Are You Ready For Another Mirror's Edge Game? DICE Thinks So...

Mirror's Edge — I can't think of many games I loved and hated in such equal measure. It had incredible highs and some bloody frustrating lows, but DICE has heard calls for a sequel and thinks that "people are ready" for Mirror's Edge 2.

"I think it's something that people are ready to get into again," claimed DICE producer Patrick Liu.

"We see that there's a huge fan following, it's almost like a cult! And we know what strengths we had, and what weaknesses we had in that game. If we were to release a new game, we'd know what to improve and how to reach a broader audience. So I definitely think there's a market there."

There's no clear indication that the game is even in development, or pre-production for that matter, but it's encouraging to hear DICE talk about the original so fondly. Despite the game's issues, it was one of the most forward looking games of this generation. Personally, I'd love to see a sequel.

DICE: Gamers Are Ready For Mirror's Edge 2 [Spong]


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    at least this will be one title DICE won't screw up.

    "...we’d know what to improve and how to reach a broader audience."

    I'm now worried. That's the last thing you want to do with a game like this. Anyone for Nerfed Edge 2?

      Exactly what i thought.

      To me, these days when a developer mentions a title is "more accesible" "is designed for a broader audience" or "ACTION" it tends to mean the game has been "dumbed down" or at the very least, the core of what made the original game popular was removed in an attempt to make more money.

      What's concerning is that these companies are alienating their original fans by producing something that isn't a true sequel, turns it into something that feels like something else entirely.
      A perfect example would be Dragon Age 2. Th original hit a very specific (and substantially large) and neglected market and they made a truckload of money off it. By making a game that catered for a MARKET, a demographic or a specific type of gamer. With DA2 they went for the "Action+Accessibility+Broader Audience" approach and lost alot of their original fans in the process, because instead of making a game for the market they had, attempting to improve it and drawn new customers into THAT fold, they instead changed the fundamentals of what made DA:O what it was and Bioware has spent money and time trying to "fix the game" since it's release while still trying to appeal to more markets than that type of game should.

      We have Genre's for a reason, not every game should be geared towards everyone. It's a basic principle of business...KNOW YOUR TARGET AUDIENCE and cater a product towards them.

    I just hope that they have better cut scenes this time 'round.

      Haters gonna hate :P

      I actually liked them. They both did and didn't fit in with the games' aesthetic.

        I loved them too. They were beautifully animated and designed. Just like the rest of the game.

          I don't know about you guys, but I'm trying to play videogames here. Might I suggest you guys invest in a Blockbuster membership if you are looking for a more passive form of entertainment.

            Love how people express their opinions about what they like/dislike in a video game and for no reason, someone feels the need to be a smartass and attempt to invalidate someone else's opinion with a subtle "my opinion is right idiot" remark.

            Sigh....let people enjoy what they enjoy,

              I'd rather bluntly express my disdain at anyone who champions elements of design that are of detriment to the medium.

              Especially when that medium is continually failing to realise it's potential, and turning into some bastard mutation of books and films.

              It's cathartic.

    I know the appeal is in the first person running, but sometimes it can be incredibly tedious when you can't actually turn the camera to get a proper view and you have to jump blind sometimes.

    Personally I'd like to see options for 3rd person view, so at least there's an option, not forced 3rd person perspective for everyone.

    I only just realised that people hated the cut-scenes. I liked them. I thought everyone hated the lack of content - I finished it in 2 and 47 minutes. Ridiculously short and way over priced at full retail. It should have been under $20 AUD (I paid $2 on sale by the way, so I wasn't expecting much).

      That said, I want a sequel, it just needs to be priced as an Indie game consistent with its content.

      I picked it up for $8 on 360, and then on Steam for $2.50.

      Can't remember how long my playthrough took me, but it was only like 4 hours.

      Play the time trials! Super-addictive trying to find the shortest way through the obstacle course. Then once you think you've worked it out, watch the top ranked ghosts and realise that you're crap, and spend ages all over again trying to pull off the crazy moves they did.

      Don't play the full level time trials though. Ridiculously punishing.

