No More Heroes Designer Wants Travis Touchdown In Next Smash Bros.
The last Smash Bros. game, like the one before that, was a smorgasboard of characters. There weren’t just Nintendo developed characters, but the likes of Sonic and Snake also made an appearance.
No More Heroes designer Goichi Suda is already making off-handed remarks about his desire to see NMH hero Travis Touchdown in the next Smash Bros.. Says Suda:
I love him (Travis), and I want him to be a huge star. That’s why I’m working very hard to make this game as interesting as possible. Maybe in the future, we can see him fighting alongside Link in the next Smash Bros. [laughs] That would be great.
Yes, yes it would.
Suda 51 wants Travis Touchdown in next Smash Bros. game [Nintendo Dpad via IncGamer]
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ArchMemnoch
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Toastbusters
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Ryodestined
krushjudgement
Pikachu Mariachi: We lol, so we don't =(
liquidnumb
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Dresan
NekuSakuraba
You're going to be waiting a while. Either way, I'd love to see Lucario fight Travis.
MauriceOffspring
Mesren_Makai
mordennight
Mesren_Makai
Arteen
transcend
Tenchuu
DRaGZ
The Amazing Exploding-Man
Diyomaro
I approve!
nightwheel
@ShimodaNexus: ANARCHY IN THE GALAXY!
gergsirronzero
Well hopefully there's a good chance since isn't he friends with the guy?
I just want them to keep snake in for the next game personally.
@Superhacker75mil: Wow, I'm so passionate about this argument that I forgot to finish the second paragraph.
"...and fighting games in general (blah stuff), then you'd realize Sakurai pulled a New Ninty and kinda' dicked over the hardcore with Brawl."
That'll work.
He should try for Soul Calibur. Let him clash light sabers with Yoda and Vader.
Killer_WaLrUs
@RockyRan: Not to mention he hyped his own game WAAAY too much with the Smash Bros Dojo. By the time the game came out practically all the surprises had been blown on that website, and all the rabid fans made sure that everyone on the internet KNEW about those surprises whether they wanted to know or not.
RockyRan
@Lozmaster: Already heard, though I'm not sure who you're replying to in this particular chain of replies.
Why do people constantly forget that Sakurai did NOT dedicate this game to the hardcore crowd, and in fact took specific measures to ensure that? I mean, sure, if you take "hardcore" to mean the wider crowd of peeps who simply like classic franchises and Smash's unique gameplay, okay, it works. But if you use the word "hardcore" to define actual hardcore players of Smash and fighting games in general (and yes, you can boil down Smash to a fighting game, a fun one even)
Don't get me wrong, I love Brawl because it's Smash, it's pretty, it has lots of stuff, and it has Sonic (the last part alone makes me a blithering fanboy, sad to say; I even managed to make him my competitive main). It's just that I'll never be able to forgive such blatant intent at ruining the game for highly-skilled players just so that casual people wouldn't get their butts kicked quite as badly.
@EdibleFood: YES. PHOENIX WRIGHT PLZ. Also Edgeworth.
This makes me want to start coding my Phoenix Wright fighting game. I haven't had time to start. D:
@togovero: Eh, no offense but if there's another Smash Bros I don't want Sakurai doing it. His bullcrap philosophy of "everybody's a winner!" ruined the online of the game, which is what SHOULD'VE been the best addition to the game. His reluctance to do anything with the stage creator also left me with a sour taste, as did his outright refusal to add a Mii character (seriously, how stupid is that? Nintendo practically WROTE a create-a-character for Smash Bros and Sakurai turns it down. Talk about idiocy).
I never use wavedashing or any of that junk, so removing that stuff doesn't matter to me. But I really didn't like that he didn't add anything new to the fighting. Melee brought charging smashes, which is practically a game changer. Brawl added nothing substantial. I know lots of people think "don't fix what's not broken", but IMO after years and years of playing Melee, the same old fighting mechanics felt really trite by the time Brawl came out.
RockyRan
@togovero: and Kojima said MGS3 would be the last MGS
and Smash Bros DS or bust
@MARl0: It's quite possible he's referring to Brawl's specifically-included anti-hardcore nonsense like tripping, less hitstun, easier perfect shields, and surprisingly idiotic stage design (for some of the crazier ones).
I know those would be my complaints.
