Poll: Japanese People Thought Dragon Quest IX Would Have WiFi

I doubt this will affect their sales though. I'm thinking at least two copies of the game per Japanese citizen.

Pyro Jack Frost

@Ganji: That rom was a fake pre-release. I can't read what I'm looking at by I think he posted the scene NFO to confirm that a legit rom is available somewhere.

liquidnumb

i didnt know you could play with other people. sure some connection would be possible, like trading items and such. i wonder how that will work out.

Yesterday I thought I would look up some info on DQIX because I really didn't know much about it and figured there would be a lot of information now that it releases in Japan in a few days. Boy was I wrong. I don't know if DQ games are always so mysterious as this is the first time I have followed the release of one, but I was really surprised by this. I had thought there would be wifi and even after last night found no conformation either way so still thought wifi was in. I guess there are going to be a lot of disappointed Japanese gamers come saturday, but then again maybe not they are nuts about DQ regardless. I'll be disappointed though since I'll be playing it alone.

bla19

This is the exact same thing that happened to me with Phantasy Star: Portable for the PSP...it inferred that it was not ad hoc...claiming "wireless play" So my friends and I ended up meeting up to play it, not a big deal and it was still loads of fun (maybe even more fun than FFCC for the DS that was over WiFi)

B_NiN3

@ye0073: Didn't that other post say that the rom was a fake and bricks you DS anyway?

Ganji

@FunkyMunxy: "onry"

i see what you did there.

@beril: Actually MHP can be played via Xlink Kai or using the PS3s adhoc party so I wouldnt say the numbers are not tainted.

It doesn't say whether or not they care though. Looking at Monster Hunter it seems like people are fine with local multiplayer in their portable games in japan

beril

@Archaotic: Online would've been used for co-op. Is that really so hard to understand? It's obviously fun, considering the entire game is built around it.

I've played co-op turn-based RPGs before, and they're a blast.

MARl0

@Ur-Lord-Crypy:

You don't need friend codes to play online outside of Animal Crossing and maybe one or two other games. You can play with anyone.@m-p{3}:

Um... This isn't Nintendo's fault. You know that, right? (well, obviously not)

Avrum

@Archaotic: At first you sounded like a real arrogant jerk. After a few post, it just seems like your cyclical. Which is fine.

I don't see whats the point of playing a multi-player game where you always win. Whats the fun in that, There is no challenge then. You might as well have a game where every time you push the A button, it says, "You ARE WINNER." Great for your self-esteem, but horrible in enjoyability.

With my friends, if it ever gets to a point where one of us is vastly superior in a game to the rest, we generally end up switching the game. However, when everyone is at the same level, it tends to be much more fun. For example, playing SF4 matches, its always a lot more fun when its down to the wire. However, its never fun if one person just keeps perfecting every round.

But I never play to "Prove" to my friends just how "uber-leet" I am, or that "I AM THE ALPHA MALE". Why do I need to prove myself to my friends in a virtual dick waggling completion.

That's the reason Why I avoid rank matches on xbox-live. That and 12 year olds calling me a double ni**** f** regardless of what I am doing.

Yes, JRPGs have been in a decline though, I can give you several articles discussing this. How the genre seemed to, for the most part, refuse to evolve. How many retelling of the hero's journey do we have to hear, or take the Grandia Series.

The first game was basically Indianan Jones meets Secret of Mana. Then the second game was about some orphan merc who goes a on a mission to save Mary sue. Then the third game has a farm boy "potter" who meets some elf girl who is the last of her kind save the world. What happened there.....

@ye0073: Clean up on isle seven!

@Archaotic: I actually found a staggering amount of reasonable and well adjusted individuals on Left 4 Dead Pc Co op. I mean yes Co op is meant to be played with people you know, so when it came out I quickly found some like minded individuals through simply playing the game, and have been part of that "group" so to speak every since. I find Steam itself useful though, as it sort of acts as a gaming hub from which any manner of game can be played.

But with your second point, I do agree that some games are just better off without multiplayer shoe horned in. But there is a place for both, some games such as COD and BF are really made for multiplayer so it makes sense for a large focus to be made that. I think the main problem is when Game Companies decide to throw in a really half hearted multiplayer mode, which takes time away from the single player game, and then people cease to play it within a month of release. I mean single player games are the things that will stand the test of time to a greater extent, as they are more of a complete stand alone package which can often offer a new and unique experience, where as multiplayer games are often updated every couple of years.

