Sony Starts Push For 3D TVs, 3D PlayStation 3 Games

@jimbojonez: Indeed.

@Timstuff: that tool is using special glasses with a cable. its probably the same lcd shutter technology as nvidia 3d glasses.

It is funny that even Tom Hanks can't stop laughing at how stupid Sir Howard Stringer looks with his 3D glasses.

UsernameOfTheDead

@katsujinken: Oh wait, I forgot, he plays with his head duct-taped to the screen. My bad.

I'm so happy that the 00s are the new 80s. Fuck 3D. It hurts my eyes and frankly needs to relax.

godmodeON

@Bialia: And how closely does he sit from the screen while he plays? Also can you say the same for Dead Rising? No. Wanna play it, gun to head, buy HD, yadda yadda.

@Rob_Nomad: NAH, i'LL YOU JUST LOWER THE SETTING TO RUN THE SAME AS A CONSOLE I'LL GET LIKE 15 YEARS OUT OF MY PC

Dash_Stryker

@somarix:

Alittle late Sony sorry... WOWvx has been out for awhile now and does not required gamers to invest into other hardware (except for the WOWvx TV). Philips & Panasonic has already released this technology little over 2 years ago maybe 3. And any game console is capable of using the WOWvx tech without buying addon's to the console. The WOWvx tech software is already written for use in Microsoft Visual Studio along with other IDE's of that nature... oh wait makes me wonder if the people that use those IDE's can just flip a switch to turn it into 3D without the gimmick add ons, wait yes they can. thanks for the gimmick Sony but no thanks really. Go make games and stop wasting gamers time and hopes on cheap gimmicks to sell the PS3. Or do something more impressive like start working on Holographic displays and make one of those Star Trek Holodeck things...

[www.wired.com]

cippycup

@Psudonym: uhm, I've been using goggles with head-tracking for over a year already. It's kick-ass, makes HL2-based games look quite real.. but I wish I wasn't near-sighted or had contact-lenses instead of glasses.
VR920

If these are actual 3D TVs, I wonder if they'll use polarized light technology the way D3D movies in theaters do? The cost would be quite hefty, but I'm guessing that if you care enough about 3D to buy a special TV for it rather than settle for dorky red and blue glasses, you've probably got the money.

@AllHailShake: It makes movies and games more immersible. The added depth makes it that much easier for you to feel like you're living in the moment with the characters on screen. You feel more like you're experiencing what they're experiencing because you're literally right there with them. Because of that, it heightens your emotional reaction to the scene, which hopefully makes for a better experience, depending on how well the movie or game is made.

Booji-Boy

@ShadowOdin of dubious snowiness: Resistance: Fall of Man was one the most competitive shooters released on consoles ever: i'd suggest not going by "from what I heard."

Chrasht

@katsujinken: What a load. My brother plays his PS3 on an SD set through component and it looks fine. He played the hell out of MGS4.

@[www.amazon.com]

[www.amazon.com]

wut.

And that still doesn't address the point that by 2014 Blu-ray prices won't be oh so expensive. I mean Christ, $20 for a new release is just oh so much. /sarcasm.

Right, because half you wusses couldn't watch Cloverfield without feeling queezy, now you're gonna play games in 3d. I'll have to see it to believe it.

GoonerVance

Oh I can't wait to see how much these go for.

Though I want to see a Blu-Ray release of Captain EO when these TVs hit the market.

Bricked

@domhnall: thats positively false!

@Mike Newlad:
seriously... if you dont want it dont buy it, let the old shit "engrain" into you if you want it to so bad, jesus

Payka

@AllHailShake:
why do you need someone to explain that to you... 3d>2d...
and no, 3d is no longer the shitty little blue and red glasses you got with your newspaper last sunday...

Payka

@ChonieRanchito: Avatar should be a good movie as well, apparently they integrate 3d without showing it off by throwing shit at you

@UsernameOfTheDead: If the Superbowl is broadcast in 3D, at least 10% of all American households will purchase a 3D TV.

@khuntilla: That's not really new...

@Weazl1: Back then whatever the refresh rate was the shutter glasses halves it so typically most refresh rate was at 60hz (50hz in PAL region) so the max frame rate was 60 fps but with the shutter glasses makes it half of that so your view of it is 30 fps. So the new (true) 120hz HDTV will be able to project the 3d images at 60hz so it's 60fps but for those who have selected version of DLP can enjoy the technology NOW.

@Rob_Nomad: Some of us are waiting until they release a 120hz monitor that does 1920x1200. Right now they only have 1680x1050, Nvidia had the whole 3d thing back in the days when decent was out and it was for CRT monitors. It was a pain back then since you had to lower the res so the monitor can go over 60hz and even then at 85hz your only getting half of the frame rate.

I wouldn't mind getting a 120hz monitor for 3d as long there's a way I can use the shutter glasses for more then one thing without using a PC if possible. Also most of the 120hz HDTV LCD only can take inputs as 60hz and then double the refresh rate to 120hz but that doesn't mean it'll work since the tv can't accept true 120hz signal. It'll take a good 2 or 3 years before it hits mainstream as long the companies keeps on supporting it.

@mfwahwah: Very nice - a philosophical response from school of 1st grade playground, if I'm not mistaken.

