Tecmo Koei Boss: PS3 Price Cut Plskthx

Too bad the Tecmo Koei boss isn't announcing a 2-1/2D new release of Tecmo Super Bowl for XBLA and PSN.

casmith07

@domhnall: After Tecmo Koei asks for a price cut, and gets rejected, we hear him sulking into the distance as Keyboard Cat plays an uplifting tune to his demise.

@Omegastrider is playing FFVI: I wouldn't say that they stopped. They put out three on the PS2, and the last one was excellent.

@SketchyIndividual: It's not must have, but rather, all I need... Not everyone must have every console.

Omegastrider is playing FFVI

@Annie Are You OK? Are You OK Annie?: I agree also; "Whenever I discuss this with Sony reps I always ask them: 'Please cut the price', but I don't have a clear view on Sony's situation".

Only game I really liked from them was kessen. and they stopped that so...

Omegastrider is playing FFVI

@xblindx: Thanks cupcake.

@T3rm1n4L:

lol hey.... SHUT UP.

jk keep fighting. is't funny

xblindx

@Kanji08: You did it AGAIN!!!! :D :D :D

I like GOOD games GOOD has to have asterisks around it to show that i really mean GOOD games. Not crappy ones. Oh man I have better tastes because I like GOOD games. Dear sir let me break it down for you....GOOD = Your opinion of a good game.

That is all. You don;t have to write a storybook for your shallow point to get across k thanks.

As for your stating "Its a rental" Yeah I agree with you. But you can say that about a TON of games these days. I personally only buy games on release if I know for a damn fact its worth it. I usually buy through Gamefly or CAG links or the occasional odd Target clearance which for whatever reason often times has new games for like 10$ o_O. Anyway that is my rant enjoy.

@Tyr4nt: "Completely ignoring the fact that the current 80GB model is the same price the 360 Pro was at launch"

Most people have the sense to compare current prices instead of justifying their purchase with some arbitrarily anachronistic scheme. By Jove, computers used to cost over $3,000 without including so much as a CD-ROM drive! That makes this new Sony device a steal in comparison!

How much business do you expect to do when your prices are two years behind? People aren't going to adjust their expectations back to 2007 just to give Sony a helping hand. By the by, consumers don't give half a shit how much it costs to make something. They only care about what it can do for them and how much it costs. If it cost my brother $100 to make a sandwich that doesn't mean it's a sandwich worth paying over $100 for.

@Kanji08: Sorry, but nothing in that post makes you sound particularly well thought-out. Claiming that Koei is somehow worse than EA (or rather, the pre-2008 EA of old). I'm pretty sure that Koei has never had to go under the table to sign an exclusivity agreement to the rights for Lu Bu, nor have they ever in their history destroyed development studios like what happened to Origin or Westwood.

Yes, Koei has a line of successful games that are critically unpopular. Suck it up.

@Lezard: "Only to backtrack once called out"? It's even stated differently further down in the SAME post. Stop avoiding logic and attacking minor flaws because you have no other argument. "Due to the overwhelming evidence you presented in your argument against me, I've decided to completely ignore all of it because you made a typo in Paragraph 3, Sentence 5. Good day, sir." Keep on fightin' the good fight buddy, but covering your ears and going, "NU-UH. I CAN'T HEAR YOU!" usually stops being a valid argument around Age 6.

Kanji08

@Kanji08: I attacked your linking to Metacritic because pointing to that site to say "See? I'm right!" is heavily flawed, particularly when your own opinion is highly suspect. You are, after all, the one that said that Kessen and ROT3K are the exact same thing only to backtrack once you were called out on it.

Why should I believe anything that you write?

@Annie Are You OK? Are You OK Annie?: sorry i think this is a terrible analogy. in no way at all is the business of the dodgers reliant on the way the lakers operate. software and hardware companies however are highly dependent on each other no matter which we you look at it. it's a pain in the ass to develop for different consoles, much more to localize it in different regions where hardware may or may not be dominant.

the sega saturn had AWESOME games and one of the best controllers ever conceived. however it was PRICE POINT that kept it inaccessible to the general public. i would have LOVED to play virtua fighter, virtua cop, and panzer dragoon, but 600 dollars was WAY to rich for my blood.

to further prove my point, take Crysis. granted it's not a console game, but most ppl don't want to spend the money to upgrade to PC's despite high production values. you take a look at the PS3, yes, i recognize the greatness that is killzone2, metal gear, and soon to be God of War, but the price point is still not accessible to the general market IMO. who cares if they're high production games, if the price of admission is beyond my means?

xblindx

@undefined: i think this might have been the most awesome kotaku argument ever. glad i read it. but im gonna have to side with Kanji on this argument.

