How ironic my name and that I've only really liked monopoly... haha.

Anyway I do think that games are better than boardgames because often the sort of person you play with can annoy you. But online its a quick Mute button away, and if the person virtually tips the board over in anger and quits, most games will punish them for doing so.

Plus how else can I play my cousin who lives in Texas whilst I'm in the UK? Over the phone?

Also a videogame is more intelligent. For example, play Trivial Pursuit and theres a high chance that someone will get a load of easy cards and the others hard cards (the questions arent balanced IMHO). But a computer can do random AND sort out the cards, etc. do w.e. it has been programmed to do.

TBH the board game genre SHOULD be dead. There will be something eventually that will beat the videogames but for now it is a worth winner.

Communist_Gamer

@Strangelove: Clearly, you have never played Risk.

KirbyMorph

"videogames ... always have the same result"

Unless, of course, you're talking about games like Oblivion, Sim City, S.T.A.L.K.E.R., or any other game with an open-ended or user-created environment. The only board game I've ever liked was Monopoly.

Strangelove

Board games are soooo good. Settlers of Catan, carcassone, puerto rico, etc... I think though I love video games, the experience of a board game is just so different and fun.

walrusbrown

This reminds me of a "halo 3 lan" a few days after Halo 3 was released.. we aimed to lan it up on halo 3 all night and ended up getting bored like 1 hour later and started playing monopoly for the rest of the night

Needless to say, i won.

hamandcheeseUK

Rock Band.

boopadoo

I too am in the, "I like both mediums," dept.

Nothing wrong with a group of buddies cussing and swearing over some intense MarioKart, Ghost Recon, or some Halo. Many a good times.

However, I am currently re-experiencing just how fun some board games really are. A really good company named Fantasy Flight makes some insanely crazy board games, especially for those that are fans of video games. Warcraft the Board Game, Tannhauser, Starcraft the Board Game, and Descent are just a few of my favorites printed by them.

If you have taken a long hiatus from board gaming, it's time to go to your local nerd store and try out some of the newer games out there. The experience is quite different from video gaming all night, however have the same mechanics of some of your video game favs.

Keeko_ca

I'm quite a fan of board games. And usually get a game of something in at least once or twice a week. I probably play more board games than computer games.

Although I find that board games based on computer games tend to invariably be bad. Doom and WoW were equally terribly board games.

Although Starcraft seems to be the exception to this rule.

CyRevenant

I like when the two combine, such as Scene It. It's a board game and a video game. I think there is a lot of untapped potential in these types of crossovers. Eye of Judgment is another good example.

Smash_Bro

wow has a board game.. only prob is the servers are always down lol ;)

Gekyo

@cynopt:
Egregiously Rhetorical Addendum:

When the hell are we going to see some Steve Jackson games go digital?

When, God?

WHEEEEEEEEEN???

cynopt

Risk is awesome. About a year or so ago, one of my friends brought over his brand-spanking-new Xbox 360. We eventually got bored since he only brought Oblivion and had a few demos.

Then we played Risk for 6 hours with another friend.

Then another time, we had a 4-player Risk battle. It ended in two hours after one of us threw the board at the wall.

I love when that happens. :D

RPharazonius

I have a special spot in my shriveled little blood-sac for tabletop games; the collector whore in me lives for little cards and figures and expansions and so on, while the part that can charitably called "Hu-man" loves the social elements.

Digital versions are nice (Carcassone being a damn fine example) but there's no substitute for a half dozen gamers drunkenly lawyering over the rules.

cynopt

@t3hye11owdart: I love Risk. It is awesome.

I must say that I can't entirely agree on the static nature of video games. Sure they say it's "always the same," but it really depends on the multiplayer nature of a game. Take, for instance, a sports game like the Madden series. Playing against players online provides a different experience every time you play.

Of course, it is limited, and in the end board games can be more dynamic like Go. I love Go.

What gets me is the piss-poor board game to video game adaptations. I just played Clue/Mouse Trap/Perfection/Nutsuck on DS, huge disappointment. I expected better note taking capabilities for Clue, but no dice.