@Sir-Lucius has no pictchar!: And, I can pick up DVDs at Best Buy for $5 and a decent DVD for $80 ... so, umm, yeah ... twice as much lol

@Sir-Lucius has no pictchar!: Oh ya? have you tried playing Dead Rising or Metal Gear Solid 4 on an SDTV? It is not possible. The text is unreadable and if one wants to play either of those superb games then he or she is forced to buy an HDTV.

Isn't Nvidia already failing at this? This has "you're fired" written all over it.

RiverCityGamer

@Mike Newlad: Two words:
Future Shock

read it

@RetroBob: two decades? more like six decades

@The Cap'n: Nope. It's true. Also, 93% of people believe everything they read. 16% of all people know that. Perhaps more astounding is that 99.5% of American households still operate without a fully functioning sarcasm detector, leading to an estimated 55% increase in seriousness of all conversation.

@Mike Newlad: Technological advancement? The tech they are talking about using (shutter glasses) is at least 15 years old. I saw a glasses-on demo at least that long ago back when the glasses where several grand a pair. And the glasses were proven tech at that point (the demo was of a cool but overly-complex projection set up).

Technology moves forward when it is something people/society finds useful. Society hasn't seen widespread 3D being useful despite being able to produce 3D images since like the '50s. You're deluding yourself if you think 3D is going to create "glorious new experiences." Crappy movies and games will still suck and the only difference is you will have spent a couple hundred bucks so you and all your friends can sit around and watch the same crappy movies/games in 3D.

Are my 4D glasses B/C with the 3D tech?

jedbeetle

eyes... TV? eyes? huh? games. ti's why.

@Numanoid: I heard about that. My friend who lives on the Internet told me the Numanoids are responsible. But I still support the Numanoids.

@insane_cobra: I can't say for sure, but I'm pretty sure that Sony's 3d tech is already "in" the Bravia line, and I think that includes Bravias from last year as well. Also, it's not like the games are rendering in 3d space. Depending upon the exact tech it's probably not much more taxing on processors.

@d4j0k3r:
Screw that shit, I'm still waiting for that 22.2 surround sound to come to market.

Maybe I'm just getting old, but a future where one may have to buy and SET UP *shudder* 22 speakers and 2 sub-woofers seems like the textbook definition of a distopia.

@abort_user: Do you have any idea at all what you're ranting about?

@nrXic: Words cannot describe the disappoint that was Resistance 2.

@mfwahwah:
He wasn't expressing an opinion. All of your comments in this article are just snide remarks that add nothing to the conversation. Try to be a little more respectful of others please. This isn't gamefaqs.

@ShadowOdin isn't american: Don't hate. Resistance was a solid game. Resistance 2 on the other hand...

pfft... Rad Racer on the NES was in 3D. Sony is really late to this party ;)

That aside I can't see this really catching on anytime soon.

Don't get me wrong, I've seen a few 3D movies in theatres, but they didn't make me think "wow I wish I could get this at home!" the 3d has not really caught my attention in any way. It did not seem to add anything to the experience or (thankfully) take anything away from it.

xcalibr

@Sir-Lucius has no pictchar!: +1 this

The way Sony is doing is that they're slowly easing in the 3D tech. The PS3 already support it, there are already 120hz tvs out there. What they're doing it creating a point for owning these tvs. Not a major point, just for the sake of more 120hz tvs to be produced. Making them more available, making them more the industry standard.

That way, when owning a 3D-ready set becomes somewhat of a must-have they'll be easier and cheaper to get due to them being pushed out into the market right now.

So the next time you upgrade your TV the option is there, you'll now that it'll be the next "thing" in television, and it might be at an affordable price.

@RetroBob: As long as it uses SONY's 3D tech, then yes. I don't see this going anywhere, or not for at least 10 years anyway. Another version of Super Audio CD. What a fucking joke that was.

VideoGameFan

@Mike Newlad: theyre not pushing the technology forward. only a moron thinks that.

many sets are perfectly capable of displaying 3d images. sure it might not be the best image on all sets but its very possible. in fact turning most sets from 2d to 3d would be a fairly cheap process. but fuck that! sony needs more money. lets sell some expensive ass tv sets ignoring the fact that most people just bought one.

sony needs to get their hands out of the cookie jar. they are going to screw up the really good thing they had w/ BDs.

@UsernameOfTheDead: alot of the HDTVs peoplea already have a able to show 3d pictures if used with a simple pair of glasses. they generaly if they can run at 120hz (or double waht ever your standard rate is)

@TheOmnitron: Crap, now you gave them ideas for the 15th da vin ci code seuel

Ur-Lord-Crypy

@NeritaClymene: The other one you're referring to is most like Dolby Digital 3D. I personally like it better than RealD, but it's not because it's superior...just different. While RealD does a little better with images coming out of the screen, Dolby 3D does better with depth (which makes it my choice for Avatar). There's an even better 3D system they used to present Up at Cannes, but I can't remember its name. I think they're using a shutter system for the 3D TVs.

@TheOmnitron: From what I heard Resistance was a mediocre FPS-game which sold lots due to a shortage of good games around the release of the PS3.

Of course, that is less catchy to say.

@UsernameOfTheDead: theyre not. im not. especially when it is feasible to put 3d on many existing models. sony is getting greedy. im willing to bet this will adversely affect BD sales.

@deanbmmv: don't mix 120hz output with 120hz input, it's not the same!

@UsernameOfTheDead: Yes! we live in a consumer market, their is always something a person likes and will buy it.

