Fake Families Put Kinect Through Its Paces

@data_enabler: which is funny, because what that post showed was that they liked the tech demo more than the games because really, all Sony has really shown is just the usual Wii type stuff, but when they showed those demos of what you could do with the interface, people loved it. i have no idea if you could do that with the Kinect, but i dont see why not for the most part. and if they did, people would love it just as much if not more so because you wouldnt need to use 2 oddly shaped controllers to move stuff, just your hands, but the fact would remain, so far the games are still just Wii type stuff for both the Move and the Kinect, outside of the occasional support for games like Socom like with the Move.

GGear0323

Just give me Time Crisis, with duck and cover and some awesome type of weapon and this will be on my list of 'more useless crap' to clog up my house.

*But I would buy it just for TC.

dcornwell

So the motion control business model works like this, You get cute avatar sports games, dance and rhythm games, exercise fitness and yoga games and you're all set to make millions.

Aww, what a beautifully perfect American family in a beautifully perfect family living room. What a wonderful time that we live in.

Anyone else notices that rather long delay between the movement and the actual on screen occurrence?

So... With the fast forward... The "Dad" can't do ANYTHING with his hands while the video is playing ?

Also I don't know any family that shouts encouragement like that about video games.

TheNick316

@shibbybypass: but i thought Natal/Kinect was able to discern individual body parts so it would know if you were using your hand instead of say your head, feet, whatever. i dont know about individual fingers, but still.

GGear0323

@Koda89: I didn't think it would be able to do any of those things... We did see that Burnout demo which was pretty cool but still very limited.

ColinStein

@blehbleh13: Call me a fanboy, I don't really care, but to me, the Move looks like there is alot more you can do with it. It already has two real games it supports, Socom and RE5. I just can't think about how you're going to get any actual gamers to want to buy the Kinect. Then again, Tony Hawk thinks Ride is for real gamers...

In the end, the Move makes so much more sense to me. I really can't see the Kinect working. Maybe it can work like that Burnout demo but that still wasn't something I would want to play. Would Kinect really pick up your motions fast enough to do some barrel rolls? Drift? How would you even boost?

ColinStein

@data_enabler: Always love to see this video, let's me laugh out loud on the work, which is a bad thing! But totally worth it.

Thanks ^^

berserk_ftw

Fantastic *rolleyes*

@Not_Nyx: I've tried to never look at The Guild at all.

From what I have seen, including that abysmal attempt at humor in the clip above, I have made the right choice.

Silveth

I....kinda don't like what I'm seeing. What I'm seeing are a bunch of games that have a limited amount of playing chances in a real family. Most people who work are too tired or sore when they get home to jump around like that. It's more or less the main reason I don't often play my Wii on the days I work, or if I do, it is a game that doesn't have motion control.

Now, I wouldn't MIND playing some of those games, but I just wouldn't play them often....

Koda89

@Alex Zweers: Triple exclamation points?! It must be a GREAT site!

Ethereus

@Xyless: Well look at everything Apple TV copied too.

zachattackary

Natal is now called "Kinect"? To me the name really sounds too much like SONY's Kinetic. I guess SONY can sue Microsoft for this. And also the Kinect camera and its funtionalities look so much like the PS2's Eyetoy ones, well, you may even call the Kinect camera just an enhanced/upgraded Eyetoy.

TC-man

This looks like more of the vapid shovelware that's been done for the wii for the last few years. I think it's time we accepted that motion controls were fun and all, but they're pretty much done. As innovative as they were, they have obvious limitations and there's only so much you can do with the human body on a medium that's well known for doing things no human body can do.

Motion gaming is dead.

Well, apart from the whole "it makes buckets of cash" thing.

Ethereus

@ColinStein: Well MS strategically said last year that that video package was their "vision" of the device, IE, it was almost never gonna be able to do any of those things.

Koda89

I remember when the Wiimote was announced we were all so psyched of the innovations it would mean for ALL video games.

But Natal proves once more, this is just casual crap, it's fun while it lasts, but for me as a gamer? No thank you.

Grannd

@Nunchuckles: Well whenever i put down my controller during a movie the right or left trigger gets pressed and it messes up anyway... so no change here :P

Aquilix

Laugh, the X360 is just the guinea pig here for their new technology.

If I was you, I'd never buy this to play games on X360 and I'd wait for applications outside the gaming market.

Sébastien Noll

@Fluorine:

Not really up to No Doubt, more like up to the record company that owns them and all their distribution and sales.

yah5

@Timstuff: That was great! "YOU ARE THE TOOL".

vid3oman64

@Nunchuckles: I agree, someone has to be the remote.

Blonde mom has got a rockin' booty! More Natal... uh... I mean KINECT videos with her plz.

yah5

@ColinStein: My thoughts exactly. I don't even need a Kinect if I want to run in place or dance. I'll wait and see what 3rd party developers have in mind.

blehbleh13

So when do we get to see the things they promised that we know won't happen? My friend at work keeps saying that it'll recognize him when he walks in the room. That's really his only argument... And what about that car racing thing where they use a fake air wheel to drive and switch out the tires and what not? And the kung fu fighting game? And the game where it scans in your skateboard and fills in the art where your fingers and trucks were covering it? What happened to all these ideas? Why is "kinect" falling short of what they said it would be?

ColinStein

@ValiX: Pretty sure it isn't Apple that's putting this out. Let me check.

...nope.

Xyless

I think they went a little too realistic... Everybody looks bored with their family and their lives.

bloog

@Keyelite: I know its fake but its so funny. And given Microsofts current actions I woudnt be surprised if they put out an ad like that.

RenegadeWolf

Looking impressive but it is more for the casual gamer. I most likely will not buy any of these games but the menu board interface is looking good.

I have nothing against 'casual gamers' ('casual' being a branding that I have come to hate). I am actually playing fewer games myself, mostly due to lack of funds, which is a totally different subject, but I'm just getting older. I have a job, personal projects, and something of a social life, things that take time away from playing games, especially ones as long and difficult as most that are made today (yet another subject). I understand not being able to play games frequently. The reason I continue to play games, even if only occasionally, is that I have had great experiences through them. Maybe the story of a game made me think or surprised me, maybe my friends and I teamed up to achieve a great accomplishment, maybe I was sucked into a foriegn, alien, nigh inexplicable world and explored. These are experiences I want other people, including and especially those that have been branded 'casual gamers', to have.

When I see a commercial like this for products like these, I see hollow, soulless, pointless experiences. These are tech demos first and game farts second -- they happen, it's uncomfortable, then it goes away and everyone forgets about it. I feel that these products are unfortunately inadequate for introducing people that are bright eyed and curious about a strange new medium of expression and capability. These are some of the most important games for those who do not frequently play games, and instead of having simple to play games with plots that give backbone and meaning with a clear, achieveable goal and a sense of growth, learning, and accomplishment, the games just have you flail around to Gwen God-Damn Stefani.

Even from a marketing standpoint, wouldn't the entire role of these games be to make these one-time or infrequent customers into repetitive customers? We all know the Wii sold five hundred tafillion units -- the great majority of which were thrown in the old broom closet after three months. Wouldn't it actually be more profitable to make these games of just the slightest higher quality in order to try to get these people to say, "Ya know, we should try another game, cause this one was so much fun!"?

That's what's missing in these games. The fun. Fun is so down on the list of priorities for these games that 'possible percentage increase of Foxconn suicides' and 'possible increase in popularity of Gwen Sta-fuckin-fani' are measured, analyzed, and profitized twenty spots before the most important question: "Is this game fun?" These are games aren't fun, they're notable. 'Look at this, I'm not actually touching anything but my character is jumping when I jump! Now it's jumping again! And again! And again! Okay, this is boring now!" These are games intended for profit before anything else, and they do a disservice to those that play them.

vid3oman64

@Firemane: That's enough for a prime stake in government for some countries... :p

MyPonyRocks

@blehbleh13: I'm not saying the Move isn't going to have stupid mini games but I am saying I think the Kinect will be nothing but stupid mini games.

ColinStein

God, I hate "The Guild" so bad.

And meh, looks alright, so far it's not much more then Wii 2.0 :/

Talicia Dragonsong

@Ebichuman:

Well with Milo I'd say they came very close to that message, but I think it does sound like a dating website name indeed.

Sorry that I edited that part out of my initial post because I thought it seemed a tad trolly and I didn't want to get a flame war going.

I think you are on to the very reason they are naming it kinect though, because it is seeking to bridge the gap between the parents and their kin as one way that they both choose to operate all their media.

fanboyps3

@rayjt9: And Move is a Wii motion plus. Yay for innovation!

Arikardo

@Nunchuckles: It would be way cooler and less confusing if all you had to do was throw up gang signs at the camera.

Jimmy_Jazz

I love how in these videos the actors are always smiling manically.

And I'd much rather use the accuracy of a remote than trying to fast forward with my whole hand.

AMonkey

Still looks real laggy, or is it just me?

I feel like whenever you would put your hand up for anything, the fast forward feature would go off, and you would be like, oh crap... stop stop stop/

Nunchuckles

Kinect it's cool!!!! :D i have see it on Gameliner.nl earlier!

Alex Zweers

@blehbleh13: which one? The one where the guy cuts fake hair or jiggles a fake rubber sword?

Jimmy_Jazz

@justhesh: she did pretty good, she came in 3rd out of 2 players.

Firemane

@Jimmy_Jazz: Umm did you watch the Move demos? It's far from garbage. The software behind Kinect is pretty cool too, but not for gaming.

blehbleh13

"i want to see a video where people have guns and yell fuck a lot because i only play mature rated games, and those are the two things that define mature to me."

@Xstrikr: I dunno, did you see that promo video of the guy using move with socom?

Jimmy_Jazz

Gameliner.nl!!!

Alex Zweers

@dowingba: Essentially by promoting his comment, seeing as his comment is doing nothing more than praising your comment, so doesn't that in turn mean you are actually promoting your own comment?

Mad Mulatto I mean.

fanboyps3

@Jimmy_Jazz: to be fair, he's going for the one that doesn't make him look like a COMPLETE idiot while playing it.

Xstrikr

@HitBit: That we will. It certainly strikes me that this set up is going to make people do stuff.

