@Wolfkin: OH LORD YES. Pichu was the most ignorant fighter in fighting history. Unless you was just a nice person playing against a friend who needed a MAJOR handicap, lol.

Dmoney05

@Hitokage:
Actually, we weren't even sure Brawl existed until the May 06 E3 trailer.

ZinkO

@Hitokage: but they didn't give a date till december.

thejakeman: Is unoriginal

@Tonx: So we can expect to see some Brain Age demos then?

Aflack: Likes slushies

Mega Man! Still have time to add him..

DrLight

@willy626:

You obviously don't remember much, do you?

E3 2005, Super Smash Brothers online game announced for launch of the "Revolution"

November 19th, 2006, no Super Smash, pushed back to early 2007.

Early 2007, nothing... pushed back to summer.

Summer 2007, pushed back to December.

Fall 2007, pushed back to January

Late Winter 2007, pushed back to February

January 2008, pushed back to March.

I wonder what's next. ;D

Hitokage

@DarkLuigi: You mean the clones? Because if anything that's probably it...

...nothing but production problems came because of this delay...and it will be post because it'll be out in Japan...

JGab

Guys guys guys guys - there's an entire story about the Smash Bros Brawl delay. Redirect your comments there. There's a link in the article you neglected to read.

So anyway back to the article... I think that Nintendo is going to steal the 'game developer's conference' part of GDC... that is to say, that the reason everyone is there is going to be completely owned by Nintendo this time around, and all others are merely going to be bringing their demos, which game developers are interested in, but don't really benefit from. I think that this year, above all others, is going to be Nintendo's chance to show the gaming industry how Nintendo has succeeded so brilliantly in the last three to four years.

Tonx

Guaranteed the delay is a marketing move to look less like a gaming drought come time for MGS4 and GTA4 to come out for the other systems.

Like someone else mentioned in the delay thread.

EnigmaNemesis

Also, Squenix will be talking about Wii Ware lifecycle wrt FFCC:LK.

Torgen thinks AAA has lost all meaning

@Apollo:

Don't worry. I'll never stop hoping for Megaman until I finally hear that someone has completed all the challenges and not unlocked him.

I've want Megaman in Smash Bros since I touched the original.

My hope, however, lies in the bold word below.

"but, Nintendo hasn't asked me yet if they can use Mega Man in their game."

Like I've said, just because they didn't tell him doesn't mean it's not happening. Considering that Inafune didn't control the artistry of the Zero series and, subsequently, ZX, I'm not so confident that he has a lot of say with Megaman anymore.

Mact

they are NOT delaying to add extra characters. you can't add a new character in 3 weeks, lol. Prolly just a production issue, or some such. I'm sure the game itself has been done, aside from maybe minor bugfixing, since late December.

ZinkO

@MaxVest:

Just as odd as a Japanese delay of one week equaling a month delay of the US version, despite the fact that the Japanese release already was going to have two and a half week jump on the market.

I'm not saying the whole release was caused by GDC. That'd be a bit absurd. I'm simply saying that the reason for the extensive US delay could plausibly be for the aforementioned reason.

Mact

@DarkLuigi: I don't seek to destroy hope! =)

I, too, hope for more characters.

langis-langley

@shrewd:

2)
rabid gamer #1 - "OHMHZ! I'M SO EXCITED!"
rabid gamer #2 - "SHADDUP! I WANNA HEAR THE INTRO!"
announcer - "SUPER SMASH BROS... MELEE!!!!"

gamers - "WHAT THE HELL!?!"

Mact

It should be a rule that the Wii Menu should not be analysed. 5 years ago: "yeah, I made the GameCube menu, it's like... a cube. Any questions?"

awkward91

How come everytime I see that Game N Watch (sp?) character he always looks like hes ready to give oral sex? God...theres something wrong with me.

Skitzoap

Off topic warning, about the pic used.

