$100 is way, way, waaaayyyy too expensive for that functionality. Also, for that kind of money, I would need a guarantee that it worked like a fucking dream with every FPS I wanted to play. Is there mouse lag? I use a wireless laser mouse, is it compatible?

I'm always dubious of these semi-sactioned peripherals. I'd be much more comfortable if it was first-party (and, say, the price of a controller instead of $100).

Strangelove

I like FPSs on PC and I like them on console. But I will *never* buy a console FPS that lets people play with a mouse. What is the point?!

There's a place where KB/M belong: your computer.

DrFresh

I'd really love to know how well it works though; if PS3 mouse and keyboard support was really well done whether through these adapters or through the existing support, the PS3 turns from a really expensive console into a really cheap gaming PC.

ajay42

Each video game development company that disabled keyboard/mouse in their FPS should pay to have this bundled with their game.

No idea if the mouse-->joystick conversion is quality, though. Probably depends on the game.

I played Goldeneye with an N64 emulator and set up the mouse to play with, and it still wasn't up to par with even Quake 1 mouse control.

Adam Rock

That needs to come down by about 70 bucks before people will buy it.

rebelphoenix

Playing COD4, I often want to scream at the 360 controller, and pine for the smooth lovin' of a good ol' optical mouse.

But do I pine for it with the strength of $100USD? ...probably not.

Sugoi

@jp182: i have as well and kb+m make it a ton easier. i can rock it with the controller, but with the combo, i just rock it that much harder

kw4k

@buttpwner: see? this is what i was worried about. any proof to these claims as i'd be interested to know.

kw4k

i wouldnt mind it, but i wonder if its integrated well. i'd hate to have it go buggy or glitchy on me. resistance and uncharted with kb+m... just think of the possibilities!

kw4k

@thebluick: Games like Unreal Tournament III has the support for Mouse and Keyboard but other games such as Resistance don't have support for controls

rockmanjoey [PSN] Rockman Joey [Xbox Live]

has anyone played with these? Do they really work? what I mean is not do they work in the sense of being functional but do they work in the sense of making console FPS's play like PC ones? Or does everything feel clumsy, a bit off, like a lot is being lost in the console->keyboard translation?

ajay42

can't you already use a keyboard and mouse on the ps3 since it has usb, or am I mistaken?

thebluick

@rockmanjoey: Yeah, but as with the FragFx controller, there is no way to shake off bullseye tags...

kifbox

This, or a FragFX... well gee whiz... I think I'd take a FragFX anyday. At least it would work with just about any PS3/2/X game you could run on the machine.

Moonchilde

@Dp. (PSN: Fallible): i've played COD4 both ways and the keyboard+mouse is alot easier

jp182

May get this for Resistance and other games!

rockmanjoey

I've always preferred keyboard and mouse over controller but, that said, I just feel that games like Call of Duty and Unreal play better with a controller. I doubt I could ever go back to playing games, other than real-time strategies, with a keyboard and mouse.

Dp. (PSN: Fallible)

do not buy this, there is a crazy dead zone on the xfps. itll only register really quick exaggerated movements. i wish it weren't true because otherwise this would be a godsend.

buttpwner

Well really unless you're a professional gamer and have your own custom mouse/keyboard theres no need for it. Even then if you have all that stuff then why are you playing on a console anyway?

Sparx88

@BOMxAgonyxScenex: it works with every game. if you are someone who just doesn't like controllers but wants the no hassle/low cost of owning a console instead of a gaming rig, this is well worth it.
I know someone who was an avid pc gamer but got one and a 360 after his pc become antiquated too many times.

Grumps

@styl3s:

1 - Im not a kid, thanks.

2 - McDonalds? Umm, no. I have a job that can afford this plenty of times over, thanks. Last time I had a job like that, I was 19 and working two other jobs, so STFU.

3 - Halo does have AIM support, but I dont use it.

4 - IF YOU READ THE BOTTOM IT WAS MY OPINION, NOT A STATEMENT.