Not just move around as they play. That, obviously, it will do, but it may also force you to move the coffee table out of the way or clear the floor. Maybe you can't wear a long coat or long skirt.

Turning on a light might just be among those things.

That demo you saw wasn't exactly ideal. It's on a stage. There are theater type lights. There's an audience. It seemed to able to cancel out all the background noise. In fact, when a person backed up out of its range, they disappeared completely.

Brodka: regrettably

@Brandon Strader: So did I! And I was like 7!

Wait... delete that part.

dowingba

@Orionsaint: They could be used for Nintendo ads, sure. But no one would hold a controller. That may not be a big deal for people like us, but it may open up an even bigger market of 'simpletons' who just don't want to learn buttons (no matter how easy they've become). I'm not trying to argue, I'm just saying that people should at least TRY to stop comparing it to a product that requires you hold a controller. I could care less about the games, I'm more interested in the menu navigation features. Those use a hand, not a controller. The Wii does not have that. These 'simpletons' in the ad did not have to lift a single controller during use of the system. That is a step forward, not a sidestep like a copycat device.

HobbitGamer

@Asbestos_Underwear: I think you might be right; someone in marketing was having fun with that last clip.

Kolian

@AFXisgreat: The Nintendo Wii.

vid3oman64

@Jimmy_Jazz: It's cool! It fits here perfectly mate!

Asimoved

uhhhh....i have no words to describe what i just saw.

Xstrikr

@ValiX: they both look like garbage.

Jimmy_Jazz

@Chowderholic: There ya go, just picture there's a 360 and Kinect nearby.

@Asimoved: I didn't mean to double post. I had it up in two windows and for some reason when I closed one it posted it.

Jimmy_Jazz

I'm so glad my family is cool unlike the family in that video. Kinect looks like it's going to be a massive bomb and rightfully so.

AFXisgreat

sorry double post

fanboyps3

I wonder if No Doubt will sue for being used in this without specific legal permissions too.

Hell, I'd sue for defamation by association, and irreparable brand damage.

Fluorine

@reginald: Why would your butler, who can apparently create great works of art (oeuvres), be working for you in the first place.

Oh you meant Hors d'oeuvres!

@dowingba: 20 years ago, I pooped whenever I felt like it, regardless of location. Those were better times.

Brandon Strader

@Fusbun: Yeah, they see the market. As the other two competitors, they would be idiots not to try and make a similar version. But they aren't the same, the comparison isn't justified in that sense. The guy down the street just started selling horse-less carriages, maybe I should look into that. You're justifying the idea that Microsoft and Sony are doing a disservice by making their own versions of this new control method. Unless I mistook what you're saying, neither one should ever try to venture into Nintendo's new market. And if they did, it would not be a new innovation at all, they would just be copycats that no one should adopt.

HobbitGamer

@Jimmy_Jazz: I think I have seen this somewhere:)

Asimoved

0:57

And this is why I will be buying the PS Move over Microsoft's "Kinect"

ValiX

@Sam fisher's a aimbot: Don't give Worf a headache with all the face palms

fanboyps3

I don't think that woman knows how legs work

justhesh

@HobbitGamer: Are you serious? Look at these ads. They're interchangeable with the Wii family ads. Nintendo is making a buttload of money off these people, who recently discovered video games. MS wants to take advantage of these simpletons and make buttloads of money as well.

@Jimmy_Jazz: Finally! I've always wondered if they were wearing non-slip shoes or not. Now I'll know!

dowingba

@rayjt9: Yep essentially thats all it is. And yet you'll get the constant swarms of fanboy's claim otherwise that this is someting innovative and never before seen...

ValiX

The Games are as bad as the name. Kinect = Horribly

@pretty favorable. Chances are it'll stay that way unless Sony makes a lame ad like this, which I doubt will happen. Sony commercials are often weird, but never boring.

@dowingba: Yeah but now we can actually see the bottom of an avatar's shoe!

Jimmy_Jazz

I can't wait for the inevitable Kinect rebranding when Microsoft figures out that the casual market topped out.

Did they sneak in the mother of all sarcastic comments themselves?

The very last statement of the video probably reflects the opinion of 99% of all Kotaku users.

Yikes!

queen_valentine

20 years ago, we pressed A to jump. Now look how far we've come. Now we flail around wildly!

dowingba

@dowingba:

@HitBit: Wouldn't the correct writing be casual gay-mer?

xair

@PreachingLlama: Even the original Wii promo video had the sense to mix casual and hardcore games (Zelda, Metroid) to show gamers they would be catered for too.

KingHippo

@fanboyps3: Sounds like an incest-themed dating website, to be precise.

"Kinect, connect with your kin !"

...

Yeah, I know, so immature.

Ebichuman

@blehbleh13: Let's teabag as a family!

Chowderholic

Jimmy_Jazz

Look I'm doing a simple move and making simple things happen on my TV screen. I'm a casual gamer. Weeee! Jump! Jump! Jump!

@rayjt9: Don't be ridiculous. It's not improved!

dowingba

@Limality: I've seen the games, too. I'm not making an excuse for them, I'm just pointing out that this is different tech. You aren't using a controller for these activities. Don't get me wrong, I don't want the feature in all my games (nor will it be for quite some time), but we shouldn't just shrug it off as a copy-cat. Since new tech reaches the public sector last usually, why should this be forsaken and overlooked as an item that already had a similar style? I posted an earlier comment suggesting the usefulness in my household for it, and I'm sure not the only one with same reasonings.

HobbitGamer

@Southpaws_ITF: Yeah saw that, but that is the theory, a demo where everything is set up optimally so that the tech behaves as it should. Now we have to see it in action, on someone's real living room where conditions will most probably won't be the best.

HitBit

Don't wanna be a naysayer, but isn't that just a slightly improved eyetoy?

rayjt9

The more pictures and random videos of people using Natal make me believe the only game that would make a person look cool while playing is Phoenix Wright.

@shibbybypass: It is random seeing the same imagine twice in 12 hours for different reasons.

Jimmy_Jazz

You know I love The Guild but I don't know if it's exactly a hey kids let's sit around the campfire show. And where's the dad?

KIAFP

Fake family's were also having fun with the Power Glove and we've all seen how that worked out....

The plants are now dead

@Scarecrow_Jack: In my band, I never watch the drummer, and I'm a bassist. I usually just feel the drum beat and make eye contact with the guitarist to make sure we're synced up.

Ratfuzz

@HobbitGamer: Microsoft and Sony see Nintendo getting easy money from the casual market with motion technology and say "oh woah, lets cash in on that!"

the comparisons are justified, it's all the same shit.

Fusbun

@Jimmy_Jazz: haha I love Google too. I didn't even read the 3ds photo contest but, that is a good shop none the less.

shibbybypass

@DerBonk: Well that's cool, they just don't seem like the kind of family that would be lol. That part of the clip didn't feel weir to ya?

Kakkoii

@reginald: Be sure to dispose of the nuclear family in a humane way.

@scotty: agreed

Dolgo

I'll post this in every Natal related thread now!! Because it says it all.

Sam fisher's a aimbot

@Rusty Seraj: you are sadly correct.

Dolgo

@Altima NEO: So that's the real story of how Timmy ended down the well?

xair

@gessyca: Alright cool. Thanks for the update.

eyeshield

Man, I can't wait to play this in my Mansion Estate. I can get my butler to light the fireplace in my Entertainment Villa, and he can make oeuvres for when my nuclear family arrives to play games with me. I'll have to move my various coffee tables and lounge chairs to make space I guess... maybe my butler can do that too, actually.

reginald

looks a little laggy, and when you're trying to sell a product like that, a little lagy means big problems.

I don't want to get winded from gaming, unless I want to.

Slinkytech

@Nexus6: I understand what you are saying but I bet MS is saying "we don't need to do hardcore games, everyone knows we have games like that". They are trying to get the money from people that have been pouring revenue into Nintendo Wii, and that is the "casual" gamer/family.

Dolgo

@PreachingLlama: I totally am. Unless this goes hand in hand with future mature rated games I'll be wasting my money.

Nexus6

@shibbybypass: I totally just used this for the 3ds photo contest today.

Jimmy_Jazz

It's like playing Para Para Paradise! Hey, if PPP makes it to this device, I want it. =P

Guh, I can't stand such ultra "ideal fake" comemrcials. It's sickening.

SandWitch

@Vonhert: Yeah, I know about the Wii junk. (people, not systems. don't try to kill me, supporters) Now we can blame people on drugs, or the gamers that normally throw controllers.

HobbitGamer

@PCRenegade: Something tells me you'll still be able to do that.

Brodka: regrettably

@Nexus6: I believe you are missing the entire point of this product.

PreachingLlama

@punk1n13:

Yep. Let's hope it works well in dark, movie-watching conditions.

Blah8

It would be more realistic if the little girl was throwing a tantrum about not watchin Hannah montanna reruns while everyone else is playing xbox. Why must the never go for realism?

Jimmy_Jazz

The mom's avatar is a black guy when she's racing. She must be using her "friend's" avatar, you know, the one who comes over when dad's not home.

blehbleh13

This demonstration is the definition of lame. Show gamers chopping ninjas heads off or leaning from cover in an FPS. Not some generic crap that everyone knows Microsoft will try and sell as the Wii sport's better counterpart but in reality won't go anywhere. Microsoft does best selling to hardcore gamers.

Nexus6

You guys are a bit too anti Natal-ish didn't they demo last year that you have to have a profile to control Natal so if only one person is signed in at a time it is unlikely somebody passing by would distract the camera's ability to read your movement. Then again will all get the confirmation we need in a few hours.

Jet Felipe

Minority Report style stuff is cool. Everything else...oh man fail on so many levels.

AwShucks

Interesting ... I never really looked at 'The Guild' as a family show.

@HobbitGamer: Something like that *rolls eyes*

Back when the Wii was first released, a family tried to sue Nintendo for supposedly "forcing" their son to hit his little sister with a Wii remote. Of course we both know its bull shit because the kid was probably swinging it around everywhere.

And here I'm just saying since no object is being physically involved, parents cannot bring up these ridiculous lawsuits. Natal or whatever it's called is involved with the motion on screen, but not physically involved with the user. In other words you can't blame your shit on the controller when you "accidently" break the t.v. screen.