@phinehas: I dunno, if you play the Kirby games you'd know who they are. I don't but have came across them in the past at some point. I suppose it could be said similar about the Zelda series, if you didn't play it you wouldn't know who the characters were. A prime example being the amount of people who think Link is called Zelda =P
Ness is more a Japanese character than Western, and I'll agree with you about the Ice Climbers. Mr G&W however is an incredibly important character for Nintendo historically, despite the fact that is you were born in the mid 80s, you probably have no idea of who he is!
@Thanatos: That's the only real way to play it, if you know what I mean.
No problem there.
Hayabusa_San
@Kilian: For the perfect roster,
- I would cut some of the least used characters and almost-clones of Brawl (personally, Toon Link, Olimar, Dedede, Ness or Lucas, Wolf or Falco), replace them with other good Nintendo characters (Saki, Lyn, Isaac, Little Mac, Hector from Fire Emblem, others).
- Replace Lucario with another new pokemon. Replace Pokemon Trainer with a female Pokemon Trainer with Gold/Silver starters.
- Get Mega Man, Travis and a Castlevania character. Also include Snake and Sonic for a second time.
That would be may personal changes for the next Smash Bros.
Hayabusa_San
this man.... he has great ideas....
Rutty
@SPECIALciaNAPKIN: Isaac. Isaac Isaac Isaac. I fanboyed all over Ike for Brawl, I will fanboy all over Isaac if he gets upgraded to a proper playable character.
Lousy Assist Trophies, getting my hopes up.
@HELLSRIDER is playing Mother 3: But Pit was the main character in a Nintendo IP, which in fact did have a sequel on the GB. That's a major difference.
@TheCodexx: i believe there were also the nes versions of metal gear and metal gear was also on the gameboy color.
abort_user
unfortunately, we dont think there would be another smash game. IF ever they do though,would be awesome to see him there! he fits in perfectly.
@HELLSRIDER is playing Mother 3: I concur. Travis' Move set would be pretty awesome if he gets in the next Smash Bros.
Speaking of which, I also like to see Mega Man (Classic) on the next one. With Travis and Mega Man, next Smash Bros would be amazing (the only bad thing is that we'll have to wait until Nintendo release a new console. One Smash per console =/)
Hayabusa_San
@Wahrheit: It probably and sadly will be on the next generation, just like brawl didnt come out in GC or melee in N64. Its one per generation, but hey who knows I thought a Mario platformer was also one per generation and there we have SMG 2 coming out, who knows :)
@dafthero: I agree, there is just too many Pokémons, and adding 3 in one with the pokémon trainer? It was awesome but were getting no love for other series like Metroid or for completelly new characters, I mean what ever happened to Dark Samus? or Sylux? or Rundas? or other new characters just like the ones you mentioned?
Knuckles though, I kind of understand why he isnt around in Brawl, I mean its the first time a character from the sonic series (sonic) appeared in the game, they need time.
PHOENIX WRIGHT! PHOENIX WRIGHT!
And Travis.
It could work.
Stavvy
@Black-Dog-Howls: Pit only had one game, one game which never had a sequel or anything of the likes. Why cant Travis? Plus Pit isnt really such a gaming icon.
You don't ask to be in Smash; you must be chosen.
Benjo
@FrigidAir44: hahah youre right.
@StealthBadger: I would love a game like SSB with master chief too, but sadly he hasnt been on any Nintendo consoles.
@TheCodexx: Nice reply, pretty much my thoughts exactly, except for, Travis is also an awesome character, quite a fast moving one, we need more like him in Smash Bros, his movements would be unique compared to all weve seen so far in SSB series.
The katana recharge would have to be one of his taunts.
Yeah I read about that when I was reading Nintendo Power. If Snake worked why not Travis? hehe. I'm a big No More Heroes fan so I think he would be awesome to the cast.
@Thanatos:
Shush the tourney nuts will hear you.
Lozmaster
YES!
@Sane Intolerant finds Ghostbusters very therapuetic: I think you need to learn some more game history...
Daniel Pizarro Sánchez
@Black-Dog-Howls:
But he SHOULD be :V
16bit
@TheCodexx:
Snake only having a remake on the gamecube? What about the Metal Gear NES games? :B
16bit
as long as i'm not tripping and falling on my ass everytime i try to run in the hypothetical new game; the addition of travis might actually convince me to renew my support despite recent disappointment.
