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Keighley Sets Mass Effect Record Straight... Or Tries To
Posted by Brian Crecente at 7:15 PM on January 22, 2008
Having had the thrill of appearing live on Fox News to try and clear the waters over a vast video game misrepresentation, I have to say I feel for Geoff Keighley. In the first two minutes the anchor says that Mass Effect has full nudity and sex and a psychologist "expert" talks about statistics show that games are played by young boys and that Mass Effect is all about objectifying women. Oh wait, you can play as a woman too, Keighley points out and the full on nudity? About half a boob for 30 seconds of a 30 hour game.
Keighley totally took charge of the interview. How much, you ask? He goaded their expert, who seconds early was talking about sexism, to call him "darling." Nice, maybe ask him to bend over a pick up a pencil next darling.
Let me end by saying it's obvious that everyone of the people who they had discussing it after the fact have not only never played Mass Effect, they probably heard about it five minutes before they were supposed to offer an opinion. Very shoddy. Though, at least they got his name right.
Comments (AU Comments · US Comments)
Hanque
Posted January 22, 2008 7:37 PM
Wow.
The ignorance displayed here was almost tangible.
Praise to Keighley, though. Shame they didn't let him speak more.
Ninja Catfish
Posted January 22, 2008 10:49 PM
It will be a great day, when the people who grew up during the videogame age will be the ones in the media, who won't fear all forms of electronics due to a lack of understanding.
I look forward to this day.
Until then, I choose to live my non socially acceptable life :D
Kizaru
Posted January 23, 2008 3:01 AM
Y'know, they are ABSOLUTELY 100% percent correct. Our children shouldn't be playing a 30+ hour game and chance upon a sex scene like this at all! They would be more productive and have an easier time jumping on the computer, google "boobies", and depending on daddy's internet connection, have ACTUAL porn to look at, in no time at all! Easy as 1, 2, 3!
MikeZdoesit
Posted January 26, 2008 2:27 PM
*groan* Simply sensationalist dribble, and what a ‘fair’ panel of individuals that was. I cant believe they can misrepresent the facts in such an outrageous and poorly executed manner. We truly are witnessing the blind leading the blind.
EnigmaNemesis
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
@red:
So true!
EnigmaNemesis
GregoriusH
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
I love it how that woman declares that Mass Effect is sexist with one breath, and then declares that all video gamers everywhere are exclusively male with the next.
GregoriusH
Xiedo
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
@red: LOL, if you are right about that, I think they will be sorely disappointed after buying Mass Effect.
"What's with all this talking? When's the sex?"
Xiedo
DarthWind
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
This has infuriated me to the point I honestly want to become a big media/news intellectual just to defend videogames. I know I'm never going to stop gaming & it seems like everyone in the world fights against them but there aren't enough Geoff's to defend the industry. We need a Jack Thompson like icon who ever news station grabs, but unlike Jack he actually defends our artform & represents it intelligently.
I'm so angry right now my head is about to explode, I had idiotic people.
DarthWind
That Girl Hates You
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
Lets see if I ended the Italics, its starting to give me a head ache.
That Girl Hates You
rateoforange
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
@OmiCom:
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rateoforange
red
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
and what dickhead fucked up the font?
red
spaulding360
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
@y2julio:
Shit dawg thanks! I tried that google thing you told me about and I typed in "who is that stupid bitch on fox" and found exactly what I was looking for.... thanks agian!
spaulding360
sdstone
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
Chillingly closeminded, uninformed and ignorant. How is it that these are called news programs when the people communicating do not do thorough research or give equal time to both sides of the argument? I learned about yellow journalism and media bias in 7th grade. Why do people watch programs like these? Is it just to have their own closemindedness re-inforced? I don't expect the anchors to be hardcore gamers, but if they give their opinions on it, I expect that they had spent some amount of time playing the game in question and to not have a general disdain for the entire medium. The brunette sounded like her mind hurt because she couldn't fathom that games had matured past Space Invaders in the past 20 years. That's so condescending and narrowminded.
Note Fox News. I'll show you the same courtesy you show video games. I'll complain, not actually experience you first hand, not support your publisher or advertisers and I'll bad mouth you to all my friends. Thanks for starting the negativity and exclusion.
sdstone
Sparx88
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
The whole thing was a sham. I mean all that interview boiled down to was man vs woman where man likes porn, woman doesnt. Its not so much the nudity that was the issue as opposed to the concept of sex in young minds. The woman did have a point in that nobody monitors their kids anymore and the fact that MS even used that as an excuse just shows that they didn't want to deal with it and pass the blame on to the parents in a way where they looked like the good guy.
Sparx88
EnigmaNemesis
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
@levarien:
As her brains splattered all over the place ... but gosh forbid, Mass Effect! ZOIKS!
EnigmaNemesis
red
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
this is fox. it is run by and for reactionary conservatives. it finds a large audience in america with that. we're in the middle of unwanted wars, global pollution and economic recession; conservatives really dont want to hear about these things because it upsets their strongest beliefs. so instead fox finds things they will like to keep its audience.
it doesnt matter much. all it can really do is increase sales of mass effect, because another thing conservatives are big on is repressed sexuality; they will scream and wail about a sexy game and then secretly rush to buy it, regardless of whether theyve been grossly misinformed.
red
stune
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
This is what happens when Ignorance takes reigns over the truth. People truly think they know how to describe an event, or experience, or instance in time, yet they have no idea what that experience encompasses.
At least the Blonde gave Geoff a shot. The "expert" simply used her "Superiority as a Human Being Because I've been labeled an Expert" Medal to make a false point about something she's most likely never even seen.
stune
That Girl Hates You
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
@Ajh: Thats good though, I just have this really bad "relationship" with republicans. Only a few are good in my book (my father is one of those rare ones. (Republican but not white (Argentinan.))
That Girl Hates You
zerbrechen
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
Now with my accidental reign of terror concluded, I shall retire to my chambers.
zerbrechen
CaptLtrl
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
What's the point on reporting on this and getting someone to defend the game if they aren't even given a chance to do so. This clip disgusted me. Nothing Geoff said was taken to heart or even LISTENED to at all. They could've just broadcast white noise during his replies and gotten the same effect.
How long is it going to be before we can discuss things like this maturely and rationally? As a gamer I am disgusted. Shit, as a human being I am disgusted.
My head hurts.
CaptLtrl
ampillion : Will comment for money.
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
@levarien: In all honesty though, I'm betting very little research goes into these quick 'sound bite' style news stories, whatever the channel. I mean, if you sit down and listen to some of the news sometimes, it honestly sounds like there's a guy in a booth above the studio that is sitting around, feeding them the news stories right before the breaks. Calling any of these types of people as 'professional reporters' is the same as calling me a 'gaming journalist and analyst' because I'm commenting on this news blog, and speculate about things.
ampillion : Will comment for money.
