Man Arrested For Sharing “Violent Sex” Game

@Jim81Jim: except rapelay as far as ive heard doesnt have any age-questionable characters and for some reason i cant uncheck publish on facebook...

Kougeru Matsuoka

@xxXX_Insanities_Birth_XXxx: Were you aware that Japan, the country where most disturbing porn originates, also has one of the lowest sexual crime rates? You're entitled to your own views, but I believe this sort of thing can be used as a form of relief for those with odd and immoral fetishes, preventing them from actually carrying out rape. Virtual rape is no more immoral than virtual murder.

Sooku

@Antiterra: www.instantrimshot.com

Alternate

@dracosummoner: That's a good point actually. A lot of games allow you to kill people, but most of the time there's some kind of reasoning behind it so your character doesn't feel like a totally depraved murdering nutcase. Even in the likes of Manhunt, GTA, etc, the people you're tasked to kill are often morally corrupt, and if you kill innocents in GTA, you'll end up wanted by the law. This on the other hand is essentially a rape simulator with what I'm guessing is little to no plot, and your victims are invariably young, innocent girls who have no recourse to the player's actions.

firefly

Sucks for the rest of us ;(

@ShimodaNexus: Just think of it as the japanese ESRB.

He should'nt have copied that.... whatever it is. *busts a rhyme*

cfive3

@Misanthropic Gamer: Besides the fact that "killing" and "murder" are two different things, I think one issue may be this: There are plenty of games that give you the freedom to kill innocent people (I assume you're speaking of "murder" as the killing of innocent people, not as "wartime killing," or "self-defense killing," etc.), but those games usually portray this sort of murder as wrong. (I realize that there are exceptions.) Games like the one above, however, condone and glorify rape. I'm not saying that it is "right" to have a double-standard in which rape games are banned but games that openly glorify outright murder are not; I'm just trying to make hypotheses as to the thought processes behind these two different stances.

Geez, wonder kind of sentence you get for putting a rape game on the internet LOL.

Most pornography now a days is nothing more than Prostitution. They pays girls to have sex, only in front of a video camera, then sell the edited tape and call it a "movie". No plot, no meaningful dialog, no contribution to society. That said, this is ridiculous. It is a fantasy game, just like the myriad of FPS's out there; no one is actually being hurt, no one is being forced into sexual acts, etc. Sometimes the law has trouble distinguishing real from imaginary crime. It may be distasteful, but in the US at least it should fall under the protection of the First Amendment to the Constitution.

bornonce

These games have been around for a while and people are getting arrested in Japan for distribution NOW? If that was the case in the US almost everyone would be arrested for pirating games/music/vids. But its ok that Japan still sells R4's in vending machines...

@MadMinstrel: I have to agree with what you say there. America has a big issue with dealing with criminals by not giving out appropriate punishments. The prisons would be less full and there would be less crimes if people were scared of their actions actually having consequences. We don't have a prison population problem we have a action/reaction problem.

Legislating morality is a problem in a mostly "amoral" society in the sense where there is no one strict way to do things.
The only way that works is in a Theocracy where outsiders are not allowed in.
America was founded on Biblical principles, but the fact that people have rights to do what they want doesn't support that. In the end, the basis of the government may be good, but it's going to eventually degrade because it isn't a Theocracy so the government has no basis on which to legislate the morality.
In governments like ours, you really can't legislate morality that doesn't directly affect others, because you have no basis to defend it with. Proven issues like drinking, etc, that can affect others is one thing, but what a person does at home, no matter how immoral to one group or another, can't be regulated because the government has no right to step in there.

Playing Rapelay is no different than thinking it. Now, the actual production of the game, for sale, can be regulated if so deemed by some organization, but if some random person wants to put it online for free, there is really nothing that can be done about it.
As soon as you start regulating morality that has no provable affect on those around the person committing it, that leads directly into the concept of thought police. Are we going to start punishing people because they think of killing someone or raping an underage girl? you can only punish people for their actions against other people, not their thoughts or actions against a computer screen. (that sounds weird...lol)

All you moral rightist, are forgetting one crucial point. All pornography is in essence rape. You are forcing something into a situation they would not do otherwise, either induced by money, drugs, or physical and emotional violence. If people would do these things with you normally, then you wouldn't need pornography. You can't just malign rape depictions, and then say its ok for a producer to give a surgically abused woman cocaine to have sex with a stranger as long as the depictions don't involve rape. Gay for pay is another money induced "rape".

cokpendejo

@Witzbold: I'm just enjoying watching him move the goalposts and set up straw men.

@xxXX_Insanities_Birth_XXxx: But see, file sharing is only a valid defense for games that are on the market, stuff that has copyright protection. Rapelay is now a banned game and therefore cannot be sold which therefore has no copy-"rights". Distributing it online is not breaking any laws because it can't be sold so you are not stealing from the company who made it.
This is obviously an indirect way to get at the game's content, not get someone for sharing files.
If that were the case, every police bust for illegal file distribution would be just as prominent in the news. I'm sure every case doesn't get such a big scene made about it.

@SPECIALciaNAPKIN: TMI

The rape train has no brakes

@Mromson: 100+++ I like this text, everything I stand for.

Sig R.

@slamdance: I'm with you on this one. As...distasteful as games like that may be to me, to each his own, and there are people who are into that kinda thing.

ShimodaNexus

@reynoldswrap: So that's like that Comic rating board symbol? So, like in that one Spiderman comic where it talked about Harry Osborn abusing drugs, they can just do without the symbol and release the product anyway?

ShimodaNexus

@slim934: Such a bleak outlook on society.

"As to corporations..they shouldn't even be on that little greater than...you mean private citizens."

Your analysis is incorrect. A corporation IS an entity unto itself, separate from (a) private citizen(s).

RONIN013

@Perfec7: Assuming you mean non-forced intercourse (we're adults here, so yeah), yeah, I'd agree.

