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	<title>Comments on: A Letter From Michael Atkinson</title>
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		<title>By: Marf</title>
		<link>http://www.kotaku.com.au/2009/11/a-letter-from-michael-atkinson/comment-page-1/#comment-89006</link>
		<dc:creator>Marf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 06:31:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t believe he is a Senator.  Not a bad one, and certainly not a good one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t believe he is a Senator.  Not a bad one, and certainly not a good one.</p>
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		<title>By: RAGEMAN</title>
		<link>http://www.kotaku.com.au/2009/11/a-letter-from-michael-atkinson/comment-page-6/#comment-86713</link>
		<dc:creator>RAGEMAN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 09:12:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RAGE!!!! Adult gamers should be allowed to make their own decisions and if Micheal Atkinson wants to enforce this he should work at a goames shop and say &quot;Hey! This game is 15+! I don&#039;t care that you&#039;re 20, go play Mario.  Look Mario. (happy sound).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RAGE!!!! Adult gamers should be allowed to make their own decisions and if Micheal Atkinson wants to enforce this he should work at a goames shop and say &#8220;Hey! This game is 15+! I don&#8217;t care that you&#8217;re 20, go play Mario.  Look Mario. (happy sound).</p>
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		<title>By: Lindsay Freeman</title>
		<link>http://www.kotaku.com.au/2009/11/a-letter-from-michael-atkinson/comment-page-6/#comment-82577</link>
		<dc:creator>Lindsay Freeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 10:24:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OMG, I emailed him two years ago about R18+ classification, and received the above (7-page, printed) letter in reply last week.

That&#039;s pretty bad, Mr. Atkinson.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OMG, I emailed him two years ago about R18+ classification, and received the above (7-page, printed) letter in reply last week.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s pretty bad, Mr. Atkinson.</p>
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		<title>By: nohopenomore</title>
		<link>http://www.kotaku.com.au/2009/11/a-letter-from-michael-atkinson/comment-page-6/#comment-81315</link>
		<dc:creator>nohopenomore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 16:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think we should just face the sad fact that a R rating won&#039;t be happening in this country in this lifetime. The powers that be seem content to just throw our own arguments back at us(eg parental responsibility) just slightly re-skinned, then they sit back confident that they&#039;ve got the power anyway. And it&#039;s getting worse by the year we let little rich boy&#039;s into gonvernment straight out of uni, without the skill to organize a piss-up in a brewery, that don&#039;t care what the majority of australians want. As long as their shareholders,church buddies and jesus are on side the people of this country don&#039;t seem to matter much (except for taxes)P.S. apart from the japanese market when have games had cruel sex anyway? no one is asking for tentacle games michael</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think we should just face the sad fact that a R rating won&#8217;t be happening in this country in this lifetime. The powers that be seem content to just throw our own arguments back at us(eg parental responsibility) just slightly re-skinned, then they sit back confident that they&#8217;ve got the power anyway. And it&#8217;s getting worse by the year we let little rich boy&#8217;s into gonvernment straight out of uni, without the skill to organize a piss-up in a brewery, that don&#8217;t care what the majority of australians want. As long as their shareholders,church buddies and jesus are on side the people of this country don&#8217;t seem to matter much (except for taxes)P.S. apart from the japanese market when have games had cruel sex anyway? no one is asking for tentacle games michael</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
		<link>http://www.kotaku.com.au/2009/11/a-letter-from-michael-atkinson/comment-page-6/#comment-71315</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 18:19:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was about 10 or 11 years old when I first saw porn(not saying my parents let me).

I was around the same age that I first saw and R18+ film.

I wasn&#039;t aloud MA15+ games until I was 13 though and compared to the films which depict realistic gore and depraved sexual acts I have always wondered why I was refused MA15+ games by my parents until the age of 13.

Most people I know saw R18 films before playing MA15+ video games.  I&#039;ve got scared shitless over some horror films but video games have never frightened me.