Andrew Alexandrescu

@QuigleyHamster: Oh damn it you beat me....

THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID!!!!

Every dev not directly making hardware would LOVE if the price of ANY system was lower... THey'd love if people GOT money for the machines, because that would only help them and they're not hurt in ANY way, unlike the actual companies making the systems...

Of course it's chic to bash the PS3 for the price, too, despite holding so close to 360 numbers world wide (and beating it out for a year)

Know what else this call for a price drop from a game company not involved in making the console does? Makes fewer people buy the system. They're forcing Sony's hand and it doesn't hurt them (Tecmo Koei or Activision) in the slightest to do that.

@Foxstar is in love with Kotaku's two Brians.: Maybe if you actually read my post, you'd see that I said Romance and Warriors were similar in that they were both set in 3 Kingdoms China, not that they had similar gameplay. Work on those comprehension skills buddy.

@Lezard: I love how you ignore the fact that I mentioned how I not only own 3 DW games, but have gone on to play most of them in some form or fashion, yet you completely ignore this to attack the fact that I linked Metacritic searches. However, I'll humor you and comment on my thoughts of game reviews.

Generally, bad games get bad reviews. If they were good, they would get good reviews. It's a difficult concept to grasp, I know. I don't think a game has to get a 90%+ to be considered good, but if it gets bad reviews, there's definitely a reason for that. If I think I'll like the game, I'll give it a rental and try it out, regardless of what anyone says about the game. Reviews are merely guidelines.

However, when 100+ sources say, "This game is kinda crappy." guess what? The game is generally kinda crappy! You can say I'm just a sheep following the herd, but I'd like to think of myself as someone in the 99% who thought a mediocre game was mediocre even after trying it for myself. So I'm really linking those to show that other people confirm my own opinion of the games rather than saying I merely agree with everyone else. Same outcome, different logic. I'd say you're the real "fool" if you believe an overwhelming number of reviews don't give an accurate depiction or reflection of how a game truly plays.

@T3rm1n4L: If I wanted everything to cater to "my taste", I'd talk about how all games suck because they're not as brilliant as Shadow of the Colossus, flOw, and Flower. That's what my taste is. Amazing adventure games, artistic masterpieces, and games that really just take your breath away when you play them. That doesn't mean I can't enjoy a fun game though. My preference simply lies in that genre.

This isn't about my personal taste though. It's about games sucking and not sucking. I enjoy every genre and have fun with games from all of them. However, I like to enjoy the best games of those genres. I understand that a flawed game can be fun for a while, but that doesn't make it good. The same as you may enjoy watching a film 1 time, although you'd have no desire to purchase or watch it again anytime after that.

Dynasty Warriors may be fun for a weekend rental, but it only takes a few days of playing it for the flaws to start showing, or becoming bothersome bringing down the overall enjoyability of the game . . . And that's when you send it back to the video store. Fun for a couple hours =/= quality game.

Also, your quip about being a "gamer" holds little weight. There's no point in stating you play lots of games to give your argument merit. I could say my personal game collection expands to more than 600 titles (that I personally own) of all genres. That I've owned every console since the SNES/Genesis era, have a disposable income, tons of free time, and play most titles that are released. But none of that has anything to do with the argument at hand.

I like *GOOD* games. That doesn't mean I don't play bad games. That means I don't enjoy bad games . . . because they're bad. Just because you like to play a lot of crappy titles (BotS isn't that bad of a game btw) doesn't make you a "gamer". It means you play crappy games. The end.

Kanji08

@Veritas7Ax: Amazing how (with a few notable exceptions) whatever you happen to be doing now is the worst. Other than the utter misery, I look back fondly on college. Oh, yeah, there is the utter misery. Oh, well.

yobbo

@Tyr4nt: Enough with the wifi argument. I have multiple devices near my tv that need internet access, so when I used to use wifi (before I got proper hardwired ethernet near the tv), I bought a $30 router that worked for ALL my devices. I certainly wouldn't want to use the substandard wifi built into the Wii and the PS3 (can't stream HD with that piece-of-crap) and I wouldn't want them fighting over channels with my other devices or my neighbors wifi setups. Sony's built in wifi has NO VALUE to me. On the other hand, the fact if I want to use my Harmony remote to turn on the PS3, I have to spend an additional $60 because Sony is too cheap to put in a 50 cent IR port is a big deal.

