PS3 Ad Hoc Party Coming As Early As Next Week?

@akiratech: because there is no microsoft handheld... He doesnt really have a choice.

Oh man please let this be true, I want to play Dissidia online!!!

I believe Dissidia can use it

@bobtheduck:

He already gave you the reason. The PSP is too weak for that.

@jakster4u (3D to 2D projections equation help needed): This is a perfect example of someone commenting without actually reading...

@Cactuar: Yea, in a couple of months when I get PSP Go!!!

Firmware 3.0 + this? That'd be a good week...(3.0 is supposed to launch "before PS3 Slim" right? So before 9/1, even though the Slim has been leaked?)

@jakster4u (3D to 2D projections equation help needed): Can you read?

I_Like_Bunnies

you guys with a psp and a xbox 360 with no ps3 are some most funniest people i have ever met
i was at gamestop earlier in the week and one customer was going off on why there was no god of war and disega (sp) for the xbox 360 when he "played it all the time on his psp" and everybody just laughed at him told him it was sony only games and the're on the ps3
then thats when i wonder why do people do that? why not get things that actually go together? ds and wii / psp and ps3/ ham and burger (lol) i kinda makes no sense

@-MasterDex-: whooh, bring it ON! Monster Hunter FU anyone? (in a couple of months time when Europe gets it)

@WhiteMage: i feel ya but like chaotic said buy one anyway the process is way smoother on the app than playing say killzone through psp's online itself (not that its bad) but for fighting game i need no lag whatsoever

@jakster4u (3D to 2D projections equation help needed): It... can...

@online.chaos: And it will only work if your PS3 is connected to router with a cable - PS3 using WiFi will not work with Ad-Hoc Party sadly...

@Ultramoose: Anything with ad-hoc can use it.

-MasterDex-

@Silveth: There shall be blood, your blood good sir!

Also, girlish tears...and no, they will not belong to me, AHAHAH!

PSN: JuudaiDAWN (JP) / JadenPrinceton (US)

@NekuSakuraba just wants FRIENDS: I posted this below, baht...

PSN ID: Silveth

Oh, there will be blood.

@Blastarr: PSN ID: Silveth

I'll kick anyone's ass with Warrior of Light, Firion, or Cecil any day of the week.

I wonder if Dissidia can use this.

I remember (and still see when I play) Monster Hunter Freedom Unite promoting "online play" with ad hoc, but of course if you have no idea what xlink kai or have a Japanese Ad hoc Party, then you're screwed on this, and many other PSP ad hoc only game.

@-MasterDex-: It was due to mathematical problem i didn't foresee in time.

6 year old little bother+ the stairs to the second floor=pretty big fall.

I worked perfectly before but after the fall it doesn't matter what i do it won't connect.

Curse Lily

does this mean i can find people to play monster hunter with?

Sony should just make the PS3 able to create a ad hoc server for all PSP games.

@Fudce:
what about if his friends dont have a psp, like most of mine or are handheld haters

pneboy

@-MasterDex-: Xlink Kai doesn't take custom firmware on your PSP. It DOES take a wireless card (Only certain ones work!), a dedicated PC and a whole lot of messing around to actually work. I messed around with it a lot for MHP:FU, and even after that I had lag issues because of something else...

@-MasterDex-: PSP is basically a portable dreamcast more than a portable PS2 (same sized games, about the same power), so I'm still not sure why it doesn't have any AA when Dreamcast did, but I guess that's always been a weakness with Sony.

@Gabbelgak: :D Totally!~
@-MasterDex-: ; _ ; .....I feel...a sad emotion inside my heart mister.

@-MasterDex-: Ah, from your first post i got the impression that you had a ps3. Well anyways when you do get one, signing up for other region accounts is as easy as pie especially since there are guides out there for setting them up in the place where it really counts, japan.

online.chaos

@online.chaos: Yeah, I'm aware of that. Sadly, I have yet to get myself a PS3 so by time I do, it'll proabably be in the European store.....well, probably not, Sony hates us after all :(

-MasterDex-

@-MasterDex-: Just to let you know as long as you have an account to either a Jap or NA account you can download and use ad-hoc party. But you only need the regional account to just download it, after that just use any account you have on your ps3 to use it. After that you just have to get around the language barrier and know which worlds to go to for your specific game.

online.chaos

@WhiteMage:
I understand.
"The PSP is wifi enabled, so I can player online right?"

I don't know why so many only use local ad-hoc, but I can guess.

Maybe it's a battery issue, maybe it's a processing issue for p2p connections, maybe it's because companies don't want to support a server for mostly pirated games, maybe it's a combination of the three.

These are only educated guesses, but maybe you can email a few companies and ask.