BadByte
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
... my head hurts from watching those people. I've seen more titties & sex in movies rated 11 years by the norwegian media authority (approx PG/PG-13 in the US).
BadByte
ivan225
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
1. from where did it go to video games to stuff on the internet.
2. if the kid is old enough to walk home from school by himself is probably old enough to play a video and understand thats it's a game.
3. u see more sex on fox t.v shows or movies on TNT that are way more easily available than a video game.
4. I'm 15 ears old and they sell me tickets at the movies for R rated movies. Use the parental controls people!!!
ivan225
HaiducFolken
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
We need some FoxDie, specifically for these journalists`.
HaiducFolken
levarien
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
@tmanflys: I totally agree. Fox and CNN just loved showing the Bhutto assassination tape, endlessly speculating on whether or not she had just been shot or bumped her head on the sunroof of her car.
levarien
Hiero Glyph
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
It just proves once again that you should never believe everything you hear on television. I have to admit that it does make you want to smack these ignorant hosts/speakers though. I would never talk about a subject with authority that I did not fully research and it looks like the most these people had was 5 minutes of biased articles to read.
Hiero Glyph
OmiCom
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
Wow... this makes people angrier than HD-DVD's deathwatch...
It's just Fox Noise people... not CNN... oh wait they suck too... Maybe G4 can do something... oh no, they are crap as well... It's just a damn shame we don't have an objective view of video games out there in the mainstream.
Remember kids, VIDEO GAMES ARE THE DEVILS TOOLS... except Wii Sports, because as of yet they have not found something evil in it... yet...
POO ON THE PANEL!
OmiCom
rateoforange
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
@EnigmaNemesis:
Are you kidding? They love it when commentators go apeshit. The only real sin is being boring. I think he carried himself well. Him making 'our side' look like jerks would have served us even less than this piece of trash. If it weren't for the guy at the end that was like 'but we really can't/shouldn't regulate this', the panel would be sheer cringe inducing madness. If I saw that on the air I would throw a chair through my television, because I can't distinguish between real and fake violence.
rateoforange
EnigmaNemesis
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
@prmckinney:
My goodness, thankfully I didn't catch that .. I don't know if I could handle it ... ROFL!
EnigmaNemesis
splines
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
I want to see these "statistics" stating most gamers are adolescents.
Everything I've read is the exact opposite - most gamers are males with disposable income in the 18 - 35 bracket.
Yeah, we were adolescent ten or fifteen fucking years ago, you douchebags. Way to keep up with trends.
By the way, pretty much everything you see and hear nowadays is targeted at getting our cash, not some fifteen year old with a hardon for video game characters.
splines
Dennen
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
If I were a news anchor for Fox, I do not believe I would last very long.
The second they said the AO bit, I would have responded "I am currently unsure which is right. Quite honestly, it being this way, I don't think I have much of a place to say anything about it.
Dennen
Moosetwik
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
Ugh. That was tough to watch. Did everyone hear that crack about Chuck Norris? That guy with the glasses is grade-A material.
Moosetwik
muppetsausages
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
@d1sco_d3ath: All mainstream media is shit. I don't even own a TV. I unplugged around when The Muppet Show went off-air. Am I less offensive to your sensibilities now?
muppetsausages
Ajh
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
@That Girl Hates You: My father is a stuffy old republican white man. He can find the ratings on videogames and not buy them for children if they're not appropriate. The ratings system came about after my sister and I were grown up but he can still find it. (I handed him several games to see what he'd buy if he had an 8 year old kid. He didn't pick any of the games I handed him. When asked what he'd do if the kid said they really wanted the game he said "Too bad.")
So if my oftentimes idiotic father can figure out what games to buy for children and realize that there are games for adults too, these people are beyond any insult on intelligence I can think of....
Ajh
The Black Pigeon
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
"Luke Skywalker meets Debbie Does Dallas"
Well....there WAS Slave Leia....:p
The Black Pigeon
prmckinney
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
The best quote... "At the end of the day it is up to parents to control what their kids are seeing." Anchorwoman: "Yeah unfortunately..."
prmckinney
theremustbeCHAOS
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
Its called parenting. It is fully understandable to not want your kids to play this game, but it is something totally different to not want me, an adult, to play this game. The themes in Mass Effect are handled much better than on some network (ecspecially Fox btw) prime time shows. would you rather have your kid see half a digital breast or watch 90% of "reality TV" which does nothing BUT objectify women. And the woman on the panel near the end of the segment who said " I wonder what the kid who is home alone is gonna say- gee maybe I'll play dads game". Well if you did a piss poor job teaching your children to obey your rules then maybe you shouldn't leave them unsuppervised. Or better yet why not get a government official to babysit since your obviously too busy talking about things you know nothing about to actually, you know, parent. And lets just censor all art that anyone anywhere finds offensive. Maybe we can go through all the museums and put little stickers over any naught bits some evil dude painted or sculpted in the past. When you ask the government to do your job you are giving away your freedom.
theremustbeCHAOS
Khazk
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
God damn it. Just...
God damn it.
:(
Khazk
Witzbold
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
Why dont I have a button to ban Faux News? Its the one thing I really want to HAMMER. D:
Witzbold
drweazel
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
I love it when they say it shows full nudity. The news show was completely biased and I am not saying that just because I am a gamer. If I turn my TV on any day I'll see more sex and nudity than that. Also, they let Geoff speak for a little under 30 seconds. Too bad his first lines, "first off your wrong", were over shadowed by the lazy maternal figure now thinking it's the worlds fault for her son's hormones kicking in. The sex scene is a good 20+ hours into the game (unless you get the asari consort which is much harder); they make it seem like your this big pimp running around the galaxy spreading sex, lies, and atheism. "Debbie Does Dallas meets Luke Skywalker"? What kind of ignorant jerk would make such bold claims without seeing the video obviously. What the News JUST SHOWED was the entire scene and if it's okay to show on Fox why is it so sinful to be in a video game marketed to children?
drweazel
EnigmaNemesis
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
@nomadder:
Fox would have never aired that, sadly!
EnigmaNemesis
levarien
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
I love how they can admit not playing games, and not looking at mass effect for any amount of time, and then summarily judge it as an AO title that needs to be kept out of the home. And the fact that the "expert" on child development just assumed that you played a male character intent on sexing up the universe made me laugh out loud.
I don't understand why the "opposing view" guests even bother. Geoff was able to talk for maybe 20-30 seconds in a 5 minute clip. He is there so Fox can say they offered an opposing voice and continue pretending to be a "News" source. I wish the level headed people that Fox brings in to legitimize themselves would just say no. Just boycott Fox and let it be the propaganda blasting pseudo talk show network that it really is.
levarien
balls187
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
Oh I have failed.
balls187
That Girl Hates You
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
@nomadder: I have something to say to that...