OutsideTheBox

@excel_excel: Didn't realize so many people were walking around with money-hats in this economic climate. I, too, plan to own every system of this gen - just not during this gen. Hell, maybe not even next gen. I'll probably wait til I can find them at a flea market for about $30, like I did with my Sega Genesis just a year ago.

@Tyr4nt: Good read, well thought out. Was also going to point out that it's pretty dumb for a relatively weak publisher (seriously, TK?) to request a price cut. But maybe, in the end, if they figure that people will spend less money on the console then they'd be more willing to spend money on the shit games that TK makes. It's one of those fucked up Catch 22's where both choices fuck you over. You wouldn't think that a cheaper PS3 would do that, but then you just had to go buy one of TK's games, like DOA or Dynasty Warriors- they're both...um...games...I think... which one is the stupid one with volleyball? DOA? Which one is the one that nobody gives a shit about? What do you mean, both?

@Kanji08: You did it again. You have to be the easiest target I have ever seen on Kotaku. You said "I have a right to say you have crappy taste in games". Let me point out that AGAIN you have a one track mind and think every one should cater to your tastes. I enjoy most games. I am a GAMER. You know what I did yesterday? I played 50 Cent: Blood on the Sand. I played through the whole game AND enjoyed myself. Crazy huh? a 50 Cent game.

@runandgun: Sony gets money for every game developed. If the price were lower, more people would probably be interested in developing, thus more money for Sony.

@QuigleyHamster: HAH!

hobob

@OmegaArchetype: It may lack a UMD drive, but remember that it also has the 16gb flash memory built in. So, you take some, you lose some :/

notquitedeadyet

@SaanZ: are you drunk?

@Griefy:How is it fact? It took me right up till a few months ago to match the cost of the PS3 I bought at $500 dollars with all the extra stuff I've bought for my 360 and there are countless folks out there who I'm sure haven't bought anything extra at all save for maybe a play and charge.

Maybe you should stop making blanket statements and saying they apply across the board?

@Foxstar is in love with Kotaku's two Brians.: Wasn't debating, was plan fact when PS3 launched. It also cost $20-$25 for a Play and Charge Kit at the time so really your $20 purchase changes nothing.

@UsernameOfTheDead: They would be if it were cheaper.

Bergerac

@BubbleF**kingBuddy: And Ceiling Cat sez, let thar b price-cutz: and thar wuz price-cutz.

And Ceiling Cat seed teh price-cutz, and it wuz goodz.

@Michael Ortega: they're asking for a price-drop to $300 or $200. So, make that price-drop by $15 or $30.
Ah, but margins are completely different, so make that $50 off. You know, to get many more customers. ktnxbye

@Ultima08: In Soviet Russia?

Showmeyomoves!

I think the price cut is coming also.

Mihos

@Kanji08: Who gives a shit about metacritic? I enjoy the Warriors games. It doesn't matter that they aren't critically praised because I find them to be fun.

Honestly, what are you? One of those fools that thinks any game that scores below an average of 90 is a piece of shit not worth playing?

@scalman: .... How the hell did you get in here?

D-K, owhoo... how unfortunate..

@Annie Are You OK? Are You OK Annie?: Yes, but people actually want to go to a Lakers game. The world isn't busting down the doors at retailers to get a ps3.

UsernameOfTheDead

@drdentz: Thank you captain obvious. I'm so sorry for commenting on a topic on blog where people are accustomed to reading and are capable of skipping something if the length scares them. You know, rather than just policing other peoples comments and saying something about them that isn't related to the topic at hand. I mean clearly I know they are talking about a price drop and it's pretty obvious to anyone that looks at my original comment that it's a little long, so thanks for telling everyone what they already know and talking down to me. Are you a Nazi? No? Then stop trying to censor other folks. Kthxbye.

Tyr4nt

@kev873: Thank God for eBay. Got my PS3 for $345.

@SaanZ:What?

@Griefy:That's a very weak debate. I spent $20 on one pack of recharable AA's and never looked back. Please, come up with a better talking point other then the 'lolyougottaputmoremoneyintoit'... one.

I've just barely matched the $500 dollars I've put into my PS3 and that's just for the system ALONE and i've had a 360 from launch on, with two controllers, Live and whatnot.

@the7k:The issue with your statement there is that Sony is missing the boat. Sega's failure was due to a massive storm of reasons, all brewed up over the years by themselves. Sony does not have the same excuse. Never have.