And it's sad, because I'm finding the only good portable card/board game adaptations are clubhouse games for ds and ultimate card games for gba. You'd think that a developer would come along and actually spend some time making a QUALITY adaptation. Fuck you, Hasbro. Uggh.

indiemike

Why would kids - beings with the attention span of a gnat, ever subject themselves to such utter torture? Perhaps I'm exaggerating just a little, but the point remains: board games are on the verge of irrelevance.

choirovwolves

And in case anybody is curious, check out brettspielwelt.com

eponym

I still have the old Mario board game. Does this mean I get the best of both worlds?

metadae

I absolutely love good strategy board games. I probably spend as much money on them as I do video games. But I will concede that for some of them I prefer to play digital versions. But that's only because it takes away some of the tediousness like bookkeeping actions (money matters, score keeping etc) which makes the game go faster. And it prevents mistakes from changing the outcome of the game.

So yeah, beer + board game + friends == great time.

eponym

Risk is the best game of any type ever. 'Nough said.

t3hye11owdart

I love playing board and card games about as much as I like playing video games. I wouldn't say one or the other is better - both provide excellent enjoyment experiences.

Interestingly, I've introduced my friends to AoE III: the board game. Most of them like it better than the actual game, if that says something.

antialias02

@brent_w: I trust real life card games much more than I trust computer controlled card games.
Computer generated randomness seems a lot less random than reality to me.

Zolbrod

"Music > Board Games?" is an as relevant question. Cant understand why they should be compared at all.

Ive nothing against boardgames..just cant see why "X must > Y".

Some of my best childhood memories consists of endless nights of monopoly.

Krellie

Well, I find that playing UNO with my brothers is a far more tangible and entertaining experience than the XBLA port. They have charm, laughter and cascading waves of excitement.
But real-live teabagging can occur.

MasterOfPastures

@FyroniK:

Video game board games are awesome.

Anticipation for the win.

OneManFreakShow

I actually get what he's saying...

What's wrong with me?

OneManFreakShow

I've had similar experiences with card games.

I don't know what it is, but my strategy is so much more on the ball when I have the actual cards in my hands and I'm facing a flesh and blood opponent.

In computer versions of the same card games, I have trouble getting my head "into the game" so to speack.

brent_w

I prefer Video Game Boardgames my self... still waiting for Monopoly and all the greats to show up on XBLA... it would be the best of all time... downloadable themes... starwars monopoly... etc, Still waiting.!.

FyroniK

Yeah, its amazing how you can Deathmatch your friends, get a little riled up, and then like go drink some beers and forget it in 10 secs. However, at least with me, with a board game, I remember/am bitter about that shit for like WEEKS. Dunno why...

djkaurii

@unwesen: You'll get nothing but dittos from me; first because I wish I'D thought to mention Monopoly, and second because our group has a ton of long-time Magic players. Nothing like playing a game where everyone has cards from more than a dozen different sets and editions of the rules to make lawyering into it's own meta-game x)

cynopt

It's been widely documented how so many of the world's greatest Chess players have ended up paranoid, schizophrenic or suicidal. The most notable case in recent times is former world champion Bobby Fisher. He's now a raving Anti-Semite (his mother was Jewish) in Iceland fighting extradition to the US for passport violations and violating economic sanctions.

Wookiee1

Board games > Video games

Each have their pros and cons but its hard to beat the interactivity, portability and cost of board games.

FanDam

I don't play bored games, find them to be boring. Of course I grew up with our family playing Pac-Man and Centipede together. We never played bored games much, if any.

I find the mp aspect of games to provide just as much, if not more, fun than any board game. It's all about interaction, and video games can provide in spades. Board games are a bit more static IMO.

sadkermit

@thischarmingman: now thats funny. my fathers brother (hesitate to say uncle, as i met him only once and disliked him immensely, so familial terms feel inappropriate) was hugely into risk, and he is also in the loony bin now and close to death. and a former friend of mine who was into it and tried to get us to play numerous times WAS in the funny farm and is now just a total weirdo.

i think thats strong enough evidence to base a new lifelong prejudice on. risk players are certified crackpots. thanks for opening my eyes!

red

I love board games. It's all about the tangibility.

And skeptics, remember there's more out there than the three roll and move games your grandmother had in her closet when you were growing up.

RigorMortis

@Keeko_ca: Agreed that Carcassonne is one of the best board games.

@cynopt: It's the lawyering over rules that's half the fun ;)

Also, you can adapt rules... in monopoly, I quite often play with the bank extending loans at 10% interest, trading of streets instead of paying for them, etc. Can't see a digital version of the game offer the same flexibility for inventing addon rules.