@Ratfuzz: I actually got to thinking about that too. I used to say "now" to sync up star power in Guitar Hero. My music "career" has gone mostly digital, so I never really had to say anything like that, I always assumed that everyone mainly watched the drummer.

Scarecrow_Jack

The trailer left out about three hours of frantic GMod-style flailing of every limb to figure out how to work it.

Comrade Iota

Mother, father, 2.5 kids.

It's the American dream folks!

Robert Lew

@HobbitGamer: I just saw a list of games for Kinect...sounds like Wii Sports / Resort all over, it doesn't matter if it doesn't use a waggle-stick like Wii or Move.

Limality

@eyeshield: yeah you missed the update, Natal was renamed, kotaku posted about it just tonight so dont feel silly

What...? Are you kidding me ? That's the cheesiest shit I've seen in a while.

Deftone

@B45: I love how Kinect's software can detect bouncing boobies through sweaters.

blehbleh13

@RenegadeWolf: It's a fake.

That's actually a commercial for "Embrace Life" [www.youtube.com]

Keyelite

Kids: Jump Mom, jump!

Mom: Shut up! You try jumping when your pants are riding up your ass! I swear I haven't felt this uncomfortable since I gave birth to all two of you.

Kid: Wait, but there's three of us Mom...

Mom: Fine, you're adopted. Happy now?

Atomsk88

Wow, theres an awful lot of hate for this. I can only imagine what hell Sony is going to go through for the move.

X-07

@Kakkoii: Actually, we did that last Christmas :D Watched season one in its entirety.

@EyeR8: That and it's not the most appropriate family show, either...

Ratfuzz

@RyuuzakiBjorn: Yeah, I noticed that too! What's it supposed to mean?! Secret message that they know how disappointing and boring this is?

@Sontrowa: Maybe there's a lock gesture that makes it so you can't do anything. Then an elaborate UNlock gesture that makes you pretend you're hula hooping on one foot while washing a car window with a sad look on your face. If I remember correctly, it does have face recognition..right?

punk1n13

@fozfan33: It's clearly not meant to be seen like this. This is production material to be used in marketing sectors.

In other words, it's raw footage that hasnt been edited with background music, a voice-over actor and on-screen information.

neil008

Oh dear.

@Jet Felipe: Or taking out the "in" and making it "jump". Or like the video "...and.....jump...and...jump"

blehbleh13

Wait are we talking about the same Minority Report? Hell he still had gloves on so the system could track it properly. I guess we all catch things in movies a little differently.

shibbybypass

Did I miss something? Is the Kinect a new product or is this just Natal renamed?

I must have missed the update.

eyeshield

I responded to another comment with this, but felt that it needs its own thread.

I dunno. If I'm doing a timing-based thing with a friend or my brother or someone, I'll say stuff to keep us in time. Comes from being a musician, I guess.

Hell, my parents, brother, and I were playing the canoeing game for the Wii. We actually started chanting, "One, two, one, two," to keep ourselves in time, and ended up laughing just like the stereotypical "fake" families in these sorts of trailers.

So I dunno. I think that most of the people on this site don't actually game with their families, casual or not. It's not as unrealistic as you'd think.

Ratfuzz

@Altima NEO: Have you considered it probably has a system to set a user to give command status and ignores the others.

kyzur

No yawn and grab unless you're looking to speed things along.

Seriously though, you're going to have to get used to your yawn and grab efforts being smacked away when watching movies with the Kinect.

For video games it has promise, as a remote control for movies it just has bad news written all over it.

fanboyps3

Yeah...that thing is not touching my living room. Just...no.

@Scarecrow_Jack: I dunno. If I'm doing a timing-based thing with a friend or my brother or someone, I'll say something to keep us together. Comes from being a musician, I guess.

Hell, my parents, brother, and I were playing the canoeing game for the Wii. We actually started chanting, "One, two, one, two," to keep ourselves in time, and ended up laughing just like the stereotypical "fake" families in these sorts of trailers.

So I dunno. I think that most of the people on this site don't actually game with their families, casual or not. It's not as unrealistic as you'd think.

Ratfuzz

@Kj719: Not unless your beer is on a shelf above you which moves to the right as you try to grab it.

neil008

@RenegadeWolf: Thanks for the link.

Interesting video....that's all I can say haha. No gameplay...weird family...looks like a 'no texting while driving' type of PSA

blehbleh13

I can seem them adding to their "jump in" ads the word "literally"

Jet Felipe

@redHouse: Where does it say this is required?

Most Wii games that need you to stand up and move around require the same amount of space. You know, the space your body takes up.

If your living room isnt big enough for you to stand up in with space for your arms to move outwards a bit, then you should consider moving.

neil008

Up to Microsoft's usual high marketing standards, I see...

erlik

@Orionsaint: Why are people comparing this to Nintendo again? I understand it's motion technology, but there is nothing in the hand. This is akin to comparing a cordless phone to a cellphone. It uses the same principle, but removes pieces needed for the result. The Move uses controllers AND a camera, so you could rip on Sony for copying both Nintendo and Microsoft if you decided to. Though, I'm sure someone will anyway.

'Hi we're a PC. I mean Mac! Sorry, we get confused sometimes." Sounds the same, doesn't it. Yet both companies thrive to their own demographics.

I just thought we were past this comparison, since we have been shown for months that the companies have shared tech, but are exclusive in what is delivered.

HobbitGamer

Really Microsoft?

Really?

legendnthemaking

Ah the Thorn family is playing Kinect

@HitBit: I'm not 100% sure on this but I think they showed that a couple of months ago. They had the camera and some program running that actually showed you a wiremesh/skeleton of two persons (one of the two jumped in later).

Did a search:

[kotaku.com]

Edit: So yeah, it's pretty much exactly like Brodka described it.

Southpaws_ITF

just show us the starwars game.. thats all we care about

xone9

@RyuuzakiBjorn: I heard that too.

kyzur

gamer milf. that is all.

B45

@Dodge2002: I was thinking the same thing... what happens when someone gets up to go the bathroom and it exits to the dashboard or something like that...

yarvenclog

You know, started playing video games so i could sit on my ass and eat chips....

PCRenegade

@jsmo5: You can set it to only be controlled by one person - and it tracks you by your face. And this control method looks like it only watches for specific hand movements, too.

It's not like the old webcam games or EyeToy stuff where it only sees big blocks of movement and reacts to them. This tech allows precise detection of specific elements (hands, elbows, arms, knees, legs, heads) on specific people (up to 4 at a time as far as we know) seperately at all times.

I'm amazed that nobody seems to understand this... or at least remember it.

neil008

@Duane Llave: forgot picture

Duane Llave

Now everyone, bend your head, and lift up one hand and place it against your forehead.

Dylan Frye

they all look like idiots...

Duane Llave

I've never felt so embarrassed for other people in my life.

wintersault

@Havilah J. Farnsworth: "Yeah! that was aweso- Oh fuck! Stop! Rewind! Play! NO I SAID PLAY!"

player proceeds to yell at unresponsive fastforwarding movie for next several minutes

welcome to the future

Rusty Seraj

@fozfan33: don't underestimate the so called "casual gamer"...

HitBit

I think there is only one appropriate description for this:

LOL

NorthStar37

The menu control looks all kinds of sexy. Gaming on the other hand... so far no reason I should play it over my Wii.

yanipheonu

@blehbleh13: Nominated for comment of the week.

I can see this only working in short bursts for me. I play games to relax, not for an additional source of exercise.

Great fun for the casuals though and as long as it doesn't undermine my gaming interests it's fine by me.

Grind_Axis

I see the DVD functions as being very annoying. Stretch in the middle of a movie and you're suddenly in another chapter. Wave at someone coming through and facepalm at the most likely buggy gestures skipping you around. A lot of people talk with their hands. Heaven forbid you have friends over and are talking to each other through the movie waving your arms around and whatnot.

Sontrowa

I wonder how many Microsoft execs saw this video before it became official. Even close, happy families will think this is super lame.

Seriously, if Microsoft isn't thinking about damage control for this crap, they're morons.

blehbleh13

As an individual who lives in an apartment I can safely say I have enough room for Kinect, but the people below me are going to be awfully pissed once I start jumping up and down doing the raft game.

And that acting, horrendous. It is as if the director told the children to yell "Mom!" and "Dad!" constantly in an attempt to prove that they are all related. I was waiting for the mother to turn around and yell "STFU! Mommys busy!"

Quicksilver4648

@Shinta: Much as I agree with your other statements, the casual market is more oriented towards games/accessories being fun than anything else.

@cap-n-crunch: simple minds prefer direct input. aka, i swing arm, avatar swings arm. you can put one button in front of them, not even a controller. you can even label it a "swing arm button" and they will still cry, shit their pants, melt their brains, and run away.

Rusty Seraj

The UI control stuff is still the only thing that looks good so far.

I could see a lot of young girls going crazy for the dancing games though.

cool8man001

@Altima NEO:

GOD DAMNIT SNAPE KILLS DUMBLEDORE!?!?!?

NezumiYaro

[www.youtube.com]

First TV commercial for Natal.

RenegadeWolf

@Brodka: regrettably: And, while that sounds great in theory, it still has to be seen in practice. Not that I'm especially skeptical, but I'm curious to see the performance in non-optimal settings, which in the end will be the majority of cases.

HitBit

Hi we're Nintendo. I mean Microsoft! Sorry, we get confused sometimes.

The controls seem complicated on the Kinetic. Jump! Jump! Jump! The future is exciting!

Orionsaint

@fozfan33: The menu got me excited, but I made a whole comment earlier on that. Honestly, anyone who doesn't have a tiny be of interest in this is dead inside.

HobbitGamer

@alaCarter: Look we're white kids looking like black guys on screen and listening to a song that we probably wouldn't be allowed to b/c it sounds to hop-ish

@Chowderholic: Yay, mom!! Good job mom! Shoot that muthafucka. Boom headshot!!!

That would have been a welcome twist to this crappy vid

blehbleh13

That's some quality trolling MS.

Sam fisher's a aimbot

@alaCarter: "Kids, you're adopted"

PajamaSam

@Scarecrow_Jack: My mistake, it was the son. Not sure if that's better or worse.

Scarecrow_Jack

@Vonhert: What, did people sue for the Tooth fairy's 'off-hour' fees?