...L.O.L.
That Girl Hates You
balls187
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
closing the italics for the good of Kotaku!
balls187
Majorasblaze - I have words after my name and you can't stop me
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
We really need more people with voices to tell the non-gaming world what is really going on, this flow of misinformation has gone on way too long, and now that gaming is becoming more mainstream it's even more integral.
Majorasblaze - I have words after my name and you can't stop me Kirbyslayer!
nomadder
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
I know we all love Geoff, but he messed up here. Valiant try but he should have torn her apart.
Fist words out of his mouth should have been: "I'm sorry but your opinions are uninformed, your arguments have absolutely no truth value, and quite frankly your overall ignorance is embarrassing to you, your family, your profession, and your country."
nomadder
EnigmaNemesis
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
@okenny :):
As I point him to UK, Australia, Brazil, Germany, etc links to BANNING games.
EnigmaNemesis
BornToFlail
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
Alright what the hell fox news? Type in "video game statistics" to Google and you can find actual credible reports that outright shut down your claims. You truly are an expert lady.
Oh and what the heck does your book have to do with anything discussed in the interview?
At the core of this clip is my inability to imagine the kind of people that watch this garbage. Are they really that misinformed? More importantly, after watching Fox's exploits over the years one has to wonder what viewer base WANTS to actively stay misinformed?
Seriously?
BornToFlail
The Black Pigeon
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
Sex objects?
Had they actually played the game, the would have found out about the last dude who tried to treat a Williams woman as a sex object. It didn't exactly go over too well.
The Black Pigeon
tmanflys
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
@whatthegeek: That rant was probably one of the best I have ever read. It was exactly how I felt.
tmanflys
Xiedo
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
@d1sco_d3ath: Well, I hope MSNBC (being part of Microsoft) would try to do a little better job than spreading obvious misinformation about a flagship product.
What puzzles me is how (like someone said) many stores are carding people buying Mature-rated games, plus the 360 has excellent parental controls that can be passcoded (so no, kids cannot get around it). If parents were doing their jobs right and not buying their kids these games or, if they do own these kinds of games, setting up the console correctly, they would not have access to the content. Parents don't have any excuses anymore.
Xiedo
That Girl Hates You
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
@Dennen: oi... if it ever did turn into the 50s again I think I'll shoot myself, or go on a homicidal ramage then shoot myself and write in a note saying that it was Fox news' fault.
I kinda like to not work in the kitchen, I you'll be damn sure that I will fight it XD.
That Girl Hates You
y2kenjination
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
@EnigmaNemesis: I AGREE MAN, ALBA IS HOT! OH MAN I WANNA BANG HER. OMG VIDEO GAMES HAVE TURNED ME INTO AN ANIMAL! /foaming in the mouth
y2kenjination
zerbrechen
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
Ugh... I did it again.
zerbrechen
okenny :)
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
@Zero_Tact: Yeah.... I can't wait for you get the fuck out and take Faux with you too! Seriously blaming an entire country for the clear stupidity of 5 individuals on a hack-panel is about as bad as the panel itself. It's fucks like you who say stupid shit about "I would never raise a family here" while you while go around trying to look down on everyone who enjoys life calling them "Americans" as though it was some derogatory term! Idiot!
okenny :)
giantenemycrab
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
Damn video games! *waves cane* Violence and rape didn't even EXIST before these Xboxs and Playstations, that's fact. You can't argue with facts. The University of Maryland scientifically tested 50 young boys who played video games. Before playing Mass Effect, only 17% of the boys said they would likely rape and murder in their lifetime. After Mass Effect, however, over 100% said they were more likely to rape and/or murder. Over 100%. "Rape"Box? "Murder"station? You decide.
giantenemycrab
Obijuan
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
@Dan Zuccarelli:
UNITY!!
Obijuan
Dennen
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
As for Mass Effect. I am surprised Bioware has not sought legal action against these falsities. These newscasters and anti-gaming puppets should be ashamed for falling for such simple and mindless ignorance. Warning after Warning is put before them and all is bypassed. In the end all they can do is get their 10 seconds of spotlight so they can make more cash on profiteering of their books such as Lil Miss Anti-Gaming there. Which by the way, for someone who is so against "How boys see girls" as a result of these games, that's a lovely "I'm in a sexy girl power pose for the cover of my book to draw attention to it" she's got there... If she truly felt in such a manner, she would have made a bold statement on the cover and let her words speak for themselves, and not sell her image to attract attention.
But what do I know. I am apparently only the minority that is not on mainstream media also having common sense.
Also a note.. What the is with her little laugh when Geoff asks if she has played Mass Effect? What.. Women cannot play video games? Is it below her? Is she too smug to play video games or give a damn about anything other than her book sales? Is it so unbelievable that perhaps.. Just PERHAPS... Somebody should have a little bit of experience in the field they are citing? But apparently we people with common sense are rather wacky.
Dennen
EnigmaNemesis
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
@Maldron:
We forever have to walk with the lack there of V8 slant!
EnigmaNemesis
Tylahedras
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
Wow, sad.
Tylahedras
ampillion : Will comment for money.
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
Really, unless the game has SOMETHING that they can deem to be unacceptable, you wouldn't ever see a single thing about it on a national news program outside of a general 'Gaming violence BAD!' thing, and yet, they also constantly have to come around and tell us just how popular gaming is becoming, about how much money big corporations are making on these things.
I laughed my ass off at this though. I honestly don't think they expected him to actually come out firing, and immediately asked them how much they'd actually played it. Sure, I haven't played it, but who do you think I'm going to trust more? Some snobby psychologist who hasn't touched the game? An airheaded interviewer? The gaming expert, dear ladies, knew exactly what you planned to do before you did it, and shut you up so fast you had to turn right to your 'panel' before he could tear apart your stupid expose on how evil the game is.
By the way, Fox News. If you think that this game is so terrible and influencing on how terribly it desensitizes young males about sexuality and treating women as objects, I've got a real shocker for you. The Internet has tons of porn out there, and much more readily available. Instant-gratification style, the American way! Oh, but right, that's not hot-button enough to cover.
ampillion : Will comment for money.
y2kenjination
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
@little_dragon: I'll never understand the US either, and I've lived here for most of my life. >_>
y2kenjination
Maldron
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
@zerbrechen: You've doomed us all!
Maldron
Dennen
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
What is very stupid about all of this is that the facts were presented and they chose to ignore them. If they as parents and providers and educators refuse to acknowledge any form of teaching someone to prohibit behavior they do not wish their children can see, what kind of example are they setting for the children themselves?
Do they honestly expect children to grow into their later lives completely normal if their parents were constantly given information and the best the parents could do was gawk at it then change the channel? Or to pose the question in the form of a threat to a provider and when a reasonable response is made telling them what they can do to protect their children - they ignore it?