I'm a great fan of board games, though there are few that I really, really like. Most of them would be duller in a digital version, while I can't see many video games surviving the transition to board games.

Interestingly enough, Wii party games that devolve into drunkenly waving about your controller have a similar sort of feel to them as board games.

unwesen

Like most of you, me and my buddies used to have 'Risk' nights at his house every now and again. The games would last upwards of 5 to 6 hours and I'd get home at 5am pretending I did something really exciting. At one point we even experimented with some 'Lord of the Rings Risk' which was a nice change of pace. Now my friend who hosted these nights is in an insane asylum (no joke) and we haven't played since. :(

thischarmingman

I like to play The Order of the Stick Adventure Game...a combo of Heroquest and Talisman FTW!

Turael

As a board game designer I can honestly say that when you bring a bunch of people together around a board game the game is never the focus, instead it is more of a catalyst for conversation.

When I get friends around a video game it becomes more about the video games than about conversation. The only notable exception is probably the Mario Party series which is nothing more than a board game on the TV.

HMTKSteve

@red:
I'm sorry, but when people say they played a game for a single digit span of minutes or played just one game their opinion doesn't hold much weight.

If you chose to play perhaps a couple more games of Carcassonne, you'd love it for it's simplicity yet tough to master gameplay. To be absolutely honest, it's easily one of the best board games I've personally played in recent years. Anyone can pick it up and play it and you don't have to sit through 1-2 hours of rules. Simple and insanely addictive. It certainly is better played on a table with 4 or so players. The Xbox version is awesome for a quick fix that doesn't need to be packed back into the box when you're done!

Keeko_ca

The Live implementation of carcassonne is not really all that good. The zooming is not all that great. the 3d effects actually detract from the experience. The 'strategy' screen that is supposed to mark fields and farmers is not half as good as it should be.

The implementation of Settlers is much better.

I have a pretty big boardgame collection, filled with good stuff: no monopoly, risk or anything like that. I find boardgaming more fun than random multiplayer on Live. It's jsut unfortunate that most people's only exposure to boardgames is through children's games that are too simple to be engaging and can end up taking forever.

Go to boardgamegeek, and read on real boardgames.

hibikir

Checkers are what's best anyway.

The Dark Defender

carcassonne is the most boring game i ever played. i eagerly downloaded it on xbla on the free day, played 1 game and laughed for about 2 mins afterwards at its lameness. its still there, 1 game played.

the only time ive played board games since i started playing videogames in the 80's is when forced to by family or when some fool insists at parties. in my experience, anything longer or more complex than ludo or checkers ends up boring everyone to tears, or else causes a scene and ends up thrown across the room. in fact a new year 1997 game of monopoly is legendary in my social circle for causing such a catastrophic physical rift that it led to a three way family feud which continues to this day and has caused several emigrations out of the country.

ludos pretty fun though.

red

I like board games, but I get tired of them fast. I can only move token and toll the dice or w/e for so long.

seestoff

@choirovwolves: @Communist_Gamer: Tabletop gaming is hardly dead, much less dying for lack of suckling at the digital teat. Ultimately, it's as much a question of the group you like to play with as the games themselves.
Just as an example, my favorite TT game ever is Illuminati, which would be impossible to digitize precisely because it capitalizes on the (anti)-social elements; duplicity, deceit, and as much outright cheating as you can get away with are key parts of the game.

cynopt

Any chess players here?

Wookiee1

At the last lan party my buds and I held, we ended up playing a full (quick) game of Risk and a game of Monopoly. A couple were also playing Civ4 at the same time (which really is a glorified board game, just more complex than can feasibly be put on a standard board).

I wouldn't say they're better or worse than video games, but they certainly are fun when you're playing the right ones with the right people. Not unlike video games, really.

rubiximus

To riff on T.S. Eliot: Risk and Diplomacy divide the world between them; there is no third.

Bakeroo

@MaxS: Interaction between humans - I'm talking face to face playing. Not online play. When I say 'it's all about interaction' - I'm referring to the human aspect of it, beit a board game or a video game with mp.

So there is no illusion for me, because the interaction is real. It's not an illusion when we have several people in the same room trash talking while playing SC2, and that experience is to me - better than board gameplay. Instead of moving pieces, we're moving food and drink into us and passing controllers (in the meantime also providing commentary on current players / general chatter) - which in a way to me can be just as strong of a mechanism to form bonds as any great board game.