HobbitGamer

@WhiteSnakejutsu: you gotta admit those commercials were badass compared to the move and kin-whateverthefuck commercial. except for the kevin butler move commercial. nothing beats butler

Rusty Seraj

@Kj719: This is my only concern...Though it would make me finally get a beer hat.

HobbitGamer

OMG, why cany MS and Sony put all this money into developing games for " GAMERS"...

donthizz#1

@cap-n-crunch: That reminds me back when I picked up Black & White with its "revolutionary" mouse motions to cast spells. Perhaps it's because I'm left-handed and use the mouse with my right, but I found it highly annoying and was constantly wanting a menu of some kind.

I think developers need to consider that, yes, while something might be "cool" and "futuristic", convenience also needs to be taken into consideration. That's one reason I'm having a hard time getting excited about Kinect.

Cantatus

@cap-n-crunch: yeah I love looking for the remote, I like it when it falls between the cushions, or when my wife leaves it in the kitchen, or when my dog grabs it and runs into the bedroom with it, or when I get up and forget about it and it falls to the ground making the batteries fall out, or replacing the batteries.

Dolgo

I wanna see a shooter...

Chowderholic

@WhiteSnakejutsu: Its like when you play DDR. Theres only one person on the pad, but you always have those two guys behind you doing the steps on the bare floor.

Altima NEO

@Altima NEO: Or maybe paused it!

HobbitGamer

Casual? Where are all of the neophyte shooter fans?

@Kj719: will it rewind when u drink it?

dhimango

@CitizenErased115: I give it a month!

Altima NEO

@Roy_Campbell(That guy from Metal Gear): Thanks :3

Altima NEO

@Altima NEO: How can they even lay on their stomachs like that? Would break my neck in a minute trying to do that.

@redHouse: I hear that. I am mildly interested in this but my living room is definitely too small for it.

GAAA!!! I want more info on the menu functions! Honestly, that's what I'm most excited about. There is a legit reason for this.

When I started school in the med field 2 months ago, I decided that every weekend my parents would come over and join me to watch movies (on my 360) since I only have time to spend with them in the early morning to work out for mom. I enjoy paying 4-5 dollars in points for a movie that's been out awhile rather than almost 30 on a new one in theaters. (I also have netflix, so most times it's just flat fee math) The most annoying challange is when one of them says "I wasn't done reading that" over a description. Of course, no one else wants to use the controller, but with this feature I don't get stressed. Also, I would like this with the MSNBC videos since mot of them are so short. I'll admit it, I'm lazy when it comes to controls. I wish my DVR had these control features, I wouldn't have to fast forward everytime a commercial hits. I already don't have time for a show to air, I really don't have time for 7 minutes of ads.

This may be considered a rant, but I think the 'hands-off' media function is fantastic. It was the first thing that drew me into Natal, and it will be a feature used every weekend in my home.

HobbitGamer

"Dad" is a backseat gamer.

"Jump... Aaaand jump... Ok....jump"

"Shut the fuck up dad, I AM JUMPING!"

Scarecrow_Jack

@Altima NEO: lol

i found it hilarious that 3 kids were playing the dancing game but only 1 person was in control. How can they mess that up?

WhiteSnakejutsu

I DON'T CARE

odelay321

gotta love casual gamers

Rusty Seraj

@Shinta: Stupid. It's definitely stupid.

But what if you go to itch your nose and it thinks you're rewiding.

KINNECT IS WATCHING YOU.

Dodge2002

@Adam Anderson: great question, though we'll only know once it comes out

theBMB

A whole family sitting around watching "The Guild", yeaaah.. right.. like anyone in that video would understand one thing in that show.

EyeR8

@fozfan33: Uh MILF?

CitizenErased115

@RyuuzakiBjorn: I find it funny they showed a free show like The Guild instead of one of those largely overpriced movie downloads from the Zune Extortionplace.

I die a little inside me...

tnasoundlug

@#1 spot on the leaderboard for 2 straight hours of physical activity.

CitizenErased115

@Altima NEO: *heart click*

...

Oh, I've already been following you. Carry on then. By the way, I lol'd. :)

Dear god, that was excruciatingly painful to watch.

Yentz

@GunFlame: The Second Coming: It never had any.

#inb48repliessayingthesamething

well controling dash looks cool, but omg those games look gimicky and lame. I love my controller and will not be jumping for the "future" AKA "Wii with out wiimote and stupid lil minigames that make you jump." wheres the scanning object feature. where is the cam chat feature(heard its confirmed) and where is MILO??

Zack Zwiezen

@Adam Anderson: It keeps your limbs together as a person essentially.

If a different person walks by, it recognizes that your hands are where they always were and that other thing is a different person.

It can apparently track multiple people. That means multiple heads connected to necks connected to torsos, etc.

Brodka: regrettably

@alaCarter:

Is it me or does the Kinect alienate wheelchair bound gamers relative to the Wii or Move PS3 controller? The menu system mechanic looks awesome, the games look like EyeToy 2.0 games.

devonthedude530

apartments everywhere beware...

Shinkirou

@Wolfgang Wozniak: I loved playing that game during Halo 2 matches, that one time. Then I realized it says which player pressed the "X" button to stop the game countdown.

@alaCarter: FAMILIES! YAAAAAAAAAAAAY! :D

Xander

Well, unless this thing is $60, comes with a killer app, and a new living room, I think I'm out of luck. Oh darn.

Have fun casual market.

Shinta

WhiteSnakejutsu

@cap-n-crunch: Thank you. I don't get why it is considered the future to make things harder.

RedCarmine

So if there's no controllers, how does kinect recognize which motion is actually for the game and which motions aren't? Like what happens if the dog suddenly runs in front of the tv while you're trying to precisely hit that music rhythm game? Or what's stopping that asshole in the background who's watching you play from lifting his hand up and suddenly bringing up the 360 dashboard?

Adam Anderson

These family centered commercials are so cringingly painful to watch. That Gwen Stefani (why do I know that :( ) part was especially awkward and hard to bear through.

"good job mawmmm" UGHHH.

Oh and hey, here's one of my favorite trailers for a product ever: ^ Oh the good ol' PS1 days... where does time go?

Enough with this stupid thing.

phinn

@Altima NEO: Required.

Jimmy_Jazz

So is that show supposed to be funny?

I mean the thing they're watching.

Also, I'd sabotage TV watching all the time, seeing as how it looks like all you have to do is wave your hand.

Its the old "Who keeps pressing down!?)

Wolfgang Wozniak

@Kj719: It doesn't pause, but Milo pops up in the corner and calls you an alcoholic.

blehbleh13

I always think its nuts when it shows people using motion control instead of a remote, On what planet is it easier to make a crazy wild arm swing than press a button? Why is this even a selling point?

cap-n-crunch

@jsmo5: I thought the exact same thing instantly.

Plus you still need a remote for volume on your TV anyway, so it's a bit ... weird. Cool I guess?

Shinta

Wheres the lightsaber swinging, force push throwing, storm trooper impaling action?

miguelv

Mom - "Hey guys, does anyone want a glass of happy familemonade?"

Szin

@Avalon: I agree with you if you replace the Move with 3d Ps3. The Move actually has real games and a controller so I'm excited for it.

blehbleh13

Talk about subliminal message at the end, mis-using a quote from the guild of what?! "(In a sarcastic tone) I love spending time with my family, it is better than gaming."

It has just lost its potential.

That fast forward was pretty badass...

scotty

well now i can't move my arms if i'm watching netflix...

Havilah J. Farnsworth

Uh oh Microsoft...

gatsu25

The people living on the first floor will not approve... Seriously, I can't get this... I will get evicted

sodafountan

Aaaaaannndd.... jump! Nice.

@redHouse: I dont know if its really "required" or just what they set up to make this living room set look nice for the shoot.

Altima NEO

You won't be able to watch anything with your kids, they won't sit still and make the movie pause, fastforward, skip, etc.

jsmo5

how about some real gaming news instead of all this casual shit.

E3 better deliver something besides Kinect, Move, and 3DS.

Avalon

Can't control heartbeat

Potential is too high

Losing feeling in my Extremities

Uncontrollable excitement for unknown reasons...

*head explodes*

Lazthelost

Also, there's a noise the raft makes when it's falling that sounds a LOT like the "alien death scream" from the original X-Com....

yeah...using just your hand to fast forward in a movie is fantastic. Up yours "hunting for the remote"!!!

Dolgo

@fozfan33: The soccer moms at e3 went nuts over this demo

blehbleh13

Yeah.. the end part felt a bit awkward.... A family sitting in a nice living room watching "The Guild" together? Quite unlikely...

Kakkoii

Watching a movie

Someone gets up to stretch

GOD DAMMIT TIMMY, SIT BACK DOWN YOU JUST FAST FOWARDED THE WHOLE DAMNED MOVIE!!!

Altima NEO

Kinect what? Oh...I was too busy staring at the mom's ass microsoft, sorry

sodafountan

Anyone else noticing the large amount of free living space required here? The Wii's one thing, but that first living room is bigger than an apartment I used to have..

redHouse

Wow, they sound like they are having a ton of fun.

"Ok, now jump. Jump."

They deliver lines like people on tech support.

"Yes, yes, yes, go, go, yes, good job Mom, third place!"

Ok, not like tech support. But still no emotion- I wouldn't have any either if my kids were watching.

@alaCarter: hahaha great

blehbleh13

"i love to spend time with my family. this is so mush better than gaming" Really guys did that really go at the end?

Maikel De Bakker

This parody is really good!

blehbleh13

So is it going to fast forward every time I reach out for beer?

Kj719

wow all those games look really lame

this is coming from someone who was excited about natal

smitty5569

Oh puey....now parents won't have anyone to sue once little Johnny hits his sister in the face making her lose a tooth.

Two things

One:Did they edit HellaGood?

Two:YOU NEVER FASTFORWARD THROUGH THE GUILD!!!!

stoconum

The best part of the video was that it had The Guild in it...

foolio1

what a craptastic video...

i dont see how that will get anyone excited about anything.

fozfan33

Kakkoii

I didn't know that the game jumps when you say jump.

sgraff87

"MOM! Go MOM! Good job MOM! Good job DAD! You guys are my PARENTS!"

alaCarter

Good job, mom!

TWiesengrund

@stafax: It was sarcasm, bro.