Captain Pigeon

@lunarworks:

People like me have plenty of friends but not any gaming friends locally. Besides that, this just like trying to get people over to play split-screen which isn't as convienent as quickly jumping in a multiplayer game online.

@Captain Pigeon: You have a point about co-op being better than competitive gaming for building friendship, but my question is why ever play a co-op game with people you don't know? You can't trust other people to be worth playing with. Co-op is designed to be played with people you do know. As hundreds of youtube videos can attest to, the last thing you want is to be stuck co-opping with a 10-year-old whose mommy didn't know the game was too violent for his undeveloped gray matter.

The problem is, the idiots vastly outnumber the rational beings, and I have neither the time nor patience to weed through the chaff for the few intelligent people still left alive on the internet. Yet developers, in their infinite laziness, would rather just shoehorn in a multiplayer mode and call it a day than provide a meaningful, lasting campaign the way they used to in the old days. Sigh.

@Archaotic: I Definately agree with your point there, however I meant to say my experience is from PC games and with Left 4 Dead in particular, with console gaming I find it to be a lot more difficult to strike up any sort of friendship. Which probably has a lot to do with not only the typical userbase, but aswell lack of a keyboard for most online games, making communication often very awkward longwinded. However I imagine co op games such as Left 4 Dead, do lead to much better friendships even on consoles, as the need to work together is so high.

Captain Pigeon

The only people I can see getting genuinely angry are shut-ins who have no friends outside the internet. For them, all hope of multiplayer gaming are lost.

@Witzbold: We're not really talking about other devs here, is all. I didn't mean to make it seem like I think L5 deserves hate for it above all. I still love those guys. Probably one of my favorite Japanese publishers, even if I don't play all of their games. They really care a lot about what they make, which is a lot more than can be said about most modern studios. :[

@Captain Pigeon: I rarely end up meeting people who are at a mental or emotional level above that of a preschooler when playing online; maybe I'm just not very lucky. I just see no point in interacting with people if all they're going to do is call me a fag or a n***** even when I'm on the same team as them. The last time I had meaningful interaction with people on an online game was all the way back when Lost Planet first came out. Halo 3? Full of idiots. Killzone 2? Same thing.

Because of the vast swathes of retard infesting the internet, I'd honestly rather developers just funnel their funds into building a better, more engaging campaign than forcing me to play a multiplayer mode that I get absolutely nothing out of.

@Captain Pigeon: Good point and also very true with the folks in Japan. Monster Hunter is a good solid example of the Japanese prefer games where you work together towards a goal rather than having a huge king of the hill cockfight for the golden crown if you know what I mean.

Also why other games like Phantasy Star Online was a big hit too, along with net games.

Yes the crowd that has tastes more similar to the western audience who seems to prefer head to head does exist, but its not the majority.

Its more about having fun with friends than actually being the best at something.

@Archaotic: People dont't simply play to "prove" themselves, but to have fun or progress their own skill level at the game, of course people derive fun from beating people, but it is by no means the be all and end all of online play. I also personally do not enjoy online games as much when playing with strangers , but quickly you can start some form of dialogue between them and then you have someone you know on an admittedly vague basis to game with. I would then play with them, not simply to "beat" them, but because I would enjoy the experience and consider it worthwhile.

Captain Pigeon

@Archaotic: Capcom just cuts and pastes their network code which is why Monster Hunter Frontier had some real fucked up bugs in relation to client and server issues due to the fact that it worked the same way that a PS2 version did.

They didnt really cause any evolution of the online capabilities and the PSP had to be fiddled with by the fans to get things like Xlink Kai working with it to allow for online play until the PS3s feature finally came out. Forgot what its called but that doesnt really matter anyways.

If you would say the same for every dev then perhaps you shouldnt be pointing the finger at just one.

@Witzbold: Perhaps so. But they could at least focus on some of their smaller titles for a while instead of hyping FIVE main-line Final Fantasy games at the same time (seriously, FF13, FF14, Versus, Agito, and Crystal Bearers? Talk about over-extension...).