ReynaldoRiv

@Sisee: I know of XlinkKai, I was under the impression it needed custom firmware though. If it doesn't, that's great, I'll check it out. As far as connections go, I have everything set up to be able to communicate with my PC. Thanks.

The server seems to be down right now...damn! has it been like this long?

-MasterDex-

@-MasterDex-: There's a program called XLink Kai, but I'm unsure if it's still available.
It's also compatible with PS2, DS, and XBox 360 games with system link.
I could never get it to work as you need a PSP compatible WiFi system on your computer. And if you're connecting to your internet via WiFi anyway, you'll need a second WiFi setup as it needs to be configured to the PSP, I recommend a PSP compatible WiFi USB stick, I think Datel make one.

@DeeBG: If they are using adhoc on the PS3, just add em as a friend on there.

And there are more than enough lobbies. For everything. Period. .

masterage

@WhiteMage: Why do you keep saying 'there is no reason'? I know I already typed it once, but there IS a reason, and it's a perfectly good one.

It's not worth the companies time and money to support servers for the game. Just because YOU feel entitled to something doesn't mean you are entitled to it.

Revenge_of_Nekojin

@Curse Lily: I just recently got my PSP online with wireless. I'm loving it. I'm sorry you can't get wifi now. Mind me asking why?

-MasterDex-

@Azures: 1v1 or 20v20, servers for games cost money to start, run, and maintain, and it's no surprise that most companies are unwilling to do such a thing for a handheld title. There's your legitimate reason.

Revenge_of_Nekojin

@NekuSakuraba just wants FRIENDS:

-MasterDex-

@Kougeru: The PSP can't do AA very well because it's not that powerful. It still has fantastic looking games for a handheld and I've never had a problem with the lack of AA on the system.

-MasterDex-

Hopefully this means that us Europeans will get it before long.

Also, anyone know of a way to use a PC to play ad-hoc on an official firmware PSP?

-MasterDex-

@Blastarr: I'd love to. Not all my characters are extremely high though, I don't cheat and mess around with the date on my PSP for bonus exp...

It's nice that Sony is offering an official way to play ad-hoc games over the internet. I've been using unofficial programs for years but not everyone has the right hardware (although most do) or the technical know-how.

I have to admit, that's a really nice feature! Now bring it over here Sony, pronto! I have a hard time trying to find it on your PSN store(Japanese account)

zerokoolpsx

@NekuSakuraba just wants FRIENDS: Same for me, just got it when I got Dissidia :)
Will be so much easier having everything in english lol.

@exion: It's probably from years of Intertubes use but my brain stopped at, "I'm fed up of my cat blowing me".

Also I am looking forward to this. Although I'm not sure if some games will be able to support enough lobbies and is there any way to mark someone down as a friend that works across all games?

@WhiteMage: Buy one anyway. Do it purely out of spite for everything these companies have put you through. And then once you've settled down... I'll let you beat me in a game of Dissidia via Ad-Hoc Party.

Sony also played up the fact that Monster Hunter Freedom Unite would be playable through Ad-hoc party before the game came out. MHFU has been out for a while now with no Ad-hoc party so I won't get my hopes up.

WarlordPayne

@Curse Lily: I remember I had that problem once.

I had to gut the ENTIRE PSP to get to the Antenna.

That damn thing is made like a ...like a...

Rube Goldberg machine wrapped in tasty Kratos-coloured sauce.

Yeah it was tough...

@Blastarr: Probably!

@ChaoticInfinityX: I shouldn't have to buy a PS3.

I'd rather have sony install a graphics card-controlled anti-aliasing program since the devs seem to forget to turn it on in their games...

Kougeru

@WhiteMage: You should buy a PS3. It has proper online.

@ChaoticInfinityX: Then I'm angry at THEM. I don't understand what I'm saying that's so confusing.

It's not proper online. There's no reason for it not to be proper online. I want it to be proper online. It should be proper online.

What's so hard t understand about that? I don't get it.

....I JUST got Ad-Hoc Party from Japanese PSN and then I see this?

Oh well, this is great news :]
I have Dissidia soooo, if anyone wants to fight me? Let out some rage maybe? Then let's go!~ (I always use Tidus by the way.)

Heard about this a few days ago while on a Dissidia forum, and suddenly it's just "Hiii, I'm here!"

Odd though that Dissidia never shipped with wi-fi support. Don't a few (or more) PSP titles support that? I never played it, but I remember SOCOM touting that it had like...12 player online? Or am I just blowing smoke and that was only ad-hoc as well?

Nonetheless, I'll definitely download this, gonna' show the Internet that there's more to Dissidia than Exdeath!

Michael Nelson

@WhiteMage: They did... it's called infrastructure. But the problem is that it's up to the game developers to support the feature, not Sony. When Sony makes games for the PSP (like Syphon Filter, Socom, Killzone Liberation, etc) you'll probably find it in use. If games by Capcom or Square-Enix don't have it... that's on the companies... not Sony.

