Xbox Game Creator Software Now Out, Available For Download

Looks like about $5 worth of fun too...

HalcyonX12

@kablammyman: Though really, you shouldn't be directing your thanks and happiness at me -- it should go to the Merriam-Webster dictionary (and others), as that's where my definition of "game" comes from. Give credit where credit is due.

Communist Pope

@kablammyman: Well sure, if you want to call your job a game. That's the point -- there is no limit on what a game is. 'Tis all in the eye of the beholder.

And you're quite welcome.

Communist Pope

@LegPhoenix: "M$"

Your argument is void.

iamerror37

@bobtheduck: In Bay City, Michigan, the theater has one dollar movies on sundays.

@[twitter.com]: We've known about this since January if you have been paying attention. An I am saying this because you already have people defending this "game" as though they have played it only because it is an exclusive. PS3 fanboys are known for this, so I was just making the obligatory comment. But I don't want to attack the fine gentleman that made the original comment.

authorityzro

@okenny :) ...building bridges (to hide under): could this be... a nice person? With a brain? You my friend are a rare find.

authorityzro

@Communist Pope:
so, is programming a game? I use it as "an activity engaged in for diversion or amusement" as well as my day job.

I also change the oil in my car for "activity engaged in for diversion or amusement" (no lie, I like my turbo integra)

gotcha. I'm glad I know not to limit my definition of a game, because everything I do that kills time is a game.

thanx for that. :)

@NitroAML: Or it gets you a full game that rivals LBP. I can say now with 100% certainty that LBP is NOT 12 times as good as this game. :P

@DaFron: I played the demo period 3 times in a row, dabbling with new things each time, before I just knew I had to download it; then I was astounded by its low price.

I couldn't stop playing when I should have gone to bed...

@c0d3m45t3r: Yes. Download the demo and you'll see.

@Eirik Olsen: Everyone can download and play it; it just happens to be listed under community games. You do NOT need an XNA license to play it.

@Orionsaint: Because it's a community game, so MS won't put any extra work into making its arrival known to the public.

gordiehowe5

@CatPope: Have you even tried it? If you aren't hooked after playing the demo, then you don't have any interest in making games.

@One Man Freak Show: LOLWW!!!

(I lol'd while walking)

@ThatFuzzyBastard: Don't forget Light's End!

I just happened to stumble upon this last night, and since it's found in the XNA section I thought it was a community game.

Played the demo 3 times in a row before I knew I had to buy it. I can't wait to go home and fiddle around with it more. I'm really looking forward to how many different genres I can stretch out of the engine.

Highly recommended for anyone who wants to create games. At the very least, give the demo a try!

@verrius: Tower Defense is just a single screen RTS based on an existing RTS game with far more variables and options to allow some subgame modes to pop-up. Little Big Planet has just jumping and grabbing. It's far too limiting to offer such leeway and creativity when it comes to actually altering gameplay beyond level construction. Yes, the LBP calculator is very impressive, but it doesn't exactly offer new and engaging gameplay.

So wait..this is just a rip off of Playstation's Doom?

@ToastyUterus: IGN gives out IGNorant reviews

*ba doom cha*

Andrew Heitz

@LegPhoenix: LOL. You think LBP invented the conept of a game with a robust leve editor?

Man, you're just as ridiculous as those people who say FPS games didn't exist until Halo.

RockyRan

@Creampope: Yeah MS treats us pretty shitty in that aspect. Thier release dates of normal titles are usually very nice for europeans. But this stuf XNA games ..Nope I live in Europe.
This thing, Nope I LIve in Europe.
Zune in any form. Nope I live in Europe.

Seriously what gives MS, everything remotly digital distribution you keep from your European fans, I know you are scared of the recording industry and Game industry wanting seperate launch dates but this is getting quite sick.

Dehnus

Might have to pick this up (and LBP when they cut the price).

billnabors65

@UCHU: Bling Blang mang!

hobob

Screw LBP and Kodu. I'll stick with the PC interface of Spore: Galactic Adventures.