@Annie Are You OK? Are You OK Annie?:You also know what companies can do? What they were doing for the PSP for a long time and pretty much only release sure-fire hits on the system and release 80% of their other games on the other platforms.

Koei is big in Japan and they have a pretty hardcore fanbase. Some of us have been playing ROTK from the very first one on the NES on and never have given a cuss about DW.

@Kanji08:Tell me, what's the last ROTK you've played? Because DW and ROTK are nothing alike, same for use of the same characters. Nothing.

@Michael Ortega: Now this is an idea. Actually, something like Fallout 3 or GTA 4 are worth full price, but the vast majority of the crap out there should be relatively cheaper. Much cheaper.

@the7k: Only people who haven't bought a current gen console yet, aren't happy with their current console, or already have plans to buy every console, would be interested in a lower price for the PS3.

Yes. Thats a lot of people!

@iTwilight: There's a difference between 'cant afford' and 'won't buy'. I can afford a PS3. I have friends who can also afford one. We don't have one. Why? We don't want to pay more than £250 for a games console. I've asked about and this seems to be a fairly consistant price point. Some reach up to £300 but £250 seems comfortable for most. Like myself, many of the people I asked don't give a rat's rear what else the PS3 can do outside of playing games. Blu-ray can take a jump off a bridge for all I care and I don't need wireless either. Most of the 'hidden costs' of the 360 haven't applied to me as I didn't need any of the OPTIONAL extras. Those extras aren't optional on the PS3 and I'm not going to go paying extra for stuff I don't need.

Rant aside, I got my 360 for free anyhoo... can't beat that price :3

@SketchyIndividual: I love the word whinge!

@Annie Are You OK? Are You OK Annie?: "My point is if you make a game that is good people will buy those platforms to play them."

Not completely true. I know a good few people who seem to be in the same camp as me; they know a few games they'd like on the PS3 but refuse to buy one at the current price point. I could easily buy one right now but it's still £50 above my acceptable level for a games console. I don't care what else it can do, it's a games console and unless it blows my mind by having something crazy like full-blown VR or something I'm not paying over £250 for one. Ever.

Price aside, I guess it's true though. I did buy my Dreamcast for Soul Calibur and Phantasy Star Online after all :3

People pissed off for cries for a PS3 price drop are usually the people who already bought one.

SaanZ

@scalman: Thank you for murdering english

@the7k: I want alo the PS3. The ONLY thing why i in the end bougth the 360 first was actually the price.

Yes i am happy with my 360 (besides the hardware quality Problems).

Till now it is still bothering me that i miss out on Games like LBP, Killzone 2, Uncharted, Heavenly Sword and lots of the PSN Games (Home not so much, or better not a bit, same as MGS4) and much more.

And i am absolutely shure that i am not the only one.

That's what she said

QuigleyHamster

@Kanji08: Opoona would like to have a word with you. ;)

Selah

@Michael Ortega: Out of the box that easily put you $100+ more on a 360 at the time. >.> Seriously, the difference was so small when you added in the cost of a play & charge kit, a wireless adapter, batters if you refused to get the kit, the HD-DVD add-on if you were that concerned about it, and a hard drive (if you went arcade from start). It all added up to the point where me buying a 360 and play it how I wanted would indeed put me over the cost of a PS3.

The only thing the PS3 didn't have out of the box was a Headset and I already had that covered with a headset I got for my phone beforehand. I find it more of a problem that Microsoft is selling their console for cheap and they apparently have no idea how many fault systems are out there and will red light. Getting tired of my friends buying new 360s.

-@Annie Are You OK? Are You OK Annie?: Also, 'Koei/Tecmo games don't sell.'

You do realize that the entire Dynasty Warriors franchise is, as a whole, pretty successful, right? Hell, the Gundam variant alone rakes in Japan.

Evdor

its just stupid.asking to cut price.so what ,what then would hapen? after some time they gonna ask it again.what they should do is make better games for ps3 and stop crying.ps3 not gonna have price cut .well maybe a little,but not 100$ for sure,because then nobody will buy psp go,which will be almost same price as ps3,and thats what sony dont want for sure.and with all these best exclusives so far,you think ps3 realy need cut price?

scalman

: @Annie Are You OK? Are You OK Annie?: No, this is like a producer of Blu ray movies telling the company responsible for Blu ray players that they need to lower their prices.