@Dash_Stryker: ehm.. not "i can", but "i must" upgrade it, it's different :)

That crap is so gimmicky...I really don't want to have to wear those crappy glasses all the time in future.

hobob

@Shinryoma: but maybe the nvidia 3d thing indirectly brought us something really interesting, 120hz monitors :D

@insane_cobra: If companies start pushing for that tech, you'll want a new set sooner rather than later. Sure, you won't exactly need it, but until you get it, you'll be suffering a sub-par experience.

Come on dude, you're falling for companies marketing hook, line, and sinker. You do realize that early adopters actually get less of the full experience than later buyers 90% of the time (with the PS3 being the exception)? The desire to be on the bleeding edge is your own fault and not the companies'. It's not required, and I guarantee I get the same experience playing Crysis or Mirror's Edge on my $1000 PC compared to the guy with the $3000 PC. Believe me, I've had the multi-thousand dollar setups before. It's all about diminishing returns. Sure, the experience may be "better" on a more expensive setup, but it in no way justifies paying thousands more for 10-15% boosts in performance.

Nowhere did Sony say they are going to start aggressively marketing 3D technology to consumers, just that they will start making them available to consumers. Hell, even Blu-ray isn't being forced on anyone as there has yet to be a single Blu-ray only release. It was only a few years ago that VHS tapes stopped being produced. This is nothing new - improvements in TV technology happen on a yearly basis and have for some time. While there are people that buy new sets every year, most are fine going 5-10 years or longer before upgrading.

Not to mention by introducing a new tech that pushes the cost of the old down. As more 3D capable sets penetrate the market, HDTV sets will drop in price. While you can argue you're missing out on the experience, that depends entirely on the quality of the sets, amount of 3D media available, a quantity that is completely unknown at this point, and the price.

I guess I just fail to see the problem here. 120Hz Tv's have been available for a while and I actually know a few people who own them. This is just continuing off that trend and adding another feature set.

ohhhh boy. I can't wait to start sarcastically posting "looks good, but I wish it were in 3D" for every single new game announced. ever.

Crash__Man

@Pult|Ost - Not Backwards Compatible: yes vaio, and yes it was a good deal on good spec'd vaio.... bluray, 4650 1gb dedicated vram, 64bit os, 4gbs of ram 890 shipped free, well reviewed(from what i researched)... and estimated 4hour battery life...

@khuntilla: Yeah, they think anyone wants to spend more than 10,000 bucks in their products.

Tom Hanks + Borg Howard Stringer = Resistance is Futile.

Say what you will..but this is exactly why I love SONY. They are always willing to fully support new technologies...so thumbs up in my book for SONY.

khuntilla

@BryanH: ever heard of 1440p?
The PS3 can already do it.
Ever heard of 21:9?
It's all coming to a store near you ;)

d4j0k3r

@Sir-Lucius has no pictchar!: I don't remember the exact developers in question, but I believe it was either in one of pre-Xbox 360 launch issues of Edge or a GDC rant occurring around that time.

As far as the other thing is concerned, read my post again, it's all already there. Hey, you don't need a color TV either, it's just an option! Come on now... If companies start pushing for that tech, you'll want a new set sooner rather than later. Sure, you won't exactly need it, but until you get it, you'll be suffering a sub-par experience. If I want things to be that way, I'll just stick with PC gaming, thanks (I'm in the process of movig away form PC gaming for very similar reasons, by the way).

But forget about all that, what I'm primarily saying is that if certain companies try to force that switch too soon, they'll probably hit the wall, and others (like Nintendo this gen) will take advantage of the situation. Most people are just not ready yet and it's questionable whether it's financially viable to invest in that technology only for the sake of a handful of tech freaks.

insane_cobra

@bobtheduck: That's true, but I don't know that it's an issue of it being forced so much as it is devs forgetting to check how well a game scales down. I know I do it all the time when rendering in 3D. I'll take a 720p or higher render and scale it for web and then be disgusted at the results. A little more optimization and it wouldn't be an issue. I've noticed more games have taken note of the issue as well and it's less of a problem than say, Dead Rising. Although Dead Rising had small text even on a 42" HD set.

@The Cap'n: Really? Twice as much? I can already pick up Blu-rays for as low as $10 on Amazon and decent players are already going as low as $175 or so. By the time 2014 rolls around Blu-ray will be just as cheap as DVD at a similar point in it's life time. Were you this reluctant to switch when DVD was released as well?

@randomrawr: The point? It's that not everyone happens to share YOUR opinion. Hard to believe, I know, but you'll have to trust me.

@AllHailShake: You don't like it? Fine.

Nobody needs to convince you what to like, fool.

@UsernameOfTheDead: How can I take someone who can't spell "percent" seriously!

@domhnall: I'm the only person I know who has an HDTV. I find it hard to believe my circle of friends is the complete opposite of the average american poplulation. I'd take this with at least a grain of salt.

That said, what about multiple tv households? Wouldn't most people's second or third TV be an SDTV?

@Mike Newlad: why are we against it? Because new technology kills old and I finally just upgraded and really don't want to be forced to do so again for at least a decade. The 'don't buy it' argument is fine, except that the world tends to only support one format at a time. At some point, blu-ray will (probably) kill off dvds and if I want to watch anything made after, say, 2014 I'll have to spend twice as much and get a better unit. This 3D technology will probably work the same way.