ShimodaNexus

@slim934:

I dunno about YOU. But I live in a Country called "Norway", maybe you've heard of it? And here, the general notion is People>Government FOR THE PEOPLE>Corporations

aka; people > all

>File sharing is illegal in Japan.

Distopical world, Japan is.

Zelmor

Having beaten Rapelay... >.> That is definitely it. That is all.

@AnalysisDialysis (and a MudkipNDS):
I prefer public debates. ;)

It makes them much more... Public.

<_<

@xxXX_Insanities_Birth_XXxx: Actually if you knew what you were talking about you would know that things have gotten better.

@Mromson:

hahahaha. People>than government?

What fantasy land do you live in?
Look at the policies that industrial governments institute against their citizens and tell me they actually work for our behalf. That whole notion is inherently silly. A geographical monopolist in the production of force working on my behalf.

HA! It's like arguing for the legitimacy of neighborhood mobster, who offers you protection or else he breaks your legs. He clearly does it for "your own good".

As to corporations..they shouldn't even be on that little greater than or less than comparison because you already mentioned them. Namely, because corporations are also "the people", if by "the people" you mean private citizens.

slim934

@Hypernetic:

p.s. At least he didn't say "GTA made me do it" like everyone else these days.

I think whenever a gamer breaks the law they should say "Jack Thompson made me do it" and then file a class action lawsuit against him, blaming him for everything from 9/11 to whatever happened yesterday.

Hypernetic

@Deaf Mute: Yeah, you didn't know?

...Well, actually, I only knew about such a thing, but never actually PM'd anyone.

Hardly anyone checks their own PM page though, so kinda useless. :P

Again, it's under "Messages" on your personal account page.

@Misanthropic Gamer: Exactly - we as a species ARE better than that. I think that most of us have certain intrinsic Moral Shields that let distinguish right from wrong. The suggestion that some medium is able to bring out a criminal act in one exposure is ridiculous.

RONIN013

@Mromson: +1 for your rational well thought out arguments.

and @xxXX_Insanities_Birth_XXxx, it's good to see that you are willing to learn from and opposing viewpoint to your own... that's a strong characteristic.

to return to an earlier point where violent pornographic games and rap music were likened to guns, and it was implied that all could lead on to a crime, so banning them all would be a positive step in crime prevention;

Whereas I am a firm believer in gun control (for reasons beyond mere crime prevention... though that's an argument for another time), I also see how guns are in a completely different league to rap music and Rape simulators, for one major reason: A gun can be used to physically kill someone. It's purpose is fairly simple, you point it at things which you want to die (or arguably, be scared away).
Now you have Rape games and Rap, both of which have a less definable purpose. Something they both do is provide a release of tension... an angry teenager might listen to the rap and identify with the lyrics... something that might put him at ease (whereas had he not had that release he may have gone out and beat the shit out of someone),
likewise, with a rape game a would-be rapist might get his kicks and satisfy his curiosity on something virtual, rather than some tragic incident occur in reality... and that's far more preferable...
One thing neither of these can do though is physically harm someone... short of snapping a Public Enemy CD or Rapelay game disc in half and shanking someone in the throat...

Just had to get that bit off my chest!

By all means though, continue this debate, it's quite an interesting read thus far!

exion

@laencythe:

Yah, why is that LOL Japan?

And also, not that I support these kind of games, but what is inherently "wrong" with them? When this guy said he did nothing "wrong" I'm fairly certain he was speaking as to the law and not to your own stupid sense of morality. Nobody cares about your morality.

Hypernetic

@slamdance: Hidetoshi Fukuzawa was arrested for illegally sharing a game via the internet. The game happened to be erotic.

RONIN013

Wow, they're really getting serious about this over there, uh?!

@Mromson:

@xxXX_Insanities_Birth_XXxx:
Excellent exchange of ideas Ladies and/or Gentlemen. I congratulate you both for stating your cases in a logical and civil manner, especially on such a delicate subject.

I understand both of your views, however, I lean more towards Mromson end of the scale. While I do agree we need a certain minimum amount of laws to maintain order in our society, we do not need laws to mandate every aspect of our lives, nor do we need laws to direct us how to feel, think or act. Rather, we need laws to maintain a minimum level of decency towards each other.

Violent subject matter is definitely a slippery slope, but, like all things, this can go either way: help or hurt. We should have the ability to choose whether or not we do or do not execute an action, rather than have the option taken away from us.

You should be able to exercise your freedom to whatever, in the privacy of your own home, as long as it does not infringe on another person's freedom. Period.

RONIN013

@AnalysisDialysis (and a MudkipNDS): We have PMs?!?

Murder is worse than rape, right? Why is it then, that a rape game is banned, while a game where you're free to kill is allowed? If you're going to bullshit, then at least bullshit consistently. I know it's cliché to invoke Orwell, but "thoughtcrime" is getting closer and closer to becoming a punishable offense with every passing day.

Whatever happened to freedom of expression? This is getting ridiculous. I mean, would they ban Mario if some psychotic kid jumped on a tortoise at the zoo? Of course not. The vast majority of people are mentally stable enough not be influenced to commit crimes based on what they see in a movie, game, book, or any other medium. It's insulting to suggest that criminality is just beneath the surface, and that it'd take a single game depicting rape to cause an otherwise normal man to go out and commit the act in reality. I'd like to think we as a species are better than that.

@xxXX_Insanities_Birth_XXxx: You say mild violence and sex should be allowed because it's 'normal'. What is actually 'normal'? Can you point to a single 'normal' person? Would you poll your neighborhood about what they think is normal? Would you actually check what the statistical, objective norm is? How would you do that? What size sample would you consider? Your family? Your friends? Your neighborhood? Town? Country? The whole world? Because you'd find a different norm in each. What about places where, say, cannibalism is still practiced? And then there's this 'EXTREME' content you speak of. What is extreme? Until relatively recently girls would be married to their husbands at ridiculous ages like 13 and it was considered normal, in Europe no less. I doubt many girls wanted to be married at that age, so that makes it rape and pedophilia. Would you define extreme as stuff that the statistical majority of people say they don't like? That would lead to banning almost everything because the majority of anything is made for a minority of people. Or would you rather dictate what is good and what isn't in an authoritarian fashion? Fine. But then, why you? Why not me? I mean, we're equal here. And so is everybody else. So why not split up the domain and let each person have a place where they decide what is right and what is wrong. I'd suggest limiting that place to your immediate surrounding, otherwise known as a home. Let's put laws in place so that we don't infringe on each other's sovereignty and punish those who do. Seems fair, doesn't it?