Which is, you know, actually a totally valid thing to input, unlike your particular comparison, which makes no sense except to serve your argument.

Koei makes games for PS3, Koei believes it's sales could be better with a higher user base, Koei believes lower prices will achieve this. You can argue they're wrong. You can argue it's their fault, you can argue it won't. Those are all perfectly valid arguments. But saying that they shouldn't voice their opinion over the platform that supports the item they in turn are supporting by PUTTING GAMES ON is pretty absurd.

Evdor

@T3rm1n4L: Maybe people wouldn't say it about Koei if it wasn't *GASP!* true! I have plenty of understanding of their games. I bought Dynasty Warriors 2-4 before I realized it was all the same crap. 3 has ridable elephants and more characters! 4 has magic attacks and more characters! HOLY CRAP, THIS IS TOTALLY WORTH $50!!! . . . Oh wait.

I've also rented most of them since a new coat of paint on a rehashed formula is fun for the weekend, but it doesn't take more than a couple of days to realize it's all just the same crap over and over with a depressing amount of new features added to it. Just because it sells well doesn't make it a good game. Just look at all the crappy licensed games that manage to turn a buck.

It may be your opinion that they're decent games. But just as you have a right to express that opinion, I have the right to say you have shitty taste in games. It's your right to enjoy the games just as it is mine to express my distaste/hatred for them. Don't condemn me just because I don't like playing rehashed, mediocre games.

@Lezard: I got caught up in my rant and made a mistake. I even point out in a later post the games that play similar to Romance (i.e., not Kessen). I'll agree. Comparing Kessen to Rot3K is a bit like comparing Starcraft to Risk. Still, that mistake aside, you seem to completely disregard everything else I post about, most of which is true.

I say this because I *HAVE* played most of their games and I honestly can't think of another company who thrives so much off rehashed games that are so similar to each other . . . except Square Enix. But at least their bread-and-butter franchises are actually GOOD as opposed to stale, generic beat 'em ups.

[www.metacritic.com]

[www.metacritic.com]

Mmm, I love the smell of mediocrity in the morning.

Kanji08

@Kanji08: Lu Bu owns your face =P Romance of the Three Kingdoms is awesome, no matter what form it takes. Dynasty Warriors is pretty darn cool too.

Though, I am a man that loves his history, so games like these would peak my interest.

And, I'd take Lu Bu against anyone you can throw at him. He was the Superman of his time, ya know =D

@Annie Are You OK? Are You OK Annie?: That is maybe the worst comparison I have ever seen.

@Annie Are You OK? Are You OK Annie?: I think more companies should be doing this. Sony doesn't listen to lowly mortals like us. Maybe if enough developers and publishers ask them they might get the message. Not likely though.

Muckley

Funny thing is if people get the titles they want price isn't an issuse as much as people think. Yes a lower price helps but I bought a PS3 when it came out. Expensive but it is a solid investment thus far. Soon the price will drop and since the price to build PS3 is dropping we the consumers will see the kick back.

@Kanji08: Kessen and ROT3K play absolutely nothing alike. Quit trying to blow smoke and actually play the games before you criticize.

@BubbleF**kingBuddy: I lol'd

Jellopnik

@jedbeetle: Oh! it means whine.

jedbeetle

A whinge!?
This whole software companies asking hardware companies to lower their prices thing is just dumb.

jedbeetle

@Tyr4nt: Woah there buddy. They are just asking for a price drop, no need to write a book.

Also: tl;dr.

drdentz

@Tyr4nt: They see you trollin! They hatin!

@Kanji08: The problem is you're just regurgitating what every other person says about Keoi. You clearly have no understanding of their games. Sure all the Dynasty/Samurai Warrior titles are similar but hardly the same. And I don't mean repainted either. There is a lot of variety between them all. Sure they could do all those new features etc. etc. in one title but they SELL. That is key. It is EXACTLY like how madden adds one new feature every year. IT SELLS. Marketing is fun. Koei sells a TON of these titles so why stop? And I'm right behind them buying them because I have always enjoyed them and the formula has yet to go stale for me. Other games that every one loves go stale for me to. To sum it all up people have PREFERENCES. *GASP!*

@Lezard: Romance and Dynasty Warriors are both based on 3 Kingdoms era China and Kessen and Romance are very similar gameplay-wise. Then, of course, there's Dynasty Tactics which haphazardly throws together Romance and Warriors for it's own unique pile of crap.