So I'd prefer if it took its sweet time getting here.

Edit: I'd like to say that there are some people below who seem to believe that this is not going to be a 'rising tide' like HD is, where everything has to be upgraded, but a small set of peripherals that go along with HD. If that's true, that's better, but I'm still concerned that Sony is tying blu-ray into this. 3D should be a minor optional thing. If they try to make it go hand in hand with blu-ray, it feels like a trojan horse to me.

@Sir-Lucius has no pictchar!: This is all true... Adding new options doesn't mean they'll force it... However HD has sort of been forced on us, and it started with the 360 and their far-too-small-for-sd-tv fonts... This is a plague of 360 / PS3 games... What about people with SMALL HDTVs... They may be able to render the text properly, but READING it is another issue entirely.

Then there's ignorance of safe frames. People forget that even most HD sets have overscan, some of them almost as much as your average SD set... So why are we still seeing subtitles right at the bottom of the screen and action that goes out of view? It's ugly. Safe frames FTW.

@Weazl1: You're lucky you didn't get a seizure.

But, 3D goggles on the Sega MasterSystem, WIN WIN WIN WIN WIN!

BlueToast

@domhnall: I read somewhere that 89.5% of us have space AIDs, but we don't know it.

@Murauder: Dear Strong Bad

My name is Trevor. I am a vampire and

@randomrawr: I already wear glasses when I game, although they make me see better

Roughly 53% of US homes have at least one HDTV. According to [www.gamasutra.com] . Are those people ready to trade in their fancy new HDTVs for a 3d set?

UsernameOfTheDead

@zgreenwell: It is flawless, cuz now instead of accidentally throwing your controller at the tv, you will intentionally throw it at things that you think are reaching out from the screen trying to touch you.

Btw Has anyone mentioned the issue of BC on current PS3 games if the 3D games catches on, Example: Would it be easy to say play God of War 3 in 3D or would i have to buy the 3D version of it?

Why are people so against Sony for pushing gaming technology forward? You might not want 3D games and movies, fine, you might not want to watch movies on Blu-ray - so don't buy them. Those of us who want technological advancements and all of the glorious new experiences that come with them shouldn't be held back by you lot.

How is technology meant to move forward if you all bitch every time an advancement is made.

All of you who are moaning about Sony putting BC back into the PS3 should be aware that it's your own fucking fault they took it out. All this bitching.

Mike Newlad

THE GOGGLES! THEY DO NOTHING!

I kid, I kid. Actually, after seeing the great cartoon Coraline in 3d I'm very enamored by the technology. But coming from a young techie, that just sounds like enthusiast bluster rather than actual consumer excitement. I can't imagine this'll make people work harder or spend the extra bucks to replace their still factory fresh machines. But I do realize that people like me will flock to this like moths to a flame.

Just imagine for a moment the possibilities of having both 3d glasses with head tracking technology. This is the portal we've been talking about so long. This is the way we make that screen a real window into somewhere else and reach out to something that never existed. We're inches away from real revolutions in entertainment. It just takes a stupid amount of money to get there.

Psudonym

@UsernameOfTheDead: I read online that only 1% of all people in the United States still have an SDTV. Sounds crazy but it must be true. The internet is full of useful info.

Good luck trying to sell 3d TVs when a huge % of people don't even have standard HD sets yet.

UsernameOfTheDead

Someone needs to explain to me how 3D is a move forward for technology and not just a stupid gimmick.

AllHailShake

What is the point of this? I'm not going to wear ridiculous glasses when gaming. I fail to see how this is the future of video games.

im not a fan of 3D. i havent watched any of the many new movies that have come out in the past few months that are all in 3D for a few reasons.

1. goofy ass glasses that never fit

2. headaches

3. extra $3 per person

4. STOP THROWING SHIT AT ME ><

well i dont think most of the new movies throw stuff at you (besides final destination 3, my bloody valentine) but still that gets old really fast. and im still traumatized from "Honey I Shrunk the Audience" at disneyland from when i was 7 :(

@Shinta: I ... forgot to complete my thought lol @ myself

Murauder

I would only invest in 3D (which I would be keen to do) if they create a standard that works for everything. Can't remember what it was that was released recently in 3D, but it only worked on one specific TV model! How ridiculous is that?

@insane_cobra: By the way, I also remember some developers complaining back in 2005, saying that with that kind of power they could do practically anything in SD, but by increasing the standard resolution, a lot of it got lost on processing more pixels.

What devs are those? PC games have been hitting HD resolutions since before 2005, so I have a hard time believing that. Besides, Odin is right, 3D tech is optional. You can see Up in 3D or not, just like you can play PS360 games on a SDTV. Support for new tech doesn't make that new tech the default standard. By you logic, we'd be required to have HD sets to play on the HD consoles. And that's clearly not the case. The gameplay itself is in no way effected by SD or HDTV's, and nobody is holding a gun to your head to go out and buy a HD set. Options are good for people. Just because you can't afford or don't want to support a tech doesn't mean the option shouldn't be there for others.

@PolkOut.com: But think of horror movies with your hunny.

Mike Newlad

I didn't buy into it when Nvidia did it, I'm not buying into it now.

@grantanamo: Ohh, I thought you meant 3D BC with old sets. My mistake mate.

@BryanH: People are still upgrading, why not get the product on the market before everyone has a hdtv. That way they have a market to aim at.