Is so funny, this games must have been for like 3 years in share, now they arrest this poor random pervert to continue their witch hunt. I hope the 2ch comunity really wins this media attack and all those "righteus" organizations just crash and burn.

@pandafresh:It's actually true, because that first girl there has blue hair in the normal game.

jasonliang

@Mromson: You could just PM each other via Kotaku...

It's under "Messages" on your personal account page.

@MikoKeZ: Yes, exactly.

Nothing to do with morality, people. Just file... sharing...

>_>
<_<

*Shifty eyes*

That's it. I'm switching to local ad-hoc sharing via flash drive. I'm not getting screwed over one more time.

@xxXX_Insanities_Birth_XXxx:

I suppose I should say get Steam. But then again, I could easily debate on why you shouldn't get it as well, so oh well.

Consoles however... >_>

@Mromson: I don't use steam. I'm a console gamer.

We'll keep talking here so just bookmark the page if you wish to carry on the discussion.

xxXX_Insanities_Birth_XXxx

@Billkwando bought his tickets for Hyde's US tour: Actually it's more of a post to state that most people don't research things and you can form opinions on things without tons of research. Hell do you research everything you read in the paper or on the news?
Do you personally check the theories of every scientific research that is commonly accepted?

Way to over blow it but seriously it was just an expression of an opinion followed by a debate. No one had to debate with me and it could have just ended there. Seems like you've formed an opinion on me but have you researched me? Do you even know me in person? Oh my god a hypocrite!

Actually I already have if you've read above, it was sankaku complex but as I debated with the others we revealed it was actually child porn (real) and not hentai.

xxXX_Insanities_Birth_XXxx

@xxXX_Insanities_Birth_XXxx:

I'll be more than happy to continue this debate at a later point if you so choose. ;) Steam_ID is Mromson, or just continue the debate here.

@xxXX_Insanities_Birth_XXxx: I read that as "Hey dude, it doesn't matter that I refuse to do research and have no first-hand experience with the subject at hand. I have a right to express my opinion, no matter how ignorant & ill-informed it is!.....and you're gonna listen!!!"

I'd really like to know who confiscated the hentai from the Akihabara stores. Care to cite at least one of your sources? No?

cereal fuckin bidnez. way too cereal.

asdf4321

Is rape disgusting? Yes.
Should rapist be executed? I'm for it.
However, should simulated rape games be banned? While in extremely poor taste, no crime has been committed, except illegal file sharing, but if its a banned game, no on is selling it, so who's loosing out on the money?

In summary, if he was arrested for file sharing, I can understand that, but arrested for a disgusting game is a little to big brother fascist for me.

slamdance

@Mromson: I'm not debating this stuff anymore since I've debated long enough. I'm still going to read your post and take it to heart though.

xxXX_Insanities_Birth_XXxx

@MugiMugi: Thanks for the update, someone else told me this earlier too.

xxXX_Insanities_Birth_XXxx

@xxXX_Insanities_Birth_XXxx:
Never said rapists don't have a choice. But it's still a compulsion; kind of like our sex drive. Men have generally a stronger compulsion.

My point with the law part is that just because it's a law, doesn't mean it's right. If you can't rationalize the law, then it's no good. By making things people want to do illegal, you're simply ignoring the problem (if there is one), not fixing it.

And not all drugs are bad, some just come with the "happy pill" effect, without the addiction. And they're not illegal because they're bad - they're illegal because our fear that it will spread to worse and addicting things.

We can't live in a society where everything we don't understand is simply swept under the rug and banned. Because it won't fix anything. We need to study and investigate things before we charge on with legal action, so we can learn how to regulate it.

And as said before; people who are easily influenced in our society will get influenced by ANYTHING. There's no real and effective way to stop it beyond educating people better and teach them how to control compulsions.

Laws are there to mandate order, not fictitious reason.

And especially with the Internet age, we CANNOT ban content. Because even the simplest censorship leads us all to China, where the sharing of information and content is monitored and restricted by someone who acts on his moral and/or religious beliefs without even asking the right questions.

By banning things, you simply throw the law out - leaving the black market to deal with peoples demands.

@Archaneus: Well even if that is the case I don't feel I'd change my mind. People who want rape should also be able to 'get off' to regular sex and I'd rather they limit themselves rather than we assume they need to be provided for and appeased.

I agree it may be possible though and I'll think on it. And the facts I stated weren't made up, they were tests done by people just like you stated. Your the one who is stating all my previously known tests are wrong without even knowing which ones so is that not you who is forming an opinion before even knowing what I am pertaining to? I am willing to listen to you and I do accept your opinion so there is no 'dogma' in me merely having my own opinion.

Anyway I doubt I'll debate this much more cos there's only so many times people can say 'your wrong' before you have to stop and think about it so that's what I'll do. No more debating from me okay.

xxXX_Insanities_Birth_XXxx

All this talk about moral decay in Japan..
Well I bet you can walk down the street in Japan without somebody saying "what're you looking at?" or dickheads being drunk in broad day light. How about gangs of 12-18 year old kids having free run of the country without being challenged. Did I mention how 99.9% of people being insanely rude with unfounded prided stuck up their ass?
I've just described the f*cking United Kingdom for you.

So yeah forget porn and rape and crap. Sort out the fecking people. People are moral decay not sex.

@xxXX_Insanities_Birth_XXxx: Your very confused sir.