Or they could just release Kingdom Hearts: Birth By Sleep or Versus and I'll stop hating them for a few weeks. :[

@Witzbold: I'm just saying it's difficult to have faith in their skill at developing a solid online mode. If it's any consolation, I would say the same about almost every Japanese developer aside from MAYBE Capcom.

Then again, Capcom still hasn't included infrastructure play in the PSP Monster Hunter games, so they're not fully there yet either. Maybe for MHP3...

@Archaotic: In business you can never rest.

@SpishackCola posts comments Like A Boss: Well unless you care about the story not much reason to need to read things with that game. Was pretty neat tho.

@Archaotic: TFOL was killed thanks to MS. The game was about ready which is why Level5 really dislikes MS in general. Since shortly after TFOL was killed off MS grabbed their shit and ran Lionel Hutz style.

Sides I seriously doubt you can even judge the online ability of Level5 with a game that was not even released.

@Captain Pigeon: I see no point in competing against people I don't know if I'm not pounding them into dust. They don't know me (aside from the rare multiplayer person who recognizes me from this site, which is just creepy), and I don't know them or like them, so why should I have to prove myself to them? I just don't see any benefit to playing a game online against strangers when I could be playing a game solo and progressing a story instead.

As for playing with friends, I am, by a pretty wide margin, better at basically every non-plastic guitar video game out there than all of my friends. There's no challenge, and most of my friends hate playing against me because I dominate them by default.

@Archaotic: Hardly, a lot of people play multiplayer games to have fun with their friends, or compete against other people. They know they won't be the "best", yet they still enjoy the time spent, just because you don't win at an online game doesn't make the time wasted.

Captain Pigeon

@Witzbold: We'll have to wait and see, I suppose. Hopefully SQEX doesn't over-spread themselves again...tackling DQ9, DQ10, FF13, Versus, 14, and all their PSP and DS games at the same time must be a massive strain on the company, financially and creatively.

I would kinda hope that once DQ9 and FF13/Versus are out, they take a little break and let their designers rest for a while before charging headlong into their next set of titles.

@Witzbold:
Man, I so wanted Soma Bringer to get localized :( Guess I have to keep working on getting my JP back around to level 2 and import it. You lose a lot when you don't use a foreign language for 2 years :o

@bakagaijin: Used to am out of the industry. Still got lots of contacts within though.

Was good times. Learned a lot of stuff from the veterans and got to see how different companies functioned differently.

No names can be mentioned but seems like each company has its own style which can be both good and bad. None the less interesting.

@Witzbold: Slow and steady, I say. Right now, I'm working on a design document that I'm sending to Blizzard with a job application, so Monster Hunter has to take a backseat to finding formal employment.

But I'm working on it. I'm enjoying myself when I'm making progress, but whenever the game starts to drag (or if I die in the middle of a mission) I almost immediately turn the PSP off. I have no room in my life for frustration right now, haha...

@m-p{3}: As much as I like to bash on Nintendo for it's lack of advancement in it's technologies, this isn't their fault.

@Archaotic: Yeah that usually happens a lot. At least if you realize you forgot something you can quit out of the mission.

You can nail the sand sharks with your sword when they pass by. Im too lazy to go and bring bombs so I usually do that.

Well you want the cool looking shit gotta work for it son. But before getting cool looking shit I suggest you work on your skills on the game. Since the cool looking shit isnt going to save ones ass if they dont know what they are doing with weapon of choice / learning monster patterns.

@Witzbold:That's interesting. It certainly changes my perspective on things.

Do you work for a gaming company in Japan?

@Witzbold: I still like Level-5, but this isn't the first time their relative inexperience with online play has harmed one of their games. True Fantasy Live Online was a huge setback for the company, as you remember. Then we get White Knight Chronicles, which was going to be fantastic until they decided to shoehorn online into the game halfway through development. Now, we have DQ9, where they announce online play at launch then slowly phase it out.

I'm just saying, history has not exactly been kind to L5 regarding online play. I still love that developer, Dark Cloud 2 is one of my favorite PS2 RPGs. I just don't really think they're the best studio to look at in terms of innovating online play in the Japanese development sphere.

@ye0073: マジで？これはダメだよ。

@Archaotic: No I never said I stopped following the game, just the co-op play.

@Captain Pigeon: I don't quite see a correlation between my status as a journalist and my complete lack of faith or trust in other human beings.