@D Mitsuki : Gotta have guts kid!: Get Spore and Galactic Adventures for a VERY robust game creator.

@okenny :) ...building bridges (to hide under): A game is primarily defined as an "activity engaged in for diversion or amusement," not an "activity with scores, mission structure, and challenges." Just 'cause you want to limit your definition of game doesn't mean everyone else does.

Communist Pope

@D Mitsuki : Gotta have guts kid!: Atmosphir?

Why cant they publish it on the regular marketplace, so that all of us can download and play it..

Eirik Olsen

I bought it and have been messing around for it for about an hour, and it's some of the best fun I've had playing games in a good long while.

I made a tree that shoots rainbow-colored missiles. Oh yes.

@nrXic: The target audience is meant for our kids, and it is more a tool than a game. I do hope that MS realizes that the actual audience that wants this, wants it to be more, so hopefully future versions are just that.

For now look at it as if this tool will be hitting schools across the country to help kids get into programming. In that respect I think it is going in the right direction.

Talryyn

@JTF: As an XNA reviewer, I'll say that a toy is not an inaccurate description. But it's more of a toy "room". But when you shake these toys out onto the floor, you can program them to do remarkably complex actions.

For example, you have up to six code "pages" which amounts to a limited state machine, and as soon as your object sees something, if can drop into completely different behavior.

I wish people would stop comparing this to LBP. They are vastly different, and LBP has several degrees of polish more than Kodu. Kodu is what it is... an experiment and a XNA Community Game-ish thing. LBP is a full game.

@Orionsaint: There's a *bunch* of awesome 200 point Community games---Audiball, Spy Chameleon, Sol...

ThatFuzzyBastard

<- tries to download. fails. remembers still lives in europe.

Creampope

I just hope it is also released in europe, and not like all the other XNA stuff. Only in America and a few selected countries, so we don't get squat.

Dehnus

@DaFron: I hope it is listed at all on my european Xbox.

Dehnus

@nrXic:

."it's a bit more robust. "

I think you meant to say: it has a wider feature set, for a different goal

It being robust has nothing to do with it.

@ToastyUterus: Link? Because I can't find the Kodu review at IGN ... a preview, yes, but no review.

JTF

@okenny :) ...building bridges (to hide under): So it's a toy?

JTF

@UCHU: Dude, you sound like you're higher than I am, and I'm pretty damn high right now.

I don't know, is it worth it..not money wise but attention and time? Is it worth anything?

c0d3m45t3r

@Erode: I think I'll join you. :(

@busboy33:

yeah blow is nice i have it.

@Kobun:

thanks i'll try it.

@D Mitsuki : Gotta have guts kid!: Action Game Maker. I think from Atlus. You can buy it on Play asia (jpn version). I think you can use it to make XBL community games? Not sure. But I saw some tutorials on youtube.

Here you can find a video:

[www.gametrailers.com]

@UCHU:

Note to self: somehow put that body-less head in UCHU's bed, godfather style.

i'm sure there's a great reason why no one outside North America can have access to this community - what's the matter don't they like our money?!

@authorityzro: yeah, they are. it's not even 2 hours old and yet appearantly LBP is already better according to kamanashi.

@UCHU: Eh, makes me want to go play with Legos.

@okenny :) ...building bridges (to hide under): Heh...one can certainly dream, I suppose ;)

@okenny :) ...building bridges (to hide under): Stop taking words out of my head. I swear, the last 20 replies across several stories I've wanted to make were already made by you. :)

hey seems like a nice deal to me, possibly I will be buying a points card in a week or two (got an anime convention this weekend and so I cant just spend my money on games right now I have something to buy) then after I buy it I will download sam and max and also this, sam and max is there, the trial, waiting for me, havent played it because I remember playing the trial on the pc and also because I dont want to have the message to buy the game and the trial ended when I cant save the game or pay for it now.