I am surprised that people like Mr Keighley have not begun telling them "Lets put this in another context for a second"... Explained to them that by ignoring the information given, if the data by research tells them so, they are equivalently ignoring and leaving their children in the wilderness to be devoured by this "evil" that has been labeled incorrectly... If the parents don't want it available, the option is there to disable it in terms of games for this next generation... The Internet has nothing to do with these video games and should not be brought into context. The Internet is a wholely different entity and is not Bioware or Microsoft made.
The Internet cannot be controlled by a single company, and it is up to the parents to supervise that. But in terms of games, the parents do have the right and availability to control what their children do. The box tells them what will be there. The game restriction options are on the console. The time restrictions are on the console. There's a warning on most games when you start them. The parents ignore all and then we get the resulting charade we see on the news such as this.. That is not Biowares fault. If anything, that is a complete failure on behalf of the news and parents.
Dennen
Last_Raven
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
@Khabi:
Yeah... I think they need to get their heads examined. Let's not censor Debbie Does Dallas and make it a household phrase... there's irony for you. I bet every kid out there knows that phrase.
The woman arguing Jeff was patronizing and using sexual dominance over him by calling him "darling". He was probably like... wth...
Let's all go back to the '50s when life was better (or so they would have you think...) I think there needs to be a better film rating board rather than revamping the ESRB. For what it's worth, at least you can buy a rated R movie with full nudity at the local FYE and I don't really know of any games that you get the same... experience...
Let's just have kids watch Davie and Goliath and we'll all be happy again as one homogenous, cleansed society :) We love everyone!
Last_Raven
EnigmaNemesis
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
@y2kenjination:
The movie that came out, "Good Luck Chuck" was far more graphic than this. Haven't seen it, but I can bet damn well every pompous bitch on there thought it was a "cute and funny movie".
Oh, and Alba is the hotness, oh shit I shouldn't think of women that way... yes I should, I am a damn guy, and sexual attraction makes babies, and that is the natural life cycle of a species. Well then again, people like we seen on TV shouldn't breed... so I guess they have a point.
EnigmaNemesis
kidnicky
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
Disco D3ath- The fact that other stations may sometimes sink as low as Fox doesn't give Fox any more credibility.
kidnicky
Sir_Redface
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
Idiots like this is what fills me with Violent rage, not video games.
Sir_Redface
4dSwissCheese
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
Those days when moms were home all day - you think the kids went straight home after school to be supervised by their mommies?
4dSwissCheese
zerbrechen
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
You know, I never particularly liked Keighley, but he's won tons of respect for me in this "debate" (30 seconds of interruption does not a debate make). He stated the facts and intelligently slammed down who is now my second least liked person on this planet: that douchebag analyst.
Never... in my life... have I wanted to punch someone more.
"I have to go with the research, darling" (or something to that effect, I will never suffer her voice again), even though the research would logically be less accurate than the actual facts of the game. Keighly tries to set her straight once more, but is interrupted by a panel of unbridled stupidity. Why no AO rating? Because it's not porn. There's no full on nudity, but the truth is easily ignored. "Let's play dad's games!!"- an isolated incident which, among others, would be avoidable with actual parenting.
This video caused me physical pain, but it's one I think every gamer should see, especially if they are in or plan to work in a videogame field.
This is what the general masses think about, this is how they think. Is it right? No. But is it the truth? Yes.
zerbrechen
d1sco_d3ath
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
href="#c3815800">y2kenjination: One thing I think is funny about them saying "the kids could get home after school and play their Dad's games!"
How many kids do they think have snuck into R-rated movies? Is their a big outcry over better movie security? The stuff in any average R rated movie these days is leaps and bounds more morally corrupt than anything in Mass Effect could ever hope to be. @
d1sco_d3ath
Saint Anima (PSN = PoeticMassacre)
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
This deserves a big, juicy MEH.
Silly news people. Funny how one of them brings up Atari. Atari had games that are five times as sexual as Mass Effect. They act like this is a new craze in video games. Now I will go drink milk with my brownie.
Saint Anima (PSN = PoeticMassacre)
y2julio
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
@Gofthick: What laws? There are NO gaming laws. The ESRB is a ratings scheme ment to self-regulate the industry. There is NO law that says it's illegal for anyone aged lower than the ESRB rating of game to buy it.
y2julio
ChiltonGaines
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
Fuck Faux News, right up their Barbie Doll and G.I. Joe asses. If they bothered to complete the game, instead of browsing YouTube for a sex scene to startle some idiots who care about Fox, they would have noticed a brilliant and wonderful gem of a story.
ChiltonGaines
little_dragon
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
I'll never understand the US. I watched my first erotic movie when I was 13, because back then private television was rather new in germany and they allways used to air bad 70s soft core after midnight to get more viewers.
You'll see naked boobs on commercials and TV shows in the afternoon in europe. Prostitution is legal, soft core erotic movies are rated 16+ in many countries.
This list could go on forever.
And guess what? I've never treated a woman like an object in my whole life. And neither have my friends. My pals who've spent the nights at my house when my mom was gone and used to watch those crappy porn movies together with me are all married, have children and are wonderfull husbands and fathers.
"Parenting is so hard nowadays.."
Yea, it's sooo hard. Like, you have to show interest in your kid's interests and, like, talk to them. Try to understand them.
Woooaaahhhhhhhh!
That way lies communism....
little_dragon
ticalmc2k2
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
It's funny how after Geoff logically rebutes the psychologist, they throw a red herring in there by talking about guns and violence and its effect on children.
ticalmc2k2
Witzbold
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
@EnigmaNemesis: Isnt it? Its so true though and thats the sad part, since its no longer a "parody". :x
Witzbold
y2kenjination
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
Typical mainstream media bullshit. And people wonder why I don't watch the news...that was just painful to watch. Misinformed facts, the people not even bothering to listen to Keighley, ugh. OH NOES THIS GAME HAS SEX! Get with the times, people. Ever heard of rated R movies? Same deal. This game is rated mature for a reason. Contrary to belief, games aren't just for 10 year olds.
y2kenjination
Mikey G
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
@Dan Zuccarelli: LMAO! Ohh man that was amazing lol.
Mikey G
feartheraven
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
fuck fox, geoff, you stood up well and showed people the expert and the interviewer had no idea what they were talking about. and in the panel where the lady remarked what happened to the days of atari where things were unsophisticated gived me hope and despair. despair that the older generations and politicians will never understand this new form of art, and hope that within the next 20 years new politicians will understand. thanks geoff.
feartheraven
d1sco_d3ath
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
@muppetsausages: ugh.....ENOUGH with the Fox news hate....as I and Eniganmesis have already pointed out....it's not just them, it's ALL of the mainstream media.....
oh I am sorry I forgot....."it's just so damn cool to hate FOX news."
d1sco_d3ath
EnigmaNemesis
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
@Dan Zuccarelli:
I love that, would have been funny to see a Shepperd look a like walk on stake and pimp slap the whole panel!