The number of 3D movies already out is crazy and you're damn right I want to see them in my homes. If you don't, keep your money.

Mike Newlad

@BryanH: PS3 can already do 3D games. BDA are making a 3D Blu-ray standard as we speak and 120hz TV sets have been on the market a while.
So it's not that drastic change, just a small bump in the tech. you know that whole PS3.5 theory, just for TVs

@(zombie) buddhathing: Incredibly rich people with nothing better to do with their money?

Firecrest

@iamspoo: With the way things are going lately with constant redesigns i am so glad that i started to game mainly on the pc at least i can upgrade it eventually.

Dash_Stryker

The shutter glasses on the sega master system gave me a headache after an hour - how is this going ot be better?

Weazl1

@Murauder: I ... what? The suspense is killing me!

Shinta

@ShadowOdin isn't american: I said the NEXT batch of consoles. Sure, Xbox 360 and PS3 aren't exactly forcing you to get an HD set, but if you don't, your experience will suffer greatly.

By the way, I also remember some developers complaining back in 2005, saying that with that kind of power they could do practically anything in SD, but by increasing the standard resolution, a lot of it got lost on processing more pixels.

I'm not saying the move to HD was necessarily a bad thing - we've been listening about HDTV for years and it was finally the right time to do it - but I wouldn't welcome another similar change in the next 10 years or so. 3D, 1440p, whatever - I don't want it.

insane_cobra

@ShadowOdin isn't american: They're just going to invest in new TV tech for the "possibility" you will buy it? I think not. Insane's idea was basically right on, they will integrate it and force you to buy it, it's only a matter of when.

Shinta

Damn this hobby is getting more and more expensive. Hell I just upgraded to 1080P LCD from my 1080i CRT.

Not that I plan on upgrading again but as we all know if that must have game comes out us gamers will spend some crazy cash just to play it.

iamspoo

The only experience I've had of watching a 3D movie was a James Cameron documentary called 'Ghosts of the Abyss', and it remains to this day the single most excruciating hour of my life.

@BryanH: Agreed.

ClockOut

I prefer this over the whole "motion control era" the game industry seems to be going towards. I'll take 3D, as long as its affordable. My 3D copy of Coraline looks awesome on my 52" CRT TV so why can't they do this now anyway? Seems easy enough and affordable.

TylDurden

@melonpans: 120hz HDTV's are just a natural progression of flat panel TV's as they have become better and better, my point is... I'm sure they didnt set out to do 3-D with this tech, but hey it's capable and people liked the tech demo's... so why not make a buck?

@Strife Fox †: 4D=X+Y+Z+T(time)

Essentially, if your tv can display the first 3 dimentions, it can also display 4D, since the fourth dimention (time) is all rendered in the console. So, no, Sony isn't taking a "step back."

Here's a great link to an explanation (with HD video).

[www.psu.com]

Ah, Sony. Always moving forward.

@jacksons98: We're not resistant to change, just resistant to wasting money. Buy me a new 3D set to replace my 1080p set, and I'll gladly embrace 3D gaming, tv, movies, pr0n, whatever.

Also, I just wanted to say, there's a reason the Virtual Boy failed. 3D displays are just difficult to watch for extended periods of time. They give you headaches and nausea. Not the feelings most people want when gaming or watching TV.

PissedPS3Fan

No, this needs to stop right now. RIGHT NOW. No new movie formats, no new television types, none of that. Work on it in R&D, wait some time to let the current hardware become more ingrained into society as a whole (what's the % on HD sets nowadays?). Don't keep puking out brand new tech every few years just when the last new tech is gaining ground. Its suicide.

I don't get why some people have to be up in arms about this, reading the comments. The article I read said they have quite a few first party 3D games in dev but they've no plans to release them until the technology becomes accessible which they believe it will in a few years. Right now you're not missing out on anything so don't fret.

It's not like Sony or any company is holding a gun point-blank and saying you're going to have to buy this or you'll miss out. Besides a lot of people do buy new TV systems every 5-7 years and it'll prolly be accessible to the early adopters of the HD first and then the others as prices reach more reasonable rates.

3D is currently trying to have a major revival and for the most part it's mixed results. The reason why 3D came back to the cinemas is to bring more crowds to the cinemas as they were starting to dwindle. Now TV needs more audience (not that they lack or anything) so they'd like to bring cinema-tech to your homes. I don't get the reason for people to complain over this. It's not like everything that's developed ends up in consumer homes right away.

WhatTheFrag

I can't see a peripheral-dependent TV feature catching on. The number of people who can crowd around me and watch a TV show is limited by the size of my room, in this instance it's by the number of goggles I have. Also, while I rarely ever touch my TV screen, these goggles are going to need regular cleaning and maintenance.

Until 3D can be achieved without a peripheral, I can't see it catching on in the mainstream.

PolkOut.com

@Kobun:
Yeah it stinks, I for one love new technology. I hate that people are so resistant to any change.

jacksons98

@insane_cobra: It isn't forcing, they are making it possible.
Had the 3D affected the gameplay I would've agreed with you, but since it doesn't, it renders your complaint moot.

@Paradox me: It's bullshit, they just want us to buy more TV's no matter if the new big thing is any good or not. Widescreen sure, HD, sure, 3D, meh.