Why can the internets no longer procure that image in its original form. Look at Bowser's flowing red locks. Notice the bad use of the rubber stamp tool that was overlooked. The clouds blend into his hair. I swear I had a pristine version of that image as a wallpaper on my lappy a while back and I deleted it. Try as I might I always come across that crummy version you've posted right there.

ptolemy

My guesses as to what caused the delay:

1. Online needed fixing
2. Oh noes! Accident at the factory where they're making Brawl discs

shrewd

Eh Nintendo did this with Twilight Princess and now this, you wait so damn long, you read so much about it, and then when it finally comes out, you have found something else you care more about. I still wonder if they are going to wait and kick it back for a big summer release. If so prepare to wait till Xmas for Mario Kart.

daizyujin

@Mact: Here ya go. Read the whole article (although I know the headline is going to deter you), and you can see a glimmer of hope in there for the ol' Blue bomber.

[kotaku.com]

Apollo

"blood involved?" In Smash Bros?

I blame Snake... he probably snuck it in. :p

fuchikoma

@Mact: It would seem odd to delay the US release, foregoing money Nintendo could be making sooner, in order to capitalize on a selling point that couldn't be used to drive launch sales in Japan.

MaxVest

He will be able to call it a post-mortem because he will personally execute the guy high enough on the totem pole to receive blame, but low enough to avoid credit. Maybe an assistant executive art director or something like that.

Ghede

@DarkLuigi:

And all the characters would be crap.

That's not why they delayed it.

Moron.

Mact

@MaxVest:

Why not?

I'm aware that it will be out in Japan, but not for such an extended time that it would be a ridiculous notion to announce a final third party. This is especially true when you consider the fact that all third party characters will be hidden in game. The final third party could simply be one of the more complicated unlockables.

Also, GDC is hosted in the US, a territory that will not have had a Brawl release yet.

It would certainly explain why the US release is being pushed back so much farther than the Japanese release.

Mact

@evernight: you convinced your brother to travel a thousand miles just to play brawl? I think we need to address that first.

@SithNinja: because that's a Melee photo not a Brawl one. Haha. Can't you see Pichu at the top. If anyone gets cut I promise you the first will be Pichu.

Wolfkin

@Aflack: Likes slushies:
U dont have to say it like that, and if nintendo gets to it they CAN DO IT.

DarkLuigi

You guys DO realize that we we will find out who all of the playable characters are once the game is released in Japan, right? Well, maybe a little after, depending on how long it takes for people to unlock them...

thefais

@TomSkylark:

SHAKESHAKESHAKE!!!!

Or, you could wait two weeks, in which time some crazed importer/Japanese gamer will sit without sleep until they unlock everything. That, or someone will just crack open the code and simply read all the characters.

SHAKESHAKE!!!

Mact

Just reiterating what previous posters have said. Assuming the game launches January 31 in Japan as currently planned, it shouldn't be too hard to do a postmortem in mid-late February.

@Mact: Given the game will have already launched in one territory (hypothetically), it doesn't seem likely they would be saving any character announcements for GDC.

MaxVest

@Nintenboy01:

Seriously?

Are you that ignorant?

Mact

@xpnet:

That'd be funny if it were probable.

Japan will be eating the game up quicker than we will.

Mact

@willy626:

You seem to not understand that the disappointment is BECAUSE of the hype.

Spore doesn't have daily updates concerning it.

I'm in huge anticipation for Starcraft 2, but I'm calmly waiting because Blizzard hasn't gone through the trouble of beating drums and starting a march towards release like Nintendo has.

For one, Sakurai clearly stated on the original Brawl site that he wouldn't even bother with regular updates until the game was practically finished. I understand the delay from December to February. That was all marketing. It would have killed sales of Galaxy, which would have been really bad considering the huge reception the game has received.

However, the recent delay is about a month for the States and merely a week for Japan. How much work can they do on a game in a week's time?

Mact

Why is Mario AND Dr. Mario shown in the group photo? Is Dr. Mario a seperate playable? If so I would look forward to playing "Dr." with Peach..... yeah.... that's right.... I could eat a Peach for hours....

SithNinja

I hope that this delay is related with Mega Man X being added to Smash Brothers, then it is worth the delay.