Soyerzzz

Has any games that appeal to gamers been announced for the Kinect yet?

Soyerzzz

Wow, that was some of the stupidest shit i've ever seen. It was so fantastically awful that i`m going to watch again and weep about people associating gaming with ... this. I wonder if Sony manages to outdo the amount of retarded with move ... i hope not.

oby

@marklip: isn't this kinda how you look to them now?

luigilogik

Why is it so quiet? I was a little freaked out...

dreamfall

Natal looks like it'll be a failure and the PS Move seems like it might be a failure.

Seriously, Microsoft. Is this the best marketing you can do? Obviously fake looking living room, fake family, and some weird guy that all he says is "Nice..." in a mono-tone voice?

FAIL

xxnike629xx

This made me so uncomfortable.

wazzzup16

Ask me if I would like to stand in my living room and look like a complete dork to anyone watching?

Go on ask me...

Um.... No thank you.

is it just me or do they always show them in huge living rooms? I have a tiny room so I'll be flailing my arms like crazy from my bed.

Bader Waleed

This has the same appeal as a Sears catalog. Bland and boring. It has zero charm and completely devoid of a soul.

MS has made a great job making this look like the shit it really is. Just like Jobs say in this video, they are a boring pastel color corporation forcing themselves to be cool and looking very pathetic in the process.

Just like the hipster Kin phone and the "me too" mentality behind this project, MS is just clueless about how to add character to their shit appropriately. Now with their "gaming rig/alienware fail" Xbox 360 redesign and the Cool McCool "Kinect" brand name, the whole thing has gotten worse.

Wow. The software simply blows my mind.

@ColinStein: Kinect has more potential then Move because of the voice recognition. Plus you could use it in combination with a controller. Where move you'll have a crappy shooter controller or a wii sports controller

SoulAssassin808

i couldnt watch it alll,sorry...

apollon

@Ethereus: I doubt that it is that.

The big Companys who Produce them just don't try, cause they think they can get more with the mediocre aimed at the "Casual" crowd.

Funny thing is how they always ashure the hardcoregamer crowd that it will be totally for their games. X-P

Till now that never came true.

Oh lordy, this is going to be another EyeToy affair, isn't it?

For whatever reason, I could never make the EyeToy work. I changed the lighting as much as I could, gave myself as much space as possible, even changed what I wore when playing in case that fucked it up. I could never get it to work. Everyone else made it work just fine, but it didn't do shit when I tried it.

SilentGuy

@Hongo: Let's be fair; it does LOOK better than any of that Mii Sports shit.

@TC-man: Just like you could just call water an enhanced version of hydrogen and oxygen!

Unsub

While I don't own a 360, I was hoping Microsoft could prove me wrong about Kinect. So far, I played this same kind of stuff on the EyeToy 7 years ago and on Wii 4 years ago.

Hongo

Well y'know what they say, the family that looks stupid together........ is probably playing Kinect.

SupaKero

@dowingba: Thats all I ask, for a little respect, thank you.

His comment wouldn't have been hilarious if your comment was stupid, and your comment was a very good comment in

my humble opinion. I was just simply asking if that could be perceived as promoting your own comment, not saying whether or not you had the right to do so.

I personally would have promoted your comment. You may take that as the highest compliment possible.

fanboyps3

@xair: Don't mess with the gay gamers, dey go crazy on your ass.

I did not actually mean that to come out like that. o_O

@alaCarter: Hahahaha

@TheNick316: maybe if he watch a porn movie alone kinect will loop the same 2 seconds over and over and over and over and over.

chamoo232

@Koda89: The Move just sounds so much better/smarter.

I just thought of something, remember awhile ago someone making a big deal about video games needing to be made for the blind? Just wait until someone freaks out that handicap/people with physical deformities complains about how they can't play. People will find anything to freak out over. Do blind people freak out over TV? Movies? Things that are made for people with vision? Well I guess not books...but not all books are available in braille. I'm calling it, someone tries to sue Mircosoft over this.

ColinStein

@Jimmy_Jazz: LOL XD

rOy13

Minority Report sounds cool but I feel like I will be looking for the remote controller. There is a reason The Clapper died off.

BTW, These actors are just non-stop trainwreck. You could have told me this was official and I would have called you a liar.

That mop mutant

@kazooie: I dunno about you, but I thought they looked pretty stupid doing that dancing game

@blehbleh13: See, I didn't know about that controller thing. It kinda sounds like that thing that...Johnny Lee? Is that his name? Kinda sounds like his ideas with the Wii. And wasn't he hired by Mircosoft?

All I know is people keep calling me a fanboy. I guess people get upset when they put alot of money into Live and new consoles and what not. Ok, that's a fanboy comment. :P It just makes sense with the colored ball, yes I can see it getting annoying but I see how it makes sense of being there for the camera to see. Makes sense for the camera to see how far away the ball is. It just looks like it works. I have an EyeToy...well I bought it for the girlfriend at the time thinking she'd think it's stupid fun because...well anyway, after moving out I just took it because she didn't care. The point is, when we played it we had to have perfect lighting conditions to play and then it still sucked. The people on Destructoid think the Kinect is just an EyeToy and that's what I've been thinking as well. I don't know if the Kinect uses some sort of night vision see the players or not but that's also a concern. There's also the control fuck up thing. I'm not really a big fan of how Sony did the shoulder buttons on the PS3. I can't count how many times I'm watching a movie and toss the controller on the couch to get something to eat and then it starts fast forwarding and then I have to rush back and fix it before I go do what I was going to do. Now sure I shouldn't toss or throw my controller around, but it was only tossing it onto a cushion, but think about the hand gestures that will fuck up the Kinect stuff.

Man...I'm typing alot. Sorry, E3 and debating stuff it fun and it seems like my friends don't get as interested as I do...or listen to reason _

ColinStein

"THIRD PLACE-AH!"

@Rusty Seraj: yes, as useful as "no controller" is, for people who lose them... it's quite useless for a controller that responds to EVERY SINGLE MOVE YOU MAKE wether intentional or not, and that can't be a good thing...

besides, as much as running in place to simulate speed or leaning left and right to initiate direction looks like SUCH A GREAT TIME, i think i'll stick to buttons and analogue sticks...

i'd way rather just not play games if that's what i wanted to do...

turning a tv into an iphone is great but it pretty much has NOTHING to do with a home video game console...

Havilah J. Farnsworth

@Orionsaint: You forgot the last three parts of the equation:

"sell a bunch of hardware, poor attach rate on software, bring on the shovelware."

Not that I'm totally against this thing. Sure, the Wii already taught me that I don't want to flail my arms in front of the TV, or shake the remote to make Mario do his spin attack or Marco throw a grenade when there are two other buttons on the controller THAT AREN'T EVEN BEING USED.

Had to vent. Anyways, I do like the idea of a futuristic, motion controlled menu, a headset-less mic (as long as it is easy to toggle) and a web cam. Kinect isn't all about jumping around shaking stuff, and if the price is low enough I'll buy one.

bigfreaky

Oh i get it Microsoft.

It's like a Wii but without looking stupid.....

kazooie

Natal was a better name.

Marketing Department FAIL!

MonkeyChunks

@Kj719: No sneaky yawning to put your arm around the missus either. I wonder if they will offer bottles of Saxitoxin to prevent accidental channel hopping?

ThursdayNext

@Dash: just like the Wii? shit blew up, son

Pathetic.

@ColinStein: There was a comment that discussed the possibilities of the Kinect working with an Xbox controller, so you could peak around a corner in an FPS or automatically sign in when the camera recognizes you. So there is SOME potential in the Kinect if it were to be used in conjunction with the controller. These Microsoft demos are just lame though. There was another comment that called it the Microsoft Mime, which is the most fitting name I've ever heard.

You don't need to be a fanboy to think the Move is the best looking motion gaming device. It looks like it has the best features of the Wii and the Kinect. It's got good graphics, a controller, and a lineup of games on board. I'm really excited about it. I hope it's not too expensive.

blehbleh13

The only reason I like the idea of Natal is because of how you can use gestures to fast forward and control menus, using it in a video game just seems.. Arbitrary and pointless. It seems like it's only real purpose is to make you look like an idiot while using it.

@fanboyps3: My comments can't be promoted. I have a star.

I promoted his comment because it's hilarious. Do you have a problem with that? Shall I check with you from now on before I promote comments?

Oh shit, I just promoted yours. Is that all right with you? I only ask because, well, you're clearly in charge of Kotaku and all things must be approved by you.

Very humble of you to turn down your own star in order to stay in cognito, I suppose. Because clearly the Boss of All Things Kotaku would surely have been offered one by now. It's kind of strange that the most important person on this website -- nay, the world wide web itself -- doesn't even have the privilege to promote comments. Is it a glitch or some sort of Boxing Day prank? Who can tell! Who could ever hope to interpret the mysterious ways of fanboyPS3, our lord and saviour. Hallowed be thy name, who art in Kotaku. Amen.

dowingba

@Ratfuzz: I really wonder who MS aims these things at. Even the press knows how stupid these videos look. Do they think they're fooling anyone with this whole "family" BS when it comes to Kinetic.

It's like the Wii.. when I play Wii Sports it's usually with a group of drunk 30-something guys.

EyeR8

this is going to be GREAT for apts......

wocyob

@ColinStein: Yep. Now Kinect WOULD be able to do wonderful things....if you had some kind of controller like the PlayStation Move.

I get that MS is trying to provide an alternative to the one thing that alienates most people from gaming, physical controllers, but in doing so, they also limit the types of games you can effectively play with the device. For instance, I can bet you that almost no shooters will be made for the thing, cause you NEED a controller for a shooting game. Unless they make us recreate that one "controversial" early Xbox 360 commercial where a subway station full of people "shoot" each other with their fingers.

Koda89

@Jimmy_Jazz: The more realistic version:

The mom and dad are tired as hell from working all day and are pushed into playing video games by their hookerish dressed daughter, their crackhead older son who hates them for who knows what random thing, and their annoying younger daughter screaming about not watching Hannah Montana reruns while everyone is playing Xbox.

Or maybe that's the more pessimistic version. Either way, I don't think that's image Microsoft wants to present.

Bayshun

Thank you microsoft, for proving that the wii family adverts could always have been much, much worse.