There IS no point in playing a multiplayer game except to win. There's no story, no progression, no buildup. There is winning and there is losing. At least with a single player game I can pretend there's a point to all the time I'm wasting with it.

@Archaotic: Well if you knew what happened with Level5 and WKS along with their hand being forced to implement online into a game that was not designed for it Id say its not their fault. Even more so that a PS3 game isnt something you can just say "Well shit back to square one!". So they had to make do with what they had. Plus all the variables that they have to work with the high end project WKS was and getting all of that to work on an online enviro would be much more difficult than a DS game.

Seriously so you judge them off of 1 title? Good job.

So, even japanese users are getting pissed off? Wake up Nintendo..

@Archaotic: Well Level-5 does make great DQ games and folks were very happy with 8, but will have to see how their work goes with 9 first hand.

Unless they plan to do something else with 10.

The later DQ games did not have short dev cycles from the Super Famicon till the PS2 the dev time seemes to change between 3-5 years. Its a series that they dont seem to rush out all that often so I doubt its the time development takes is what they are worried about. Even more so that DQ franchise is not one of the "international" titles either.

@Archaotic: I really don't see how you can consider yourself a game "journalist", if you honestly believe there's no point of playing a game if you don't "win".

Captain Pigeon

@Witzbold: The point I was making is simply that I don't trust Level-5 of all developers to pull off a convincing, capable, or finished online mode.

It has nothing to do with DQ9.

@Witzbold: I wouldn't be surprised if an action-RPG spinoff DOES show up on the DS at some point in the future.

Though, it is notable that Level-5 isn't developing Dragon Quest X...maybe Enix is fed up with their extremely long dev cycle and has decided to just do it in-house this time?

@ye0073: And you are posting this for what reason may I ask?

Im suprised that Enix hasnt just gone and created a dungeon crawler DQ game in the arcades similar to SEGAs Quest for D series.

Hell with how many of those types of games saves data to a card it wouldnt be that difficult to have fit in a whole story to the arcade game itself, have network playability and make a shit ton of money at the same time.

Spinoff or not I can almost assure you that it would make bank for both SQEX and the arcades.

The good news is at least now SQEX is dabbling in the cardgame arcade scene and such, though the question is if they will even bother to think up of something like that.

Hell theres a lot of their old IPs that they could attempt projects with but have not.

@Captain Pigeon: I'm not a shooter fan, no. Nothing makes me angrier than setting up an intricate strategy and then having some little pissant coward with a sniper rifle take me out in one hit from across the map.

The only games I like to play with my friends are fighters, since I generally almost always win. I see no point in playing a game if I don't win.

@Witzbold: Ugh...I was hunting for piscine livers last night. Those stupid sand sharks would spend 5 minutes at a time hiding under the sand, then pop up for 20 seconds, and if I wasn't chasing them at top speed when they did it, I'd have to wait another 5 minutes because I didn't bring enough sonic bombs. I was almost pulling my hair out.

I finally got my Iron Katana Glory last night, though. I just wish it looked cool, every other weapon available is so much more badass than what I have. :[

@Archaotic: See once again you dont understand how the DQ9 online works in the first place so your comment does not make sense. Unlike WKS the multiplayer was planned from the start along with the features that were to be used.

All the online would have given to the players / done to the game itself was give players the choice to meet up / play together with their friends online instead of having to hump it to said location to play together. Which is not something everyone can do. Even more so in the day and age where many folks make friends through the internet which does not always lead to close proximity to one another.

@Black-Dog-Howls: Ive played a lot of FPSes and with anything there are a lot of games with shit AI but on the other hand there are many other games with great AI also.

While here in Japan Ive rarely seen any real good AI.

Yeah MH the monsters are more set on patterns and flags apparently. At times those fuck up and you get left watching said monster hide underground / underwater for the whole round or superman forever and never come back until the mission time ends. Jesus christ you have no idea how much stress that amounts to at times.

Would be interesting though, but at the same time have not seen any sort of AI that has ever been able to do that asides from some fighting games that do adjust to you the more you play.

@Archaotic: You honestly find no fun in playing in a team or against your friends? Must not be a fan of most shooters then I imagine, as that's definately one of their main draws.

Captain Pigeon

@Witzbold: This sort of ties into a comment of yours I replied to below.