        I played both the regular and full level time trials.

        The full level time trials were punishing, but damn it felt good when you achieved it. I generally went pretty well with most of them, except for two levels which I replayed again, and again, and again, (... and again x 20) before I finally reached the goal time. What an achievement, though! I've never felt more satisfied at achieving something of no consequence whatsoever, except maybe the admiration of my peers.

        I found most of the top rated time trial runs seemed to be using that bunny hop glitch that let them instantly go from standing to full sprint speed.

        If you don't plan on glitching, you'd have no chance of keeping up with those runs.

          I didn't even know about that! The thing amazed me though was not the final times, which I knew I was never really competing with, but rather the routes that they took. And after you watch it a few times, you realise that "hey, I can pull that off"... 50 tries later you have it down pat and blitz the par scores (even if you're not figuring on the overall boards).

          Might have to return to give the full level runs another go, too.

            It was certainly interesting to see how other people made their way through the time trials.

            As for the glitch, it was pretty easy to see if it was being used: if you see the person jump on the spot while turning about 90 degrees and then start running, they were using the glitch.

      I actually wish more games were that short. But I totally understand people wanting a price reduction to go along with that.

    Ok, I'm really looking forward to this. I loved the first Mirror's Edge (haters gonna hate).

    "And we know what strengths we had, and what weaknesses we had in that game."

    So they realise now that, while revolutionary and cool and whatnot, that first-person platforming is not a viable play style? Unless of course they invent virtual reality content that gives me a sense of kinesthesia, because otherwise it just doesn't work properly.

      Mirrors edge would suck in third person

        Yep.
        Making it third person would lose all its charm for one.

        It's the only game of its kind, I say leave it be and just work on refining it rather than changing it completely.

      Is all this complaining about first person platforming because you bought it on a console? Because I have it on PC and I loved it for its first person platforming. It was probably one of the most immersive games I've ever owned. I actually leaned forward when I was making a jump which I thought wouldn't make it, as well as leaning left and right when I turned.

        I had it on console(PS3) and loved the first person view. I don't look at my feet when I make a running jump, so look forward and use object markers(like a vent shaft or another building) to judge distance. Did the same thing in mirrors edge. Third personing the game would loose all of the charm.

        Of course, I'm one of those weirdos who thinks the biggest downer in the first game was the inclusion of guns, so I'm probably in need of meds.

          No you were right - that was the biggest downer - just drop the guns altogether make it about the running.

          It was a game I loved to show my kids because it was truly original - but then you had these jarringly violent sections where you had to unload a machine gun on a SWAT team just to get through.

          Look at Ass Creed - they kept what was fun (the climbing, the sword fighting) and cut out what was not fun (the Flags, the slow walking, the eavesdropping)

          Keep the running (even the controls were good, make the hand to hand fighting better and drop the gun play)

          Oh and have actual Multiplayer real time races!

          Nah the guns were the best part of the first game, they were everywhere and you could pick one up whenever there was a challenging area. The most fun I had in the game was when I realised that I could pick up that rifle and kill everyone but I'm not GOING to!

            I went through the game without shooting anyone at all (sure, for a trophy but I typically counter and drop the gun anyway). It's a LOT more fun that way. Want a shooter? Play a shooter.

      There's a reason it sucks, and it's because 'first person' projection is not anywhere near what we actually would see in a real first person perspective. Effectively you're trapped in a fridge box, and there's a panel cut out at your eye level that you can see through. Good write up on the problem here:
      http://designreboot.blogspot.com/2009/03/refrigerator-box.html

        They put a lot of effort into actually making it feel like you were in Faith's body. Lots of subtle little things like bringing the cityscape into focus after having something blocking your vision (so giving you a second to have your eyes adjust), slight movement of the camera that matched the swaying that people have when they're running and the scrambling of limbs.

        In terms of trying to really make it seem like a first person perspective, Mirror's Edge is actually one of the better games out there. Most games it does feel like you're in a refrigerator box (I like to think of it as being a floating head), but I don't think that was necessarily a problem here.

        Yes, it wasn't perfect, but it was a damned sight better than most games in that regard.

