@Dennen: I think the only real big problem with the whole 'Using Magic cards like the Eye of Judgement' would be what to do with all those cards. EoJ has what, 110 in the first set? Every Magic set has somewhere from 160-300+ cards. How many would be supported? What kind of difficulty would it be for supporting those cards for the digital game? How would you support deckbuilding with the physical cards without someone cheating the system (if we're talking like this is MGO)?

Ampillion lives a life much like No More Heroes.

All the fun of ccgs with out the cards or collecting! Oh wait.

Blackjack1353

I am with Tehdiplomat on this one. I really liked the PC game that Microprose created back in the 90's. And something of a similar style for the XBLA would be a great match.

On the other hand, I see a lot of talk about The Eye of Judgement. I think such a thing could be applied to already released cards. All is needed is a retail software package with the ability to read these codes, already existant cards, and a system that allows you to purchase specific card sleeves from the retailer featuring barcodes of that card... Thus, you order sleeve for Shivan Dragon which will have the data on the sleeve itself. It arrives, you slide your Shivan Dragon into the sleeve. Place the completed item under the camera and playmat and voila. Eye of Judgement style gameplay online and on your console.

Dennen

Why is there so much hate for Battlegrounds. I kinda liked it even.

thejoe

please please please, let it just come with a card library and NO DLC. NO paying for expansions, etc. I love this game but HATE that it always devovles into the guy who spends the most money wins.

ajay42

@aka Bitter: If they do that, I'll be out of a lot of money methinks...

ビッグ ボス

If it's M:TG in it's pure form without needless flash, then it'll light up Live like no other DLC before it.

PsycheDiver

I didn't think Magic: Battlegrounds was too bad, really.

It had potential, but wasn't fully realised...

FunkyJ

I hope it's like the Microprose version of the game that came out in the mid-90s. Shandalar put a nice adventuring spin on the whole card battle concept.

TehDiplomat

@Gypsie: lol indeed that is true, they would have more toughness, but that all comes down to whether or not the aether flash is played before or after, or for that matter how many copies are in play. also the fact that it can hit them still because it doesnt target them specifically is important also. [end nerdly magic rant XD ]

anyways yea fae can be awesome, and cheap in both senses of the word =P unless im messing around i try to avoid using cheap decks against people, or being as i cant find many people to play with, not using them against my cousin since hes still some what of a nüb to the game[ end nerd ish rant]

besides i like to build decks that play mind games with everyone invovled XD

Kcet

Don't get me wrong, I love my 360... but the idea of buying virtual cards for MS Itchy and Scratchy money under the risk of losing it all via DRM if my 360 needs to be replaced hardly fills me with enthusiasm.

Sathias

@Eothein: Well I'm just looking at it from the basis of the cards themselves. I can't say I've played the Eye CCG itself, but would it be something anyone would play with just the cards itself? Are there any big card gamers that can compare the two? I suppose if it is a decent game, it would be based more on personal preference at that point.

Also, taking the Simpsons license out of a Simpsons game is irrelevant. The game would probably suck either way and play just as bad. ;p

Ampillion lives a life much like No More Heroes.

@Kcet: depends, got 2 scions of oona out and makes no difference ;) and coz they're flash, thats 1 at the end of ur turn, 1 in my turn - sweet as sugar! lol mmm...fliers with +1/+1 pumps and shroud :| its just silly really hahah

Gypsie

Good luck to it. MTG video games tend to suck, other than Magic Online. Hopefully this works out.
I'd play it if I had an Xbox. And... if I had household internet.
...and money.

Eienhander

Oh dear. There goes my monies.

Komrade_Kayce

I totally would play this.

Although I hate the current rules of today, and prefered my broken old school rules.

Witzbold

My youth of shelling out money to be just like big brother is coming back to haunt me... virtually!

MelodyKitn

@Neo_Deus: That's too bad (on wagering taken out). It actually makes it more interesting to me. The fact that you can lose/take cards makes it more real and financially incents to become a good player.

fumunda

@the-hypnotoad: I was really hoping for something that could take advantage of the XBLA platform a little more like one of their miniatures properties (D&D Minis, Star Wars Minis)

I would love something like this. I've been looking for a Warhammer-esque or D&D Miniature-esque video game for years, and have never really found a good one. If anybody could recommend me one, I'd greatly appreciate it.

baberg

@Gypsie:
lol yea them fae are pretty dangerous.... unless your not playing standard, and someone manages to throw down a aether flash... most faeries wont live through that =P

Kcet

Well i wouldnt mind playing a Magic gam eon XBLA. Im sure it would be a lot more fun to play online as opposed to going to my local comic shop where it seems all the card playing/warhammer painting dudes are nothing but creepy/weird assholes.