Although, if you're reffering to interaction and thinking video game online mp play - then yeah - that is an illusion. When I'm playing alone online - I in no way think that I'm *interacting or playing* with others - they are just the same as bots to me, although a bit more erratic.

:)

sadkermit

@cynopt: Good god I need to shut up and do something constructive, sorry for hovering, everyone.

cynopt

@Squeegoth: It's not that Monopoly is inherently great, but the meta-game that grows up around it with various house rules, and the epic fights that can result, give it a special spot in the pantheon.
Lives have been brutally ended over who gets to play the top-hat; I think that's special.

cynopt

@MaxS: Munchkin-five, but I gotta disagree slightly. An FPS or similar is low interaction, fair enough; but less frantic games like WoW or Civ4 allow a pretty fair amount of conversation to slip through.

And leave poor Mr. De'M alone on the Lord's day, he can take a break from American standard english if he wants ;)

cynopt

Best way to lose friends: Diplomacy

Amazingly simple, amazingly offensive to your pal when you support another person invading his country.

Quine

Guys. Monopoly is awful. Risk is subpar. You guys have -no idea- what you're missing. Power Grid, Catan, Carcassonne, Puerto Rico, there's an entire world of AWESOME board games out there that most people haven't seen or heard of. Seriously guys. I've been gaming in some fashion since I was 4 playing Combat with my dad on our Atari. Your gaming experience isn't fleshed out if you're not trying modern board games. It's SO much more than Monopoly guys. Seriously.

Squeegoth

@sadkermit: "It's all about interaction" This is true for board games, albeit on a different level. With your friends at a table you get human interaction, not "+100 some resource" messages or polygon collision detection. Video games provide an illusion of interaction, while playing a board game you can actually touch all the pieces and talk directly to the players. Plus, as it was mentioned before, you can adapt the rules to situation, and emotions play a major role in winning strategy ;)
I guess my favourite would be Munchkin - an incredibly funny and fun card game loosely based on dungeon crawling.

PS Flynn, please pay more attention to grammar, I expect Kotaku to be a bit more professional.

MaxS

Monopoly > all

Deathproof

Brothers,

Follow me to the promised land.

Board Game Geek dot Com

You can see what games I have in my collection and how I rank them, my user name there is the same as here.

The fact that the public at large know not the joy that is Power Grid is a damn tragedy.

Infernarl

I've got to say, I love videogames, but board games are also a blast. The main problem is that a lot of the board games I've played take quite a while to learn, and at least one play-through to get the hang of. It's not like plopping down on a couch to play a FPS where you already have a pretty good idea of how to control it and play.

I find that most 'board gamers' tend to drift towards the popular Carcassonne, Catan, and Risk. Sticking to these games is like getting an Xbox and limiting yourself to Halo, Grand Theft Auto, and Tetris -- they're good games, but there's a wealth of others out there.

Two suggestions based on numerous shout outs in the comments -

If you like Risk - do yourself a favor and try Shogun [boardgamegeek.com] It's like Risk on 'roids. Instead of dice, you actually throw 'units' [tiny wooden cubes] into a 'battle tower' that quickly shows you who won (some units get caught in the tower only to rain out as reinforcements during later battles). And that's just the battles - the real game is complex and huge.

Also, Catan is fun, but also quite open to (in my experience) foul play and unfair trading between players. I've enjoyed Princes of Florence [boardgamegeek.com] far more than Catan. Princes charges you to produce great works via artists and scholars. The value of the works go up when you province has certain attributes that the professions desire: freedoms, buildings, and landscape styles. Landscapes and Buildings must be carefully placed in your province Tetris-style. Certain items (buildings, new professions) can be purchased, BUT others must be won during an auction phase at the beginning of every round.

Anyone have any other suggestions? As much as I like Risk and Catan, it's always nice to find fun new boardgames.

Klaymen

Monopoly, and Sorry! are the best. Trouble is good too. Remember the commercial?

"What're you kids doing?"
"Getting into troubleeee!"

MetaKz

Real board games are without a doubt better than videogame versions of board games. There's just something about physically interacting with the pieces that can't be replicated on-screen.

