The Problem With Women’s Armour, According To A Man Who Makes Armour

Ryan, aka “Jabberwock” makes armour. He therefore knows more about armour than I do. He’s noticed, as you might have, that the armour that some female characters wear in video games, comics and movies is ridiculous. Some of it is not.

Well, what can he tell us about ladies’ armour, both the real kind and the glorified tinsel that we see in some of the world’s most popular fantasy fiction?

One lesson: we should barely be able to tell the difference between the shape of functional men’s armour and functional women’s armour.

Plate armour is the way it is largely out of necessity. The layout and articulations of the plates are the best solutions the designers could come up with to balance mobility with protection. Also, note that nobody was naked under their armour. There was a tonne of padding between the metal and the flesh that absorbed the energy of the blows. That means the difference between male and female plate armour is relatively trivial because once you’ve padded it out and left space for movement, you’ve all but erased the figure of the person inside.

Another lesson: the so-called boob plate can be made (Ryan made the one pictured here), but it would be dangerous to wear in battle.

That there, that is a boob plate. I made that one. The woman in the photo asked for it to be like that. She fights in it. I worry constantly that she’s going to fall hard and it will crack her sternum, even with the padding. Note also that it seems almost perfectly designed to guide sword points and arrows into her heart. They still have to penetrate the armour but, honestly, that’s a design flaw. However, it looks good and makes her feel sexy and bad-arse at the same time. That’s important too.

Ryan has good things to say about the armour designed for female characters in Mass Effect games, but less complimentary things to say about the armour in, say, World of Warcraft, pictured at the top of this post.

I’ve never made a suit of armour. I’m trusting this guy.

Fantasy armour and Lady Bits [Mad Art Lab, via Twitter]

Discuss

(57 Comments)
  • [–]

    Femto

    Saturday, December 17, 2011 at 10:56 AM

    Why is there a bunch of bananas next to the spread eagle night elf?

    • [–]

      Zac

      Saturday, December 17, 2011 at 11:56 AM

      If I told you, you would want a video

    • [–]

      zwonker

      Saturday, December 17, 2011 at 12:02 PM

      simple, unicorns poop rainbows, white tigers poop bananas.

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      Luis

      Saturday, December 17, 2011 at 2:45 PM

      Phallic symbolism. I hope this isn’t an official Blizzard work, it is shameful.

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        warcroft

        Saturday, December 17, 2011 at 3:27 PM

        No, not official Blizz artwork. its by a guy over at Deviant Art (name escapes me) but his WoW images (although naughty) are spectacular!

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          Luis

          Saturday, December 17, 2011 at 4:49 PM

          I’m gonna learn how to draw and then objectify the crap out of men. See how people like that :P

          • [–]

            Hyperthx

            Saturday, December 17, 2011 at 6:01 PM

            Awesome, go for it, and no…

          • [–]

            Alex

            Saturday, December 17, 2011 at 6:24 PM

            http://icttw.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/treasonofimagesshadow.jpg

          • [–]

            Gorzilla

            Saturday, December 17, 2011 at 6:38 PM

            Wait, you think pictures objectifying men don’t exist? You do realise you’re on the internet right? google is your friend.

            • [–]

              Alex

              Saturday, December 17, 2011 at 6:43 PM

              They call it DEVIANTart for a reason.

          • [–]

            Ahtaps

            Saturday, December 17, 2011 at 8:10 PM

            Obviously you’ve never been on DeviantArt and seen the slashfic/yaoi/fangirl renderings of male characters.

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            Slaughtermatic Lover

            Saturday, December 17, 2011 at 10:29 PM

            Here is your medicine:

            http://doubleleaf.deviantart.com/gallery/24250303#/d4gih4e

            Her work really is quite spectacular, though. Beautiful colouring.

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    Joshy206

    Saturday, December 17, 2011 at 11:00 AM

    It’s a fantastic article that brings up some incredibly logical points on the matter. Even if you’re sick of reading these things, it’s worth reading this one.

    • [–]

      Steve

      Saturday, December 17, 2011 at 4:10 PM

      I had a laugh about this with someone who’s part of the Creative Anachronists Society at USYD (kind of like a role play/LARP society) a while back, who design and make their own armour. The whole ‘literal breast plate’ thing is laughable, because it doesn’t take a genius to see that if someone slashed at it, the metal boob cups will conveniently guide the blade directly into sternum

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    Zythrone

    Saturday, December 17, 2011 at 11:05 AM

    I actually was linked this by someone yesterday…

    He brings up some good points…

    But you still have to remember that they are just games… and if the developer says it protects them, then it protects them… even if it shouldn’t.