Heaven forbid someone go into a comic book shop to buy some actual comic books.

ArmyofJuan

Virtual booster packs for MSPs?

I can see 400MSP Starters / 100MSP boosters selling reasonably well... Doesn't take too many addicts to make these things into profit-making machines.

muu

Well, hopefully the DLC for the game will be per-set and not per-pack/starter like the official MTGO (Which is why I prefer the fanmade versions like apprentice and MTG Workstation.)

DarkTetsuya

I don't know if it makes sense to assume this will be just the card game considering they are talking about developing something for LIVE and PCs, and they already have that for the PC.

dbushik

@fumunda: There hasn't been an ante card (that's what the wagering ones were) made in almost 14 years now. In fact, they're all banned in tournament play. I don't think anybody ever really liked them.

Neo_Deus

Well, I guess my life is over. Culcept Saga, then this. Goodbye, sweet daylight, I knew ye well. On the serious side, this is a no-brainer. If the success of the board games on XBLA (which are far less popular than Magic, I mean Catan sold well and its only Catan) are any indication, Magic will flourish. I just hope there's no BS booster pack crap.

corner

WOOOOOOHOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

Please bring back the original set, the cards that remember playing with back in high school, and 5-player online play. Black Lotus' FTW!

Time to go change my pants!

Crosswayboy

@Eothein: *countered*

sorry...had to be said lol, yeah ur probably right in fairness and Wizards may well try and tie it in with Magic Online or something, which is about as expensive as MtG itself...except without the satisfaction of tearing opon the booster packs....sigh, yeah i really did just say that *makes mental note to get out more*

its not easy when ur gf plays mtg too :|

Gypsie

Hmm... I wonder how many expansions do it will have...

I'll be glad to have either this game or Yugioh, but Konami always makes mistakes with this franchise.

HanDaimond

@Ashurahori: Dude, it is Magic the gathering, get a grip on yourself ;P

Irenicus-the one and only

OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG

This is the game I wish I could play everyday with other people! For it to come to my favorite games platform is AWESOME!

Ashurahori

I'm not a card game connoisseur by any means but I would like to see if this title can lucratively address the misstep I think Eye of Judgment made when they went with physical cards as a way to facilitate the gimmick of the Eye Toy. I think it was cool tech but it really felt like the concept of a virtual card game was being limited by physical cards.

okenny :)

"Beyond the card game, the Magic IP is a largely untapped wealth of fantasy with stories begging to be told. These products are a part of our strategy to start doing just that."

[www.wizards.com]

These games are not going to be the card game. The wording of the press release makes it clear that this is an extension of the Magic franchise, not a port of the game.

Insane_Penguin

cool

Marked

hmmmm. tempting.

If you could get the equivalent of a box of boosters for 500 M$ points, I might give it a shot

kidko

@deathscent:, @Danin: lol

@CrimzinD: technically in mtgo, you are paying for the actuall cards as well, as they allow you to trade in your digital copies of the cards for the actual cards, whole thing with that is the cards you choose to be sent to you will no longer exist in the game but eh , at least it doesnt make the purchases totally no worth it

Kcet

@Gypsie:
This is Xbox Live we are talkign about, me thinks there will be plenty of downloadable content to enjoy.

@Ampillion lives a life much like No More Heroes.:
Of course Eye wouldn't be as much fun but Magic is competing against the entire Eye package and frankly the experience just won't match up. It's like saying "if you took away the Simpsons license from the Simpson's game would it be as much fun?

Eothein

@Fumunda: MTG was originally designed that way, but the wagering of cards (Ante) was taken out of the official rules long ago (as far as I know).

miniC00perS

@CrimzinD:

Well technically, you can, at least in the current online game. If you collect an entire set of virtual cards, you can trade them in for a set of real cards(you pay shipping and tax).

aka Bitter

Definitely looking forward to this and was hoping the original vague announcement meant it was coming soon. Been a good few years since I played the actual card game but definitely enjoyed.

Those interested should definitely also check-out Culdcept Saga. There is a demo on Live. It is basically Magic: The Gathering meets Monopoly. The game isn't a graphic sophisticated, but the cards have great artwork and the game is very enjoyable.