I think what happens is these features are created out of the perceived necessity of the gaming public. In America people rely on WiFi due to most peoples proximity to their friends. Our infrastructure was not built for public transportation, and obviously, we're so much more spread out over here than in Japan.

I'm not sure of your take, but I'm under the impression that Japanese don't like internet gaming in general, and prefer features like ad-hoc. But I think your right that they need to catch up, if not just for their sake, but for ours. :P All games need WiFi.

@Archaotic: Square Enix could have had both games in the sense if they just made the action adventure one a spinoff. Instead of branding it with the new number which the fans have risen up against. So Id say its still open to option and Im sure they didnt just go tossing the original source code into the trash.

@bakagaijin: Well truthfully within companies sure, but on the outside on the way to work and such not as much.

Games that have an roaming mode that checks for other people and trades info / gifts like nintendogs? and The World Ends with You works for in-between areas but for things that require folks to sitdown and play together its most likely more during lunch breaks or after work. Even then depending on peoples schedules its not that simple with Japan.

Granted in game companies you see it more often, but in other more normal ones even less.

On the weekends might be a different story, but for many the weekends is the time for folks to do all the things that they normally cant on the weekdays. So really depends. I think the online feature would have allowed folks to not have to force themselves to go meet up in person and just be able to do it from their homes at their own leisure.

Its why netgames are quite popular in Japan still for many. Granted nothing like the US but still popular.

@Witzbold: Monster Hunter could benefit from some better AI. Monsters that can learn your tendencies would be pretty spectacular. Don't kid yourself though, FPSes are the prime example of bad AI in western games. Not many studios get FPS AI right.

However, yeah, Japan needs some online back end software classes.

Black-Dog-Howls

@Witzbold: From the looks of it, the new Blue Dragon sequel on DS (the one by Namco Bandai, not BD Plus) is turning out to be exactly what DQ9's original concept was going to be.

Not surprisingly, I hate Blue Dragon, so I won't be playing it, but I'm sure the people who're pissed about DQ9 becoming a traditional turn-based RPG will enjoy it as a consolation.

@Witzbold: It's definitely true, developers in Japan have serious trouble with online play; then again, looking at the way White Knight Chronicles panned out, it's probably better for the overall DQ9 product that it DOESN'T have online play.

The last thing Japan would want is a DQ game where half the plot is chopped out and replaced with a half-baked online mode that in any other RPG would've just been a side mode, also resulting in a general tone-down of the game from its original concept.

@Captain Pigeon: Eh, perhaps I'm just growing increasingly bitter and antisocial the longer I'm out of college, but I just don't see a point in playing anything but fighters with other people. If they get in my way, they deserve to get stomped on.

@Witzbold: I find this comment surprising, because I've always thought being in Japan (big cities at least) finding people to play with would be much easier than here in America.

I mean, how Japanese commute is one of the reasons portables are so popular; going somewhere with a friend on a train is much more likely than most places in America. I would think it would be that much easier in Japan to hook up with your friends to play.

It's just so much more work to use something like ad-hoc here. It's almost useless.

What's your take?

@Archaotic: I have to disagree, I mean yes if the story is a major focus, multiplayer can well be detrimental to the your overall enjoyment of the game, as it can dilute the storyline somewhat. However you have said time and time again storyline is not what DQ is about, so therefore it must surely be about the experience itself. And as is with the case with many such things, sharing that experience with other people, namely your friends, can greatly enhance even the most mundance of tasks.

Captain Pigeon

@Witzbold: Still I do agree with people who say it was quite a letdown to know that there is no online play and just local.

The DS wifi system is a joke anyway. Even with the final fantasy games that allowed online, searching down friend codes is ridiculous. The whole nintendo online system is screwed up. Why they would think that the people who play online would want all that trouble to add friends.....

But its still dragon quest which means the wifes gonna force me to bring it home

Ur-Lord-Crypy

@bakagaijin: Im suprised that Nintendo + Square didnt just allow for network play with having the DS piggyback off the Wiis wireless.

Not to mention its not like they didnt have time to research this issue considering the fact that they had scrapped the original project and went back to semi-square 1.

If there is one thing Japan needs more of (the game industry that is) is folks who know how to make the online components of games work. Since that is one thing they lack in the most Id say. Asides from AI also, but its not like they make a lot of games where a high class AI would be required such as with the US and open world games or in FPSes.