F—k you Atkinson.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was about 10 or 11 years old when I first saw porn(not saying my parents let me).</p>
<p>I was around the same age that I first saw and R18+ film.</p>
<p>I wasn&#8217;t aloud MA15+ games until I was 13 though and compared to the films which depict realistic gore and depraved sexual acts I have always wondered why I was refused MA15+ games by my parents until the age of 13.</p>
<p>Most people I know saw R18 films before playing MA15+ video games.  I&#8217;ve got scared shitless over some horror films but video games have never frightened me.</p>
<p>F—k you Atkinson.</p>
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		<title>By: Calvin</title>
		<link>http://www.kotaku.com.au/2009/11/a-letter-from-michael-atkinson/comment-page-6/#comment-70107</link>
		<dc:creator>Calvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 00:31:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I find strange is that there is a double standard on censorship here and from that double standard comes an attitude that undermines current age prohibition laws. Basically what our Genera Attorney is saying is that age restriction all across the board doesn&#039;t work, and that Australians should not put their faith in classification and therefore one category of media should be exempt from getting the rights that other media already have. 

And while his arguments on face value seem promising and wise, he is basically discriminating people on their interest.
Say if I was a fan of horror/gore my interest is supported in Australia, but my interest in playing games with a fan base such as aliens vs predator is not. Why? Both are equally valid interests.

Michael Atkinson has an extremely poor understanding of why supporters of a R18+ classification is angry and as a General Attorney he is imposing his will instead of finding a solution that keeps everyone happy, and hence game players feel their freedom of rights are being infringed by one man. (Yes he states that other GAs support his stance, yet they have not voiced their support of him. That speaks more about their support than anything else)

What he fails to understand is that gamers are not just disgruntle about games getting banned or edited because of violence or inappropriate to minors content, but by the obvious lack of a standard across the censorship board. How one game can get through unscathed and another must be edited on arbitrary grounds. 

Gamers feel that their interests are not being represented by people who know anything about their interests. No one likes the things that they enjoy governed by people who know nothing about it. 

Anyway, my last point is this video games are a valid past time and an increasingly valid market in Australia. They should get the same respect as movies, books and other forms of entertainment, Sure it has its cons but please tell me what doesn&#039;t. Michael Atkinson is a poor official for not understanding this fact, and his handling of the censorship issue demonstrates his poor leadership. He argues that parents are not influenced by classification then fails the point out the reasons and never even mentions the lack of education on the subject. 

He should realise that banning never works but just pushes content underground, but that proper education on these topics are far more effective in addressing the issues that he brings up. That way families are better educated and are in a better position to make choices that effect their families and protect their children. This allows the R18+ rating to be effective, young children to be protected by their parents and not infringe on Australian&#039;s liberty to enjoy content as it was originally intended to be.