RetroBob

@BRMiles: Can Engrish so from a great

@melonpans:
Get over it, the whole world shouldn't stop for you. There are always a group of people that want to hold everyone else back

jacksons98

3D is a two decade ago feature. So everyone's just got, or on the verge of getting flat screen HDTVs, now they want us to buy another one?

RetroBob

@Noodle-Works: Brilliant post, couldn't have put it better myself.

Ridiculous, most people still don't have an HD TV set. I can only see tech junkies falling for it at this point. Hopefully the next batch of consoles doesn't try to force another TV set change on us.

insane_cobra

@jellotek:
It was a fad because it sucked and graphics sucked back then. Times have changed and I think the hardware and technology is ready. I say bring it on!

jacksons98

@deanbmmv: I'm not sure if my eyes could stand the pure sexiness of Wipeout HD in 3D, it's already given me headaches (good ones, mind you) in 2D :/

@Bannana Stand CEO: controller in one hand, sony wand in the other, 3D glasses, a brand new $3500 TV, and a game that encourages wildly waving your arms around. Nope, plan sounds flawless to me.

@Fyro: Any TV company can make 120hz TV's if they want too.
Very few companies are in line to announce that their disc format, TVs, laptops and console will support 3D.
Also there's a slight chance that the PS3 will eb using Nvidia tech, being a Nvidia GPU n all. (and Nividas requires 120hz Monitors, which are just as rare as 120hz TVs, but easier to make as they are smaller panels)

@Showmeyomoves!: If he's so smart, then why is he dead? Amiright?

Oh, wait, it was 4D that killed him....

@jellotek: I don't think it'll be abandoned as soon as you think. Theater owners and Hollywood are desperate to get movie goers back into the seats. With broadband-this, netflix-that and on-demand entertainment so wide-spread and cheap these days, 3D is the next big thing luring us into movies again, and something you can't really experience at home, yet. Its a reason to spend money and go see it for an admission fee.

Many production houses have already stated every major release will be 3D and/or IMAX from now on. That includes Disney, which includes Pixar. So... balls to the idea its dying out soon!

While 3D might not be around FOR EVAR, its ramping back up, big time. so dont expect it to leave as fast as it did before. The technology is great now, and its worth seeing in action.

If not 3D, what else is going to drag you back into a movie house? Smellovision?

You can't say "quality movies" because nowadays the average family has a HUGE HDTV and surround sound... the theater experience needs to provide an EXPERIENCE.

3D it is!

Noodle-Works

@Kobun: if they were to apply those principles they would not get any money you know that right?

kamonX

@Kobun: Yep... At first, this would seem to be directed only to the crazily dedicated. And I'm guessing you can't actually play in 3D for too long without getting a headache... so wait... who is this for, again?

(zombie) buddhathing

@Paradox me: Hey Mr. Old Guy, get out of the way!

@Numanoid: I know that. That is why you would need a new TV. This new TV would be BC with your BD discs, as BD players are with DVD's. But obviously people aren't ready to move up in tech products even if they are BC technologies.

grantanamo

@deanbmmv:

Ah okay thanks.

@quidsquid: 3D used to be a gimmick in the 80s, I don't understand how it has become a trend.

Because now it actually has a z-depth channel, so it's not just red/blue colors mixing together. It was gimmicky because it didn't work. Now it does. I agree it's not for everything though.

@GDW1017: Fuck, not in Tennesee

@Bob-a: 120hz is the minimum. 60hz for each eye.
Though if PAL had it's way ( PAL is 50hz) then yeah 100hz would be okay ;)

Suck on that Nintendo and Megasoft!! ;) Knowing they own the patent on the specific tech that runs on their sets. Wow I guess Nintendo and Megasoft will need to enter the TV making business as well!

j/k!

But seriously I

Murauder

@melonpans: If your TV is 120hz, then you should be fine.

@deanbmmv: 20HZ off can't be bad right, would it work or is 120 the minimum?

GeForce worked perfectly fine in 3D did it not? Without the big expencive Sony TV?

Just saying...

Fyro

@Yossarian: or Nintendo to have tom hanks playing wii sports resort.

What's with the whole 3D thing all of a sudden? Have I been living under my rock for too long? It seems like every movie coming out these days is 3D this, 3D that. Now games?

Why can't they just stick with normal controllers and TVs? What's up with this generation and the frenzy to innovate? D: I don't like change!

3D.... wow.

FuNkYbOsS

PS3DHDTV?

Didn't they already show the PS3 running WipEout and GT running in 3D at CES this year (or last) anyway. So we already know the PS3 is capable. It's just getting the 120hz TV's into homes that's the issue.

@melonpans: B-b-b-butthurt!

So, we will be playing motion control/natal games in 3D? I think this is way too much for anyone to handle.

Bannana Stand CEO

@ShadowOdin isn't american: yea that's the first thing i noticed that it wasn't tom hanks, then the lipgloss.

FINALLY I'LL BE ABLE TO SEE THROUGH TIME!!!!!

3D was a fad years ago, and it'll still be a fad now. It won't be long before it get abandoned again.

jellotek

And the belligerent cheap shots continue. GG, Mike.

That joke is at LEAST 3 years old, man!

@Strife Fox †:

4D is movement as well.

That's some nicely applied lipstick there, Mr.Hanks

@Ehardergardens: Really? Sony laptop as in VAIO? Son, are you high?

@grantanamo: Decent 3D tech requires at least 120hz refresh rate, so most HD TVs wouldn't actually work with it.