No Rape and Loli is not banned. Real Child porn possession was banned. Loli is not, Same with Rape. What you misunderstand here is that the industry is SELF regulating itself it's not a law.

@xxXX_Insanities_Birth_XXxx: You are wildly wrong in your very foundational assumption. Every single study that has been reported to find that violent games encourage violence has either been misreported and the creators of the study have bitched about it or their methodology has been called into question for lack of a control, etc. There is no legitimate link there and the only studies that actually are unquestioned in their methods or reported results have found the exact opposite. The exact same is true of the relationship between porn and rape. I can't be any more tactful about this, you are 100% wrong in both cases according to all the evidence. Drop your dogma and base your opinions on facts instead of formulating your opinion and then making up facts to back it up.

@milford: It's not odd that this is the case. It's exactly the trend that has been found in numerous studies about this very subject. The availability of porn reduces sexual crime, ostensibly because there is an alternative outlet for these feelings that would lead someone to that action. The people who cry out for censorship just don't know what the hell they are talking about. They are operating from a flawed premise based on a false understanding of psychology, probably heavily due to certain religious notions of purity that have worked their way into the broader culture.

@MadMinstrel: I never said we had to ban everything so way to jump the gun MR minstrel. I'd allow games with violence and sex since those things are natural and everyone encounters violence and sex in there life (or at least most) but extreme content of sexual violence and rape of children etc. just has no good to come of it.

Reactionary crime prevention huh? Give them guns, give them child porn, give them everything they need to commit a crime and when they've done it. When the victim is dead or scarred, then we can do something. I'm not saying it's all bad since that's pretty much how we have to do it but I just think providing the paedophiles and rapists games to fuel there evil thoughts is a bit of a risky game. It's a 50/50 gamble on whether they'll be satiated or fuelled by it. I respect freedom too but we already live in a society with laws, what's so wrong with a law that doesn't allow child porn?

Well I'd have to study whether it's actually more likely to satiate there lusts or just inspire them but that's practically impossible so I doubt I will.

@Mromson: No, he commits crime cos he wants money to fuel his habbit. Rather than get a better job he is too busy trying to get a quick fix so he goes for the quick option of robbing. The act was illegal from the start so why would he commit a crime just because he wanted more? I'm not saying ALL drug takers are wild crime commiting idiots but I think even someone doing it illegally can sit on his bed and take the drugs so why would making it legal change that?

Well violent games have under many studies shown that they increase violence. I'm making a 'WILD' assumption that this goes for other things like rape games too. I agree but then why should we give these people who are easily influence rape games?

You seem to think these people have absolutely no choice and are bound to be rapists. I know they can't choose whether they are a paedophile or not but they can choose whether they persue that, and by giving them games of rape and child porn I feel we are making it seem acceptable.

I'll partly agree with you on this issue. I'll think about it more but for the most part I don't think satiating these kind of people is a good idea.

xxXX_Insanities_Birth_XXxx

Videogames are custom made for doing things that you would never do, or even want to do, in real life.

I would never kill someone, but I take great pleasure in virtually killing people in games. And there's no shortage of games that let me kill people in creative and violent ways.

I'd be more worried about people acting out what they see in a GTA game than a hentai game. And I'm not worried about either, because there's never been a causal relationship shown between fantasy violence and real violence.

puffa469

@amake: and the patch was probably made by an american, ironnnyyyyy.

pandafresh

@MikoKeZ:
Nihon has been hilarious, in terms of... everything...

Jake Chow

@MadMinstrel:

ooo! Yes! Lets ban pens! I hate those things!

@Chibirazi: Yes I did. Look at the verry bottom of my post to you
@xxXX_Insanities_Birth_XXxx:

So on other words your complaining I wouldn't ban violence enough but your opinion is that I shouldn't ban anything? AS I've stated I wouldn't ban everything (because as some have expressed I shouldn't have full control of everyones pass times) so I would allow mild violence and none violent sex. Sorry to disappoint you but that's not the worst thing in the world considering what your telling me I shouldn't even be commenting on (child porn).
I take the view that EXTREME content has a damaging impact but for more mild content there is little impact due to the fact that this stuff is natural. Everyone has sex and most people get in fights so it's normal but do we need to say that just because this stuff is okay people should be allowed child porn and rape stuff?

Your an absolute idiot. We already have censors. Movies have been banned, stuff pulled from TV, racist slurs made illegal etc. We are censored in very mild ways but your obviously oblivious to it. I'm sorry your so saddened by the fact that I based my opinion on not altering the entire society to just my views and taking into account most people want this content but just not allowing the more extreme forms. You can cry if you want, go on let it out that others have a different opinion to you.

Actually I was identifying how pornography and games had become more violent. How you can claim we had games 100's of years ago computers which make pornography widely available to kids with no effort shows what an idiot you are. I don't remember fuedal japan having video games like rapelay but be my guest and prove me wrong. The fact you can't go a single argument without insults shows the kind of man I'm dealing with. You talk about civilized society yet your not even civil yourself. Go back to pretending society is perfect and nothing wrong ever happens.

Besides you act like I'm saying society is dead (a huge jump on your part) when I merely stated in one facet of one society there had been some moral bankruptcy in my opinion. That ofcourse being child porn being widely available in japan.

xxXX_Insanities_Birth_XXxx

@xxXX_Insanities_Birth_XXxx:
A drug addict will commit crime because the law doesn't allow him to legally fuel his addiction. If drugs were legal, he would have just sat down on his bed being all happy with drugs. The drugs aren't the real problem, the law is. Stupid laws are stupid for stupid reasons; such as ignorance.

And what good can come from playing a violent video game? It keeps certain people happy, that's what.

Where do you even get the notion that rape games even encourage rape in any way? If you can't distinguish fantasy from reality, then you're already fucked up enough to do anything and become influenced by anything - restriction of anything won't do jack shit.

Everyone will at one point or another fantasize about stuff that others will find revolting. And why is there anything wrong with that? It's who we are as a species. We imagine stuff, some good, some bad - you can't stop it!