NMC ONE WAY

Isn't that partly why you play a console instead of a PC, to get away from the K/M?

WoodyNvincible

$100?! thats ridiculous....and you know there are goign to be a bunch of morons out there who buy it.

BOMxAgonyxScenex

i like unreal tournament iii on ps3, kb and mouse support built in.

Grumps

PC Gaming: We've been doing what you just now started doing for like... 20 years! lulz nubz

ProjectThanatos

@NMC ONE WAY:

calm down kid, some people prefer KB+M over controller, i do, but does that mean i suck at using controller? no, ill buy this if it works properly, again, does that mean i suck at controller? no ill kick your ass with a controller or KB+M, dont hate because your mcdonalds job wont allow you to buy this, and i would rather FPS games on consoles support KB+M w/ no aim help then no KB+M and give aim support because noobs like you that fear PC gaming have to have it, have you ever tried playing an FPS with a controller that doesnt have ANY aim support? no, because they all have it intergrated into the game

styl3s

@Sparx88: yea thats true...

tocatl

I'll never trade my "stubborn ways of old" for your gimped ways of the future.

Boxelder

The $100 price tag is worth the ownage that players will take from keyboard/mouse player.

Let the flame war BEGIN. :P

Roadkill

Just get a cheap USB keyboard/mouse combo for less than half that price.

Sparx88

LOL, I dont care for this one bit, but damn thats a funny line...

"Wait, we just read this thing is $100. Seriously?"

Perfect... who needs mouse support at that cost anyway? You have to really suck at using a controller. Sometimes it works out better for certain FPS's.

BUT THATS MY OPINION AND DONT NEED SOME QWERTY FANS TO COME AFTER ME FOR IT. I <3 MY CONTROLLER OVER KB+M!!!!

NMC ONE WAY

IT'S HUGE!

kyosuke9999

@Legion329: Woohoo at buying ports again

Kyle81

maybe each of those turbo buttons are worth $10 each...

Fert

Mouse controls for Okami! Oh wait, it's coming out on the Wii.

Legion329

Ways of old?

Winterbringer

@Boxelder: haha, you know that we tease.

Mark Wilson

@Daobaz: Not only is it truly better in every way, but your ability to improve with it is much greater; The maximum skill attainable using a mouse is lightyears beyond what you can do with a controller, even with an incredible amount of practice.

Shame if this adapter doesn't live up to its promises.

Sugoi

Be VERY weary of this product.

Every review (for the 360 version) I've come across has said that this thing works for crap in terms the most important aspect... aiming with the mouse.

PC Gamers enjoy the KB/Mouse combo because it is simply better for FPS's, hands down. There is no counter argument to that. FPS on consoles have built in aimbot to assist you for christ sake.

Daobaz

Who still uses PS2 mice/keyboards? I have some in a box incase my USB stuff goes out and i dont have time to run to a store.

Sinnbox

@kw4k: yeah just search for any review of the product. apparently the dead zone is so gnarly that in order for it to be useful it must be modded with a deal of soldering with a smartfrag adapter and even then players report that the controls are wonky and sometimes lag.
just do a google search for xfps sniper, there are some customer reviews that say it's great, but for every one of those there's 3 stories of it being close to unusable.
the sniper model supposedly cuts down on the deadzone the most i guess, so if you like spending the cash on a low revision wired xbox controller and smartfrag and spend some DIY time with about 150$ worth of junk you bought then give it a spin.
and everyone saying you prefer dual analog to kb/m, whaaaa??!!!?!?!? theres no disputing that if xbox allowing kb/m support then noone with a dual analog controller would ever play online since they wouldnt stand a chance against the n00biest kb/m player. im certain that's why no decent kb/m set-up for the mainstream console has ever or will ever see the light of day.

buttpwner

I love controlers on Systems, and i love Keyboard/Mouse on PC. If someone is going to buy the Orange box for PS3 or 360 and then complain that they want a Keyboard/Mouse. I say go pick up a cheap PC, you can get a PC that will run the Orange Box or Unreal 3 for around $500-$600.