EnigmaNemesis
muppetsausages
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
FOX = huge trolls.
muppetsausages
myd12
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
@Zero_Tact: I wish i could go starve in africa! I wish i could pay obscenely high amounts for a small flat in a polluted city with horrible welfare in england! I wish i could live in a country rampant with piracy and racism and monoplies like japan! Get over yourself. America's one of the better places to live.
On topic unlike that asshat who i think honestly doesn't know what tact is. Does anyone watch fox? Do the people that watch fox honestly own an xbox or a ps3? We know they're full of shit. And movies got the same kind of shit when they were starting off. Games are just going through they're growing pains.
myd12
baberg
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
The "panel" keeps to Fox News' typical MO of fear mongering. "The Internet and Video Games are coming to get your children!"
Kudos to Keighley for being rude and arrogant enough to actually get some words in edgewise on the overbearing host and other guests. That's the problem with most "news" these days. Reasoned arguments are drowned out by soundbites and shouting.
Ever wonder why there's no Mass Effect stories in newspapers?
baberg
d1sco_d3ath
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
@EnigmaNemesis: We have the technology, we can rebuild him.
d1sco_d3ath
ShaggE
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
Even if Mass Effect was an all-out balls to the wall pr0n-fest, what exactly makes sex so much worse than violence? It's just like with Hot Coffee.
ESRB: "Running around beating, shooting, stabbing, running over, and decapitating everyone you see? Hmmm... M rating."
ESRB post-Hot Coffee: "ZOMG BREASTSESES!111 AO RATING NOW!!11 WE CAN'T LET THIS ESCAPE INTO THE PUBLIC!"
Damn, this country is so ass backwards.
ShaggE
Maldron
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
Geoff handled himself well. Managed to put out some good points and discredit both the people who were against him as people who hadn't actually experienced the content in question themselves.
Seriously, they go on about how a kid could play their dad's video games, about how a kid can find it if they want to, but parents can choose whether or not to keep violent games in their homes, whether or not to block specific internet content, whether or not to sit down and candidly discuss the subjects with their kids. A parent can either be responsible about it or they can't.
You REALLY can't let your kid be more clever than you are during their formative years.
Maldron
EnigmaNemesis
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
@Lebensbaum:
I agree, at first I was turned off by him. But after seeing him lately ... I have respect for him, and we need someone like him to give gaming a voice. Lets hope they stick with him, make him strong, and not be afraid to use him as a weapon of sense.
EnigmaNemesis
Cuban__B
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
@Dan Zuccarelli:
i lol'd
Cuban__B
EnigmaNemesis
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
@d1sco_d3ath:
Oh absolutely not ... they are all filth, and anyone who says otherwise, just open the gates to the slaughter-mill now, cause you are ready!
EnigmaNemesis
BD
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
Dear. God.
People are stupid. IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, DON'T SAY ANYTHING AT ALL!
BD
Lebensbaum
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
Wow, my respect for Keighley just skyrocketed. I guess we do need someone like him in the mainstream to represent the gaming culture - at least he's well-versed and knows what he's talking about.
Oh, and Fox New is f*cking retarded.
Lebensbaum
BryanGuitarDude
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,116020,00.html
there is the link to send them an email if anyone is actually interested. Zee! Revolution!
BryanGuitarDude
That Girl Hates You
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
@JohnRabbit: Might not since fox is run by stuffy white old men /coughrepublicancough/.
That Girl Hates You
lifeinthefridge
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
I just watched that clip ...in disbelief...I can't wait till the world understands video games
lifeinthefridge
Cartman86
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!
I think you understand.
Cartman86
pikachumariachi
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
The Simpsons already said it better than all of us.
pikachumariachi
josh924
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
"Have you played Mass Effect?"
"No".
Right then, Geoff should have asked her "Then why are you talking about it?".
josh924
Dan Zuccarelli
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
pfft. if they think that Mass effect clip was sexist they should see this one [www.thebbps.com]
Dan Zuccarelli
Zero_Tact
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
I wish I could be such an ignorant [insert word here]AND GET PAID FOR IT. Gawd, I want to get out of this douche country.
Zero_Tact
d1sco_d3ath
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
I have one thing to say to all you people who keep saying "ZOMG IT'S TEH FAUX NEWS!!!!! PROPAGANDA ZOMG!!!!"
Just ask yourself one question.....would this discussion have went any different on any other mainstream media news channel? CNN? MSNBC? ABC?
I'll save you the trouble of answering: no.
d1sco_d3ath
EnigmaNemesis
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
I love when he asked if she played the game. And she had the "I am a holier than though sophisticated I hate men because I cant control them and they slept with my sister bitch" giggle!
Well there you go, you lost all credibility! Next!
EnigmaNemesis
Maximus9
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
This is just laughable. Fox just wants sensationalism, it doesn't matter if its 3 seconds or 30 hrs of sex, its something to fill up their time slot and get ratings. Man, those two chicks were like a couple of chipmunks...yak yak yak. As soon as Geoff shut them down on one point, they go with a blanket statement on another tangent like violence. But seriously, you guys expect more from Fox News?
Maximus9
d1gw33d
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
Anyone remember the kick ass titty shot in Doc Hollywood? Yes that is PG-13.
d1gw33d
Kavatar
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
I should clarify - it's a good thing nobody watches Fox News except for idiots.
It's sad though that Mass Effect is becoming targeted for a half a minute scene that is incredibly tame, and because nobody in the media actually bothers to play the video game, it's being completely misunderstood and the whole thing is snowballing.
Kavatar
Terrosaur the 56killa(SteamID, C4L 56KILLA is XBL)
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
Lmao.
I pretty much knew where this was going once I read FOX on the article.
Silly motherfuckers. Somehow credibility on any subject is going in the shithole as of late. Not Fox, they've had no credibility since the television was born. I mean just the media in general.
Excuse the language.
Terrosaur the 56killa(SteamID, C4L 56KILLA is XBL)
crim
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
Always nice to see Geoff Keighley but how could anyone call that lady an expert. Hasn't played the game, or any recent game, and doesn't know any facts. And only Fox news would consider four people with exactly the same opinion a reasonable "panel".
crim
josh924
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
"Why isn't this game rated AO?"
Gee, I dunno. Maybe because A) the game isn't all about sex and B) the sex they do show is about as graphic as a sex scene in a PG-13 movie?
josh924
Budkin
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
Faux news is the laughingstock of the media. It's pure propaganda as this clip so clearly demonstrates. Even going on one of their shows to argue against something they have deemed "unacceptable" is just setting yourself up.