We get influenced by a lot of stuff - some good, some less good. But "gangster kids" don't do what they do because a rapper told 'em to, but because the "cool kid" just likes that kind of music because it speaks to him. Gangs isn't a new phenomenon that came with the music industry, and most of it is aquited to poverty and the need to survive.

And yes, I say give a rapist a rape game, give a pedophile (which is a mental condition, not choice btw) some loli game. There will always be bad people in this world, so lets not effin' blame it on things that have nothing to do with them.

@xxXX_Insanities_Birth_XXxx: Sure, let's ban rape games, they can lead to rape. Let's ban keyboards too, they might lead to someone writing a rape game. And pens too - someone might complain there are no rape games. And surely, speaking in public ought to be a crime too, someone might say something inappropriate, leading to a crime. Actually, let's ban childbirth, that's the only effective way of preventing crime in the long run.

No. What we need to do is punish the actual rapists, murderers, thieves and pedophiles, not people who may or may not become one. The only way to keep (assuming we have not already lost it) our freedom and our sanity is to punish the people guilty of actual crimes and limit prevention to fear of the punishment (especially since there is no proof viewing a particular kind porn leads to crime). If that means the occasional crime will occur, so be it, that is the price of freedom.

BTW, there are studies that show violent porn may actually provide a safe release for people with violent tendencies, and in that capacity it does more good than harm.

@xxXX_Insanities_Birth_XXxx:
Is that so?You seem to pretty heavily incline otherwise with comments like "So in other words you feel prejudised against because you can't have your child porn?".

Also I really start to question your morality for going against possible pedophiles(lets not even get into the matter of what a big pile of bs that is also again your double morality grips here because if you allow even mild violence in a game after your mentality the same thing might be commited by "some fool" who cant seem to handle it)but not violence(toned down violence is still violence,mind you).
Following this every film/text/picture that contains any kind of harm should be banned out of existence after all some poor sob could fail to see that its fiction and try to do the same.

I really dont know what saddens me more,that you actually believe your double morales are right or that you feel the need to tell others what they possibly might be able to handle and what not.

I will stop this from my side now though.
Its fruitless and quite frankly your hypocritical attitude makes me kind of sick.
You identifying the so-called moral decline of our culture through things that have been part of every half-civilized culture since the beginning of mankind alone shows just how fucking much you know.
Yeah I will stop this now,have a nice day sir.

I didn't read through all the comments, but it seems that no one here has realized that the essential detail is that he distributed an uncensored version of the game.

@Pretty Sneaky Sis: Don't have a different opinion from these guys. Hint, they don't like it and insult you a lot because they can't handle people thinking child porn shouldn't be widely available.

xxXX_Insanities_Birth_XXxx

@Muppsatan: Actually I wasn't talking about japanese morales other than to say it's a bit morally bankrupt to have child porn be legal. Sorry if I find child porn immoral like most people.

I feel like I walked into a room of libertarian hippies and child porn lovers.

xxXX_Insanities_Birth_XXxx

This is a tough issue -- on one hand, I loathe the sexual exploitation of any human being, and its representation in media (like video games) for cash, I find to be morally reprehensible.

On the other hand, that is tough value judgment, because I'm personally responsible for sniping hundreds of thousands of human beings on Call of Duty 4, to which I've somehow become completely desensitized.

Still, I feel the Japanese have their shit under control obviously, and are making an example of this man.

@Chibirazi:
Hey, calm down buddy.

@Chibirazi: He reads sankaku Complex gets most of his information about japans "morals" there, wtf do you expect when all the news are sensationalist biased crap(sure is a fun read though).

on topic: if the copyright laws are used for moral policing in that context there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. It could however be "morally objectionable" to target those people but that again is morals not logic or law.

@Chibirazi: I did have in brackets the words 'if you do' so no I didn't conclude anyone did.
I can make the distinction, I'm arguing the point that some fools can't and so it's best to not cater to these violent sexual compulsives. Do I really want the paedo next door getting ideas about what he can do to my kids from comics? Not really.
I do actually think that violence should be toned down in video games and movie but not fully restricted since I'm not proposing we ban absolutely everything. Just like I'm not saying we should ban all porn but what good will come from loli and rape porn? Answer me that.

Actually I know society has been decayed all along, there's always been crime and violence. From the wild west to samurai fighting bandits to cave men fighting for food. BUT. the problem is we now have a culture of almost promoting this stuff, people like to watch fights, view porn anywhere etc.

And yes I do believe 'culture' has gone down the drain since never in the past has it been so easy for children to have access to this lewd content. Never has it been so easily available and wide spread. Is that not a slight decay in culture? Or do you think everything is perfect?

xxXX_Insanities_Birth_XXxx

@Mromson: Well that's if I trust everyone to do no harm. But it's a slippy slope. Drug takers often commit crimes to fuel there drug addiction, alcoholics cause vandalism and litter etc.

You can fantasize in your head but I don't think the idea of 'everythings okay cos I want to have it' is much of a good argument. That's what it boils down to in the end. People who want to have any freedom to do anything that doesn't harm others but in the end it, I believe, it can cause problems. I don't think every single person should have access to things like this since it can inspire people to do bad things. Like I don't find it a coincidence that most street thugs like rap or niche music. It's because they are influenced by these things and there role models are basically gun toting gangster wanna be's.

No but I wouldn't mind people doing that if they did it for everyone. I'm not so short sighted as to view it as a priveledge that I unreservedly have the right to just due to the fact that I live. I'm not saying I'm majorly pro censorship but when it comes to violent porn then I think it's best to avoid it since what good could come of it?

It's not within your or anyones right to tell people what they should or should not do in there spare time? Then do you agree with any laws or are laws just there for stupid reasons?

I'm disgusted whenever I see such libertarian pussies that step away from any problem and say give the gangster his violent sex, give the rapist his rape games and give the paedophiles there loli. Seriously. No good comes from this sh*t.

xxXX_Insanities_Birth_XXxx

@magnakaiser: Oh, he did, but mostly the "DP" part.
*badum pish*

He should've listened to Double Def DP.