Talvish

Magic as the PC version I assume, where you gotta pay for digital booster packs.

@Capp: Its been on the PC for years, and this is most likely going to be the same.

Kyle81

@Eothein:
Sorry dude, but this one will use virtual cards.
I guess you will have to buy virtual boosterpacks to extend your cards library.
Kinda sucks, but works exactly the same way as [legendsofnorrath.station.sony.com]
But hey, look at the bright side... Kotaku won't be able to give us a "how to copy cards" tutorial ;)

Garo

@Eothein: Eh. It's more about the name than anything really. Magic is the granddaddy of the CCG, and people who remember playing Magic or who always wanted to, might be convinced to check it out. Sure, Eye of Judgment is cool and all, but the game was built around that concept. Magic, as that says up there, has been around since '93. If you took away Judgment's neat little camera effects and virtual battlefield stuff, would you still have a fun, deep game with just cards alone?

Of course, the reason I quit playing is because of the pricetag, and that most the random people I ever met to play with at local places could do nothing but talk about the damn game.

Ampillion lives a life much like No More Heroes.

@Eothein: yeah, except this wont cost a fortune to play after purchase if u actually want a sporting chance at beating the machine.

p.s - lorwyn faeries ftw

Gypsie

They have a chance to make this really good, I just hope they don't screw it up. All they need to do is make it play exactly as the card game and it will do just fine. But, they need to make sure they include the good Sets and Expansions (Starting with Alpha and go forward).

Capp

I love MTG, this could be good. Despite being like the 3rd video game release of the CCG :-P

Struct09

I hate the idea of paying for digital only cards. If they would put a tax on or something, and allow you to be sent an acutal copy of the cards you buy, I'd be fine with it. But yea. Or if they would just make it free. Either way, I'd love to be able to play magic with my live friends without having to download some program and card databases and pictures. Stupid Magic Workstation.

CrimzinD

This could be huge, except after The Eye of Judgement was released online card games now can be so much more than staring at virtual cards. Frankly the thought of just having virtual cards is backwards.

Eothein

XBLA is starting to get a real big library of games. If not for the d-pad and drm I'd buy a 360 and just stick with arcade games :)

Mortal kombat had such potential :( And the PSN one did not have voice chat, grrrr.

Irenicus-the one and only

I'd like to see Star Wars minis on XBLA.

Nex Antonius

I know very little about Magic: The Gathering, but doesn't it involve cards trading hands? That is, I beat you (scratch that). You beat me and I hand over my wagered cards? I assume there is also a bit of trading if I have duplicates and looking to unload them for the boots +1 escaping.

I wonder how that will work? If they incorporate it I am intrigued. It's like real gambling.

fumunda

My wallet and my college education are now officially fucked.

Danin

@Tsalagi: Well you're going to have to wait damnit. Because it's not out yet. I can't wait for you to pay 1200 points for a deck of 10 virtual cards. But I have to. Oh how cruel the wallaby of life can be at times.

TearsandScreams

"We're excited to bring the Magic brand to new platforms and give our fans new ways to experience this great property,"

what? they dont think any of their fans own a Ps3? or did M$ pay them to say that?

TheRebellion

Somehow, I don't expect this to involve actual cards in any way. It'd probably be more like Culdcept: All of the cards are contained within the game, and are given as rewards for advancement rather than purchased with real money and/or MSpacebucks.

Moonshadow101

Paying for cards that aren't real just isn't cool. My plan is to get an eye toy and play with friends via - video chat. It's the same reason I never got into the magic online thing. Now if you purchase the cards and they send you actual copies that would be cool.

ramauro

i still can't believe no one wants my tarmogoyf...
anyways, this COULD have potential, it's just hard to see how well it could do. i have faith in this one, but XBLA and magic.... ehhhhhhhh!!

deathscent

I for one can't wait to pay 1200 MS Points for a deck of 10 virtual cards.

Tsalagi

I was a little excited until I thought how much they are going to charge for "card packs". Hopefully they won't have a random assortment.. The PS3 game with the camera sounds better. At least it comes ready to play without expansion packs *cough*LUMINES*.

GOLD5

Wow, I never got into MTGO because it felt like buying what I already had, so I kinda hope that it's not the card game but something better than battle-thingy.

ggodo

I hope you can buy packs of cards and open them and the pack is all animated and stuff

jarjarwang

I'm surprised at how excited everyone is. This announcement basically translates to a boatlaod of micro transactions for virtual cards

LittleBigPlaneteer

Will it use the Live! Camera and a play mat? Because I'm not collecting virtual cards with real world prices.

doubtful

hmmmm.....intriguing!

