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Why Isn't CES Filling E3's Gaping, Festering Hole?
Posted by Kotaku US Edition at 5:40 AM on January 15, 2008
I'm by no means an E3 or CES (Consumer Electronics Show) veteran, having attended both shows only twice (and the "classic" E3 only once). But compared to foreign events like Leipzig's Games Convention, Berlin's IFA (tech show that rivals CES) or Tokyo's TGS, the two American shows had/have a distinct identity from their overseas counterparts. Maybe it's the attendance of people with similar values to my own (aka sucking both gasoline and fast food with no abandon), but this similarity, however trivial it may be, has made me wonder why CES isn't filling in the gaps of E3. While I'd never expect developers to attend in mass (and frankly, there isn't room), why don't Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo use the CES stage as a launching ground for their next year of products?
It's nationalism, one could argue. After all, Sony and Nintendo are Japanese companies. And last year, American company Microsoft debuted their Xbox 360's IPTV at CES. But the truth is, Sony, at least, doesn't hold out their good announcements for Japan.
Leipzig won for gaming announcements last year, with Sony unveiling the PS3's DVR, PSP multiplayer syncing with the PS3, and all sorts of neat PSP communication/navigation apps.
The real problem with unveiling such electronic consumer products at CES is that companies like Sony aren't prepping the PS3 to be a DVR in America, let alone the PSP (which requires a wireless digital television signal that doesn't exist in our country). For reasons of either infrastructure (or sometimes stupidity?) video game companies are missing huge hardware opportunities at CES (and America).
Why doesn't Nintendo, in their crafted for the general public attitude, unveil WiiFit to a fat nation that's hungry for weight loss schemes (not as a game at E3, but a real consumer product at CES)? Why doesn't Sony roll out PSP GPS for a country that drives more than any other?
Oh, and timing isn't a great argument either, since CES's proximity to no major holiday makes it the perfect venue to announce technologies that are still inches out of reach.
Frankly, it's shortsightedness and limited thinking on both company's parts. Sony may have excited a few with their promising Blu-ray to PSP transfers, and while admittedly a big step in the right directions, such technology is almost an insult when compared to what we're bound to see from the company in the next year: an incredible digital movie store and/or phones that sync with PS3s...let alone whatever crazy peripherals Nintendo is dreaming up.
The truth is, every major player today is attempting to not only succeed in this generation of consoles, but expand the market in the meantime. Nintendo hopes that your grandma plays brain training or casual titles, Sony hopes that high end home theater enthusiast will seek unparalleled media connectivity and Microsoft hopes to wade moderately into each of these respective pots with titles like Buzz and movies that can be downloaded to your TV.
So why miss an opportunity to speak to the non-gamer public who is willing to spend a bundle on things that plug in? America might not have 1seg capability, but we're not exactly cooking our pterodactyl burgers over an open flame, either.

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slacker164
Posted 1:31 PM 14/1/08
I think CES should stay as it is. I have nothing against a proper fill in for the old E3, but CES already has it's own identity. It's an electronics show, not a gaming show. If it gets taking over by gaming, then we'll just need a new show to replace CES to show off all the other non-gaming gadgets. Gaming has gotten too big to simply be a part of a consumer electronics show, despite the obvious overlap. We need separate venues for gaming and non-gaming electronics, which is why E3 came to be in the first place. CES is fine just the way it is as a showcase for non-gaming specific electronics. While it may not be especially interesting to most of us here in Kotaku land, CES isn't really for us, and a lot of home theater buffs and gadget geeks would be really pissed if the gaming industry barged in and took it over.
slacker164
NoBullet
Posted 1:24 PM 14/1/08
E3 started because CES used to be the place to show new games. But it was getting too big, so they made their own show- E3. Why would they go back?