    • [–]

      El Kapitan

      Monday, December 19, 2011 at 11:28 AM

      Yeah, I did notice the good ‘points’ too. We’re talking about the same thing, right?*

      *That thing is boobs.

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    Dire Wolf

    Saturday, December 17, 2011 at 11:08 AM

    I think my favourite game when it comes to female armour design would have the be Dragon Age Origins. When my tank specced human female warrior put on a full set of plate armour it looked the same as when it was on a male character. It covered her completely and wasn’t form fitting. It was awesome. Mass Effect and Skyrim also do a good job with female armour.

    • [–]

      dainbramage

      Saturday, December 17, 2011 at 11:58 AM

      I do remember one of the leather armours in DAO being pretty much a bikini on females though (and normal-looking on males).

    • [–]

      Talendra

      Tuesday, December 20, 2011 at 4:31 AM

      Mine is by far Demon’s Souls, I love the armour in that. Particularly the Knights starting armour.

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    Korwin

    Saturday, December 17, 2011 at 11:30 AM

    Are you sure the WoW picture isn’t pulled from DeviantART?…

    Seriously that’s about as suggestive as you can get.

    • [–]

      weresmurf

      Saturday, December 17, 2011 at 2:08 PM

      You just *know* the artist drew that as a XXX picture to begin with and added the armour later…

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    EmbraceThePing

    Saturday, December 17, 2011 at 11:58 AM

    I guess this is like the difference between cotton tails and lingerie.
    Women wear skyrim armour when they are going to kick some arse. They wear wow armour when they want to get some arse.

  • [–]

    Debs

    Saturday, December 17, 2011 at 12:01 PM

    D’awww, the link says the account is suspended. And I really wanted to read what he had to say!

  • [–]

    Seegrey

    Saturday, December 17, 2011 at 12:01 PM

    I would like to read this article but it says the page is suspended.

    What’s said here matches with what I know from my admittedly brief time sword fighting, though. I’d still ditch the plate for anything but large scale battle for something lighter – not getting hit is a lot better than getting hit a little less, and plate isn’t going to do much against the stuff you fight in mmo’s.

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    Neo-Kaiser

    Saturday, December 17, 2011 at 12:02 PM

    One problem I have is that not all women have double D breasts.

    • [–]

      Shane

      Saturday, December 17, 2011 at 12:50 PM

      Lots of guys have that problem with women :s

  • [–]

    N7 jpicard

    Saturday, December 17, 2011 at 12:10 PM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTGh0EMmMC8

    This ^

  • [–]

    Supreme

    Saturday, December 17, 2011 at 12:43 PM

    Yes because in a world of Magic, Elves and Beasts with 3 heads the 1 flaw was the armor on the characters.

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      weresmurf

      Saturday, December 17, 2011 at 2:12 PM

      In that world of magic, Elves and beasts if that armour isn’t protecting said Elves from the magic and the beasts, then yes, it is the problem.

      • [–]

        twelvedogs

        Saturday, December 17, 2011 at 2:40 PM

        it’s magic armor that boosts your strength, intelligence, health etc. seems pretty logical it just magically protects you from blows as well.

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          Thom

          Saturday, December 17, 2011 at 8:09 PM

          Then why is it made of cumbersome metal when you can just enchant fabric?

          Man I love debates like this?

          • [–]

            Snacuum

            Saturday, December 17, 2011 at 11:05 PM

            I sure do enjoy donuts?

            • [–]

              Michael

              Sunday, December 18, 2011 at 11:25 AM

              Because of class restrictions… duh

              The armour comes with stats (agility,str etc) and if you look up the top it also comes with a magic armour rating, so It doesn’t matter how impractical the armour looks it still has a magical armour rating. :P

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      Merus

      Saturday, December 17, 2011 at 7:59 PM

      It’s not a case of suspension of disbelief, it’s a case of internal consistency. By the rules of the world, heavier armour provides more protection, and so female armour provides less protection. By the rules of the world, elves, dragons and beasts exist.

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    Wil

    Saturday, December 17, 2011 at 12:49 PM

    Hehe reminds me of this one.
    http://penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/12/03

    • [–]

      Aidan

      Saturday, December 17, 2011 at 1:46 PM

      None of the images seem to work :c

  • [–]

    CyK

    Saturday, December 17, 2011 at 1:26 PM

    If he likes Mass Effect female armour, he’ll have the shits when he finishes Metroid.

  • [–]

    Jordaan

    Saturday, December 17, 2011 at 1:34 PM

    It’s still okay to equip woman with Broad Swords, right?

  • [–]

    Filby

    Saturday, December 17, 2011 at 1:52 PM

    Should have talked about Saber’s armour.