Too bad i hate Smash Bros. :( if not i´d be all over it. NMH has one of the best character designs out there.
Daniel Pizarro Sánchez
@XanderVincent: What Thanatos said.
MARl0
*sigh* After so many hours dedicated to what characters could be in Melee and Brawl- I've grown tired of sitting around fantasizing. Travis would be an interesting addition to the cast, but is unlikely to be added because- well- why should he be?
The two third party characters that are in Brawl were in for a reason. Snake is a gaming icon known to a lot of gamers. It was also a good thing for Konami, because Metal Gear Solid 4 was coming out at the time. Good promotion for them. Sonic is a gaming legend, even if his games are no longer what they were. People mainly wanted him in to do a Mario vs. Sonic battle, too.
But Travis? Even if you ask gamers about him, they may go "who?" His games don't sell very well for a third party, either, so it just doesn't work logically. He's also very crude, more so than Wario, and I have a feeling Nintendo wouldn't be cool with a lot of the things he does.
@Jaems: Well, he is MEGAMAN Zero, but he's not the blue fella we all grew to know and love.
@Reil: Yeah, but Zero isn't MEGAMAN.
@fearing: how about michael jackson from moonwalker? If he picks up the pill, he dies.
...
Too soon? Meh, don't care.
@XanderVincent: You do realize you can play with a GameCube controller and it plays just like Melee right? No waggle needed.
@Tehman: "MY SPLEEN!"
ShimodaNexus
@sits: Why do you care who isn't in the game.
Don't even bother with a "wasting valuable development time on random characters" argument.
There's no reason for him to not be in there. If Snake and Pitt, one being a Konami character that only has a remake on the GameCube and the other being Snake- haha kidding- And the other being a 20+ year old character that got one game and never was mentioned again, then why can't a character native to a Nintendo platform be considered?
Plus, he has a Lightsaber. I don't think the lightsaber item in Smash Bros is enough.
Anyways, I just think it's kind of stupid to say you DON'T want a character in a game when there's no reason for them not to be other than time restrictions. If you don't like them, don't play them. It's a simple choice. The roster is big, you can pick any other character you like.
TheCodexx
@togovero: I'll take that as seriously as I take Kojima when he says he's not going to be involved in Metal Gear development.
When something prints money, it always gets revisited. More Japanese devs besides Square-Enix need to realize this!
ShimodaNexus
Yes please, Smash bros + non nintendo mascots = awesome
Actually I'd enjoy if Travis made it into the Smash Bros. roster. Money tells me there will definitely be another iteration of it. Mega Man would be a nice addition as well.
sweetie55
@dafthero:
I felt the same way with Isaac.
Perhaps they can also weasel in some Paper Mario on the side?
@Steffanic: Well considering this was just posted in an Interview in the latest Nintendo Power its not old news really.
This would be so amazingly awesome, however they would have to tone down Travis a bit to fit the T rating.
@Psudonym: The best part about the audience he's reached is the irony with which NMH treats them.
Give this a read: [schlaghund.wordpress.com]
@StealthBadger: Isn't that already his taunt in Halo 3? I mean I see/hear that all the time when playing on-line.
FrigidAir44
Why not Soul Calibur while we're at it? I mean, he's already got a weapon collection.
@SPECIALciaNAPKIN: Mewtwo sucked, Lucario is way better.
Also Wolf is awesome.
@phinehas: King Dedede and metaknight definitely are popular and they are Hal characters, what do you expect?
Also the Game and Watch games are an important legacy for Nintendo, Ice Climbers and Ness I sorta agree with. It's a homage to Nintendo's Past.
Still Travis isn't deserving of being in Smash Bros, yet. He isn't a gaming icon.
There should be Travis vs Jack (MadWorld). Now that would be an awesome fight.
Krimmson
@fearing: I personally think that, like Knuckles to Sonic, Zero would fit better into the game than Megaman would, because of his actual use of melee type attacks in the game as his 'thing'.
This is totally impossible.
Travis in Smash is one of the few things that would cause the world to glitch out from sheer awesomeness.
Other things on this list include:
-an animated Hiko vs. Guts OVA fight
-a PS3 remake of Final Fantasy IX
-Snatcher II
-Legend of Dragoon II
-A TPS starring Bruce Cambell
Joe Lengerich
HELL YES! Make it so.