NoBullet
jgross
Posted 1:06 PM 14/1/08
From what i've seen at CES (particularly this year) is that a lot of the stuff debuted there are prototypes geared towards buyers, at least for the smaller companies. there was some gaming stuff (wii 'lightsaber' and 'pistol' models? hah) there, and dell had their voodoo displays, but i know what you're saying.
it seems like it will be more focused on the sessions next year, rather than the hardware/tech displays.
as gaming and hollywood come closer each year, the panels will (hopefully) continue in the right direction and allow some really interesting insight that can only come from combined viewpoints that originate outside the general videogame industry, and what we see at GDC.
theoretically.
jgross
thebluick
Posted 12:48 PM 14/1/08
@C4WDeX: No, I was the guy who mentioned the ASUS Eee PC when Olivia walked out into the crowd.
thebluick
Hiero Glyph
Posted 12:46 PM 14/1/08
@ceilingFANBOY: sponsor me for PBP, link in profile: This is where it gets tricky as the high-end user may only account for 5-10% of the total market, yet make up for 20-25% of the total sales. So although I do see your point in the very top-of-the-line hardware it is the minority for the overall market.
CES is a great venue to showcase the televisions of the coming year, but unless there is a reason for consumers to purchase these systems (read: the Pats in the SuperBowl, the Celtics in the Finals, or Gears of War 2) the hardware is often overlooked. Only when the demand is valid does the consumer normally ever consider making such an investment. Keep in mind that all these new technologies also mean a lower cost on the current generation of televisions and that is where the majority of the market will spend its money.
Hiero Glyph
Papa Midnight
Posted 12:46 PM 14/1/08
@DasKonstruct: Close? More like Next Door over. Literally.
Papa Midnight
verrius
Posted 12:40 PM 14/1/08
@stennex: GDC is more a venue for developers to get together and talk about "Hey, you know that cool thing you saw in that game we put out last year? Here's kinda how we did it," than a venue for major product announcements. The keynote speakers seem to like to announce things, and yes there is a floor dedicated to showing off upcoming/just released stuff, but its more developer-focused than consumer-focused.
verrius
Moonchilde
Posted 12:35 PM 14/1/08
This article brings up a very good point. With the way the big 3 are playing now, you'd think they'd steal a little of the spotlight here. Not for games, for all the other functionalities these consoles have now.
Moonchilde
ballaboy311
Posted 12:35 PM 14/1/08
@C4WDeX: I like Adam and Morgan I just hate what they have them say and do. Adam is very intelligent and knows what he is talking about on the subject of games. I just hate the skits that they put them in and the dialouge they are forced to say.
ballaboy311
stennex
Posted 12:33 PM 14/1/08
Computer Electronics Sow
Computer Electronics Sow
Computer Electronics Sow
Not Gaming.
Gamers Development Conference (GDC) for games.
Sony did a great job at CES showing off the technical capabilities of the PSP.
Skype
Blu-Ray movie transfer to the PSP for movie on the go.
GPS navigation.
Camera capabilities
Better Remote connection.
At GDC they will talk about games. Hopefully little big planet will be able to play on the PSP. Final Fantasy, GT5 maybe.
Anyway Sony on track for 2008.
stennex
C4WDeX
Posted 12:29 PM 14/1/08
@thebluick: As long as you weren't the black(ish) guy that was rooting every second he was on camera... That's pretty damn cool.
If that was you, I'm really sorry to have said anything.
C4WDeX
RPGr
Posted 12:28 PM 14/1/08
I don't mind the death of developer shows.
If only the death of the "Xmas" season where they release a bajillion dollars worth of games would die too.
RPGr
thebluick
Posted 12:26 PM 14/1/08
@C4WDeX: I was actually on live tv on day 1 CES on G4. I was interviewed by olivia munn... the weird thing was I was about the only person around their stage that wasn't a paid extra. If you DVR'd the show everytime you see a person in the "Crowd" without a badge around their neck they were a paid extra. it kinda made me a little upset to see it actually.
thebluick
Vegasadelphia
Posted 12:26 PM 14/1/08
Don't forget that E3 was born out of CES. E3 was formed because games and game hardware were ignored and given too little room to showcase when surrounded by the tech hungry CES folks.
Vegasadelphia
DigiMish
Posted 12:24 PM 14/1/08
because according to the floor plans of the CES, Microsoft had the biggest space... right smack dab in the middle. I'm guessing that wouldn't sit too well with Sony and Nintendo.