FLYBOY611

but can you pirate cards like Eye of Judgement hrrrmmmmm

pandafresh

They'll be making a camera based card game called Magic: "Vision of Judgement"

LittleBigPlaneteer

I was really hoping for something that could take advantage of the XBLA platform a little more like one of their miniatures properties (D&D Minis, Star Wars Minis). But I guess the m:tg brand has more awareness in the consumers they are targeting with this, so, yeah.

But on the plus side, if they really get into microtransactions we might be able to find a use for those stray 30 or 40 MS points that some folks have.

the-hypnotoad

Oh my god.
If they do this well, its going to be big.
VERY BIG.

Arkanius

Seems like a good fit for WotC to port it's already successful Magic online interface to XBLA. They can then sell the program, along with a starter deck for $10 and the booster packs seperately. Here's hoping it will have cross platform play with the PC...

aka Bitter

Really stoked for this! I love MTG! Culdcept can hold me over till then~

Lilchunz

HOT HOT SHIT!

yaboonabi

Noooooooo!

NotAZombie

Are we gonna have to pay points for random downloadable booster packs? Can we pay more for pre-made decks? I never played any of the online Magic games and really don't understand how the whole card collecting aspect would work.

NeoStarr

Nooooooooooooooooo! I can't afford to get hooked on this game again. I've been clean for over 10 years now!

gwangi

5 bucks it's MTGO3 that they've all been keeping under wraps. Now you too can (instead of clicking the mouse like a madman) press A like a mad man! :D
@Fistynuts: If it is MTGO3, then yeah you'd be able to use your PC account. At least WotC I believe wouldn't be stupid enough to not do that.

Lyner

C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-COUNTERSPELL!!

The ORIGINALY Combo Breaker.

WiNG

It would be great if they could just put something like Apprentice together and just let us play the card game online. Nothing fancy, just the cards. Then we could buy booster packs and such, or entire sets of cards. Sure they would milk us for money, but I would be up for it.

Southrncomfortjm

If this is a port of the PC online card game then it's happy days - AS LONG as people are able to use their PC logons on the 360. There's no way I'm buying a whole new set of cards.

Fistynuts

The microtransactions market works pretty well with handheld cards. The kids love it, and love showing each other their pokemons, magic cards, epic wang of leetness and whatever. Problem is, this way they will never be able to show off their newly won/bought/stolen cards. As I have understood it, the social aspect is an important pillar in this specific corner in the castle of geekdom.

However, should they manage to create an interface for sharing, trading and bragging about ones cards, a lobby of sorts, this could very well be the foundation of a pile of money that would eventually touch the moon.

Billqvist

Be cool if you could transfer your MTGO account to the xbox 360 version.. because I have a shit ton of cards on there right now.

JustOneFix

I really wish they would announce a PSN version. I stopped playing years back, and this would be a great way to start up the addiction again.

thecharlie

... What is this game? * Googles it.

Allen750

man i remember playing this with a couple of friends, wasting money on loads of cards, the never to be used black lotus....ahh the memories..

i must get this game!!!

kingme

@aurahack: Maybe they dont want it stealing the thunder of EOJ. Since WOTC is part of that game too and Im sure they would know it could quite possibly do that, hurting their investment in the IP also.

Granted it would be nice to see it on both mediums though, but why its not on the PSN atm has a rather good reason I think.

Witzbold

Again, I'm kinda angry that this isn't going to be released on PSN either. I'm a huuuuge Magic nerd and I'd love to play a game with people over the net. Horobi, Death's Wail! Screams from Within! I CLEAR THE TABLE MOUAHAHA.

aurahack

Magic on XBL would be hot. Hopefully they don't try to get too tricky, and just straight up virtualize the cards. That would be sweet, I would play, I would pay.

Hazaa54

Based on the recent catastrophic delay of the new client for their existing online Magic game , I'm leaning toward a full port of the actual card game, since it fits their micro-transaction model perfectly anyway.
Still, a self contained game would be nice too: I keep my copy of the LAST one in a fire-proof safe.

cynopt

@Ampillion lives a life much like No More Heroes.: And its not the cards that are recognized, it is the symbols on the cards. All magic cards would need to be remade to work in such a program... not going to happen.

Kyle81

Please let it be a port of the 1997 MicroProse game. I fell in love with that version.

JonahFalcon