@Kobun: It's.... a bit deceptive to say that Little Big Planet just has "level creation" software and not game creation software. The Tower Defense genre and DotA both came out of the bloody Warcraft 3 map editor after all...

verrius

@NoBullet: Initial release June 30th 2009

Sure doesn't SOUND like it's been around longer than LBP. LBP didn't invent level creation, but it did make it accessible in a way that no previous level design game (such as Mach rider and Wrecking Crew) has. Certainly more accessable than more feature filled editors (like RPG maker, or dare I say it, Unreal Editor... or source... I could go on all day)

@mjpm: Where are there dollar theaters anywhere anymore... certainly not in California...

@Karlott: yeah, MS totaly had NOTHING to do with this, especially since it's going on their console.

I'm very interested in this. since it's been announced

@SaanZ: Just played with it for half an hour. Definitely worth $5. I built a couple of really basic games, but it looks like there's a lot of potential. I just discovered the example games, but I need to go to bed.

I say go for it.

DaFron

@LegPhoenix: Level creation was not invented by LBP. And Kodu was around before LBP.

@Orionsaint:

Clover's good, but for my 200 points Blow is stunning. Pretty, multiple game tipes, dozens and dozens of levels, tricky yet simple gameplay . . . best 200 points I've ever spent on the service.

busboy33

@Kobun: Rock Fight and some other samples seem to struggle holding a decent framerate. :/ Microsoft also misspelled "shield" on the Xevon game. Seems like there's a great deal of potential here in the way of plotting game rules and setting up some simple AI routines, but being limited to a unicycle and a few other shapes doesn't do much toward making a visually interesting, unique looking game. I wonder if they'll be DLC to enhance that aspect of the creation and fix some issues with Kodu.

@mfwahwah: Sure games can be made into games however this is not a game. There are no scores, there are no mission structure, there are no challenges other then the personal goals you set for yourself. I mean we can get into the abstract and say that say that there are games that don't have the typical qualities of a game. In the same right, we can say that LBP allows you to do some of the thing Kudo or 3D Studios does but does that make LBP a development language or a 3D Design Tool? I don't know but if we go from what the creators of Kudo, LBP or 3D Studios say, we know what are games and what are not.

Honestly, if you want to call it a game then go ahead and call it that. Give it a score and pop it on meta critic but you are not doing anything to give yourself a better understanding... hell, you're just fighting it. It's all futile at that point.

@ToastyUterus: Your words... O_O... your words... *wanders off with confused look on face... mumbling*... strange words ;_;

@Pretzels:

Whoops, I mean it better be good.

Pretzels

reviews from purchasers?

SaanZ

I played the first 2 tutorials, seems like it has potential. I bought the full game before I played the trial; it better have potential.

Pretzels

@okenny :) ...building bridges (to hide under): Games can be made into games too. That's why this and LBP are games.

@Jaems:

What would all the trolls do then? =/

Taz

@authorityzro: Completely understand... Statement's like mine typically put me off too but the reason I'm actually asking him to try it is because he thinks it's a game... it's not a game. People who think it's a game are sorrowfully wrong. Being a developer by trade, I would love for as many people to try this as possible. I hope it will become a gateway drug for development.

I do find it weird that it's just been posted and he's formed an opinion on it already but any hoot. I'll never insult or disparage anyone for not playing something simply because they don't want too though... I don't roll that way :)

Ug, this would launch just before midnight. I was planning on sleeping. Oh well. Not the first time. :p

@LegPhoenix: and yeah, these community games are fucking stupid, they have the community make games, that they submit, then ms sells for their own profit, i started working on some coding, then realized i could just drop some money on my own compiler and then make my own game the same way (c#) and make my own profit from it.