This is especially true of German board games like Carcassonne and Catan, where a big part of the game's appeal comes from seeing the beautiful tiles laid out at the centre of the table.

The only good thing about computerised board games is that there is no chance of the rules and scoring being argued over. Hoewever, this can be a problem if you prefer different rules to those that the computer offers. For example, XBLA Carcassonne uses a set of rules that differ from any that I've ever seen used with the real board game.

However, when video games go beyond what can be offered by a board game, then that's a different kettle of fish. Even when I invite a group of people over to play board games, we will almost certainly end up playing Mario Kart or a sports game at some point. They offer something totally different, but are just as great for multi-player gaming as any board game.

Marlor

@Squeegoth: Add Axis and Allies to that list.

t3hye11owdart

I'd be more impressed with his little board game crusade if he were teaching kids how to play D&D or some other tabletop RPG that promotes creativity and intelligence. Sure, no two games of Monopoly will ever be identical, but it's still monopoly and you're still confined to the same board, with the same cards, over and over and over. Sure, it's wholesome and fun for a while, but eventually you'll get sick of monopoly. The same could be said about Videogames, but certain games have a greater appeal and even higher replayability than a board game could ever have.

I'd say the big problem here is he's trying tos et up a city-wide 'family board game night!' kind of thing which has even less appeal, considering any family that seriously wants to play board games can buy a copy and not have to leave the comfort of their homes.

ChrowX

The thing that makes me prefer video games over board games is the availability of others.

With a PC / console game that is multiplayer, I can find someone to play against / with at any hour of the day / night.

I need to plan a date, time, and place to meet with 3-4 other friends in order to get a good board game session going.

MaxSteele

Since burning out on the 360 in the 2007 games rush, I've been collecting a few board games & organizing nights to play them. Enjoying them en mass far more than any videogame that came out last year (except maybe mass effect :P)

Heroscape is awesome if you like miniature battles, but hate painting them or paying lots of money or remembering overly complex battles systems. Its build the arena, draft a squad, & roll some skulls. Granted it can get a little complicated with special moves etc, but Ive had everyone wanting to play this game, people I thought would have hated a miniature based games.

Days of Wonder games are all round awesome too. Pirates Cove, Shadows over Camelot & Mystery of the Abbey are 3 games that'll give you an insight as to how far we've come from monopoly. SoC is easily the most interactive game I've played in a long time (Sharing moans of displeasure when another despair card comes out etc). Being huge Monty Python fans its easy to get carried away in SoC, & the game somewhat encourages it.

I could talk all day & I do, but anyone interested needs to goto www.boardgamegeek.com & just start anywhere. I started with Heroquest (Fav game of my youth) Which lead to Heroscape, my fav game as a young man. Anyone who is bored by boardgames must not have played one that came out after 2000. Its fair to make the observation, but I haven't encountered boredom by anyone in my diverse gaming group yet.

Grommell

@cynopt: Yeah, you have to chat a lot in WoW, but it's usually only text or a headset at most, which doesn't really deliver the complete experience. On the other hand, as sadkermit pointed out - if you have a group of people playing (board or video games) in the same room, you get quite a lot of live interaction. And in this case you can actually see people's emotions - imagine, in Munchkin, someone's face when they meet a lvl1 monster which first turns into a Plutonium Dragon, and then into some lvl37 abomination ;D

PS I was refering to Queen's English, but that doesn't matter. I still think grammar is important, whatever the day.

MaxS

One of the local Atlanta Gamers is writing a column for Gameshark about boardgames. The intended audience is for videogamers.

[www.gameshark.com]

In particular, the Original Trilogy Star Wars Risk is AMAZING. Shorter than normal Risk, and different enough that it feels like a different game.

The Starcraft boardgame is also worth a serious look. 2-3 hours, and it does feel like Starcraft.

moofrank

I think the board games on XBLive are a great idea. If you can make them play locally as well as on live they're even better. I know it's not possible for all of them but the more the better.
I'd rather see a board game show up than another shooter at any rate.

Leathersoup

Mario Party is basically a board game with bits of video game in between. No wonder it sells so well.

The downside with board games is that an excitable dog can cause it to erupt into pandemonium. This is from personal experience. Can't say it wasn't fun though.