The reason behind my rant was that all their games are based off of each other (Not that all 3 of those franchises were identical to each other). Either it's based on the same gameplay (Nobunaga's Ambition -> Romance -> PTO / Dynasty -> Samurai -> Bladestorm) or the same content (3 Kingdoms China, Feudal Japan, etc). Every "new" game they come out with is either sections of old games thrown together for something "new" (Dynasty Tactics) or a different coat of paint on the same old shit (Dynasty Warriors: Gundam).

The point is, the company hasn't done anything new or interesting in years and keeps on churning out mediocre games that all resemble each other in one way or another. If YOU can't realize this, you're the ignorant one. The only thing remotely different from their norm (that reached Western shores) was Crimson Seas, and even that was pretty dull. Everything else is just copy-pasted from other sources.

Kanji08

Activision is belligerent, lol.

CosmicElement

@iTwilight: IMO I think it has more to do with the consumers perception of value, with the 360 at $50-$100 less while still offering the same games (ie: madden,Call of duty,Resident Evil) non-fanboys or "system loyalist" who either don't care or don't know about the pro/cons of the two would probably choose the cheaper system as it's a savings or additional cash for other items. I think It is Sony's fault that people are unaware of the out of the box abilities of the PS3(wireless built in, blueray player,harddrive) They counted to much on brand loyalty while their competitor walked off with their exclusive 3rd party titles.

Michael Ortega

It's kind of silly to me that companies who generally make pretty shitty games are asking for prices cuts on a premium system. Completely ignoring the fact that the current 80GB model is the same price the 360 Pro was at launch but also includes wifi and is still a blu-ray player, never mind the fact that the system launched a whole year later or that the global economy is in the tank right now and the PS3 really is a narrow profit margin for Sony who has had record losses for the past fiscal year across all divisions.

Koei really doesn't have an impact on the platform with just Romance of the three kingdoms, Dynasty Warriors and clones/spin-offs of dynasty warriors. On the Tecmo side they've basically got DOA and Ninja Gaiden from Team Ninja who aren't even the same team since itagaki bailed and took a bunch of people with him.

Activision has ONE bargaining chip in the Call of Duty series and Activision isn't going to leave money on the table in the form of a missed opportunity to sell close to 10 million copies on the platform each time a new entry from Infinity Ward is released.

In the case of the consumer, though a lot of people have been bitching about a price drop since the PS3 launched. The same people who likely say they will buy a system when the price comes down and then don't. With God of War 3 and Gran Turismo 5 in the pipeline if the economy was stronger if I were Sony I wouldn't even cut price until a few months after those titles came out. However if they are in a position to cut price and keep it profitable, I would think they should do it in time for Madden 10 seeing how Madden 2009 was the best selling title on the PS2 in 2008. Meaning they have an oppertunity to sell a lot of PS3 to madden players who have been holding out for a PS3 price drop which will translate to MORE God of War 3 sales later on among other titles.

Is a price drop coming? We all believe it is coming this holiday season at some point. However, I really am sick of hearing about people crying about it. That's like acknowledging that their are plenty of games you want to play but are saying you're incapable of saving an extra $100 to buy one. If you're already at the $300 to buy the system with a price drop, then how hard is it to earn another $100 without spending it? If it's because of the principle that you're not willing to pay more than $300 even if you're capable it really just sounds to me like you're being unreasonably stubborn.

Tyr4nt

To be frank, and most likely this will seem insensitive, I personally believe that if a consumer really can't afford the $50 ~ $100/$200 difference between the three consoles, he or she shouldn't be spending money on such objects at any rate. The cost of one to three games is near equivalent to that difference which would further put the consumer into a hole if such an amount truly posed an issue.

I think that in the end, people will still buy whatever console they want when the price difference is so low. Unfortunately, the majority of consumers are, for lack of a better term, idiotic and aren't really well-informed about their purchases.

As a note, I'm not trying to insult those who have hit a stroke of bad luck in life, but it seems that such money would be better used to getting back on one's feet than on a gaming console.

iTwilight

To be honest they have a point. E3 showed me some definite PS3 highlights that have at least put a PS3 in the doorway for a purchase. A lowered price tag would give me less of an excuse not to buy one.

Work harder!

You know what? I worked hard for my PS3, now I've got myself a daily job and I don't have time to play my games, screw you Kutaragi!

@NitroAML: *20010

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@Lezard: I can somewhat understand Activision's point of view since they are a major publisher but Koei develops/publishes since niche games that don't sell hardware anyway. IMO

@Kanji08: Keep trollin', trollin', trollin'.