No one is forcing you to use Ad-hoc Party. Sony is simply offering another alternative to playing online since the 3rd Party companies don't all want to use infrastructure.

I really hope this is true! I tried navigating the japanese version not so long ago and was left confused and in no better a position than before I downloaded it...

and I need some competent support on Monster Hunter! I'm fed up of my cat blowing me up by mistake, or my brother getting himself killed and aborting the mission D:

exion

Will anyone want to play some Dissidia if this thing comes next week?

@bakagaijin: Alright the size example was a little off, but it still is not that large.

Nearly 80% of the japanese landmass is uninhabitable, so really it might be that small lol.

@Microshock: Pretty much any PSP game with a multiplayer element via Ad-hoc.

any1 want to bet if it does come out next week its going to come with Firmware 3.0?

they need to just integrate this into playstation home double plus quick and skip the silly separate app stuff.

@Azures: If you were to place Japan in the US, it would be the size of the east coast, from Main to Florida.

Japan is small, but not THAT small.

@GnatB: The idea is "go out and start playing with your friends - then go home and continue playing with your friends!"

@Azures: I agree... I wish more games, especially popular ones like Monster Hunter Portable/Freedom series, would include it (whether for a specific region or single server for all regions) when they know it's as popular as it is.

Thx Micheal for the credit! and I thought emailing tips goes straight to spam :)

oh joy! No longer will I have to sit and play monster hunter by myself. Can't wait for this.

Maybe I'm missing something, but if I'm close enough to my PS3 to use it as a wireless hub, why the heck would I be playing a game on my PSP and not a full screen game on the PS3? Other than the fact that there seems to be a wealth of portable games, and a dearth of console ones?

And adding the capability to play the portable ones at home against people who are farther away from you isn't the answer. Less portable games and more console ones IS.

GnatB

@ChaoticInfinityX: I KNOW it's not online. The idea is that we shouldn't be forced to use it- there is no reason they couldn't implement proper online play, that doesn't require I go out and buy a PS3, then make a japanese account, then download a program I can't navigate.

@Microshock: I'm sure Sony will release a list of compatible games and will add new ones with updates.

@ChaoticInfinityX: the original was a bit more sensational that i had intended it to be lol. thus the edit.

just many many many many psp games lack it lol.

@WhiteMage: I may have mis-read that part about the 20 players, but the point i made still stands.

my point, which im sure has been restated by others already, is that ad-hoc is not online. It's a direct connection from one machine to another. Apps like Ad-hoc Party act as a bridge allowing you to utilize the internet (similar to what infrastructure is) to connect to other players.

Wait, as soon as next week? What the hell does "as soon as" mean? It's been in Japan for a year, where the hell does "soon" come into this equation? "Late" is the term here.

DunnCarnage

@Microshock: Like Dissidia or Monster Hunter or Soul Calibur.

@Azures: My questions were more a rhetorical response to your initial post (pre-edit) where you stated that PSP games with infrastructure didn't exist. Nothing more.

@Slanzinger: to put it bluntly, infrastructure is called such when your system has its own connection to the internet, and does not rely on another system. it is connected directly to "the infrastructure" in a sense, the net.

ad-hoc connections rely on systems directly connecting to one another. you can form an ad-hoc connection to share net between 2 PCs for example. The ps3 ad hoc party would work the same way.

@ChaoticInfinityX: I just said we DONT need to host for 20 people.

Ad-hoc is one-on-one? Well, so is Dissidia. >_> And Dissidia still forces you to use ad-hoc to play online with others. :\

@Gambit09: Well that's pretty cool, so stuff like LocoRoco 2 mini games?

@WhiteMage: The whole point of infrastructure is that you [and everyone trying to play online] are connecting to a single location somewhere over the internet. Even though it has wifi, the PSP doesn't not have the functionality to become a host over the internet, let alone for 20 people.

Ad-hoc is essentially meant to be a one-to-one connection, but through apps like Ad Hoc Party or the less unofficial XLink Kai.. you are offered a bridge to extend the range of these one to one connections.

The reason Sony most likely hasn't released a PC app to make this happen is because they realize they have the opportunity to unify their gaming platforms. Why release it on PC, where OS and system spec variables can effect performance... versus distributing it through their own hardware?

Can't wait. I can use the Japanese version of the software if I HAVE to (Dissidia runs great over it!) but I'd vastly prefer an English version.

Get to it, Sony.

@[en.wikipedia.org]

When all else fails, Wikipedia will have the answer.

Mike Newlad

@ChaosProxy: That doesn't make any sense. That's like saying you couldn't tether internet to your DS with an adapter when said computer is connected to wireless itself. Which it can.

the ONLY way that makes sense is if the ps3 can only grab one wireless signal at a time. which....sounds believable.