Lozmaster

@Badassbill: @CrimsonAngel: Natal did have the pronunciation problem, though. Average Joann might think it's just a pregnancy workout system.

ninjaVSdragon

@apollon: Oh no, that means you missed the good part!

ninjaVSdragon

@supra5mge: Yeah.. I highly doubt it. I think it's just the best(/practically only?) video property msft has the rights to.

ninjaVSdragon

@MoBoRoS: And don't give me that "everyone is allowed to play" crap. This isn't even a game, it is a poor replacement for outdoor activity. That family could have just as much fun (and much less awkward fun) going to the park and jumping like idiots if they wanted to.

contrapositive

@MoBoRoS: It isn't elitism. Watch that video again.

**constipated noise** "Jump!"

**constipated noise** "Jump! ...nice."

Watching this video was the visual equivalent to nails on a chalkboard for me. Absolutely no one's family is like that, it was painfully awkward for everyone involved, it was even awkward to watch. Just because you can't see that, doesn't make me an elitist. It just makes you one of the few people on this comment board right now who doesn't think this advertisement is fucking weird.

contrapositive

@Iceman B.: I can't see why they think they will be able to get some of the wii crowd by completely copying nintendos adverts and games. What incentive is there to get the product if it's the same as something you already have?

And yes, the clip is horrendous. Apparantly some people somewhere think this is a good piece of marketing. Probably spent a load of money on research.

katorion

@buff_man: Yes but it was new and innovative back then, now the only new thing is that you control it with your body and not a remote.

Ha ha! Is there really a family such as is portrayed that collectively watches The Guild?

supra5mge

@Badassbill: I agree.

At least Natal had a air of dignity around it.

CrimsonAngel

@dreamfall: Thats the silence of the final nail put in the coffin of the 360 called Kinect...

Seriously though, I think Kinect is absolutely stupid, but it may appeal to the So you Think You Can Dance crowd and parents with overweight kids.

supra5mge

@contrapositive: who cares! as long as everyone is allowed to play it's fine.

Don't be an elitist.

MoBoRoS

@Cloud_Hiro: Try raising your hand without wanting to change a channel and chaos ensues.

MoBoRoS

@That mop mutant: To be honest, I don't like this whole Kinect ordeal, but you are so wrong about the Clapper, I always wished I had one, it died off because people are morons, as this video so conveniently demonstrates.

Limbero

@SoulAssassin808: Move has voice recognition as well according to one of the demo videos, I mean it only makes sense anyway, it's working with the playstation eye, which is a camera with dual microphones.

Rated-G

@Ethereus: why would you promote this ? Ban this ad-bot.

buddhatooda

@Not_Nyx: Haha. Yeah. Especially the outtakes. I made that mistake once. Vork says "fuck", like 30 times.

Mothergooch

@HobbitGamer: I was ranting about the games, not the Tech ;). This tech is quite cool actually, and comes close to something akin to Minoritiy Reports screen controls. That's the kind of content I want to see, and not some cheap Wii Sports rip-off.

Limality

@Hongo: You bought the Wii after already experiencing the atrocity of the EyeToy?

...I'm...so sorry.

contrapositive

the one thing I liked about it was the remote free video controls. use that to replace the tv remote and no more friggen 10 minute searches for the lost remote intill you give up and do it manualy like you should have in the first place!

Cloud_Hiro

@bloog: And the kid's reaction to mom's horrible performance were accurate " Yeah, third place! Good Job Mom !" (Meanwhile thinking in your head, "my mom sucks at video games...she's the reason why i can't beat Demon's Souls, damn genes")

buddhatooda

@contrapositive: As a side note:

This is the product of a casual gaming market. I blame facebook and the Wii.

contrapositive

GOOD JOB MOM!

I really hope no family in the world actually behaves this way.

contrapositive

This is almost as stupid as that horrendous Scene-It promo.

I wish I could line up everyone who helped create this piece of shit and hose them down. With a flamethrower. Spewing napalm.

I really dont get it, people get PAID to make this shit? o_O

OMG SOLD!!!!!!!

RightFootStar

So.... a Sonic game could actually work...

ppppp

@wazzzup16: Yeah, now you know how it feels to use natal.

oby

Oh geez. Really?

@Bader Waleed: They aren't real living rooms, they're studios big enough to fit cameras into. Hence, big.

Alex Winton

@Soyerzzz: Behold ! The revolutionized mainstreamed version of gaming ... be awed you dinosaur !

oby

@rayjt9: Agreed, I think Kinect looks very promising, and can't wait for Microsoft's press conference later today to see what they and 3rd parties have planned for it.

fanboyps3

I cringed so hard that my skull fractured.

wintersault

@bakura: it'll actually be on SPIKE, not G4. weird, right?

soulsiphon, Malakite Vassal of War

So now we know where all those missing children and people end up. Forming fake families to promote using motion technology for gaming!

VastShadowz41

Who jumps ahead through an episode of the Guild? Even one you've already seen. You watch it all again and you love it!! :p

StephenK

@VincentVendetta: Will we be able to cheat by using our fingers instead of feet, though? ;)

TheContender

so how 'bout that eyetoy

I think sony missed a trick when they didn't include the minority report shiz with their playstation eye

rayjt9

@thelastlambda: It's pronounced the way it is spelled. Kin ect. You didn't learn how to read phonetically in school I am guessing. Whole word reading is bad.

Anyhow, ideally, no games would be heavy first person shooters. Goodness knows we have had enough of those over the last few years to last us for another decade.

xsbs

@Hi-Im-Asylum: Have you ever tried the Wii Series? They may be simple but they are real games. This stuff for Kinect and Move are seriously webcam based MSN games. -,-;

Jordan White

What the fuck? This is quite possibly the most cringe-worthy video I've ever seen on kotaku

zack10house

@Rusty Seraj: hell yeah man... im not a nintendo fan but dam those commercials were bad ass.

WhiteSnakejutsu

@vid3oman64: May I actually contest that the only people who threw their Wii's into the closet were snooty hardcore gamers because it did not have GTA. Many of the casual software that had sequels sold as good or better than the originals, so your theory is fucked. Everything else though, is true for the most part.

Jordan White

@Dayvie: lmao "Good Job Mom"

TonySnow85

I'm sorry to say it, but those two first games look like they could easily be playable with the NES Power Pad. And the third one is just like Just Dance, I mean it's exactly the same game!

VincentVendetta

what the hell IS this thing!?! Seriously, does anybody have any idea what this thing is supposed to be? Does anybody want this?

gordeaux789

I understand some casual games... I mean all games dont have to be heavy fps, I can think of a game plants vs zombies off the top of my head. Then their is casual crap... this is where the natal is heading (refuse to call it kinect because I dont know how to pronounce it, connect, Kinetic, i just dont know!)

thelastlambda

@Hi-Im-Asylum: Also, I have a feeling this hardware is going to impose more limitations than it will remove. Can you imagine trying to playing a technical fighter like SF4 or BlazBlue on this thing? It'd be like a full cardiovascular regiment. Games are going to have to shape themselves to this tech, and not the other way around. I don't expect to see much quality come out of it. That said, I don't really care either.

Hi-Im-Asylum

The room have no personallity, no drawing no toy no nothing even if there 3 childrens it make's me sad :(

Where should I watch the Microsoft conference ? on Gamespot or G4 ?

bakura

New motion control hardware will not inject good writers and innovative designers into big name studios. I care little about this, as long as developers continue making games like Mass Effect and Mirror's Edge for the Xbox.

Hi-Im-Asylum

Safe to say, this product isn't necessarily for senior citizens.

RiotControl

@ppppp: but the paradox is it would have to be good.

thelastlambda

Seriously, this is JUNK! It's so unappealing. I'm SO looking forward to move now, and I hope to god it's NOTHING like this.

Ugh, so angry.

Haroskyline

If this is what my family is going to look like playing Kinect, it'll remain on the store shelf.... thanks.

The Village Vidiot

so i understand the Kinect is supposed to be powerful and include all these zany features...but so far this looks pretty much exactly like the Eyetoy...the PS2 one....

pandafresh

@TheAlmeida: yup Sony sure is copying this camera that attaches to a console, kinda like their eye toy for ps2...OH WAIT..WAIT....

pandafresh

only thing that was awesome here was The Guild...well that's my opinion tho not everyone's

AxCrege

Man,that was horrible...even when compared to the Nintendo E3 hype reel from 2 years ago.

Sugreev2001

Jesus. Christ. Before I just didn't care about Natal or whatever, now I NEED it to fail.

slamdance

"Hey kids, want to watch a film? Ok. Now everybody sit completely still..."

Who wants to watch a film when it's going to fastforward everytime you move your hand? You'll be reaching for a glass of water and skip half the film.

It reminds me of the time my mum forgot I was waiting in the car and locked it, activating the alarm. I was sat completely rigid, trying to inch my hand towards the door handle.

bernardmatthews

@contrapositive: how do you know what other family do ? I mean there must be somewhere on the planet that it's like that, we are 8 billions

bakura

8/

TomWar

@Cop Toffee: That was soooooo awkward!!

wheelis

@soap_box: Sony should've done that. MS has got something new to offer, Sony is just copying.

TheAlmeida

@That mop mutant: *Clap On, Clap Off*

PuppetDoctor

This made me laugh very hard. Didn't those people on the couch realize they really couldn't see the TV with their kids butts in their way?

PuppetDoctor

@contrapositive: I was obviously referring to your second comment about blaiming facebook and wii about the casual gaming market.

Your posts don't make any sense as we are talking about totally different things.

MoBoRoS

most lame family of all time.

what family watches the guild together....?

also why was the mtv dance game so quiet, it made me feal like someone was goina jump infront of the camera and scare the shit outa me aha

perry570

When you're watching a movie, does everyone have to sit completely still? What if people are walking past, or if you just reach over to get your drink, will you wind up fast forwarding?

I wish Microsoft could've stayed away from this gimmick altogether, remained the only console to concentrate on real games, stand above the others with their dignity. I understand that would never have happened due to the money the Wii has made. However Nata- ...Kinect (ugh, what an awful name) looks the worst of the lot.

That was so awful I had to stop watching it. Absolutely, terrible fake family.

Jim.

@putermcgee: Or games that aren't derivative copypaste made to sell the hardware to a massively low-standard holding demographic.