  • [–]

    DogMan

    Saturday, December 17, 2011 at 2:03 PM

    Could be worse. Druid tanks fight naked.

    • [–]

      Virus__

      Saturday, December 17, 2011 at 2:24 PM

      Same with Druid Cats D:

    • [–]

      Yoshi

      Saturday, December 17, 2011 at 10:00 PM

      I wish my Draenei could fight naked…

  • [–]

    pew pew

    Saturday, December 17, 2011 at 4:48 PM

    Lets nitpick about armour because elves and magic and talking trees are pretty realistic.

    • [–]

      Hyperthx

      Saturday, December 17, 2011 at 6:03 PM

      Oxygen is invisible.

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    rikku45

    Saturday, December 17, 2011 at 8:08 PM

    Sex sells, that’s reason enough

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    Ahtaps

    Saturday, December 17, 2011 at 8:18 PM

    This is one of the things I’m liking about Dark Souls. The armour remains practical no matter which sex picks it up.

    I imagine the same problems exist for the male equivalent of body sculpted armour. The crevices and edges around the pectoral muscles and abdonimals would be a sword catcher, rather than helping it glance off like a proper breastplate.

    But no one ever complains about males being objectified…

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    Underworld

    Saturday, December 17, 2011 at 10:20 PM

    Obviously that sort of armor isn’t practical, but it’s a game. I don’t mind when female characters wear proper armor or the sexy armor :D Men are sexualized in games too.

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      Jeremy

      Sunday, December 18, 2011 at 12:58 AM

      Examples please?? I hear this a lot, though I think it’s usually people thinking muscles and bare chests are ‘objectification’ which is incorrect.

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        FitzBatman

        Sunday, December 18, 2011 at 2:13 AM

        Yes they are. Maybe not in an overly extreme way, but they still are. Does it make it wrong to do it? Of course not. Same as skimpy clothes on ladies isn’t wrong in context. It’s the ‘in context’ part that people screw up.

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          Jeremy

          Sunday, December 18, 2011 at 8:50 PM

          No, because the hulking muscles and bare chest is part of a power fantasy. Men aren’t being objectified, they’re playing an avatar that men want to be, not one that women want to sleep with.

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            StudiodeKadent

            Monday, December 19, 2011 at 12:07 AM

            So by “objectification” you’re exclusively talking about sexual objectification?

            Question: why is it degrading to focus on a person’s sexual nature? To portray them as a sexual creature?

            We’re members of a species that reproduces sexually. Sexuality is part of our nature.

            Why is it, for example, more degrading to focus on a specific person’s sexual nature than to focus on any other attribute of a person?

            Female characters being made into sexual fantasies for men is no more “objectification” than male characters being made into power fantasies for men.

            And that said, if you really think all those buff dudes in video games and comics AREN’T sex objects for women, you REALLY don’t hang around that many women. There are PLENTY of women that find a whole panopoly of various male fictional characters to be sexually attractive. These men are just the OBJECTS of a woman’s sexual desire.

            I simply don’t see what is wrong with either a man or woman perceiving any specific person as a “sex object” (i.e. object of sexual desire). Now, IF you mean something more extreme, like “a being that exists EXCLUSIVELY as a means to the satisfaction of my sexual desires” then you have a point, but I don’t think that when someone sees someone they consider hot, they suddenly think “this being doesn’t really have a conscience or anything, they’re just a glob of matter that can give me sexual gratification.”

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        Nuclear Pi

        Sunday, December 18, 2011 at 3:12 PM

        Do you know how much effort it takes to get a body like that? Isn’t the promotion of such unrealistic standards a core part of objectification?

      • [–]

        yrrnn

        Sunday, December 18, 2011 at 3:23 PM

        You said it. Men and women are objectified differently, because they are different.

        Skimpy women and hulking men. That’s how it works. And honestly I prefer it that way to skimpy men and hulking women.

  • [–]

    Slaughtermatic Lover

    Saturday, December 17, 2011 at 10:26 PM

    What’s wrong with the armour in the WoW pic? I get around in that kind of thing all the time, it’s totally practical.

  • [–]

    Benjamin

    Sunday, December 18, 2011 at 6:14 PM

    ‘Neckbeard LARPer Talk 8D

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    High WarLord Thrall

    Thursday, April 12, 2012 at 6:21 PM

    The Night elf in the picture is Sylvanas Windrunner from wow before the Lich King killed her and turned her into a banshee queen, the cat beside her was her pet, as she was a ranger general hunter, the cat was actually a druid, who was cursed never to take human form again, was Sylvanas’s most loyal companion, although not confirmed with Blizzard. And yes, Sylvanas was a beautiful Night Elf before she died, and so was her cat.

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