Matthew Lynagh
bring on anything to make another smash bros with a mega roster... come on nintendo mvc2 has 56 characters to play with and it came out in the 90's this is 2009 and you're telling me that 35 is ok. maybe for tekken or something but when your nintendo and you have as much shit put out as you do 35 is just a tiny piece of the pie... also please put wavedashing or some other type of high level technique back in the game cause while i love ssbb babies are just as good as the competitive scene due to the loss of ALL HIGH LEVEL TECHNIQUES!!!
Timothy Saskiewicz
Smörgåsbord*
KilOMisFit
@togovero: Keiji Inafune said Megaman X5 would be the last game in the X series. George Lucas originally thought Star Wars to be only a trilogy.
If it makes money it will return somehow. Just look at the Guilty Gear series. The creators lost the rights to it and still managed to continue it al-la BlazBlue.
@EdibleFood:
@phinehas: If Ness is lesser known, then Lucas is ever more so.
Wolf is also on the list, as is Lucario.
::Starts petition for the return of Mewtwo::
@SPECIALciaNAPKIN: Still wanna see Mega Man and Simon Belmont! Also Chibi-Robo shoulda really been in Brawl.
@EdibleFood: Yes, I think you're the only the one.
Grinman
@Kilian: The inclusion of Captain N would do that for me.
Who else has logical character inclusion thoughts?
@Psudonym: I don't know how much good will he gets; reviews are often pretty lackluster, we're not out buying tons of copies of his games... I do agree though that he deserves attention simply because what he's doing is unique and risky. Even if it isn't always great, he's taking chances, and staying true to his artistic vision.
Yeah. I want this and Phoenix too.
Now.
Kalone
@togovero: Last my butt... Nintendo likes money just as much as the rest of us. =P
@Psudonym: Tbh I dont play his game because its "mordern art" as I totally hate it's concept, I played No More Heroes cause it is in fact a brilliant game, open world elements aside. Admittedly some of its charm comes from how off beat the style is. Plus its use of japanese culture I think alienates it from some people. I think his reputation is deserved on the game's merit and not purely on its looks.
That would be awesome. Travis is probably the best original Nintendo character to come out in a long time.
Also they should add Jack from Madworld.
slamdance
@celark:
That would be extremely epic
@phinehas: Idk i knew King Dedede and Metanight when i was a lad but i agree ness, ice climbers and game and watch are all obscure to most people.
It's Smörgåsbord, not smorgasboard. Oh, you silly americans ;)
Michael Forsberg
His Final Smash would be Anarchy in the Galaxy.
celark
Am i the only one who wants Phoenix Wright?
Watch the fake phoenix wright final smash video on youtube its hillariously epic omg.
He would be a great addition along with Godot
@andrewwyatt: Probably, we'll see a Smash Bros on a portable device someday (DS2?).
And I hope to see a new Smash Bros on an home console, too. Brawl will be hard to improve though, except its poor online...
YES! This would be awesome!
I love Suda 51. I want to have his cel shaded polygonal babies.
@Black-Dog-Howls: Yet.
NunianVonFuch
@Sane Intolerant finds Ghostbusters very therapuetic: Snake is a gaming icon. Travis isn't.
Black-Dog-Howls
@phinehas: But they do qualify as "Nintendo characters".
@acidpits: they should put master chief in, representing halo 3 online. His taunt could be an ol' fashioned t-bagging, accompanied by a 13 yr old voice insulting fox mcloud's mother.
@togovero: Who said where what now? Believe me, friend, I don't think this is the last we'll see of Smash Bros. This is one of the few games Nintendo dedicates to the hardcore crowd, who I'm sure they really don't want to lose.
@Psudonym: And when you charge up his sword it looks like he's beating one off.
Can't understand why people love NMH. Interesting game, but an absolute chore to spend time playing.@togovero: He said it would be the last one he is going to oversee, and after that he said that if Iwata begged him to do the next one, he probably wouldn't be able to say no.
Smash Bros. will have a new iteration next gen. Of that I am pretty certain. Whether it is directed by Sakurai or even developed by HAL is anyone's guess.
At first I didn't think Travis could be on there because he was from an M-rated game, but so was Snake, which was already confusing...
But in the end, I say YES. I would play Travis every match after I unlock him, no matter how bad he is. EVERY MATCH.