Sinnbox

KB+M is boring, why have such a bulky system as a keyboard for a console FPS game that would use about 1/4 at most of the buttons? The keyboard isn't designed for gaming and so isn't really the best choice but while the mouse also isn't designed for it the mouse does have great accuracy so works well. Simple joypad or huge KB+M, I'd rather just use the joypad.

I saw a tournemant of KB+M vs Controller of Shadowrun and the controller won so I don't really think the mouse is that much better. I know it probably is a tad better but I don't need to buy a KB+M for a miniscule difference that just PLAYING WELL would make up for. PC nerds need to stop talking trash about controllers.

-sigil-

I bought one of these for the xbox360 about a year ago and promptly sold it on ebay 1-2 days later for the same price I paid for it (back then, it was a hefty $80 or so). These converters aren't worth even $20 in my opinion. I personally HATE using controllers for FPSes. As others have said, they gimp the user. However, while these converters seem like a godsend, they don't feel like a genuine KB+M setup as the converter is reading your mouse movement as if it were an analog stick, not a real mouse. So the sensitivity is definitely off. The idea has tons of potential, but I warn you that if you buy this at $100, you may end up cursing yourself for buying it. But hey, thank god for ebay. ;)

killerkabob

@-sigil-:

KB+M is boring, why have such a bulky system as a keyboard for a console FPS game that would use about 1/4 at most of the buttons? The keyboard isn't designed for gaming and so isn't really the best choice but while the mouse also isn't designed for it the mouse does have great accuracy so works well. Simple joypad or huge KB+M, I'd rather just use the joypad.

I agree and there could be far better solutions for FPS controls than a keyboard or a gamepad. The issue is that game controller manufacturers are just introducing cosmetic chages to controllers and not actually innovating anymore (MadCatz I'm looking at you). The only company that is doing something interesting in game controllers is Splitfish.

[www.splitfish.com]

They are famous for the EgeFX/FragFX but they also have a few other cool ideas in the works where they use a trackball for aiming rather than a stick. Supposedly it works far better. Unfortunately Microsoft is obstinate about allowing anything other than a traditional gamepad for the 360.

Cell9song

A complete waste of cash. Or at least the 360 version is. I purchased the original for the 360 for almost $100. it was an abysmal piece of garbage. The manufacturers, who smartly gave it to 3rd party suckers to sell, failed to mention that the units will not work properly with 80% of the mice out there nor can you rebind the axis sticks. there is also polling rate issues, sensitivity issues and an issue where the unit simply stops working. The company soon took it off their front page and buried it and refused to take responsibility (instead referring to their vendors) and stopped replying to support emails a few months after it shipped. The new version they came out with isnt even shown on their home site which I assume is to cover their scamming asses should a class-action suit come up.

In order to get it to work as advertised someone came up with a mod that requires a considerable amount of time, soldering experience and another cash outlay.

Someone will eventually get a mouse emulator that works but it won't be these shysters. Stay away.

Cell9song

After trying the XFPS Pro on 360 (with SmartFrag Joy) I'm refusing to touch an XFPS product any time in the future unless it's to completely obliterate one of their products into a fine powder of plastic and silicon. They should send me one of these for free just for being jipped by the 360 XFPS. I wish I spent that money on a Razer Lachesis to replace my aging Razer Copperhead, or purchase the upcoming game "My Horse and Me"..

bluesquareapple

Oh yah; I guess I'd buy a PS3 too.

wonder6oy

If they'd release something like this for Wiimotes (w/ infrared mouse-pointer control, nunchuck movement, and button remapping), I'd buy it...

...even for $100.

wonder6oy

@WoodyNvincible:
i went to console gaming because i was sick to death of driver issues and shoddy programming for different graphics cards etc. SWAT 4 stuck a nail in the coffin. Kebyoard and mouse on the PS3 would be like finding out that you could plug candy canes into the usb slot and it would make you and the console fly.

gMC

The 360 one works like shit, apparently -- the only thing it was good for was as a Playstation pad adapter.

GhaleonUnlimited