@liquidmonk:

Haha

+1

@0xC001D00D:

Those bastards!

@0xC001D00D: They indirectly made Rapelay Bubba's Prison bitch.

@xxXX_Insanities_Birth_XXxx:
I still have to see anyone here support children pornography and that you actually accuse anyone of that is a downright insolence.
If you in this modern age still cant distinguish between reality and fiction I think you should take a big step away from every modern entertainment medium and this is not even touching the case of your obvious double-morality because I yet have to see you make a post complaining about violence against fictional-characters.

And to make this clear for you:
I dont think you are dumb for having a opinion,I think you are dumb(and ignorant)for shouting the moral decay of a culture without knowing shit about it.

@xxXX_Insanities_Birth_XXxx:
Read what I wrote again. The do-no-harm rule is specifically put in there for a reason. You can do whatever you want, as long as you don't harm others.

You have no right to tell me what I can or can't do in my own home. And fantasy rape (in ANY FORM) does harm to no one, because it's just that; a fantasy.

You can exclude me from your club, you can ban me from your website, you can think that everything I am and stand for is wrong within your picture of the world - but you cannot deny my fundamental right to my own expression.

It would be EXACTLY the same thing, if I suddenly went up and said you can't play Call of Duty 4 because I believe SOME people will play it and get the compulsion to go on a killing spree. YOUR moral code isn't MY moral code. I can question why the heck someone would want to watch rape porn - but at the end of the day, it's just freedom of expression. And it's NOT within my or ANYONES right to tell people what they should or should not do in their spare time.

I am disgusted every time I hear someone yack on about stuff that differs from their view of the world. Let it be racism, gay marriage, abstinence, violent games or sex games.

@0xC001D00D: i couldnt help but laugh, hehe

yamato

@MellowJade: No, they're not illegal. The EOCS, a Japanese game industry group, simply is not certifying any games that contain rape or any of the other banned topics. Game developers can still develop and sell these games, they just won't have the EOCS symbol of approval on them.

reynoldswrap

@Chibirazi: Well maybe I'm just concerned that Japan is becoming worse? I feel the longer people have content like this the harder it is to remove, the more acceptable it becomes and the less likely it is to ever be sorted. I've already said I dislike child porn etc. so clearly my opinion speaks for itself in that I'm just worried it's going to get worse?

Having an opinion doesn't automatically make you biased. I formed an opinion that child porn was bad (as most did) and then noticed Japan had it. Without being biased I kept my opinion.

I was basically stating my opinion on child porn is that it's immoral. Too keep child porn therefore is immoral in my opinion. Whether I read 10 or 1000 reports of japanese news I think my opinion will stay the same. It's not an opinion that needs hundreds of news articles so it's not biased. I guess because I said trust me (since i really believe my opinion) I must be ignorant and dumb. Sorry to bother you then but layout your views for me. Why do you support child porn etc.? (if you do).

@psycoking: Probably is the case actually.

xxXX_Insanities_Birth_XXxx

@ThursdayNext: I don't really agree you need to take the good with the bad. Freedom of speech is fine but we still live in a society which protects it's people from racism, sexual abuse etc. They can impose laws on us to keep society safe so I don't think stopping child porn (which they already do in most western countries anyway) is such a radical idea.

I know it was the distribution but I do believe child porn and etc. are bad so just stated that.

Well the law was against file sharing and that's what he did so this isn't so broad is it?

@Mromson: Because then anyone would be free to commit any crime? Well since I'm forced to live in a society with these people I'd very much hope they're not all hocked up on rape games etc. It's not that I think everyone who plays it will become a rapist or anything but it's just one of those things, the idiots will be influenced by it. Just because I can trust some people doesn't mean I can trust everyone. In that same sense WHO ARE YOU TO STOP ME BANNING YOU? I can ban you from stuff if I want cos that's what I want to do. Arguments that revolve around 'let me do anything cos I'm a person so I should be allowed to do anything' are stupid.

So in other words you feel prejudised against because you can't have your child porn?

@milford: Well that does depend on how well the police do there jobs and whether crimes go reported but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.

I don't care about virtual people (they're not real ofcourse) but I find it odd these people would draw or write this stuff unless they were having impulses towards it. Creating tons of this content can then get them fixated on it though, not all but then again I don't really trust rape and child porn obsessed people that much.

@milford: I'll have a read of that before I make up my opinion then.

xxXX_Insanities_Birth_XXxx

@xxXX_Insanities_Birth_XXxx: This is just Japan's "Hot Coffee." The EOCS is overreacting right now out of fear or prude fury, but once all the steam blows over everything will be back to normal. As it should be.

psycoking

@Jim81Jim: you deserve a kic in the butt.

laencythe

@xxXX_Insanities_Birth_XXxx:
"Trust me, Japan is becoming a sexually messed up place.Prostitution spiralling well out of control, rape games, erotic manga of children etc."

Sounds pretty much like the present to me,if anything you should watch in what time-form you write instead of telling others that they missread your text.

"It's a good idea that the country does get a grip on what's basically an industry that's slid out of control and causing quite a bit of disruption and moral bankruptcy."

Im pretty sure you didnt just form your opinion about this when reading the articles on Sankaku Complex so yes this is biased.

You declared the decay of japanese morality because of wrong or questionable allegations with (by your own words)very limited knowledge so yes I think that is childish and ignorant.
Having an opinion is fine,stating such things as your own experience with the words "Trust me" just to spoof of nonsense you read together afterwards on the other hand is not.

@MattB: That's roughly what I read but I did forget exactly what it was. Too bad that not all of them are tied to the EOCS though since that would have made it a bit easier.