          Have to agree. First person perspective in Mirror's Edge is done quite well. Well, I felt it was natural and very playable. Top job by Dice.

      The problems with the game did not come from it being a first person platformer. The problems were a result of awkward combat sections, some level design that ran counter to the main mechanic of the game (which was all about maintaining momentum) and the cutscenes being such a drastic visual change from the main game engine.

      Why did so many people have so much trouble with something as simple as figuring out where their feet were in relation to their goddamn bodies from a first person view?

      Do you not know how to walk in real life? Are you constantly stumbling off gutters because you haven't gotten used to where ground is once it moves out of your peripheral? Do you take a tentative step, or stare at the floor, every time you go down stairs?

      God seriously it was NOT DIFFICULT TO GET USED TO.

    Will the Japanese be complaining that the main character doesn't look like a 12 year old with triple D breasts for the sequel?

    Mirror Edge sequel running on Frostbite 2 engine could be very, very interesting. Parkour over destructible environments!!

    It did have some pretty big problems in gameplay design but it was different and unique which kept me coming back.

    Take out the gunplay. All of it. Enhance the hand to hand somehow, make it more fluid and complex. The gunplay defeated the purpose of the game. It doesn't need it. Hell, have throwing bolas or something to tie them up but dont make the hero a killer :\ even a taser would be ok.

      Agreed. Murder doesn't fit at all with what this game was about. I don't have a problem mowing down people in other shooters, but the gunplay was completely at odds with the rest of the game. Hand to hand combat would be welcome if they could pull it off.

      ive seen some of the very very very early footage before they even had any textures and they implemented handguns that you could use as you were running and climbing etc was really quick and fast and worked well. it was the way they implemented weapons that didnt work. by making you have to slow down they ruined it. if like the early footage you could keep moving etc it would work. maybe something like throwing knives would work.

      Hand to hand was defs in need of some further development though.

    I haven't played the first one yet, due to my refusal to buy it while it still has online activations required.

    It's a pity, looks like a decent game!

    Nice to see big-name developers thinking of returning to a somewhat unique game though.

    Am I ready for ME2? Well No. Simply because the first one won't even start for me even after viewing numerous support threads on the Steam forums.

      While I appreciate the need to abbreviate ME2 is an incredibly confusing choice. For a start ME2 was released ages ago...

    Hope they drop the guns completely... absolutely ruined the experience for me.

      It makes logical sense to include limited access to guns. Your opponents use them, after all, and you are taking them down. If you were in the same situation, wouldn't you sneak in the use of a "borrowed" gun?

      It's up to you how you play it. If you don't like guns, then don't use them. They shouldn't be taken away from the game, because that's taking away choice from the game.

        Sure, you have a "choice" not to use them, but certain sections of the game are incredibly difficult if you don't. I didn't want to use them (Faith & co think they're the "good guys", so obviously they wouldn't shoot people) and quit the game in frustration because I couldn't get past a point in it without using guns (every guide said the same thing- "shoot these guards and move on").

          Fair enough. It's a good point. Dice should have catered to a parkour/hand-to-hand solution a little more in some levels.

          They still shouldn't cut out guns completely. Removing that choice would break the realism of the situation. Cue frustrated gamer shouts of "Bloody hell. There's a gun there! Why can't she pick it up and use it?! What a stupid game."

    I never get the 'take out the guns' style comments.

    I never once fired a gun in the entire game, except to shoot out the glass and server computers on the final level. (I was going for the 'no shoot people' achievement).

    The guns were made purposefully awkward to use in order to encourage people to disarm and use hand to hand. But they were there if you really needed them.

      I don't think it was the guns that made a difference. I played through it twice, the first time to get the Keeping the Faith achievement and the second time some years later for a review.

      Without the guns, there are forced hand to hand combat sections (or at the least sections where only really experienced/lucky players can get by without resorting to combat of any sort) which downright sucked. Basically, there were sections that felt designed for shooting your way through, even if it was possible to do it without the guns.