Budkin
d1gw33d
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
It's time like this I realize how fucking stupid people are. Honestly.
d1gw33d
DicksonPoon
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
@EnigmaNemesis: Yeah, I noticed it after my post went up. This thing moves fast. My post came like 50 posts after yours did!
DicksonPoon
FullMetalJacket85
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
They just want to use video games as a scapegoat. When people admit to being bad parents then they'll stop blaming video games, or when some other media comes out. Maybe kids are so screwed up now because the parents pretty much act like they dont care about their children, or the complete opposite were they control every aspect of their childs life until they finally rebel when there teenagers. It makes me so damn angry listening to these people talk about something they know nothing about. When I watch this I feel like Im the only sane person in the united states...I gotta go lay down.
FullMetalJacket85
Leyland's_Lungs
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
the bright side is that these news trolls will forget about this next week when they move on to something else that is supposedly "ruining the moral fabric" of our country.
I bet if, one month from now, you asked anyone of the people on that panel what Mass Effect is, they'll have NO idea.
Leyland's_Lungs
Kavatar
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
It's a good thing nobody watches Fox News.
Kavatar
whatthegeek
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
Normally when I comment on stuff like this, I keep a level head, and go on and on about how the level headed among us (Keighly) need to take the time to educate the ignorant bla bla bla... I've said that enough times - this shit is fucking stupid.
Oh, the ESRB needs to have their heads examined? You need to have your fucking head examined you shithead - What? are you going to sort through hours of gameplay and assign Mass Effect a rating? No? Well then shut the fuck up. Fucking sensational, ratings-whoring fox news - I hate them beyond all words. By giving games such a negative image in the media (again, just for ratings) their potentially stifling technological advancement, and fucking damaging society. I absolutely hate when "journalists" (the people in this video don't deserve the title) go on and on about something they know nothing about. They crucify games or music or any other form of media without having their facts straight - it disgusts me. i'm physically sick to the stomache after watching that.
Sorry for the NSFW rant - read my other comments, I'm usually way more level headed when it comes to this topic... I'm also usually way less of a potty mouth.
whatthegeek
d1sco_d3ath
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
I like how the psychologist "expert" said: "I gotta go with the research!" Like...Keighley's first hand experience with the game and the industry means nothing in the face of some "university study" done by a punch of pricks....... and she just laughed at Keighley when he asked if she had ever played the effing game!!!
Like she is saying: "ha ha ha! why should I have to play a game before I criticize it for being virtual rape and "objectifying women"!?!?!?!"
GaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaH
*punches hole in the wall*
@Garcian_Smith: Good points man.
it's kind of funny that she says: "where is Atari and Pong and pacman?" because they are both still around and effecting the industry (Pacman C.E. anyone?). It shows just how little these people know about the industry they are criticizing.
d1sco_d3ath
EnigmaNemesis
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
@Witzbold:
That is a thing of beauty!
EnigmaNemesis
excalibre
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
You guys have to understand its just a generational gap. These people aren't the same one who grew up playing games with the same level of sophistication as we have.
Give it 10-15 years more, and I can guarantee the views shared on this board will become more mainstream. Just hang tight.
excalibre
robnubis
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
Its nice when a panel consists of 4 people with identical, misinformed opinions. Good show FOX.
robnubis
SuperCracker
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
Wow. The conservative propaganda strikes again. *Thumbs up*
And here in Alabama, it's all over the place.
SuperCracker
Kirbytheslayer: KirbySlayer (PSN)
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
I know this is completely immature and pointless, but that psychologist lady...There was something wrong with her. She reminded me of every pompous asshole who knew nothing, rolled into one. With just her face.
Though she must be right. There was one study, taken out of context, and with no definitive proof, that said that males are incapable of seeing women as anything other than sex objects.
@Adam: Hmmm...You seem to have not been to a theater in a while.
I've (quite literally) seen Pg-13 AND PG movies with more nudity than that.
Kirbytheslayer: KirbySlayer (PSN)
The_Saint
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
/roll eyes
Wow -these people need to get with it. They say it needs an AO rating for 30 seconds of side-boob; which is essentially no more than you'd see on Empty V's spring break programing.
And an ass? An alien's ass? OMG! Someone call the ass feds! Anyone remember NYPD Blue? THAT was an ass worth censoring and while it caused a stir, it was on TV (coincidentally, also NOT marketed to children as they claim ME was).
That dolt read MS's statement about parental control and play-timers, then swept right into saying that parent's are helpless to control their children unless they hover over them every second. Well, fuck me in the ass -she might as well have said, "parents shouldn't have to act like parents because every young boy is a porn-sniffing boob addict. And we all know that boobs will absolutely obliterate ALL developing minds and desensitize them to the point of utter sexual deviance. And it's up to a government body to regulate ONLY THE GAMING MEDIA that is and will ever be available to everyone, parent or not -because we have to think of kids -those -those BOOB LOVING DEVIL SPAWN!
The_Saint
dv8godd
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
AAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Fuck Faux News and their "panel".
Geoff Keighley vs. a group of jackasses that don't know the subject matter AT ALL. Great unbiased reporting there, assholes.
Thank you for the effort, Geoff... and I share your strong desire to bite my lip rather than scream my head off... but that was pointless. They never had any intention of "discussing" anything or even getting an informed opinion on the matter.
Disgusting.
dv8godd
MercuricOxide
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
Wow, the panel at the end seriously made me sick.
"What happens when the kid wants to play dad's video game??" - I'm not gonnna even go into laying out all the things faulty with that.
Even if someone older in the house purchased the game, it's still up to the parents to watch their child. If your child plays the 30 hours it takes to reach the sex scene, unknown by you, then you need to be more worried about your ability as a parent.
MercuricOxide
havoks
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
Don't you all wish it'd just turn 2040 already when our generation will be the ones heading the corporate news offices and the next "expose" will be about those new-fangled toys those darned kids are corrupting their minds with in those days?
havoks
mmmmmVidyagames
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
So wow. I am shocked and appalled that she's complaining about feminism and calling him darling.
I also laughed when she said she went on the internet site and 'tried to learn as much about it as possible,' by vaguely browsing the site...
mmmmmVidyagames
tmanflys
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
I thought that the love scene in Mass Effect was very tastefully done. If anyone has seen the movie "The Illusionist," it reminded me very much of that. However, their argument was completely biased. None of them had even seen what they were talking about, and not one of them even knew what they were talking about. They never once mentioned anything about movies either. One reporter mentioned that once the games are in the home, the kids will play them, but what kid would honestly pick up Mass Effect to play it for the love scene. Come on, as Geoff Keighley said, that's not what the game is about. Also, I think that there are PG-13 movies that are much more graphic and violent. These reporters just seem to want to control their children like Big Brother. ***Personally, I think that the media with all of their news stories about death and destruction are probably desensitizing kids the most to violence, as they are showing them that the real world is full of it and not full of good things as well.***
tmanflys
ese_incoherent
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
Wow what a bunch of uninformed stupid people. Really only someone that has played the game has the right to mutter an opinion. Knightly commands respect!
ese_incoherent
Ping5000
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
Bullshit.