If it is about the online component, I am not really banking on that because every game I have played on the Wii so far has been bad when it comes to online play.

Just focus on getting good characters and that is what is going to make the game sale.

RockmanX20

I can already see the US magazine headlines: Princess Peach Baby Bump?!

Robotube

It was delayed so they could add all of the characters from MVC2. Ken and servbot vs. ness and sonic. Hell yea.

San

@Mact: That sounds more realistic considering each 3rd party has been announced at a conference. I will not get my hopes up though.

Aflack: Likes slushies

@Apollo:

Nope. Never saw that interview, so a source would be nice.

Though, as someone else said before, the fact that Inafune hadn't heard about Brawl doesn't mean a whole lot. Capcom simply could have not told him.

Mact

@DarkLuigi:
Yeah, I'm sure they used that extra week to add in 5 new characters.

/sarcasm

Aflack: Likes slushies

Holy crap.

That's why they delayed Brawl.

The damn GDC!

I know it sounds absurd, but my bet is that the final third part character gets announced during GDC.

Third party inclusions are huge deals. It's not something to casually announce on the Dojo.

Want examples? See Sonic and Snake.

My bet is on the final char being revealed then.

Mact

@willy626: Well, the delay wouldn't bother me nearly so much if I hadn't talked my brother into flying a thousand miles to play through a week-long SSBB tournament with an extended circle of friends...in late February.

***GRRRRRR***

evernight

@TomSkylark: Wow. That's the coolest character idea in recent speculation history! I'd prefer a Guardian Heroes character, since they have more moves to really work with, but anything Treasure would float my boat ;)

I really can't wait to see the secret characters.

onidavin

@langis-langley:
Sorry dude but dont get my hopes down and yeah those two.

DarkLuigi

MegaMan better be in Brawl.
I'll keep hoping.. and hoping.. and hoping.

Sanada_Yukishiro

@DarkLuigi: Humor me with a link.

And just to avoid any potential misunderstandings: I'm aware of Pikmin and Olimar. If that's who you're talking about then no worries.

langis-langley

I do think it would be nice if Sakurai at all would just give us a number of playable characters or something in order to alleviate the delay annoyances. Maybe? I don't care too much about the delay (well, I am disappointed a little), but it's more annoying just having the characters remain so vague...

Which is all obscurantist speech for "I wanna beat up on Captain Falcon with Marina Lightyears."

Shake shake.

TomSkylark

I hope they really take the extra month to polish Brawl to perfection and hopefully add Ridley in as a playable fighter.

Nintenboy01

Really, just give me a Duck Hunt stage where you have to dodge ducks, gunshots and that damn dog randomly runs around a trips up the players.

smitty1123

I'm starting to think SSBB is nothing but VAPORWARE.

The Great Aussie Evil

I guess Sony will win this GDC this year too. In terms of what they are showing ofc.

Irenicus-the one and only

Delay!! What delay?? LOL

Nintendo Public Relation Team :(We don't think Smash will sell well in Japan.. [Hmmm..] Them American's are crazy they will just import about 250k copies if release a month later and repurchase them.. Thats would be a ton of more sales wouldn't it?

xpnet

Well, GDC is Feb 18-22 so that WOULD technically be a postmortem for the Japanese version of Brawl which launches Jan. 31st.

Chillblain

Ah, Nintendo and their delays. Somethings don't change, same with their game droughts. =P

DigitalHero

@uknow_what_it_is:

What difference does it make? Spore, SSBB, they're all still just games. A delay isn't the end of the world. Most games get delayed, it's not gonig to kill you. If a game being delayed is the worst thing that has happened to you lately, you've got it pretty good.

Mr.Waffleton

"I hope he'll also detail how exactly he's doing a postmortem on a game that hasn't yet launched. I suspect there was a lot of screaming... and blood involved."

Except that it was only delayed a week in Japan so it will have already launched by February. Sad, I know but games do sometimes launch in other countries first.

agies

LOOK WILLY626 Spore is not the same type of game that SSBB is, if u aren't a fan u can never understand...

uknow_what_it_is

i hope the wii fit board is a new playable character in SSBB!!!