@zach a mac rack alack: *turn 360 degrees and moonwalk away*

@kev873: Isn't Alan Wake coming out early 2010?

@Kanji08: You honestly think Kessen, Romance of the Three Kingdoms, and Dynasty Warriors are the same?

Get out. If you're going to be that ignorant, I'm not even going to bother talking with you.

@Annie Are You OK? Are You OK Annie?:

"My point is if you make a game that is good people will buy those platforms to play them."

Definitely... when they lower the price of the console first.

Christian Hernandez

@the7k: Not really, considering that all three consoles are heavily supported all-around (making a console war this generation completely moot) and, as such, most people aren't into the whole "I must only have one console" mentality that fanboys seem to feed on.

Most of us would rather have all three, and the only thing really keeping some of us from owning a PS3 is the price tag (I'm lucky, I just borrow from a friend).

The PS3 will see a price cut when Alan Wake (im sure it'll be delayed again) or the next Duke Nuken game comes out. In other words not for a long time! Just that much longer until I get one. Thank God I love my 360

kev873

@Comban: Only people who haven't bought a current gen console yet, aren't happy with their current console, or already have plans to buy every console, would be interested in a lower price for the PS3.

Most of us have already made our decisions. Anyone who owns a 360 or Wii (and is happy with their choice), when they lower the price to - say, $300 - will just say, "Yeah, I guess I could get it - or I could get $300 worth of games for my already existing console!"

Remember when Sega made a made dash to lower the price of a new Dreamcast for as little as $100? It didn't help. Everyone already decided they wanted a PS2. Same shit, different time.

@(Zombie) Cursa: I agree it's just idiotic.

@Lezard: Kessen, Romance, and Dynasty Warriors are all practically the same thing. I'm like 90% sure that Koei isn't actually a company of people, but rather a horrible accident happened, causing Skynet to fuse with Romance of the Tree Kingdoms, thus making it self aware and started producing shitty, generic strategy and action games based on the setting.

Even back when EA was the big-bad company and now that Activision is the embodiment of all that is evil, Koei has always held the No.1 spot of my "Worst Game Company Ever" list nice and warm. Their games get rehashed more than Madden and Guitar Hero combined. It's pathetic. Even their new ventures are just fresh coats of paint slapped on an old and stale formula. Also, listing a 15yr old Genesis game and an only-in-Japan game intended for 12yr old girls to show their "variety" doesn't really make your case any stronger.

Kanji08

@Annie Are You OK? Are You OK Annie?: I think any licensed developer that has done a significant amount of business in developing for Sony hardware have every right to call them out. Just because they don't make the games like Infamous or MGS4 doesn't take that away.

@runandgun: To be fair, it was Sony themselves that made the bonehead mistake of making the PS3 so ridiculously expensive to produce to begin with. If Sony had taken hardware cost into consideration from the start, developers might not feel a desire to gripe about the situation as it is now.

@Ultima08: I've seen a couple of vids and it looks really good in my opinion.

@BubbleF**kingBuddy: Heh that was really funny :) ... Anyway we can always hope for a price cut so may cheap friend can buy one and we can finally go online and have some fun playing Killzone :D

Night_Elve

@SketchyIndividual: What do you use instead? Hissy Fit?

@(Zombie) Goldwings: This whole zombie thing is getting stupid.

@SketchyIndividual: Hahaha. Very true, my friend. That song was catchy for a little bit, but it is probably way too hyperbolic for anybody's tastes. "I wanna go to college for the rest of my life." Yeah uh, no thanks.

I love how the companies want Sony to lower the prices so that they can make some more profit(because they are a business) but they don't take into consideration that Sony is a business and right now they are losing money for each ps3. I bet they wouldn't like Sony asking them for a higher percentage of money from each game they sell.

runandgun

@Annie Are You OK? Are You OK Annie?: Its more like the Dodgers telling the papers that the cost of equipment etc is too high to keep playing.

@Lezard:I can't say that I know a lot about the whole line-up of Koei however, I was saying based off the Warriors series which seems to be the same every game. They do not develop hardware sellers and have no right to call out Sony.

@NitroAML:
Now, I'm not one to usually call games crappy before release. But I saw an e3 playthrough of Quantum Theory and it was abysmal.

Ultima08

It will happen before Sigma 2 ships Tecmo, don't worry.

Ultima08

@SketchyIndividual: I want to know who the fucking idiot was that started this redundant Zombie craze.
*bites SketchyIndividual*

@zach a mac rack alack: And proceed to walk right into the tecmo people.