Ping5000
EnigmaNemesis
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
@JohnRabbit:
Fox News wont talk about it. Unless they were rich white girls being murdered by foreign people in foreign countries!
EnigmaNemesis
ZinkO: can do italics now!
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
it's really odd. I went to their site and checked the video game section- no mention. However, they did have an okay piece up on Best and Worst Games of 07 (Halo 3 got Most Overrated).
ZinkO: can do italics now!
BryanGuitarDude
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
Can we go Postal on these so called journalists? Pretty please? =)
BryanGuitarDude
alphacigara
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
I can't stand how people can judge a game that they never played or even tried to do more than a google search on before exploding on the news about it.
I am glad that Geoff did a great job of explaining the game and shutting that bitch "psychologist" up, but his words were ultimately falling on deaf ears.
alphacigara
Hostile
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
Shouldn't you guys on the reporting side stop going on these shows just to get cut off all the time? You need at least a 60 Minute segment.
Hostile
Witzbold
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
[www.intoxination.net]
They forgot the real logo on the show!
Witzbold
Nabilac
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
The last guy speaking from that roundtable was the one that said it best, the parents are the ones that should be responsible for what games they get for their kids.
One more thing, I pity for the humans in this modern age where instead of assuming their adult responsibilities with dignity are instead acting like kids, blaming their problems on everyone else but themselves.
I'm tired of all this censorship discussion. I'm an adult, and I have the right to seek out my choices as long as they don't interfere with innocent bystanders.
/rant
Nabilac
Cuban__B
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
this is worse than 4chan on fox
Cuban__B
Gofthick
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
Why is it that games are the only media that you can bullshit about on national television without someone saying something?
You couldn't start condemning a movie or book you googled five minutes before broadcast, why are games any different?
The industry is bigger than Hollywood now, yet it's still treat as a children's media.
Fact is, parents aren't willing to take responsibility. As Keighley said, the 360 has parental controls. These parents don't know this however as they take no interest in their children's activities. If they actually spent some time with their kids looking into what they enjoy they could easily provide a safe and appropriate playing environment.
A good friend of mine was fired from a games store recently for informing parents of the content of age restricted games that were being purchased for their children because it was detrimental to sales! If the stores aren't trying to uphold the laws and the parents are too stupid to look on the back of a box, then it's little wonder they act so surprised when they realise that GTA contains murder, sex and mindless violence.
Gofthick
Gadzooks149
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
GRRRRRRR. I know all of this is just one big troll on videogamers.... but i HATE HATE HATE HATE Ignorant people.
Gadzooks149
Witzbold
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
This = failure.
FAUX NEWS DOES IT AGAIN!
Witzbold
Neopolitian
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
The real crime here is posting something from fox 'news'. They should take responsibility for their lies. Lying about everything is a lot worse than nudity. Goddamn.
Neopolitian
EnigmaNemesis
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
@SonOfBhaal:
I don't know about you guys, but personally, I always value a woman who can save the universe from total and utter annihilation.
And looking sexy while doing it! That always earns bonus points!
EnigmaNemesis
JohnRabbit
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
A second thought:
I can't WAIT until they get wind of Resident Evil 5: Negro Mongloid Murder Mayhem Madness!.
CANNOT. WAIT.
I would be embarassed to call myself a journalist and admit ON TELEVISION, that I hadn't done any research on my ARTICLE until the DAY OF ITS TAPING.
JohnRabbit
EnigmaNemesis
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
@DicksonPoon:
Yeah, i corrected myself here...
@EnigmaNemesis:
Either way, they both go ape-shit on half brained nitwits, "falling Down" more so in common with what I was feeling.
EnigmaNemesis
Obijuan
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
My god it takes you 15+ hours to get a 10 second shot of a side boob, that is just way way to much work for a young kid who wants his nudity fix for that day.
Obijuan
balls187
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
1. the game isn't for 6 year olds.
2. if you're a parent, and you buy your kid M rated games, and you're upset with the content, you're a stupid fucking parent.
3. If you've never played the game and say that it's a mix between Luke Skywalker and Debbie Does Dallas, you are a stupid fucking human.
4. Fox News is the devil.
balls187
SonOfBhaal
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
@spaulding360: Seriously, don't respond. It's so not even worth it.
SonOfBhaal
EnigmaNemesis
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
@JohnRabbit:
Pics with Divx!
EnigmaNemesis
Squanderdalfast
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
my fav line, in response to parents need to be involved in what their kids see. "It is [true] unfortinately. That makes parenting a much harder job than it needs to be." really? really?
i love people.
the internet is serious business.
-dan
Squanderdalfast
That Girl Hates You
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
Also its FOX...
OK Now I'm done
That Girl Hates You
havoks
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
"Luke Skywalker meets Debbie Does Dallas." ... haha.
havoks
MajorWedgie
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
FULL digital nudity?.. I saw those videos.. They were as covered up as a TV Soap Drama sex scene. Their is absolutely no full nudity in the game, in fact DOA has more nudity. But no one bitches there. People gotta drop the act and argue over whats really bothering them. The fact that there IS sex in an M rated game. Why are people trying to make it sound worse than what it is? They do, however have a case in which an M rated game does have sex in it, and their children are discovering it. ALTHOUGH, M stands for mature - so i take that back. They don't have a case. It's all the irresponsible parents' fault who give their young children these games and ignore the rating system.
Aye... people are just so stupid.. No one ever wants to take the blame, even when its so obvious its their fault..
MajorWedgie
DicksonPoon
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
@EnigmaNemesis: I think you meant "Falling Down"? "Walking Tall" (the one I'm thinking of, anyway) stars the Rock.
Anyway, After watching this clip and cringing through its entirety, I know a few people who need to be paired off and given the "one cup" treatment... Wouldn't be much different than what I just saw in the clip (people talking shit about something they know nothing about, then each one of them taking turns regurgitating the same shit).
Speaking of which, why don't they do a story about that? That site is incredibly easy accessible by anyone with a computer and an Internet connection.
Won't anyone think of the children?!
DicksonPoon
EnigmaNemesis
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
Fox news, where our cameras are glued to dead rich blond white girls in a foreign country, but not the poor dead Black, Hispanic, Asian, Native American girls in our own country!
Someone had to say it!
EnigmaNemesis
SonOfBhaal
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
Also: "They don't show women as being valued for anything other than their sexuality."
I don't know about you guys, but personally, I always value a woman who can save the universe from total and utter annihilation.