I still think they should bring the old E3 back. It was the only hoorah! moment of video game developers in the US, and a time for them to show off cool toys.
DigiMish
thebluick
Posted 12:23 PM 14/1/08
While I will admit there was very little video game news coming out of ces... I did get to play some little big planet, patapon, and heard about an older game that sounds kinda cool called Entropia Universe...
thebluick
Zunnoab
Posted 12:21 PM 14/1/08
Someone had me convinced it was announced at CES Square-Enix is remaking Final Fantasy VI for the PS3. I was like OMG OMG OMG OMG then I checked online and he said "his friend told him." Alas...
Even if it doesn't fill the E3 gap it's still cool to hear about all kinds of gadgetry.
Zunnoab
Deadeyereborn
Posted 12:21 PM 14/1/08
@C4WDeX: Agreed I have seen Adam on the loop he is very intelligent and articulate way more than kevin or the pure eye candy olivia.
Deadeyereborn
C4WDeX
Posted 12:20 PM 14/1/08
@ballaboy311: Adam and Morgan are the only two hosts left from TechTV. And having meeted them, they are really down to earth and passionate about what they do.
They don't choose to be stupid, it's the writers at G4 that makes them stupid.
C4WDeX
Deadeyereborn
Posted 12:18 PM 14/1/08
I went to CES and I saw almost no Video game related stuff I think that PAX will fill the E3 void every year it gets bigger and better.
Deadeyereborn
ballaboy311
Posted 12:18 PM 14/1/08
@C4WDeX: I didnt even want to watch the coverage after they cut off the Halo 3 trailer during E3. I really don't like G4 even with the new format for Xplay. It's still going to be the same stupid skits and the same stupid hosts.
ballaboy311
C4WDeX
Posted 12:14 PM 14/1/08
@ballaboy311: G4 has never been worth watching. Although I may check out the new daily X-Play in hope there is some old The Screen Savers charm left somewhere...
Ever since G4/Comcast completely bastardized TechTV, *sniff* *sob* excuse me.
C4WDeX
ballaboy311
Posted 12:11 PM 14/1/08
@C4WDeX: Just felt right to say. Sorry. I would have liked to see some more information from the big 3 video game companies at CES. Since I did watch the coverage on G4 just to see if anyone announced anything that was worth watching G4 over.
ballaboy311
Irenicus
Posted 12:10 PM 14/1/08
It is enough with GDC, TGS, Leipzig and E3 tbh, and dice etc. But I still think it was a huge misstake to let E3 go, even if it was a hassle, don't be so damn lazy I say!
Irenicus
jp182
Posted 12:06 PM 14/1/08
@SnakeCL: agreed, the same in NJ
jp182
ceilingFANBOY: sponsor me for PBP, link in profile
Posted 12:06 PM 14/1/08
@C4WDeX: Man, that takes balls...get it, balls, because he was talking about touching himself?
Nevermind.
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Sixtail
Posted 12:06 PM 14/1/08
@C4WDeX: Said it before I could, but yes, at CES, Nintendo and everyone else was pretty much treated like the bastard child of electronics and they got sick of it. E3 was started to become the CES of video gaming and it served it's purpose for years before imploding at last. There's no way in hell any of the big three or really the gaming media want to go back to those days.
I wager that PAX and the others will fill the gap, but really, Nintendo and Sony have their own shows in Japan anyway, that's bound to happen over here too.
Sixtail
ceilingFANBOY: sponsor me for PBP, link in profile
Posted 12:05 PM 14/1/08
@Hiero Glyph: I would think that a majority of the hi def tvs are actually being sold to the sports fans and movie enthusiasts, at least on the high end. For the most part, gaming is still seen as something primarily done by kids or young adults, people who may have money for a hi def tv, but not necessarily the Pioneer Kuro series or an 81 series Samsung. The CES is more where the big companies try to sell the latest and most expensive of hardwares. It is more likely to be marketed towards the older, more financially established crowd. Also, with there being so many gaming shows, they tend to not feel as much need to promote gaming at CES. Other than that, I feel that gaming announcements are best made in places where there is at least some public in the crowd rather than being all press, given gamings need for hands on play and the fact that you can't sell a game based on specs the same way you can with a tv.