Hooray! Headaches for everybody! Seriously though, I have a love/hate relationship with 3D stuff. I've seen the latest and greatest 3D movies and it always seems like I am fighting with myself to actually enjoy it. Its "wow that was cool" every 20 or so minutes and the rest of the time I am adjusting my eyes and looking away trying to not get the mother of all headaches.

Gray665

I've only just gone and got myself a FullHD 1080p TV, so there's zero chance I'm going to go and get a 3-D one.

I'm all for new technology, but Sony should have thought of doing this earlier, when HDTV technology started arriving, and Blu-ray technology started arriving.

This is bullshit.

Current TV's should be able to show 3-D anyway.

Stupidness!

melonpans

@Strife Fox †: Time...

@Kobun: this. exactly this

widowhams

@Strife Fox †: 4D? Well, it's better than 3D and definetly better than 2D and even better than a CD and DVD. But nothing is better than doulbe D's.

If you ask me, there are too many D's. Geez..I rhymed!

TheVegetarianBurgerKing

Sony: leading the race of selling technology you still don't need.

@(Zombie) Neteher: Pfft, Einstein. What does HE know!

Showmeyomoves!

GRRRALDWMNT!!! i just bought a sony tv and a sony laptop... howard, stop stringering me along...

I'm actually not a huge sony fan it just happened that way best on specs and price.

As someone who is driving to Best Buy tonight to finally buy a PS3... this actually means nothing to me. But hey, cool if you have a 3D television. Sony had me at "new game from developers of Indigo Prophecy".

I just entered the whole HDTV game two months ago after getting my first real job. No thank you to a new TV already.

@Michael Dukakis for Senate!:
* ruffle *

* sparkle sparkle *

I was playing Invincible Tiger on XBLA last night and tried its fake 3-D mode, and it was absolutely nauseating. While I'd love to see how its real 3-D mode looks on a 3-D display, I don't believe it'll be enough to push me into getting a set. Too many developers are pushing technology faster than the market is willing to adapt in my opinion. Just as people are adapting to digital HD, TV manufacturers want to throw consumers a curve ball saying that their new $600-1,000 set is already outdated? The incentive just isn't there for consumers, and there's no need to confuse the market at this point.

Kobun

@quidsquid: It's become a trend because the companies are running out of products to sell. Originally, this was supposed to be the trend that saves theaters, since now you can basically get a better quality viewing at home for far cheaper. Seeing this already being pushed for home TVs though doesn't sound like good news for theaters, I wonder how much longer they'll last?

Shinta

Would these tv's require the use of eyewear? As a wearer of glasses I strongly oppose anything like this.

I just hope they don't make the tech mandatory.

That would be an excellent example of "not learning the lessons of the last three years."

jallen

@Numanoid: lol

@Wolf_Dog: Your post has been nominated. :)

Showmeyomoves!

Tussle my hair Mr. Hanks!

@garrettgoodrich: I have not been to any live action 3D movies, but I can say that both Bolt and Up! were great in 3D, and it was fun for the entire film. The latest 3D technology employed in the theaters is far beyond what I had experienced before, and even beyond my expectations going into the movies.

What the Hell is 4D? Also, anyone see that episode of Chuck on 3D? So awesome.

Strife Fox †

Good, cause I need a new TV. Isn't half the problem for Blu Ray adoption the slow uptake of HDTV's? This 3D shit sounds really cool, but they are moving technology too fast right now. Let BD get a foothold, then consider bringing this to market. (And yes I understand that this is BC tv tech, but so are Blu Ray players to DVD's).

grantanamo

@HenryHSH: That boy sure is a runnin' fool!

@HenryHSH: My thought exactly.

'360 Fanboy

@Yossarian: M. Night on bongo drums or bust.

Shinta

@Yossarian: VHS? I'd argue DVD, really. They're the only types of movies that ever used the multi-angle button on those DVD remotes.

Back on topic, I'd be interested on how much this will cost initially. I know it'll be expensive but by how much, I don't know.

dumlaox

@bruceleroy99: eureka!

I don't see 3D picking up, especially not with TVs. The 3D TVs I've seen in person you had to be at a very specific angle to get the 3D effect, so you couldn't be in a room with people watching something because only a small percentage of the people would even see the real 3D effect.

Wearing glasses won't work because the general public will not want to wear glasses just to watch something on their TV. The only way to really do 3D with glasses in the home right now is the traditional 2-color lenses and there's no need for hi-def in this sense because everything looks blurry anyways (Coraline didn't even look like it was Blu-ray and I shut it off 5-10 minutes into and went back to the 2D version).

3D used to be a gimmick in the 80s, I don't understand how it has become a trend. It's fun for certain effects, but not watching everything.

@Yossarian: Or rap...

DukeOfPwn

@G_the_fresh: 4D = time

According to Einstein anyway

There's a key point missing, I think: this is "true" 3D! The steps are as follows:

1. fake 3D
2. fake 4D
3. "true" 3D
4. ...
5. profit!

bruceleroy99

@Wolf_Dog: Porn is one of those things that peaked with DVD.

Next thing you know we'll be smelling Ron Jeremy's ass during a low angle closeup.

[EDIT] dumlaox pointed out the usefulness of DVD over VHS (multi angles, and I'd add scene skipping), and he's absolutely right.

YAY!!! now i can the 7 or so good PS3 games coming right at me!!! YAY!!!