Hi-Im-Asylum

Oh god criiinge!

Dear Microsoft,

Real people do not act like this, and if so, you shouldn't encourage them

Signed,

Everyone

@Atomsk88: This made me laugh so much that I've almost crapped my pants.

LegacyCrono

this is making me cringe so hard I might die.

You better have a coffee table with wheels, or Kinect won't be friendly to you back.

Ravennl

While playing Kinect, please shut up. It's just embarrassing enough already.

LegacyCrono

Not a single thing I give a rats arse about. But I still applaud pushing this tech to consumer market, it's important step that speeds up the development. Maybe they eventually come up with something useful.

ara

" Kinect......... Its The Xbox's Eyetoy"

that should be the new slogan lol

but seriously if i had to race like that i would be so worn out by the third race that i couldnt even play and RTS. I dont think this would be much of a hit since it doesnt have Voice recognition or Object scanning integrated.

I'd Imagine the family together watching a movie and when somebody passes the Popcorn the movie fast forward to the ending, lol everyone gets spoiled by Popcorn.

mistico5656

Dear motion controllers,

It was a worthwhile experiment. I got the wii on launch day. It was fun and cool for a while. People don't really know how to make you work well though. Software quality suffered and in the end I bought a PS3 so I could play some games actually worth my time and money.

So I guess what I'm asking here is for you to please go die in a fire.

- Snowman6251 :)

snowman6251

Gaming families but natal to watch a tv show about fat non gaming families? Am I missing something?

trunkenmath

@Gunstarlegends:

The average gamer is in their 30s I think....

Many of those gamers are parents now.

@rayne117 - I'm back.: Good times.

Wolfgang Wozniak

Who is mircosoft marketing this towards? No parent concerned with spending time with their kids is gonna be watching e3. They push out these fun for the whole family ads, that don't seem to have a demographic.

Gunstarlegends

Wow, this video is lame.

AlexMLynch

@soap_box: How was Microsoft the only company focused on games again?

Gunstarlegends

It's a shame they don't look like they're enjoying this. The adults are better actors, but the look on the teen boy's face says everything. I still hope this technology works.

Batman

Notice the difference with the Wii family interior?

Of course a real USA family has a drab brown living room that looks like it came straight from "Who's the boss" or "The Cosby Show"...

Horst Tappert

@Hi-Im-Asylum: Eh, every control structure brings innovation and limitations once people start to use it. Aiming is harder with analog sticks so console fps have a small amount of autoaim. There are only a few buttons, so games now make all of their functions mappable to 6ish keys.

However, that doesn't mean that games ceased to evolve, or that new concepts weren't invented because of the new hardware. Thing's just changed.

Batman

@Ethereus: Either that or developers are just figuring them out. Red Steel 2, came out two months ago, and it sounds like one of the first games where they actually understood how to make things for motion control.

Batman

@Dayvie: Thank god I'm not the only one who heard this.

BakaDango

@dreamfall: A little music could've helped, for sure.

pheria

@wazzzup16: I know what you mean ... I need a shower.

@bernardmatthews: Just wait till someone asks "Who wants popcorn?"

Wonder how the system will react with everyone raising and moving their hands.

Unknown-User

@johnny_ultimate: And his mom...and dad...and every other person in his family tree...

play_eminence

yeah, frakin good job mom

mediaboi

lol fireplace is going on a nice sunny summer day.

Brokentoy

@Timstuff: ha ha ha :-))))) M$hit such an embarrassment...

digitalpowershot

Wow. That family sucked. I'd leave that family if I were a part of it.

Didn't Sony do something like this for the PS3 (not Move) but was vaguely more convincing? Not much, but still... I remember people pointing out that they had a Samsung TV in their house so it was more likely to be real haha

@buddhatooda: When you reply it auto promotes T_T

Ethereus

@TheAlmeida: Thing is that Sonys Move controller will have alot more practical use in games, and can be easily adopted into most current games as well. While Natal... well natal will just end up making games feel more limited and restricted..

ParasiteX

@Numanoid: Hehehe, well, that's not the kind of gay I meant. I meant it the same way the kids in south park use it ;)

xair

First of all, they purposely made the boy do all the talking cuz they assume that it's only the boys who will know what to do in every game.

And they fast forward in the movie to the part that says " i love spending time with the family, so much more fun than gaming" yet she wasnt enthusiatic about it.

Hartia

So if you move your hand, at anytime, will it assume you want to fast forward. And does Kinect know your hand versus someone elses? What if your annoying brother wants to f*** with you? Thanks Kinect!!!

KiDDJR3

What is that TV show with the fat girl complaining... it actually looks funny.

jayunreal

I'm just gonna spend all my time fast forwarding and pretending to be in the futuristic police.

David Sharpe

"Jump!" "Jump!" "Jump!"

Anyone else wanted the mother to yell "shut up" and start a fistfight accurately matched by the avatars?

No? Only me? Oh... I guess I need counseling.

PirateSquirrel

Who in their right mind watches this and thinks this is "real". Why can't advertisers just show real people doing the real thing. These commercials remind me of the cheesy family board game commercials.

Kevin Harris

Anyone else having a Power Glove flashback?

I love Kinect, it's so bad!

Arkain

And in an ironic turn of events, the Wii is now the console that requires less movement to be played!

@snowman6251: To paraphrase...

"We are very very happy for your success. We are throwing a party in honor of your tremendous success. Place the device on the ground, then lie on your stomach with your arms at your sides. A party associate will arrive shortly to collect you for your party. Make no further attempt to leave the testing area. Assume the 'Party Escort Submission Position' or you will miss the party."

Razorbak86

The dance game looks like it can be a good time with a lil rum n coke.

Here's hoping for an indoor golf course deal. Obviously a big area is needed, and I'm not sure how they would firmly give the 1:1 golf ball feel, a simply attachment to a freeswinging arm? I'm not sure K'nex will be able to accurately read the club/ball, but let's hope!

70x7brandnew

Pretty sure back in the kitchen of this house are about a dozen dead bodies. Its WAY to quiet in this house for there not to be something wrong with them...

piecesofwork

These comments really drive home just how disconnected the average gamer is from the rest of the world.

I know most of you don't spend much traditional "family" time with your family because you're too busy going back and finishing Shining Force 2 again, getting all the achievements in the new Splinter Cell, and playing through uncharted one last time before getting back into Halo 3 multiplayer so as to brush up on your skills in anticipation of the release of Halo Reach.

But somewhere, out there, likely next door is a family that doesn't game at all, that doesn't post on Kotaku.com, and who doesn't even own a modern game console.

As it turns out there are millions upon millions of these families in the US alone. A small percentage of them have already made Nintendo very rich with the Wii.

These games and demos and the Canadian circus demonstration are for them, not for you.

The funny thing about the comments here is people seem to be expressing the idea that what hardcore gamers think, must be true. It's like suddenly everyone has forgotten just how much of a minority hardcore gamers are.

It's like the Wii all over again, all the hardcore gamers said it would bomb completely. And yet everyone is still amazed at how well it outsells the 360 and PS3 every month.

Don't you get it?

There is a whole other world out there folks. If you are not interested in checking it out then just say so instead of posting things that make you sound silly.

ginazninja

@ZenGaijin: isn't that the point haha

piecesofwork

It also looks like MS is the clear winner already for most embarassing E3 moment.

kasplat

I have a table in front of my couch just like most people, so not only is the family fake, but the idea of a large empty space between the TV and couch is fake too.

kasplat

@Limafoxtrot: Motion control may not be good for shooters, but pointer control is better for shooters.

There was a pretty interesting interview where the Sin & Punishment team said that they sent their game to Nintendo for testing, and all Nintendo sent back was "It's too easy, make it harder."

They were using a Gamecube controller for the game. When they went to Nintendo and tried it using a wiimote, they breezed through it with ease they made it much more difficult.

[us.wii.com]

Batman

I'm sorry, did they just fast forward through "the guild" a show that is 5 minutes long, saying they had "already seen this part."? Aparently Natal, sorry kinex, sorry kinect makes you into an inpatient asshole whose time is better spent pretending to have fun.

ddrguy440

@Cop Toffee: Yep, it's pretty damn terrible.

The Yellow Peril

So a running game that you win by "running" the fastest (moving your legs the fastest) and timing your jumps?

Eviltim

@Unknown-User: *You have selected Purchase Entire Xbox Live Arcade Library. Download pending...*

"Oh shiiii....."

bernardmatthews

Does anyone find the last line in the video kinda ironic? "I love spending time with my family, so much better than gaming /sarcasm"

@LegacyCrono: It's voice controlled to, I think when they're saying 'jump', or 'ready' that might be a command

What family sits around watching The Guild?

worm4real2

For the dance game, it looks like they're following what the on-screen characters are doing, instead of their movements being translated.

@Ethereus: Motion gaming isn't dead - however I think it is far more limited in scope than developers think it is. There are a few kind of games that work for it - and a whole bunch that don't.

Games made where motion controls make sense and that are specifically developed for it can be a lot of fun. Porting standard games like shooters or RPGs is horrible. Creating shovelware around movement and tacking on the 'game' is also horrible.

Limafoxtrot

@trunkenmath: Aside from the fact that the lady on the tv show's character is a 15 hours a day mmo gamer, nope :)

StephenK

I'm pretty sure these are the droids we're looking for, that's why it doesn't get confused.

DeadlyWhispers

@Batman: Well sure but like Yahtzee said: "What other kind of hardcore gameplay could the Wii Motion Plus possibly be used for? What else besides swordfighting combines life-threatening scenarios with holding a straight object at different angles for various situations? Because all I could think of was being an air traffic controller at the Hindenberg disaster".

And he's right!

Ethereus

@Dayvie: LOL! I laughed my ass of when she said that. I seriously, seriously laughed my ass of.

so they expect the 360 to turn into a more family based console just by introducing motion sensor based games? give me a break

doogfood

I'll get it if there's a DOA Beach Volleyball game....Think of the possibilities!

Hami83

@Xyless: Trust me, I work in a game store and the amount of shit that comes out of the mouth's of 360 "fans" about natal/kinect is astounding; and quite frankly annoying! RAH!

Yes Microsoft may not be Apple, but in this instance their ignorant fanboys aren't much different.