      It wasn't the guns that were the problem, it was the combat in general. Running away should have been a more viable option, with clearer escape routes. After all, Faith is a runner. When it comes to fight or flight, her choice should be obvious.

    Oooh yes please DICE! Hurry the hell up and don't screw it up, remember the difference from the average crap was the real draw in the game

    "If we were to release a new game, we’d know ... how to reach a broader audience."

    Why does this make me think that this means we'll spend the whole game staring down the barrel of a rifle?

    I thought Mirror's Edge 2 got cancelled?!?!??!

    Please please please please release a sequel DICE! I played the first one so freaken' many times and I'm not quite sure what people are talking about when they talk about glitches or clumsy controls cause I noticed barely any glitches and the game just flowed so well for me.

    It's actually the first time I'd say being in first person really helped immerse me in a game. Just... It was so different and even if there were faults it worked so well. After playing it completely through over 15 times (not counting speed runs and DLC) I think it's perfectly fair to say it was a pretty polished game. At least that's what I saw/felt/experienced.

      To add a few more points...

      Would love to see the parkour expanded a bit more. Some quick-thought ideas here for expansion but: Cat passes/Kongs/Saut de Chat, Precision jumps, Bar assisted turns (like you've jumped and grabbed onto a vertical pole and your momentum turns you round quickly).

      Obviously expanded close combat would be fantastic. I don't agree with the removal of guns thing though, you could get through a lot of the game without killing anyone if you really wanted. Some bits were hard though and after a lot of attempts to get through using speed and agility alone it really is satisfying to knee a Heavy in the face and mow down his comrades, before disappearing over the rooftops/into the ducts/into the sewers/wherever else.

      Oh and you HAVE to bring back Solar Fields for the soundtrack or someone equally as amazing. That soundtrack was SO AMAZING and just complemented the action PERFECTLY.

    i think mirrors edge was a fantastic idea, and i liked the game, but i can see why others didn't like it.

    my main advice to dice is, DO NOT PUT 3/4 OF THE GAME INSIDE BUILDINGS, I I LOVED JUMPING FROM BUILDING TO BUILDING, NOT CRAWLING THROUGH SMALL AREAS WERE IF I JUMP MY HEAD HITS THE CEILING!

    Hell yes, i'd like to see a step up in the same way Portal 2 had done on the first one.
    I loved the way they animated the cut scenes, if you're going to cut out any flow then might as well make it look good.
    Just thinking about all those scenes i had to re-do over and over again, ARGH. Running away from men with guns. gotta play it again soon if i can put down elder scrolls.

    The world was a bit too empty for me. I think I'd like to run through crowds, talk to more contacts in person and have more varied missions. I loved the first person perspective, though, and the adrenaline rush you got when you ran across the roof tops.

      Y'know, that would be an excellent addition to the game. Weaving in and out of moving people, crowds, the dynamic of managing crowd movement especially if they're fleeing because of armed guards shooting behind you. It's sort of Assassin's Creed in a way, but if a running/fleeing crowd was done well, it could be a winner.

      Gotta agree this'd be some great ways to expand the game concept. I can imagine ducking and weaving through a crowd trying not to get tripped up and run into someone. Or even after a long section of parkour action open up into a big plaza full of people and have to go from flat out running to blending into a thick crowd to get away or something like that.

      You know - there are loads and loads of absolutely gorgeous but completely empty video game worlds out there, and ME is the epitome.

      I was hyped up and rolled up over in the build up to ME, but found the game: had really bad dialogue (made me cringe the whole way through the game), the world was empty of people, the cut scenes were not bad but suffered from the dialogue, the story was weak, pointlessly frustrating - why on earth would there be whole armies and helicoptors on the roofs and keeping pace? belief not suspended.

      as an adventure/tactics game with the OCCASIONAL bad guy to disarm and beat up it would be much improved.

    I'm up for it

    And we know what strengths we had, and what weaknesses we had in that game. If we were to release a new game, we’d know what to improve and how to reach a broader audience.

    That's how you cure Assassin's Creed syndrome. But it only works if they worked out exactly what was and was not working. Only time will tell, but I can guarantee that I will buy this game if it does come out.

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