@akumaserge: It would make a good taunt, at least.
Showmeyomoves!
@togovero: He also said that about Melee.
@dafthero: Dude, I'm with you. I love the game, but I was secretly hoping at least he would be a playable character.
@Yigytugd: I don't thinthe ice climbers, Ness, metaknight, King Dedede and Mr. Game & Watch could all qualify as "worldwide popular".
It's amazing how much good will we afford this guy considering his track record. His sales are lack luster. His game play is questionable. And he talks himself up quite a bit. For all intensive purposes, these are the same traits we dismiss every hack designer that comes our way with their big thing.
Perhaps it's that we truly appreciate that his games are never "Games as art" in the way we usually expect with god ray light blooms and girls crying in snow. His "Games as Punk Art" is something truly unique. And it's hard not to appreciate that it hits at something cultural that's bigger and so far rarely been accessed by other designers. We've mostly played it safe in the realms of fantasy, science fiction, surreal mushroom popping flights of fancy, or gritty crime infested playgrounds. Here's something that doesn't look at art and limits itself to the classics, but to the graffiti scene and the modern day graphic designers. The 20 somethings wearing their "Threadless" t-shirts with their favorite band so indie that you have to pirate it off torrent sites on their fancy phones. Or the kid wearing the ironic NRA baseball cap who can actually tell you the difference between Punk and Scene. That's kinda the guy Suda 51 has tapped, that's the audience that he reaches. His games are as much an expression of modern art as they are deconstructions of traditional video gaming genres.
If all that was two long, and ya didn't read, basically I'm saying it's good to have this guy around. And it's a surprise that it took this long for games to get "cool".
Psudonym
This and that layton blog. My god Nintendo and its 3rd parties are a bunch of cockteasers.
mitch_93
@togovero:
It's one of the very best selling games of all current generation consoles.
I'd be surprised if it didn't get a fourth entry, and I'd be surprised if it weren't on the wii.
Wahrheit
I used to strongly support this series, and would get mad at any naysayers pre-brawl release.
Now, after having my heart broken by not only the Wii and its control scheme, but this series and Nintendo as a whole...
I don't think I'll play the new one, unless it's for Nintendos next console, which'll hopefully be a real console. Ya know, that or unless they throw Megaman into it.
XanderVincent
@acidpits: That would be hilarious to see interrupted...
PaxtonAstypalaea
Unfortunately, Sakurai once stated Brawl is the last Smash Bros... but, who knows? Never sy never!
now could we get less pokemon and instead add megaman, knuckles and little mac?
i was sooooo disappointed when i found out little mac was an assist trophy and not a real character.
...I wonder if you have to use the motion control to charge his sword if he does make it into a smash bros. game.
akumaserge
As long as his final smash is slicing any other fighter right down the middle....
Lil' old news but, whatever. Anything about Smash Bros is good news (Such as those Professor Layton Twitter posts, although they're most likely fake)...
Steffanic
A Smash Bros game with Travis in it? Oh, that would be an insta-buy right there. I mean, it's already a insta-buy, but that would just make me want the game even more.
And I'm sure more folks are familiar with Travis than they are whoever that uh... one character was... from that one game... that I can't remember... because... uh... I don't think it came out here in the states. Yeah. Uh, that's a good reason to put Travis in too.
While we're at it, can we get Amaterasu in Smash Bros too?
If Solid Snake can get in there with just a couple of NES games and a Gamecube game, I don't see why Travis shouldn't be able to. I think he'd fit in quite nicely with the rest of the roster.
This would be the perfect addition, seriously.
Man, I can't wait for NMHII
His taunt will just have to be him sitting on the can.
My fantasy Smash Bros. roster comes one step closer to reality.
Nice game but, errrrr.... no.
sits
@Timothy Saskiewicz: Maybe that's because wavedashing wasn't a technique, it was a physics exploit.
Kyle Robichaud
It's been a long time since he had this idea. By the time of the NMH launch he said he wanted Travis to wear Nintendo clothes, and that's he hoped Travis will be in the next Smash Bros.
BurgessWorm
@Kyattsuai: His throws would all be awesome wrestling moves.
Bring Phoenix on!!!
@phinehas:
As you probably know, Masahiro Sakurai, the creator of smash bros., also created kirby so naturally there will be plenty of Kirby characters.