As for his vulnerable adults argument, it is a piss poor attempt to add validity in an area of liberty. No politician would ever use an argument like that and expect to stay in office, it just highlights Michael Atkinson&#039;s gross misuse of his powers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I find strange is that there is a double standard on censorship here and from that double standard comes an attitude that undermines current age prohibition laws. Basically what our Genera Attorney is saying is that age restriction all across the board doesn&#8217;t work, and that Australians should not put their faith in classification and therefore one category of media should be exempt from getting the rights that other media already have. </p>
<p>And while his arguments on face value seem promising and wise, he is basically discriminating people on their interest.<br />
Say if I was a fan of horror/gore my interest is supported in Australia, but my interest in playing games with a fan base such as aliens vs predator is not. Why? Both are equally valid interests.</p>
<p>Michael Atkinson has an extremely poor understanding of why supporters of a R18+ classification is angry and as a General Attorney he is imposing his will instead of finding a solution that keeps everyone happy, and hence game players feel their freedom of rights are being infringed by one man. (Yes he states that other GAs support his stance, yet they have not voiced their support of him. That speaks more about their support than anything else)</p>
<p>What he fails to understand is that gamers are not just disgruntle about games getting banned or edited because of violence or inappropriate to minors content, but by the obvious lack of a standard across the censorship board. How one game can get through unscathed and another must be edited on arbitrary grounds. </p>
<p>Gamers feel that their interests are not being represented by people who know anything about their interests. No one likes the things that they enjoy governed by people who know nothing about it. </p>
<p>Anyway, my last point is this video games are a valid past time and an increasingly valid market in Australia. They should get the same respect as movies, books and other forms of entertainment, Sure it has its cons but please tell me what doesn&#8217;t. Michael Atkinson is a poor official for not understanding this fact, and his handling of the censorship issue demonstrates his poor leadership. He argues that parents are not influenced by classification then fails the point out the reasons and never even mentions the lack of education on the subject. </p>
<p>He should realise that banning never works but just pushes content underground, but that proper education on these topics are far more effective in addressing the issues that he brings up. That way families are better educated and are in a better position to make choices that effect their families and protect their children. This allows the R18+ rating to be effective, young children to be protected by their parents and not infringe on Australian&#8217;s liberty to enjoy content as it was originally intended to be.</p>
<p>As for his vulnerable adults argument, it is a piss poor attempt to add validity in an area of liberty. No politician would ever use an argument like that and expect to stay in office, it just highlights Michael Atkinson&#8217;s gross misuse of his powers.</p>
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		<title>By: Bryce McNiff</title>
		<link>http://www.kotaku.com.au/2009/11/a-letter-from-michael-atkinson/comment-page-5/#comment-68863</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryce McNiff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 17:26:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it funny that Mr Michael Atkinson states that it is almost impossible for a parent/adult to keep these games away from childen, really Mr Atkinson is that what you thing? because i know for one the XBOX 360 has a ratings lock, which if say if it was set to PG, no game or movie over that rating can be played unless a pass code is entered. Now i dont know if the new PS3(Play Station 3) has this setting but i would beleave it would and as for the Nintendo Wii, well again i know it has parent control, i know all this as when my sister and brother inlaw came to stay with me along with my nephew and neice i locked my XBOX 360 and Nintendo Wii to a rating that my sister and brother inlaw was happy with, so the kid&#039;s COULDN&#039;T play any of my games or watch any movie that were not rated lower than that was set on the consoles without entering a pass code.

Also i remember when i was 16 and when i went to buy games rated MA15+, being i didn&#039;t have any ID i could not buy the game unless i had my PARENTS buy it for me, even though i was over 15 years old because i didn&#039;t have ID they wouldn&#039;t sell it to me and same thing happened when going to rent games and movies when i was that age, so there is no real way you can say &quot;there is no way from stopping children or young adults from playing these games if they are in the house hold&quot; which means there is no real reason you cant inforce/allow a R18+ rating for video games.