F that.

USB connected psp = usable wireless net for ps3.

@ChaosProxy: And it must have a wireless connection to talk to a PSP.

It needs both to use Ad-hoc Party, oddly enough.

@Microshock: It's wi-fi tunneling software for the PS3 that lets you trick your PSP into thinking your PS3 is another PSP. It lets you play PSP games that only support local multiplayer online. It's awesome.

They really need to release it in the US, since setting up Dissidia matches in the Japanese version of the software can be a pain if the other player doesn't know JP.

@WhiteMage: Infrastructure play (I'm not clear on it, I'm assuming that by "infrastructure" you mean connecting directly to a router wirelessly - I know the difference between ad hoc and infrastructure connections but the context is perplexing) should be the ONLY kind, or at least the main option (connecting through a console is fair enough if you only have a wired connection). The DS has had wifi connectivity for goodness knows how long, and although its benefits aren't touted quite so much now (with the shift towards Wii online multiplay), Sony can't hope to keep fans happy by telling them to shell out for a PS3 to play certain games online. It's absurd!
If I had a PS3, and a PSP, I sure as hell wouldn't be playing the PSP games online when at home.

@Microshock: Playing games online, even though technically it doesn't have that feature, so yea it's a pretty cool feature.

What's this supposed to do again? Nothing in the post explained this

@[kotaku.com]

But that's only half the answer to your question. The other half is the maximum mobility i was talking about was adding wimax to the psp, allowing it to connect to broadband internet with cellphone-like range.

@Azures: So, basically, there is absolutely no legitimate reason?

That's exactly what I thought. That is pathetic, and it SHOULD be a localization thing.

I had no idea this kind of thing even existed before the other day, and it's baffling that people stand for it! To have to download a japanese program with a japanese PSN just to play with people who aren't in the same room, on a console with wifi? That's ridiculous. I'm quite upset with that. :(

And it really is upsetting that you need a PS3 to do it. :\

I agree, it should be part of the localization process to include Infrastructure play.

@jayntampa: doesn't matter. The PS3 must have a wired connection to use Ad-Hoc Party!

@jayntampa: there was a ps3 w/ no wifi? jesus.

its almost like an xbox or something.

@ProfessorLayton: It sure does.

@WhiteMage: Probably because infrastructure play, what you refer to as true online play, is not as necessary in japan. they play portables in like groups there on the way to school and shit, they don't need it as much. but we do in north america, desperately.

the difference is marketing to a populous largely contained in an island less the size of florida compared to connecting people spanning our entire continent. don't you think these different markets would have notable REGIONAL multiplayer differences.

Infrastructure play should be part of the localization process.

Yes, how we multiplayer, as i am suggesting, is a part of our culture.

@Lt. Archer: Yeah.... it's an open beta. Still buggy where sometimes even if you're in the same room on the PS3, you may have communication issues on the PSP, etc.

Hopefully they will take what they've learned and update the version we get, even if it's still released in a beta form, rather than just re-release it with English text replacing the original Japanese text.

Awesome their release it when i can't get Wifi on my PSP anymore (T~T)

Curse Lily

@Azures: Didn't the Syphon Filter games have Infrastructure? As well as Killzone Liberation?

Wasn't the JPN version still just a beta?

I suppose Home is still technically a beta too, but whatever.

Lt. Archer

I only learned the other day that Dissidia doesn't have true wifi online play.

And I freaking RAGED. Because, for one thing, I don't understand why. THe PSP has Wifi. It can play online. Why the hell do I need a PS3 to play online? :\ And it's one-on-one, at that, it's not like we need a server to host 20 people playing on one map at the same time.

That pisses me off so much! Unless someone can give me a good reason for it. Which I doubt, considering you can supposedly use some cable and third party PC program to do it just fine, no Ps3 needed.

*sigh* this is the one downside of getting a 20gb PS3 w/ BC -- I got it for a great price, upgraded the drive to 160gb ... but, no wi-fi ...

my my god god.

now if only you could retain infrastructure play w/ maximum mobility.

psp 2 w/ wimax.

@Monstercloud: Just because it's accessible doesn't mean its the only way we should accept it. Navigating the app isn't the most user friendly experience to non-Japanese readers... so considering how use of it after Monster Hunter Freedom Unite came out blew up, it's about time they seriously consider an English version.

Hopefully it'll come in the 3.0 firmware update that is suppose to hit soon.

omyard

I sure hope this is true. An out of town friend of mine just bought Dissidia. This is a feature I've been looking forward to for a long time.

"Sony Computer Entertainment recently trademarked Ad Hoc Party in the United States, a good indicator that it plans to introduce it to North American PS3 owners."

Or, PS3 owners that don't know how to get it via the Japanese PSN.

Youtube it.