Darthearl

@langis-langley:
Look it up on youtube. U might find something.

DarkLuigi

I dont understand this ridiculous amount of bitching over the release date being pushed back only 4 months from when we thought wed be getting it initially. Ive been waiting for spore for over a year and a half and I hear less whining about that.

Good grief nintendites, its the most ambitious thing ive seen in awhile just from the dojo, and here you go acting like a delay is unheard of and uncalled for.

willy626

Wonder whats new in NINTENDO

DarkLuigi

@DarkLuigi: Proof?

langis-langley

@DarkLuigi: Things they revealed on the site should have been, and most likely were already done.

And I hate to get people's hopes up, but does anyone else remember the interview with Sakurai on having Megaman in Brawl? He said that they nwould just need more time, and the fact that he and Inafune haven't talked about it...

*fingers crossed*

Apollo

Come on new characters in brawl
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

lifeinthefridge

voice chat please?

ProfWho

All three of those sound like a wonder to attend... although while Smash Bros certainly interests me, (go figure), the Wii Fit and Wii Menu talks sound much more interesting. Philosophical and cultural approaches to games are my spare time bread and butter. I would love to hear Sawano speak.

Tonx

@uknow_what_it_is:
Yes i will be good. Why u ask because of the new characters they added

DarkLuigi

BRAVO "clap clap" BRAVO

DarkLuigi

They better explaining this damn delay...and it better...be...GOOD!

uknow_what_it_is

Who actually thinks they are going to add more characters in one week? Anyone? I hope not. That's not to say there won't be more characters in the game than they've announced (that's almost a given really), but it's EXTREMELY unlikely they'd use the extra week to add a new character into Brawl. The ONLY possible way I could even see that happening is if they had a character they wanted to stick in the game but as release neared, it looked like they would have to cut them because they were too buggy even though they were very close to being done with them thus delaying it a week. However, that is incredibly unlikely. Probably more unlikely than winning the lottery.

Samos42

@Mact:
look im not a moron and u dont have to use these words i simply am posting a comment. i know whats going on im just thinking beyond the obvious.

DarkLuigi

I find it really interesting and/or amusing that everyone's crying foul over the SSBB delay, and griping that Nintendo titles regularly suffer delays...

And yet, nearly every 3rd party game for the Wii, along with scathing reviews, there are always accusations of rushing titles out the door, complaints that they should have taken the time to get it right.

Let's review: 3rd Party titles rush to market, and (with a few excellent exceptions) are universally panned, while Nintendo titles are delayed, even multiple times, and when they do come out receive glowing love fest reviews. I speculate that perhaps it's that extra time to get it right that makes a large part of the difference.

Of course, then there are the people who jump in after a stellar 1st party release, claiming that it's just another example of how Nintendo is killing 3rd party support... Wha?? I doubt anyone at Nintendo is pressuring other devs to get product on the shelf at the expense of quality. I think it's the devs' bean counters doing that.

mikeymix

Every time I see or hear the word "trifecta" I can't help but think of Pineapple Express. LMAO. Its so time to go home from work.

AsWater

@DrLight: If they don't add him?

...I wish you a peaceful death if your invention doesn't make the ranks, Dr. Light.

blacksamurai87

All they need to do is announce a demo through the Wii Ware Channel and I'll be fine. Or maybe release the demo to retailers early.

KM91

@mikeymix: People get pissed at Nintendo because if you're smart, you shouldn't have to delay a game. It's because they promise a release date far earlier than they can handle to make it to. That's why they're pissed.

Samos42

MARTHA STEWART PLAYABLE CHARACTER IN BRAWL. CONFIRMED

Kempatsu

The man himself said

"A delayed game is eventually good. A bad game is bad forever."

OtakuboyT

@Hitokage:

The E3 2005 'release date' was a faux date to begin with.

When they said that, not only wasn't the game in development, but they didn't even have a team together to start the game.

Mact

i really dont care that much if they delay it some more as long as marth get in ill be happy if not then i can always kick butt with sheik and zelda

lancerzero1