF2 you are a little bit dense.

AMonkey