Sabre_Justice

@Klaymen: I got Shogun for Christmas! So far as suggestions, I worked in a board game store for a long time. What is it you like? I dig 2 player abstracts, so the Gipf series is a favorite of mine. Thurn and Taxis is a great game with an absolutely boring concept behind it. Britannia is a pretty simple, but excellent war game with a lot of history behind it. Find me on AIM or something and we'll gab games. I'm staring at my roommate's wall/collection and it's hard to name all the good ones.

Oh, and Dos Rios for a more cutthroat Catan-style experience for 2-4 players.

Done!

Squeegoth

I seriously could want nothing more than for XBLA to have Blokus and Ingenious. If you don't know what those are, look for them on the interwebs and find ways to play them. Now.

Only thing I'd want more on there is Carcassonne, and it's already on there. ;P

DarkHogosha

Board games for the win.

One is not better than the other, but for youngin's, board games are far superior. Why? It teaches interaction and strategy, not cursing like Halo on live does.

vongarr

@Marlor:

The other good thing is that you don't have to buy another $50+ game because someone lost one gamepiece.

RvLeshrac

Board games are great.

Decent videogame ports of boardgames, with good AI opponents, are better. You can't *always* get several people together to play a game of, say, Monopoly that will last hours. If you can get one or two people together and a couple of AIs, you're gold.

Another problem with "initiatives" such as this is that the board games they choose are always *crap* like Snakes & Ladders. WTF is the point of a game where all you do is roll the dice, relying purely on luck to get from Point A to Point B? You're better off teaching the kids to play Poker - at least then they're learning math and diplomacy skills.

RvLeshrac

My friends and I are huge video game dorks but we still get together to play Munchkin from time to time. There's simply nothing like it in digital form.

Kamakazie

Last year I frequently played all sorts of board games with friends from Uni. It was fun, we played a lot of short and friendly games as opposed to long and more cut-throat games like Monopoly.

I think that playing with people face to face is a different experience. It can be more rewarding and personal if you have a good group to play with, but can be a nightmare if you play with the wrong people as well. Online play just makes the process far more impersonal, reducing the risk but also reducing the overall interaction.

I'm in favour of both video games and boardgames as separate mediums, and for more complex games having a program handle micromanagement can be convenient, but other than that I prefer the tangible experience in most cases.

hikaizer

don't play monopoly, it takes FOREVER to finish!

rickster773

@red: Maybe the idea of world domination attracts the mentally unstable? The thing about my buddy is actually quite sad though, The kid (as we knew him) completely disappeared and was replaced by this raving lunatic with 10 manic personalities. On the other hand, I LOVE Risk, and as far as I can tell, I'm only mildly insane.

thischarmingman

Games like Game Of Thrones truly exemplify the level that board games can reach. They can be just as enticing and immersive as video games. However I truly hear what others are saying. It's a bit more difficult to get everyone to meet in a place physically for six hours than it is to get some friends to take an hour to play online.

ConstantCupcake

Given a choice over a board game and a video game version of it, I'm afraid I'll have to take the video game version. Not because it's better, but because where I live is Gamer Hell. No one I know around here (admittedly only a small handful of people really qualify as "friends" to the point I'd want to do something with them; the rest are either just RL NPCs [so to speak] or friendly acquaintances) are into board or paper/dice games.

And, besides, that $10 I spent on XBLA Carcassonne was a lot less than the $30 or so I'd pay for the physical version, and even then I wouldn't have gotten the river expansion without paying even more. :)

(Granted, the river expansion is hardly anything to write home about...)

imnohbody

We do the same thing at our Library in Chilliwack, Canada. Aimed at teens we play some great games like Zombies, Catan, Carcassonne, Citadels, Bang!, Apples to Apples, Guillotine, and Escalation. The only old school games are Water Works, Chess (which rarely comes out) and Chinese Checkers. No Monopoly, Risk, or Boggle here.

When I read the article I had to laugh. Their first session was in January and their next is in March? Amateurs! We've been doing that for 3 years now.

We got out idea from the manager of a games store who was doing it for a couple years prior to us starting it. We've become such a success we've branched out into other programs including a craft night and a Manga/Anime appreciation night (a la Genshiken). At some point in the evening the conversation turns to video games, most of the kids and all of the adults are gamers. But no one complains while they are getting the longest road or have the sheriff down to one bullet.

Smashaga

Vaguely appropriate to this subject: Dante's Inferno, board gamer edition

:)

imnohbody