Well it's good they got real child porn of the streets then. I agree it's sensationalist but it's not like I put too much stock in it really. It's just a news site like any other, it's going to be chock full of negative stories and sensationalist stuff but I need to get my news from somewhere. Anyway guess I was wrong but I was still correct that there was a lot of furore over the loli and rape stuff (since the EOCS is paying attention and there's been a lot of news on stuff like that too).

Anyone got any better japanese news sites?

xxXX_Insanities_Birth_XXxx

@Antiterra:
Oh noez! I laughed. XD

"banned raped title Rapelay."
You mean they banned.. and raped... a game?

What they need to do, is start frigging executing the loli fans. Oh, you go and you rationalize it all you want, and call me insane for calling for such drastic measures! But god damn, Japan. What the hell is wrong with you?

@milford: Well, I suggest you get some empathy, you insensitive internet person, and join the holy crusade against lonely fappers - because when sexbots become an everyday commodity and freaks worldwide start acting out their rape fantasies on them, that's when the dreaded robot uprising will finally come.

First, the streets will run red with the blood of penises crushed by mechanical vaginas. Then, dildobots will mercilessly drill our women. And then... THEN WE ALL DIE*!


*Assuming the zombie apocalypse hasn't happened by then.

They found Mary Bellows cuffed to the bed, with a rag in her mouth and a bullet in her head. Oh... Poor Mary Bellows.

Nick Cave

@milford: I agree with your train of thought. I've yet to see any sense in prosecuting imaginary crimes against imaginary people.

Yeah all games that depict murder, stealing, drug use, anti-government rebelling, raping, hot coffee, fighting, sharing computer files, gambling and all other things not approved by your government should be banned!

Video games are the exact same thing as real life. The only reason someone would play GTA is because they want the training for real life and are all mass murderers. No one has the right to act out things that are bad or make exchanges that the gov doesn't approve of.

If the right punishment for illegally downloading an album is a few million dollars, then this guy should just be put to death. Japan should make an example of him so that all other will be scared forever, starting with public embarrassment. It's not like honor is important or anything in Japan. People's lives or livelihood is shit compared to the authority of the corporations.

yfr

liquidmonk

@xxXX_Insanities_Birth_XXxx: Oh, and, if anything, Japan has become LESS messed up since pornography has become widely available.

There's an interesting paper on this that was released in the International Journal of Law and Psychiatry in 1999. It can be found here: [www.hawaii.edu]

milford

@xxXX_Insanities_Birth_XXxx: The "ban" you mention is a new set of rules imposed by EOCS (Ethics Organization of Computer Software) which is an organisation run by the eroge companies themselves. It has no legal clout and is all about self-regulation. It's decisions only affects EOCS members. I don't know what the numbers are, but there are companies making eroge with no EOCS ties. The rule changes are not so much a line in the sand, but are intended to be implemented gradually allowing time for the industry to adjust.

The underage loli content that was taken from Akihabara stores that you mention turned out to be actual photos and child porn. Nothing to do with eroge. As entertaining as Sankaku Complex may be, it tends to be a little too sensationalist and doesn't always follow stories up.

@xxXX_Insanities_Birth_XXxx: I always found it interesting that despite the availability of all kinds of niche pornography, Japan still has one of the lowest sexual crime rates in the developed world.

Can't say I'm into rape porn myself, but I don't really have a problem with people drawing it, writing about it, or making games featuring it. Maybe I just lack empathy for all those poor virtual rape victims ;)

milford

@Chibirazi: I haven't been biased at all, I merely had an opinion based around what I know. Sorry for not choosing to live in Japan and research everything I have an opinion on through 30 websites.

Actually I never said it was new at all so I think your kind of jumping the gun. You should read what people put before trying to demean them as that's kind of childish too you know? Anyway I guess having an opinion that rape content and child porn is bad for society truly is 'childish and ignorant beyond comparison' or were you just trying to prove your point by being overly rude?

xxXX_Insanities_Birth_XXxx

@xxXX_Insanities_Birth_XXxx:
Why can't people just DO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO? It's not hurting anyone. Only thing wrong with it is that some people think it's wrong and think it should be more restricted. What is it to you what others do? Who are YOU to say what others can or can't do? The moral police should just get the heck out of other peoples lives.

It's the bloody gay phobia all over again; people not understanding but still want to mandate their opinions upon others.

@MtlAngelus:
What I mean is that the people should be above the government at all times, not the other way around. If you ban alcohol, people will still go get it. Just to put up an example.

You can NOT deny people what they want to do in their spare time as long as it isn't hurting anyone else. Even if it's bad for the person.

Yeah, we should really ban all this underage and rape porn. It is such a shame that children and women everywhere are being exploited.

Oh wait, the victims are cartoons and CGI? Then what is the big fucking deal? How many Computer Generated people have you killed? Do you want to be tried as if you killed real people?

Honestly, this case doesn't really bother me. The dude was arrested because he was file sharing, which is an actual crime. Possessing cartoon porn should not be considered the same as bootlegging.

@xxXX_Insanities_Birth_XXxx: "Porn isn't bad in itself but the kind of porn these guys view is just bad. (bear in mind I even look at hentai myself so I'm not talking about hentai but of the violent stuff)."

Hate to bang this drum, but freedom of expression is a double edged sword. You have to take the (subjectively) "good" with the (subjectively) "bad".

I'd also point out that from Brian's article he states that "File sharing is illegal in Japan."

It's not the content that Hidetoshi Fukuzawa was arrested for, rather the method of distribution.

I always find it disturbing when a police force uses laws that were intended for a specific purpose in such a broad way that they can catch anyone within them and use the law to police to their taste.

File sharing laws should not be hijacked by the executive in order to mandate what is or is not tasteful.

All that said, I dislike this "rapelay" sort of material, I do not condone the use, ownership or distribution of such material and sincerely wish that there was not a market for it. Such is the world we live in.

ThursdayNext

America kills all the fun even for Japan.

Since Rape games are illegal in Japan as well.