@NeVeRMoRe666: it cant be left alone, because the devs are fucktards who want to knock lbp off its high horse.

this is a near exact quote

in lpb they say heres our world, play in it.

and kodu, its like, heres some space, make YOUR world, and play WITH it.

what gets me, in lbp, they give you a space, and with it, the tools to do nearly anything you could want to do, if you have the creativity and the patience to work with it and make it work. like it lets you do anything, its exactly the same thing, they think they are better than them for whatever reason.

this game looks neat, and it has the creativestructure like lbp, but its mroe indepth, sure theres things in this game thatd have been nice to use in lbp, but they are two different things.

@kosikutioner: It's $5 dollars, so it probably couldn't hurt. The most you could lose is one lousy afternoon anyway. I usually fund these experimental purchases with the butt-ends of my MS points I don't use. :D

Reminds me of RPG maker..

@Orionsaint: Clover is okay and though certainly one of the better games, it's far from my favorite. If you got 200 points to blow, consider Miner: Dig Deep.

@Orionsaint: XNA isn't displayed normally on the tabs, either. Kodu is just following suit from my perspective.

@okenny :) ...building bridges (to hide under): And ps3 fanboys are the worst?

authorityzro

If you try to compare Kodu and LBP, one wil lend up sounding better than the other, and that is unfair, considering both are COMPLETELY different, and should not be compared at all.

@InconspicuouslyUninspiring: don't worry Kobun I got your back

;)

@Kobun: Alot of trollers are out late tonight...

High tide is where it's at folks ...

@LegPhoenix: For the sake of argument, let's say it does "steal" from LBP. Is it that big of a deal? What if its actually the better game? (not saying it is, nor would I think it is- I don't think the two are comparable) Would you play it or are you tied to some vague, self righteous notion of originality? If you are, well I don't think you'll make it past Pong, let alone the new next gen motion controls or even XBL or PSN since they obviously lifted it from PC gaming or heck, even the sixaxis (alright, I would forgive you if you didn't play it) or even our own everday controllors, lifted courtesy of the NES pad (or earlier, who knows?).

@Maverickly: Me! My 12 year-old son is going to shit his britches. He never met a level editor he didn't like, and he should go nuts for this. I am also intrigued. $5?! I. am. shocked. Bravo, Microsoft.

@Kobun: Dammit. My spell hath failed me. Plain link so I can stop trying to fix the unfixable.

[www.informationweek.com]

@UsernameOfTheDead: I'd buy that for a dollar!

Unfortunately this is five dollars.

Sad day.

@for years now?

/cast uneaten

@Orionsaint:

Thank you. Found it, downloading now.

Pretzels

@development for years now? Oh, sorry, that doesn't jibe with the fanboy brain.

@NeVeRMoRe666: I agree. Kodu is game creation software. Little Big Planet is a platformer with a level editor. Aside from allowing users to partake in changing aspects of the title, they're hardly similar.

@CatPope: High five.

Ubersoldat19

@Erode: *hug* I'm sorry man :( You may find a new career messing with this ;)

@Kobun: I'm gonna wait for videos as to how it runs, by people who buy it so I don't have to... yet.

@okenny :) ...building bridges (to hide under): Ah. We'll here's hoping we see some crafty original material as a result.

@Pretzels:

Am I the only one who doesn't see it? I just looked on my 360, and it's no there. Maybe I have to wait till 12:00? Only 13 minutes. Until then... LBP!

Pretzels

@Pretzels:

Yeah go by letter. Apparently there's games MS doesn't want us to see.

Kodu is a visual programming environment. You can compare some aspects to LBP...but the comparison can be misleading to many people.

In Kodu you can make a 2D game, 3D game, even top down view game, you can make new multiplayer games...it's a bit more robust.

@LegPhoenix: Ye$, I'm $ure that$ exactly what they had in mind. They $aw the amazing $ale$ figure$ for LBP, and $aid "Damn, we need to tap into that market"... and then released a 5 dollar game. Fucking brilliant.

P.$. using a dollar $ign is $o la$t century.

Ubersoldat19

@Michael Dukakis the infuriated Mets fan: It gets you 1/12th of the way to LBP. thats a pretty solid down payment.