And banning a game from Australia these day is useless with such easy access to the internet, banning a game really is just going to take sales and profits from retail stores and gaming company and give them to people who will download, burn and sell it on the streets (piracy), so really you are just aiding piracy and turning fun-loving gamers children/young adults and adults into criminals and thiefs.......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it funny that Mr Michael Atkinson states that it is almost impossible for a parent/adult to keep these games away from childen, really Mr Atkinson is that what you thing? because i know for one the XBOX 360 has a ratings lock, which if say if it was set to PG, no game or movie over that rating can be played unless a pass code is entered. Now i dont know if the new PS3(Play Station 3) has this setting but i would beleave it would and as for the Nintendo Wii, well again i know it has parent control, i know all this as when my sister and brother inlaw came to stay with me along with my nephew and neice i locked my XBOX 360 and Nintendo Wii to a rating that my sister and brother inlaw was happy with, so the kid&#8217;s COULDN&#8217;T play any of my games or watch any movie that were not rated lower than that was set on the consoles without entering a pass code.</p>
<p>Also i remember when i was 16 and when i went to buy games rated MA15+, being i didn&#8217;t have any ID i could not buy the game unless i had my PARENTS buy it for me, even though i was over 15 years old because i didn&#8217;t have ID they wouldn&#8217;t sell it to me and same thing happened when going to rent games and movies when i was that age, so there is no real way you can say &#8220;there is no way from stopping children or young adults from playing these games if they are in the house hold&#8221; which means there is no real reason you cant inforce/allow a R18+ rating for video games.</p>
<p>And banning a game from Australia these day is useless with such easy access to the internet, banning a game really is just going to take sales and profits from retail stores and gaming company and give them to people who will download, burn and sell it on the streets (piracy), so really you are just aiding piracy and turning fun-loving gamers children/young adults and adults into criminals and thiefs&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: MattOd</title>
		<link>http://www.kotaku.com.au/2009/11/a-letter-from-michael-atkinson/comment-page-5/#comment-68172</link>
		<dc:creator>MattOd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 15:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I believe the repeated act of killing a computer-generated person or creature desensitises them to violence. To my mind, a child being able to watch depraved sex and extreme violence in a movie is damaging to the child, but the child’s participating (sic) in depraved sex and extreme violence in a computer game is worse.&quot;

Okay, that, I thought was a legitimate point. The rest was logicless and contradictory and made me want to hit things</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I believe the repeated act of killing a computer-generated person or creature desensitises them to violence. To my mind, a child being able to watch depraved sex and extreme violence in a movie is damaging to the child, but the child’s participating (sic) in depraved sex and extreme violence in a computer game is worse.&#8221;</p>
<p>Okay, that, I thought was a legitimate point. The rest was logicless and contradictory and made me want to hit things</p>
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		<title>By: Sabine</title>
		<link>http://www.kotaku.com.au/2009/11/a-letter-from-michael-atkinson/comment-page-5/#comment-67403</link>
		<dc:creator>Sabine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 08:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t agree that R18+ rating will be damaging to kids, quite the opposite: quite a few very violent currently available under MA15+ would be categorised as R18+ and only available with photo id to make sure the buyer is over 18.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t agree that R18+ rating will be damaging to kids, quite the opposite: quite a few very violent currently available under MA15+ would be categorised as R18+ and only available with photo id to make sure the buyer is over 18.</p>
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		<title>By: brock</title>
		<link>http://www.kotaku.com.au/2009/11/a-letter-from-michael-atkinson/comment-page-5/#comment-67172</link>
		<dc:creator>brock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:53:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve just turned 18+ and really wanted to get LFD2 
but id heard it&#039;d been edited down to fit ratings which annoyed me 

firstly ruining the game makers work because games are an artist medium they shouldn&#039;t have to be changed

secondly they have done multiple tests proving violent video games don&#039;t lead to violent behavior in real life as i say jack the ripper was around long before video games 

thirdly i can go buy alcohol or cigarettes which
could someday kill me but i can&#039;t buy a video game that hasn&#039;t been heavy edited down  

fourthly  who said these R18+ games would be pornographic if that&#039;s the major issue just don&#039;t let games with pornographic content in  even under an R18+</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve just turned 18+ and really wanted to get LFD2<br />
but id heard it&#8217;d been edited down to fit ratings which annoyed me </p>
<p>firstly ruining the game makers work because games are an artist medium they shouldn&#8217;t have to be changed</p>
<p>secondly they have done multiple tests proving violent video games don&#8217;t lead to violent behavior in real life as i say jack the ripper was around long before video games </p>
<p>thirdly i can go buy alcohol or cigarettes which<br />
could someday kill me but i can&#8217;t buy a video game that hasn&#8217;t been heavy edited down  </p>
<p>fourthly  who said these R18+ games would be pornographic if that&#8217;s the major issue just don&#8217;t let games with pornographic content in  even under an R18+</p>
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