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C4WDeX
Posted 12:05 PM 14/1/08
@ballaboy311: On Ban Monday dude? Seriously?!
C4WDeX
ballaboy311
Posted 12:04 PM 14/1/08
Because you touch yourself at night that's why.
ballaboy311
jp182
Posted 12:03 PM 14/1/08
To me it seems like they probably don't make announcements at the CES show because they know Americans are impatient AND because the only people who care are going to find out anyway.
jp182
C4WDeX
Posted 12:03 PM 14/1/08
@Hiero Glyph: Although it may be upscaled... Living right here in Bristol, CT (home of ESPN), I get a 1080p broadcast from them.
C4WDeX
C4WDeX
Posted 12:02 PM 14/1/08
E3 was a spin-off of CES during the video game boom. The little corner CES dedicated to gaming just wasn't big enough anymore.
It would be interesting to see the whole thing take a big circle though.
Another thing, do we really need E3? Yes, the big three could use CES for keynotes. However, unlike consumer electronics which you need to touch, feel, and see for yourself... E3 really can be taken 100% online. Those demos the industry play at the show could be played with less distractions from one's couch at home. This is all possibly thanks to LIVE and PSN. Not to mention, everybody could attend.
C4WDeX
SnakeCL
Posted 11:59 AM 14/1/08
@Hiero Glyph:
All three. Living in Massachusetts, you'd be surprised how many people buy that brand new HDTV for the "big Pats game" or the "big Sox game" every year.
SnakeCL
Hiero Glyph
Posted 11:57 AM 14/1/08
@ceilingFANBOY: sponsor me for PBP, link in profile: Without the gaming and Hi Def DVD market there is no point to a new Hi Def television. Not even ESPN uses a 1080p signal yet for their HD programming. Since most Hi Def DVD players cost a small fortune, an easy option is to utilize the gaming indutry to supplement the number of users for these 1080p televisions. Besides, who is buying these new television sets, hardcore sports fans, movie enthusiasts or hardcore gamers?
Hiero Glyph
SithNinja
Posted 11:55 AM 14/1/08
I am glad that their isn't a lot of gaming presence at CES. The last thing that we need are booth babes pretending that they know about the tech that they would be there to draw attention to. " Um yeah this thingie here will hook up to the internets so you can, you know, not get lost on the way to the mall and stuff ". I would rather keep them at the AEE where they belong.
SithNinja
aeonpulse
Posted 11:53 AM 14/1/08
damnit, i looked forward to someday attending an E3, but now that will never happen. damnit.
aeonpulse
Garo
Posted 11:52 AM 14/1/08
"...why don't Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo use the CES stage as a launching ground for their next year of products?"
I guess they think that this wouldn't be effective enough, so why bother!?
Garo
ceilingFANBOY: sponsor me for PBP, link in profile
Posted 11:50 AM 14/1/08
Most of the people that go to CES go there to see the newest hi def tvs. Can't we let the hi def tvs have just one moment in the spotlight?
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DasKonstruct
Posted 11:50 AM 14/1/08
If you're bored at CES you can always say hi to the porn stars at Internext, which is real close if I remember correctly. :P
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krln99
Posted 2:47 PM 14/1/08
Yeah, games used to be at CES, and then they got "too big for it." I think the concept of these big shows is outdated. The Internet killed the purpose of them.
krln99
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Posted 5:14 PM 14/1/08
@Hiero Glyph: I wasn't debating that the high end is where the most money is made, I was saying that the high end is the focus for the CES.
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StealthBear
Posted 10:21 AM 15/1/08
@stennex: Isn't it Consumer Electronics Show? Game consoles are consumer electronics, right?
Don't really know where I stand on this issue, though...
StealthBear
taomaster99
Posted 1:48 PM 15/1/08
if you're going to bring out a new system yeah I guess they could do it at ces but otherwise it's pointless for games to have any presence there.
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