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@RicoTheSaboteur: It's not really Nintendo's decision when it comes to having WFC support or not. That's entirely up to Square Enix and Level-5, as far as I know, though I might be wrong there as I really don't follow that service much.

You may have a point about the chat thing, but frankly, if it DID have WFC support, there likely would be a chat system of some sort built in.

@Jim81Jim: They wanted to drink more Ovaltine, I guess.

@Archaotic: Asides from the chinese knockoff and God Eater (Which we still do not know much about asides from screenshots and the usual famitsu speil) there are not too many games that can fall into the same category as Monster Hunter.

Even more so considering the fact that Monster Hunter is not a level based game. Granted gear makes the difference still without the proper skill the gear does not make much of a diff.

If you want a closer looking title on the DS there is the Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles (Rings of Fate / Echos of Time) or Soma Bringer. Cept FF:CC would be closer due to seeing actual changes to your characters gear when you get new equipment.

@Archaotic: The quality of the game and its gameplay are completely irrelevant to the discussion. The only relevant thing is that it is a multi-player game and yet Nintendo did not feel the need to make it multi-player over WiFi.

I would think the reason behind it is the lack of even the most rudimentary chat system in the game.

@Captain Pigeon: I guess I just can't see a point in playing ANY single player RPG, Dragon Quest or not, with other people. The fact that there'd be some retard going "SKIP THIS SCENE IT'S BORING I DON'T WANT TO WATCH IT LET'S GO FIGHT STUFF" during every cutscene, or stealing all the good rare drops, just makes that a horribly unattractive prospect.

RPGs are meant to be enjoyed alone. Adding extra people to the equation is just a distraction and a detriment to the rest of the game.

@bakagaijin: I also hear Capcom is releasing "Monster Hunter" along side the slightly less popular "Monster Honter".

Damn typo's. :P

@Archaotic: I"m of the belief that if a portable game has any sort of ad-hoc mode built in, it 100% must have WiFi play, regardless of how deep the function is.

Yeah, I suppose turn-based RPG co-op may be boring, but in this day and age I should be able to connect to my boring game in the manner of my choosing.

For example: Capcom is re-releasing Monster Honter here, and there STILL isn't any WiFi play? For us Americans, it's almost a necessity.

No WiFi is inexcusable.

@Archaotic: Because amazingly, some people like to play with their friends. I really don't see what's so hard to get, Wi Fi would let them play with their friends from greater distances away. I mean people watch sport with their friends, neither party has any control over whats happening, yet its a bonding experience, much like this is.

Captain Pigeon

@thaKingRocka: Btw guess how DQ went from an action rpg back to the standard formula?

The fans complained. LOTS of them.

@Archaotic: Just like whats the point of you beating the dead horse constantly?

If you cant figure out why there is wi-fi after all of the trailers then I doubt seriously all of us here who dont own the game yet are going to be able to convince you otherwise as to a reason for it existing.

@Witzbold: It was a point and click dungeon crawler with randomized levels? Really?

Huh. Ah well, not like it matters anyway, that game is never coming out.

@Witzbold: I'm still wondering just what point in wi-fi there would be for this game, considering it's not an action game anymore.

This makes sense to me since not everyone has the time to always be going around outside meeting with friends just to play together.

@thaKingRocka: ...we're talking about a country that mailed death threats to Hideo Kojima for quitting directing Metal Gear Solid games.

Japanese gamers complain just as much as Western ones do, and in certain isolated cases even more so.

@Jim81Jim: They thought it would have a rich, creamy center.

PerswAsian

@Archaotic: Incorrect. It was suposed to be on the same line as diablo based games. If you are going to use another game as an example at least do one that makes the least bit of sense.

@Archaotic: There you go complaining again. Seriously stop commenting on DQ9 stories since its quite obvious you are not a fan of the series nor does it seem like you will even bother with the game asides to go nitpicking at things that just YOU dont like.

yikes, those numbers are pretty bad. good thing for enix that japanese consumers aren't very big complainers.

When they announced the game during 2006 , it was not turn-based game. ^^

It was more like a online rpg for DQ series even the producer stated this during interview. That why It only allow 1 save for this game.

Now, they delay the game because they cannot solve the wifi problem, and they changed everything.