I'm having hard time pondering how the 4D would work.

An extra dimension of awesomeness perhaps?

I would love to bask in the creamy goodness that will be in the form of a 3-D Tom Hanks.

I can see a lot of motion controllers stuck in Bravias in the future.

Microsoft should steal their thunder and hire Tom Hanks to play an electric piano using Natal at next year's E3.

How much do these 3D televisions cost? Knowing Sony, it might be a bit of a wait before they set a price point attractive to a broader consumer base.

Tom hanks?

Oh how the porn industry will completely explode all over your face...

figurativly of course...

NO!

Shadow_Child

The comment at the end is great, I think the should just drop the 3D and start pioneering in 4D technology.

Jason Da Silva

God the PS3 is the new Wii. 3D? That's totally last gen. 4D is all the rage now.

I would personally love to see games move into 3D but given how long it took people just to buy HDTVs and given how slow Blu-ray adoption is I have a hard time believing this is going to be more than a niche for a long time.

The PS3 DOES have an internal clock, it's true!

Sorry Sony, my girlfriend is going to blow her top if I tell her we need a new TV next year.

I was already pushing my luck when we got the 1080p set last year only 2 years after the 720p set.

@nrXic:
No, it was futile.

DragonSix

@DrClawsMackHand: length, width, height, time = 4 dimensions. We've been playing 3D games since Pong, with only depth (or width) missing there.

Tom Hanks is the most trusted celebrity out there. This must be a good and honest thing!

I have an HD TV in the living room and was planning to buy a bigger one to replace it and use the 47 inch in my bedroom. But I just might wait a year and get the 3D one. I was always a sucker for 3D movies. I'll have to see it with my own eyes first though.

i just got the 52" xbr9 last week and still have my 40" xbr3. no 3d for me anytime soon.

Right. I just updated the TVs in my house last year. Good luck getting me and the rest of the recent HDTV buyers to upgrade again anytime soon.

psycoking

I just bought two 32" HD LCDTV's last year on black friday. I got them both at $399 each. Damn it Sony... Wonder how much the 3D TV's will cost...

@mfwahwah: BRAINWASHED!

Felch

@The Cap'n: Dont worry about Blue Ray, this will have a short lifespan due to HD downloads

Felch

@Mike Newlad: BRAINWASHED!

Felch

Cue the next phase of Sony brainwashing of MUST HAVE TECHNOLOGY indoctrination.

Felch

@jimbojonez: still dosn't do you any good- you can't touch the image. Got get some, instead of just watching it. :p

And yes, I still watch it, too, but 3D would just be lame, lol.

guess i should wait on buying a lcd huh?

@ShadowOdin of dubious snowiness: I'd stack it up against any Halo game, any day of the week.

Mind you Killzone 2 outshone them both...

@GoonerVance: Heh, you thought Wipeout HD was giving people seizures before. Wait till you see all that HD goodness spraying into your eyeholes in 3D!

@cippycup: Whoa, back up the acrimony train there Lewis Black. They just said that they were releasing 3D PlayStation 3 games to capitalize on the technology. Nothing about buying "addon's to the console". And could you have said "gimmick" one more time in that comment?

What they're doing here is no different than what Phillips is doing; it's a 3D display that game developers can take advantage of if they find it useful. The only difference is that they're embracing it as a first party developer, making games for their own product.

Where was this ire when Project Natal was announced, a piece of technology that you actually can apply the terms 'add-on", "gimmick" and "wasting gamers time".

...oh, and also "no thanks really".

@Rakkoon: The Pong game was only 3d if you were talking about the console itself.

@Dakiero: They could patch it if a fix was required. I'm not an expert on how stereoscopic games work though.

@waywardchemist: I do believe the motion control was a 15 year old advancement but it didn't stop Nintendo following Sony and infiltrating the masses.

Are you watching movies at home in 3D now? Does your technology allow it? Don't be such an ass. Just how many video games have you played in 3D? Do you honestly think they are going to go into their store room and pull out a piece of hardware from 15 years ago then mass produce it?

Or have they been working on it for years and are now ready to release a product that people will like.

--

Glorious experiences - As someone that has gone from Black and White to Colour, Analog to Digital, SD to HD, from 12" to 24" to 32" to 42" currently at 60" with the next improvement probably going to be an 80" from big clunky to slim line, I can honestly say that with each advancement I have been significantly happier.

I remember the first time I played a 360 game on a HDTV, I couldn't believe the difference. I feel bad for people when I see them playing on a SDTV.

--

Sony didn't force anyone to upgrade their TV's to HD, nobody is going to force you to upgrade to a 3DTV. Hell if you have a PS3, nobody is forcing you to pay out for a new player because your current one is compatible.

Sony are just offering a product that lots of us want including you but your whiny little bitch ass is bitter because you probably can't afford to get a new TV. If you cancel and save your xbox live fee by the time you want to upgrade (in a decade) you will probably be able to buy a good quality one.

Oh, and how retarded do you have to be, to think 3D movies are going to kill of 2D blurays any time in the next decade.

Mike Newlad

hmm.. this reminds me of something

Duke Lombardi

@CtrlZ: I hope so...It's impossible to wear two pairs of glasses...

@Crash__Man: Come on now, Bayonetta in 3d?

DOA: Xtreme Beach Volleyball in 3d?

I'd pay for that.

@LordMaim: Amen.