@Comban: I was trying to do it in a exaggerated "Sony point of view," but apparently I failed :(

How about developers drop the price $10 per game?

Michael Ortega

@(Zombie) Goldwings: Wait... one Zombie turned into two Zombies.

Oh F*CK! Get to the apocalypse shelter and get my shotgun loaded, SH*T JUST GOT REAL!

@(Zombie) Jolan: oh bloody 'ell.

@Veritas7Ax: It'll be a blessing for some, curse for many.

I'll get to walk to my neighborhood game store, check the price, and say "Oh sweet! Now it's cheaper and I STILL CAN'T AFFORD IT!"

College blows, whatever that white suburban rapper guy tries to make you believe.

FML

@SketchyIndividual: well maybe it was merely 270 degrees clockwise, and 90 counterclockwise? Betcha didn't think of that!

Don't worry Tecmo, a price cut will be coming soon. In the meantime, go get Quantum Theory ready by spring 2010. kthxbaibai.

@MrBionic: Well stop bloody whinging about it and bugger off!
Wot? Wot's all this then?

@Annie Are You OK? Are You OK Annie?: You're not aware of the full extent of Koei's library are you? Have you ever played the Romance of the Three Kingdoms strategy games? Nobunaga's Ambition? Kessen? What about their Angelique series? Uncharted Waters? Crimson Sea, for Christ's sake.

Koei has done a lot of games outside of the Warriors series. The Warriors games just happen to be very popular and sell incredibly well for them, so of course they continue to produce them.

@e-friend kkkkkkocaine: I agree. If Sony is smart (which they are, mistakes don't mean they are incompetent,) they'll find a solution to the situation.

That new bundle is a killer and will help get those 80GB PS3's off of the shelves to make way for the new PS3 Slim.

Then again, Sony is charging $250 for a PSP which lacks a UMD drive. Hmmmm...it's a tough call. I'm rooting for them though. They have a solid platform, now they just need it to be more accessible.

@zach a mac rack alack: "simultaneously turn 360 degrees and walk away"

Either this is an "icwutudidthar" moment, or I'm just going to snicker malevolently.

"Speaking with CVG, CEO Kenji Matsubara has said"

Thought that said something else for a second...

Anyway, I wonder if a few other companies are going to echo these sentiments. Seems like everyone wants a price cut but Sony is plugging their ears going "LA LA LA LA LA"

I understood it from their perspective, because they were selling PS3's at a loss, but the manufacturing costs have gone down, a few PS3 exclusives have helped a little bit (none as much as MGS4 though), and enough time has passed (at least to the opinion of many). You wonder when it's gonna be.

@MrBionic: Those wacky Australians, with their Opposite Day toilet flushes and made up words created to speak around the prison guards.

What will they think of next? $100+ video games?! HAH!

Companies need to stop this publicity plea. It's like the Dodgers telling the papers that the Lakers need to lower their prices.

My point is if you make a game that is good people will buy those platforms to play them. So unless Koei makes a new game instead of insert noun Warriors. They could kindly kick rocks!

@SketchyIndividual: I don't know why. It's a perfectly cromulent word.

@(Zombie) Goldwings: *all sony reps do a z formation snap and simultaneously turn 360 degrees and walk away*

Well, they're honest about their inquiry, and they aren't being petulant like Activision.

Also, off-topic, but I find that woman in the photo is a beauty. Kimono >>>>>>>>>>>>> scantily/lingerie clad.

@(Zombie) Goldwings: funny comments? I'd say its a valid criticism. As is the current price point of the PS3.

I know a few people who would get a PS3 if the price dropped.

Comban

@SketchyIndividual: maybe it gets more use here in Australia compared to other parts.

Comban

@BubbleF**kingBuddy: LOL. Internets for you.

@SketchyIndividual: I used to try and correct people, thinking that they really were just spelling 'whine' wrong.

Then I learned it's some kind of british/australian thing.

dammit.

Sony: Make Dynasty Warriors less repetitive PLEASE. See? We can make funny comments too.

@SketchyIndividual: tis a great word

"Yes you do, you're just having a whinge."

I wasn't aware that people even used that word. It always sounded like some kind of STD to me.

Yes, I know what it means, but still.

Tecmo Koei Boss: "PS3 Price Cut Plskthx"

Sony: "lol nothx bai"

It's coming, it's coming. :)

@T3rm1n4L: ne time, baby. let's be friends ;)

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