@xxXX_Insanities_Birth_XXxx:
Well giving of such comments with limited knowledge gathered from 1 website(and even more so being very biased about it)certainly doesnt make you or your comments look smart.
And to the rest:Thats your opinion and trying to make all three cases(eroge with rape themes,lolicon and prostitution,a especially big lol for that btw)out as something new although they are around for centuries and concluding a moral decay of the japanese culture through that is just childish and ignorant beyond comparison.

@MikoKeZ: Isn't this good news?

Arresting the man for ripping off a company is a lot better than being mind police.

What kind of a moron uses a video game for this stuff? Doing it in real life is much more fulfilling.

@

Piracy illegal in Japan? They stopped this person but I bet the game is still out there Go after more important cases Police Force! The Piracy scene are like Cockroaches, you stamp on 1 and they'll be 3 more.

James Armstrong

@Str8_Jhdn:

ts nly rp f sh scrms.

RedStar - Workers of The World Unite

@Chibirazi: Well that's what I've been hearing on Sankaku complex which pretty much only reports on depraved matters but either way it doesn't matter if I'm wrong since this person was only taken under arrest for the file sharing side anyway.

And no I wasn't wrong about the above post, there is loli porn and rape games and they should be taken to avoid moral bankruptcy.

xxXX_Insanities_Birth_XXxx

@xxXX_Insanities_Birth_XXxx:
They have not and quite frankly you dont seem to have an idea what you are talking about.
I would suggest that you look further into the matter before spouting nonsense and half-truths.
By the way same goes for your answer towards Mromson.

@Str8_Jihadin: That's probably a better way of putting it. "Better" being relative. :/

"Seriously guys I didn't leak this on to the internet. I've done nothing wrong. Now if you'll excuse me I have some underage videogame girls to rape before I go to church tonight."

- Hidetoshi Fukuzawa

LOL Japan. XD

Jim81Jim

@Str8_Jihadin: Think 'Donkey punching'

Jellopnik

@Chibirazi: Actually they're having a ban on eroge rape content and loli content in Japan at the moment. Some Akihabara stores have had there underage (loli) content taken from them and there's a lot of furore at the moment about it.

xxXX_Insanities_Birth_XXxx

wow, the one time im glad i cant get share to work

@Mromson: Trust me, Japan is becoming a sexually messed up place. Prostitution spiralling well out of control, rape games, erotic manga of children etc. It's a good idea that the country does get a grip on what's basically an industry that's slid out of control and causing quite a bit of disruption and moral bankruptcy.

Porn isn't bad in itself but the kind of porn these guys view is just bad. (bear in mind I even look at hentai myself so I'm not talking about hentai but of the violent stuff).

xxXX_Insanities_Birth_XXxx

"Using an online file sharing service called "Share", (...)"
And I guess the filename contained all those nasty words people can possibly imagine, explaining how it leaked so well.

Internet: Serious Business? Yeah, I guess it is, in Japan.

RevengaSweet

@Str8_Jihadin: Think Pitt/Jolie Mr/Mrs Smith, but even more so. Clawing/ripping/shoving/choking/blood/etc.
That's just a Frisky Friday for me and the finace.
No rape about it.

This is what happens when you're not covered by enough proxies.

@Mromson: So... what happens is that people get screwed?

Then your chart should go the other way round. Unless you mean Corporations eats Goverment eats People...

So it's because he shared the game, nothng to do with owning the violent, pedophilic, rape game.

Nippon you're hilarious.

MikoKeZ

Now thats the way to go.
Dont try to track down the pedophiles,go after the easy targets instead.
For what did they arrest him?Rape content isnt forbidden law-wise so I guess they try to sue him for seeding the game?
Is this a bad joke?

This is what happens when a government denies their people what they want.

The People > Government > Corporations

@Str8_Jihadin: I'm aware that both words aren't quite the same.

Violent...sex?

So...rape?

@xxXX_Insanities_Birth_XXxx: So you're still retaining your original view about policing morale? Our comments here did nothing to sway your mind? And instead of giving us your arguments, you're just gonna give up?

@AnalysisDialysis (and a MudkipNDS): I'm too lazy to comment further. I've expressed my opinion heavily on this board already so most should be able to work out my opinion and form there own. I'm a bit busy also this weekend so I guess I'm just going to drop the subject.

xxXX_Insanities_Birth_XXxx

@Str8_Jihadin: S&M can be consensual

Arlus00

@xxXX_Insanities_Birth_XXxx:

trust you? stop talking out of your ass. whats out of control is americans who dont bat an eyelash at extreme violence, but lose their minds when they see a titty on tv. "moral bankruptcy" is the kind of phrase that religious zealots and bad parents use. censoring things doesn't discourage anything, it does the exact opposite. do you think a potential rapist is suddenly cured because you took away his rape game? hes far more likely to go out and rape a real person instead because you took away his outlet.

even accounting for any perceived lack of reporting due to cultural stigma, japan has one the lowest incidents of rape in the world. their children are also statistically far safer than american children.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_rap_percap-crime-rapes-per-capita

This whole thing is really sad. I find it so disgusting, repulsive, and awful that anyone would make or play a game about rape. IMO, rape is probably one of the worst things that can happen to a person and the fact that companies are making games about it is just sickening and totally disrespectful to anyone who has ever been hurt in this way. Hell, I want to vomit even during a fairly mild rape scene in a movie (Hills Have Eyes.) Last thing the world needs is the ability to play games where you interactively assault women.

@xxXX_Insanities_Birth_XXxx: again, Erotic manga and games aren't child porn.

HulkShmash

@xxXX_Insanities_Birth_XXxx: Child porn? When did we go from eroge to child porn? Erotic manga depicting children is also not child porn. What in the hell are you talking about.

HulkShmash

@Mr. F: True that.

RawSteelUT

@the7k: Indeed. Dude broke an actual Japanese law, not some trade organization's conventions, and he needs to be nailed for it.

RawSteelUT

Better he goes and rapes fake girls rather than real girls...

@the7k: Yup.

Lumice

@firefly:

Thanks very much for that!