Wow I just found Clover. Many consider it the best of the community games, yet it's hidden away?

@kamanashi: Games like what? This isn't a game... it makes games. Have you even tried it yet? You will probably hate it but at least you'll understand exactly what it is. No reason to live in ignorance when you don't have to :)

@LegPhoenix: Seriously? We're still doing this? Then Sony copied Xbox Live. So SCREW PSN, and forget PS3 altogether. It doesn't deserve a day in the sun.

How about, instead, we have a reasonable discussion?

@NeVeRMoRe666: I agree, I don't always 'love' the comparisons. I haven't heard much about this, most people haven't. I wish they pushed it a little bit more at least. I'm curious, I might pick it up to try...

kosikutioner

@LegPhoenix: MS sure is trying to copy and steal ideas with this indie game they had nothing to do with.

@

@LegPhoenix: Kodu and LBP were actually publicly revealed during the same month.

When MS revealed it, they were saying that they were working on visual program for a decade now.

So effectively Kodu was in development 10 years prior to LBP's reveal.

@LegPhoenix: Alright.

1) How and what exactly does it copy or steal?

2) Almost all great works borrow from someone or somewhere else, and if possible, improve on it. It's called innovation. Name me one great work that didn't have any previous predecessors or influences. I'm curious.

@CatPope: Cur$e$, I forgot one!

@LegPhoenix: How is it "obvious"... seriously, please explain.

@LegPhoenix: Damn, that's har$h. Why are you $o angry and what happened to all my $'$?

I don't see it on the xbox.com marketplace. I guess I have to get up to look on my Xbox 360. sadface

Pretzels

@CatPope: The ignorant call this an LBP competitor... the reality of it is that it's nothing like LBP. Kudo is a visual programing language. It was written with the same XNA tool that people use to make games for Xbox Live Community Game.

Why is it hidden?

@Maverickly: Me! Well, as far as having a pretty powerful game creation utility, but it remains to be seen how many parts and such might limit the program visually.

So why is it listed under "K," but not "New Arrivals?" I had been looking for it all day. I didn't think to check under K until I saw this post.

DaFron

@okenny :) ...building bridges (to hide under): But not to much fun tho or else profanity is assure ^_^

Luke does no one any favors ^_^

I'm excited about this... I really hope people have fun with it :)

@Michael Dukakis the infuriated Mets fan: Wild ARMs or Suikoden on the Playstation Store?

@Michael Dukakis the infuriated Mets fan:

Many a Dollar menu, Dollar theater, and Dollar store would like to have a word with you, but I get your point.

mjpm

@kamanashi: Have you played it?

DaFron

@NeVeRMoRe666: Why should we? It is fairly obvious that M$ is basically trying to copy or steal idea's from others anyway.

Yeah, no thanks on letting this have its own day in the sun.

LegPhoenix

It is time to create my Zombie masterpiece!

UsernameOfTheDead

What else can $5 buy now a days. Give it a shot.

Damn...this looks like a fine time waster now that I actually have time to waste! And the price tag is wonderful considering the REASON I now have time to waste :(

I have never heard of this. I will keep an eye on it and see if it turns out to be any good. There is little chance it will be as good as LBP, but maybe it will be a pleasant surprise.

Do we have to compare everything? This doesn't even look remotely like LBP. Let it have its own day in the sun.

Can I get it on PC?

Speaking of which, what ever happened to that platforming thingy for PC. Where you make your own platformer? What was it called?

Seemed interesting.

@Maverickly: Me!

DaFron

I really, really want this. Badly.

nice, its also totally different than lbp, i hated igns review of the game because they were pretty retarded when it came down to lbp vs kodu. o well, good for me i have both i guess

Kodu didn't impress me. I think I will stick with LittleBigPlanet for games like this.

So who has high hopes for this?

Oh holy FUCK that thing's face scared the shit out of me.

Well I have plenty of money to spend still, guess this looks cool enough to drop some cashes on.