SonOfBhaal
y2julio
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
@spaulding360: [www.google.com] :) I heard it's very good at finding things you are looking for. :p
y2julio
josh924
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
IMO, Kevin Mcullough and anyone else who thinks that Mass Effect is all about sex should watch Mass Effect: Sci vs Fi or at the very least watch the trailer for it. If they did, they'd see that Mass Effect is nothing like they thought it'd be.
josh924
balls187
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
I blame kotaku. Had ya'll not blogged about it, there wouldn't be this media uproar.
First rule about alien lesbo sex scene:
YOU DONT TALK ABOUT ALIEN LESBO SEX SCENE.
Besides, this is Fox News, which has as much journalistic integrity as Cracked Magazine.
balls187
Garcian_Smith
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
Outside of Keighley, that has to be one of the most uninformed, craze-inducing pieces of rubbish I have ever heard.
There are plenty of choice quotes from this piece, but my 'favourite' has to be: "Is Luke Skywalker meets Debbie Does Dallas a good thing? I don't think so." Perhaps the stupidest thing I've ever heard, and I study politics!
The funny thing is, they kept going on about the 'state today' of children. In fact, I think this whole ordeal has displayed how problematic discussing such matters is.
We keep telling them (and I use 'we' because we're in this together) until we're blue in the face that these games DO NOT contain the suggestive themes that they proclaim, and that as video games become more and more complex (in terms of visuals, sound etc), then naturally story lines will also become adjacently complex.
"I feel so old, what happened to Atari and Pong?" Said one moronic Fox News panelist. Well, what happened to cinema? Does she honestly think films like Dead Man's Shoes, The Woodsman or Fight Club would have been allowed back in the 50's?
Just in case these catastrophically ignorant people are reading this, let me make this final point:
Video games, as a medium, is still in it's infancy. Much like any other medium - the press, film, television, it's youth is almost counter-productive. It's a very decentralised medium, with the larger community struggling to accept it as a comfortable medium unlike the aforementioned forms of communication.
You have to stop this "Won't someone think of the children?" attitude, because The Simpsons parodied that a long time ago, and you didn't listen.
Garcian_Smith
logical
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
@Khabi: I agree. That guy seems like a total square.
Fox News is shit-falvored shit, with shit filling.
That is all.
logical
JohnRabbit
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
I couldn't hear the entire segment over the noise of me passionately humping my Sexbox.
Games?
JohnRabbit
d1sco_d3ath
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
d1sco_d3ath
spaulding360
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
oh my fucking god! who is this bitch (the main anchor) and how do we email her ... anyone know? nice integrity do some fucking research before you open your mouth you cow!
spaulding360
That Girl Hates You
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
ARGH
Thats my response oh and going "LALALALA, you don't know what you are talking about."
Come on the sex in there is tasteful and beautiful and not very reviling... Come on Matrix is/was market to adolescent boys yet look at their sex scene.
OK No more of this... Or else I'll just get angrier, back to playing Some Mass Effect.
That Girl Hates You
EnigmaNemesis
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
@bohlberg:
ROFL ... thanks!
EnigmaNemesis
Tiberian
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
Lmao. Shes funny. If you read the back of a book, do you know what the full contents of said book is about? Or if you watch a trailer for a movie, have you seen the whole movie?
Geoff did the best he could before being cut off, the fact is Mass Effect has nothing to do with sex. Its a small love scene near the end of the game, that he rightly pointed out not everyone will get. Got to love how they basically gave him no chance to talk compared to the woman though that seemed to have a huge opinion from what she even admitted was "just trailers" off the internet.
Just another excuse to complain about videogames.
Tiberian
bohlberg
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
No one will have sex with me in real life, and no one in Mass Effect wanted to either.
bohlberg
bluecell
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
"When you buy your video games...which I just had my first experience recently...you have to pick up the box and look at the back for the rating."
What backwards ass game was she shopping for? Every game I own has the ESRB rating clearly printed on the FRONT cover.
She mentions that twice.
And as for the panel, the last guy was the only one who seemed to have the right idea.
bluecell
lotkrota
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
Forget to mention the idiot that suggested an adults only rating for the game. That's like suggesting that Braveheart should have been rated X...
lotkrota
okenny :)
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
@dead_red_eyes: ooohhhh! Good one! Can I use that?
okenny :)
y2julio
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
I'm not sure because I never had the need to do it but I thought the 360 parental control would also restrict what type of games kids could play, eg: Rated E-M. If thats right then that just makes the 3 panelists point moot. Seems to me like she doesn't even want adults/husbands to be playing Rated M+ games.
y2julio
SonOfBhaal
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
Ignore these people. Don't watch the channel. Don't give a second's thought to anything that they're saying. This doesn't matter and it won't affect your life. The ONLY thing that you can do by responding to this is show that their particular brand of idiocy is worth purveying for the buzz.
Btw, $100 says that the only reason this is coming up at this stage is because of that idiot who wrote the article on Mass Effect being some sort of virtual-rape-a-tron. Because people responded to it as a controversial story, Fox News picked it up. Go figure.
SonOfBhaal
dead_red_eyes
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
@okenny :):
It's not "Fox" my friend, it's "Faux".
:D
dead_red_eyes
Zilor
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
Holy crap, I hate these people. They are so damned stupid.
The guy goes it's the parents job to regulate things, then that damned owman says unfortunately.
I wanted to force feed her a box of Tigers.
Zilor
EnigmaNemesis
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
@EnigmaNemesis:
Sorry the movie is "Falling Down" ... damn they have my head spinning!
EnigmaNemesis
lotkrota
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
I'm sad that no one mentions Walmart, Best Buy, Circuit City, or Gamestop's carding policy. My 44 year old dad got carded for buying an M rated game. He doesn't have to get carded when he buys alcohol, but he does when he buys a game.
lotkrota
Glasseater
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
ughh, the ignorance that went on in there little chat they had afterwards made me sick... "luke skywalker meets debbie dose dallas" whatever you half-rate journalist.
Glasseater
cry0tek
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
Wow...they know absolutely NOTHING about the d*** game and yet they act all high and mighty. That video made me sick. *barf* How ignorant are these people?!!
cry0tek
qbix
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
I'm trying not to laugh, I really am. But in all seriousness, this is very much expected of Fox news... or a great percentage of conservative adults who don't know what a "parental control" is or doesn't care about video games at any level. We need to be in positions where we can expose and educate audiences about this form of entertainment. And even then, I think Fox will continue to be infested with ignorant drones.
qbix
dead_red_eyes
Posted 1:43 PM 22/1/08
Mainstream Media is such a fucking joke, and is chock full of lies & deception. It's the main reason why I never watch the news anymore. It's fucking rediculous.
dead_red_eyes
okenny :)
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