They tone down the graphic graphic..
Battle system changed.
No more Wifi.

Many Japanese hardcore gamers are not happy with this.

I will be laughing if FF gaiden supports wifi play lol.

ye0073

wait i thought DQ9 had some kind of action rpg system for battles...so its traditional rpg with co-op?!?! uh

@Ueziel: DQ8's battles were really, really dull to me for some reason. I know you can turn the animations off and all, but why play a game if you're just going to skip everything? It's not like there's a gripping story to pay attention to. :[

@chronomasakari is dizzy from the spinning of games: Wait, so the only reason you were following the game was because of the wi-fi mode, but you have no friends to play it with, but now that it doesn't have it, you don't want to play the game? Wouldn't not having it be a good thing for you?

Tht@Archaotic: The co-op I believe was mainly for quests or something, once I found out there would be no wi-fi support I stopped acknowledging it's existance cause I'll never have any friends irl that would want to play DQ9 with me.

@Archaotic: Uh, are we playing the same game? DQ's battles take 30 seconds or less unless it's a boss. There's nothing slow about it.

@Jim81Jim: they didnt even know there were Dragons or Quests, let alone 9 of them!

pandafresh

@SanbornHaermm: its true, i look just like those models in european psp ads.

pandafresh

@Kalone: You and this homeless guy with a tinfoil hat I've seen a few times lately.

@Archaotic: Civilization is a turned based game. It might be a strategy game but it's even slower than Dragon Quest is. So, heh, whatever works.

Black-Dog-Howls

@That mop mutant from NES.: Seiken Densetsu is an action game, I can fully see online multiplayer for a game like that working.

For a turn-based game, that'd just be boring, especially since drop-in/drop-out co-op doesn't make sense in a full-length story based game. Both players have to progress and all, it's not like you'd be able to just jump into someone else's game with your level 1 character or have a friend hop in with a level 99 character and help you burn through the entire game.

Not to mention Dragon Quest's battle system is so slow-paced and boring as it is, you'd hardly get to do ANYTHING.

@Jim81Jim:

• I thought it was possible: 83.3 percent

• I knew it wasn't possible: 7.4 percent

• I didn't know about this: 9.3 percent

There, mystery solved.

Showmeyomoves!

@Archaotic: Hey, I used to play Seiken Detsu on a rom using TCP/IP to play over the net with a friend.

Why not use WFC for a turn based system?, there is no A.I. system to input an action in an allotted time if the person over the net goes for a bio break?. What if you had the game with wifi turned on all the time, wouldn't it be sensible for people to drop in and out as they please?. It might be useless in the long run, but it would be great to fuck around.

And that other mysterious 1 percent? We'll never know.

: (

Jim81Jim

@FunkyMunxy: "Quite happy for my JRPGs to stay solo onry."

That typo is racist!

Showmeyomoves!

@FunkyMunxy: The original concept for the game was a bit more Monster Hunter-esque, involving fully player-created characters and action combat.

Certain aspects of the original concept still remain in the final game, but fan riots forced Enix to revert the battle system to its original form.

That is because you smell, but some of us are hawt and smell like flowers.

SanbornHaermm

Personally I don't give a damn. Not keen on the idea of not being in complete control of my party, or the movement of my character on the overworld map. Quite happy for my JRPGs to stay solo onry. It's interesting that so many people got the wrong end of the stick though, was there a misleading trailer early in development or something?

FunkyMunxy

@Raspberyl's Lover: Whoops, I read the comment wrong. Sorry.

Raspberyl's Lover

@Black-Dog-Howls: In a turn-based game? I can't imagine how boring that would be, especially with Dragon Quest's combat system.

@Archaotic: Pokemon.

Raspberyl's Lover

@Archaotic: There's co-op play man.

Black-Dog-Howls

Is it a big deal? I prefer my JRPG excursions to be a solo affair.

AncientUnknown1

Hoho... I think the revolution is coming !

Kalone

What use would Nintendo WFC support even have for a turn-based RPG anyways? Trading items? A few of Square's DS RPGs have supported it and it just seems superfluous and pointless.

Maybe some of them are still thinking it's the old action RPG version of the game?

At first I thought the damage star things were blocking something that was not safe to be seen because of the placement of the "82" one.

RamsesLutherSmuckles