ValiX

"Jump! Nice." "Run! Nice." "Nice."

Niiiice.

Nfsjunkie91

@ginazninja: I get it, but what I don't get is why people who don't play games would shell out the extra $$$ for a new 360 + Natal/Kinect + online membership when the Wii is cheaper? Cost will always play a factor. Microsoft's trying to get into a market that's already close to meeting the saturation point. (or so it seems)

I not expecting any game more complicated then the ones we see here, useless you count Kenict Sports (sigh). Honestly how many actions can you possible do and keep track of with no controller or buttons? At least the Wii had buttons and the waggle usually only did one action at a time. This is just pushing itself into a corner of simple and mediocre games, and no home niche.

041744

I almost throw up a little in my mouth.

"Go mom, go! Good job, mom!"

This is too painful to watch, sry.

HK-47

I'm sorry, but no boy that age would want to play a dancing game.

Also, fast forward Felicia Day? Sacrilege!

Hahahaha, I love the Guild as much as the next guy, but that completely blank reaction to it was just hilarious.

DangerousDac175

If you scratch your face in the middle of a movie you'll accidentally fast-forward or rewind it. I'm sticking with my Xbox 360 Universal Media Remote.

ShinLord

@PirateSquirrel: Not that I wanted it to happen, but I certainly expect that is what will happen IRL. Is this mother so inept that she needs her son to tell her when to jump?

robertfoster

So remember that list from yesterday, about the top ten people who give video games a bad name? I think we can safely add this family at #11.

Also, daughter, Mom's losing. Don't tell her "good job."

robertfoster

Oh god, that was painful to watch.....Why can't they just film it with a bunch of supposed friends, using it as a fake family just is so forced and fake it's uncomfortable to watch.

Orihalcon

Has nobody considered the poor amputees of the world? They're going to have to watch the same bits of Guild episodes over and over and over.

AdamW

@pandafresh: Ya, the only difference is marketing.

danyvatt

@Gunstarlegends: E3 is the one conference that actually attracts the big media outlets like the New York Times. They are hoping the New York Times will see it and then tell parents about it.

danyvatt

@Batman: I was forced into a review of Red Steel 2. The controls were mediocre at best. I found myself resorting to the flail and hope for the best technique.

Review here:

[www.zeroand09.com]

@Batman: ALl I can say to that is I've played several shooters on the Wii - and the controls blow for everyone of them. It usually isn't the aiming - its the movement.

Limafoxtrot

I'll ONLY buy Kinect if it's a control option for the Dynasty Warriors: Fist of the North Star game, whenever that gets released here in the states.

Going "ATATATATATATA" to invisible gang bangers and watching my sweet moves get translated on screen to pure pwnage would be amazing and relevant to my gaming interests. Make it happen Koei/Microsoft.

gundaman

That kid's voice irritates me.

@trunkenmath: The video is The Guild. She's a MMO addict and dripping with sarcasm. Still, weird that they chose that clip.

@soap_box: i wonder about that too.. who am i kidding tho, i've never watched a movie on my xbox

alexLmx6

@Aklost: The brief glimpse of the insanely adorable Felicia Day almost -- almost -- made this video palatable.

Michael

@Aklost: Thank you! And thank goodness for youtube.

jayunreal

@8thR, Pun-dit: yeah, the first thing i thought of is like a kids dance recital where only 2 of them know what they're doing and the rest are trying to follow along

alexLmx6

@xsbs: Funny you mention phonetically reading... I learned it in school but never really understood it and would always just kind of guess. Occasionally it bites me in the ass but I have know started to understand it and I thought it was kinect, but you have to admit that is an odd name since its so close to connect just different.

Well I like shooters but it might get invaded with wii crap like the Cold Stone Creamery game...

thelastlambda

I find this video EXTREMELY IRRITATING!

If this was a real family i would be really worried at the teenage boy, it looks like they have one family dungeon too many.

Aklost

Must be one of those cold California summers.

@ZenGaijin: Hahahaha, and I see you outside of Team Fortress 2.

(CHARIZARD)

What no one seems to have pointed out is that they are all playing in optimal, large living room conditions. Also if you look closely their actions seem to be happening after they have occurred in the video (real-life lag???). Until I see clips of real gamers in real gaming conditions I will be excited about this.

smeloa

@jayunreal: The guild. Its also in comic book form :D

Aklost

I couldn't stand watching this cheese past the first example. =/

Stradigos

@CockroachMan: Kevin Butler Explains It All:

[i43.tinypic.com]

I guess there's no way to make it look exciting in commercial form without it also looking completely ridiculous.

leno40

@neil008: More like the space 3+ bodies flailing about take up and then some. Sure you can play wii in a fairly confined space, but the camera needs to be able to register full body movement of each individual, which takes space.

Im not saying for single player adventures it'd be a problem, but multiple players, you'd have to have some space.

And right, cause moving solves everything. :P

redHouse

@DunnCarnage: sometimes you just can't help it !!

Sebatsu

ipitydatfu

@trunkenmath: The show they're watching is The Guild, which is very much about gamers. (www.watchtheguild.com)

faithx5

@The Undreamer: Daddy thinks it's stupid.

Daddy may be right.

@Sebatsu: I love the hatred laced into that statement.

I don't know about you guys, but I need to feel a controller in my hands.

kotakuchao999

OK I like the dance game. Now make it not boring and Elite Beat Agents.

And 3 player co-op.

And awesome.

@HK-47: Oh, definitely. that was about the point I hit stop as well...

StevenRafael

I had almost completely lost interest in Natal, then I saw this commercial which has Felicia Day, and suddenly my interest is piqued again.

Then I realized I can watch the Guild online anytime I want, with or without Natal, and my interest waned again.

Damn you internet, for getting me excited over nothing!! :'(

Sam-urai

i don't like where this is going

xxjordisxx

Kinect? Hmmm kind of a stupid name, not that Natal was any better.

@Gunstarlegends: I think you misread my post? I said I wish they could have remained the only "console" (not "company") concentrate on "real" games (not just games in general).

"Real" was my sarcastic way of saying "non-motion controlled" and when I said "only" I meant that referring to Sony's Move and Nintendo's Wii...

@041744: Hmmm. That's what people said about the DS stylus/iPhone touch screens originally. "All you can do is poke at it and drag your fingers." Yet they somehow manage to get a lot of use out of them, no?

That was about the gayest thing I've ever seen. what was with the teenage boy?

Flionheart

Woot!!

Wii sports in HD!!!

And in other news, everyone who complained that the Wii required too much movement, can happily not buy Kinect

trickybuz93

@doogfood: Yeah, that is the plan...pretty sure it will work too. People have to remember that this isn't necessarily intended for "us."

It's not like "we" were waiting for the Natal/Kenetic. Everyone of us "core" gamers already have a 360 if all we want for it are game. This is intended for the Wii market of families who want something a little more. You and I might not like it, but hey, can't knock M$ for trying to broaden its userbase. Same thing for Sony.

No way in hell I'm running in place. Been there. Done that.

Booji-Boy

Needs a rumble pack!!!

littlegreycat

That last family, the one whose collective glued to some drek on the TV, is eerie. It's like they've already drunk the poisoned Kool-Aid and are just waiting to slip into peaceful oblivion.

But I dig the remote-less video controls the most.

MrGOH

@Gunstarlegends: E3 is not for parents. It's a show the ESA puts together to promote the wares of its members to the media. The media will then turn it into stories for their respective outlets. You will see E3 on the local news and cable networks as well as print. That is how the non-gamer parents are going to learn about it.

what a revolution !!!!!....

Sebatsu

Daddy isn't playing it.

I'd promote your comment but alas I don't have a star :(

Penishead80

@8thR, Pun-dit: Perhaps that's the reverse of lag? 0_0 My God they were right! This thing surpasses the Wii's motionplus!

Penishead80

You know what makes me laugh? The fact that Microsoft took a stab at Nintendo last E3 by making a comment about waggle.. And this is supposed to be better how? I'd rather waggle my wiimote (hey mind out of the gutter) than look like an idiot

Penishead80

@bassrocker521: I'm rich, remember ? I dont need to know how to spell foreign words :)

reginald

@pandafresh: GASP! people have been saying that from day one :|

Brock Doshier

In the streets of pain, St Jimmy comes without any shame, he says we're F*** and we're not the same, mom and dad are the ones you can blame.

@EyeR8: Well, I actually play the Wii with my family. :/

Ratfuzz

Mom and dad? Check

Casual games? Check

Mom and dad playing casual games and looking like idiots? Check

Thank you Microsoft

Penishead80

Wow, Mom really has gotten lazy. You don't even need a controller and she's too lazy to fast forward the movie.

This is going to really suck for trying to watch movies when there are jackass kids in the room that think it's funny to keep pausing and fastforwarding and rewinding the movie while you are trying to watch it.

ceilingFANBOY

@BlindWolf8:

Simple, because this audience has money and the price of the system actually isn't as much of a factor as much as whether or not it's magically cool.

If you asked me if the Wii was priced right I'd say it was super expensive considering it is just a hardware refresh of the GameCube - especially considering a 360 core is now $199.

That doesn't stop people from buying the Wii. So you can only argue over price and value if you understand the market - which clearly, the average hardcore gamers does not understand this market.

And as we know, anything people don't understand they tend to dislike.

Also, the vast majority of the human population does not play video games. That includes just the US too. What you are likely referring to is that Nintendo's push into the market has slowed - or maybe they have gone as far as they can go - or aren't trying hard enough.

All Kinect is, is Microsoft's push into the same market - which has tons of potential.

ginazninja

@robertfoster: Yeah, she should have said "you fail Mom, you're such a noob. L2P."

Opuelas

You and your friends can now look even stupider than before :D

Let's Kinect guys ;)

@ipitydatfu: I lol'd. :D

notrock

Notice how everyone had to be still for the Minority Report effect to be shown...now imagine people fidgeting in front of the TV and all the chaos that could cause!!!!! :)

mrryu

Bungee Buddies, anyone?

Dr.Peace

"Not only do we Kinect with the game but we Kinect with each other"

Baaaaaw!

Anarkiwi

@xxjordisxx: It's a Wii without a controller. :(

@ipitydatfu: Well played.

That made me literally LOL.

Anarkiwi