HD-DVD was NEVER MEANT TO BE THE FORMAT!!!

Microsoft simply developed it to counter the growth of Sony.. particularly with the PS3.

They just wanted to hinder Sony's sales in hopes it would move more 360s. They (Microsoft) just didn't realize this was unnecessary, given the price-tag, and horrible launch of the PS3.

RemyDuvalle

MS is probably pissing in their pants about now because the 360 is just about maxed out. I'm not saying they can't produce great games with it, but they don't want to be outdone by sony. Right now they can't depend on add ons for gaming, nor can 3rd party rely on HD DVD or BR for that matter if it came out for the 360. They are stuck with DVD. And they cannot rely on people having a hard drive either, so to produce a game that is not compatible with the base model would be a suicide. So the only option MS have is to bring out a new xbox in 2 or 3 years, I can almost see that coming, and this time, they will learn from Sony.

nxp3

@astrixzero: What I find funny is that the Kotaku staff get accused of being fanboys for both sides.

I'll let you in on a little secret...

Controversy sells. Look at the number of comments about this very article. Compare that to comments you get on neutral, press-release style articles.

If an article gets more comments, it usually means it got more page views. Fact is; you cared enough to click on the article and post a comment on here. And I cared enough to answer you.

So in one post they slip a comment to enrage PS3 owners, on the other to enrage Xbox 360 owners and then to enrage Wii owners. As long as they keep mostly balanced (and they do) as to not alienate one of the three groups, their comments (and page views) go through the roof.

Guizzy

Since when was the X360 in last place, Mr Fahey?

Last time I checked, the Wii sold 20.1 million, the X360 17.7 million, and the PS3 10.5 million. Take your Sony fanboyism elsewhere.

astrixzero

It's not like the HD-DVD peripheral player was $500. If this format goes belly-up, which seems likely, the stand-alone Blu players will be $125 in no time.

So it goes.

paseana

@trigger2: I don't think anyone (least of all Guizzy, an admitted linux user; doesn't he know Steve Ballmer thinks Linux is communist?!?! :P) is arguing that MS is not a conniving, underhanded software empire that won't hesitate to twist arms behind the scenes and destroy anyone or thing that stands in their way. In fact, this Mac user would argue that we use their products because this is so, they buy up indispensible concepts, products, licenses, etc and then force you to work with them if you want access to them. Bungie is but the most blatant example, their business products and server software stuff is another. Unfortunately, rather than walling myself off in a world of hate like a child (and honestly I'm not directing this at you personally trigger2, but all the haters on both sides), I have to live in the real world, where games like Halo 3, Ninja Gaiden 2 etc are exclusive to 360. I'm neither an MGS nor an FF fan (anymore), so those don't sway me; I'm probably going to be like 50% of the rest of the people who buy a PS3 this year, a movie will come out in HD that I feel compelled to own and HD-DVD on my 360 won't be an option.

Then again, perhaps HD downloads on a machine that doesn't repeatedly overheat (I'm on 360 #3 and its had a few worrisome blips now in its 5th month) will keep me from needing Blu-Ray, in which case I'm still waiting on a game that will sell me a PS3. Resistance came close, I thought it was a really fun shooter, were it not for the wealth of those games on my current platforms I might have been able to justify it. If Sony had just paid whatever was necessary to get NG2 on PS3 simultaneously I wouldn't be typing this now, for me personally that game is a system seller, the first NG game sold me a refurb Xbox1 after years of telling people to buy anything but that system, I even avoided Halo1 for 2 years because I was still bitter about them buying Bungie ;)

Long story short, the minute the PS3 has a game that is a system seller for me personally, I'll own one either right then or a week or so later when I get paid. Resistance 2 looks promising.

DaiMacculate

@interstate78: if that were true then no one would make exclusives for PS3.

Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.

@Guizzy: Yeah exactly the early 90s were the sweet spot, I agree, The MD/Genesis brought strong competition and the SFC/SNES was a strong response. We're also not even getting into the rise of PC gaming, surely a factor in the demise of some of the more promising but not quite on the PC level consoles that the mid to late 90s produced. The Saturn in particular was a hard sell when video cards (3dfx mostly) costing less than half as much delivered far better visuals at the time, and games like Quake, Unreal and Starcraft were out or just around the corner. Even now, I would argue the gap between Crysis, on an average PC, and the tightest PS3/360 visuals we've seen so far is not nearly as big as that between PCs/Consoles during the late PSX to Early DC period. So some of thats tech and has nothing to do with competition, at least not in the micro-context of video game companies ;)

Also, and I hate to say this because I love them too, but I think the type of adventure games you're talking about are just niche by nature, like role playing (D&D) there is just a limit to their overall mass appeal, occasionally stuff like Magic the Gathering or WoW will raise the profile of RPGs, but even then you see them doing stuff like the admittedly funny Shatner/MrT/etc ads trying to expand the audience and de-emphasize the RPG aspect. This is in no way a bad thing, it just means that unlike FPS addicts, whose problem is way too many games to play them all, adventure game fanatics have to cling to the tender morsels we are thrown once every several months, slowly savoring them as long as possible. Thats why the Zelda faithful (I like the games but I'm not one of the truly committed, I'll admit) are so rabid about a series that comes out once every 4-5 years, and its not even the type of adventure game you're talking about but still.

DaiMacculate

@trigger2: And extra discs don't cost any significant amount of money. Heck, go to a retail store, buy a spindle of DVD do the math. How much per DVD? And try to imagine the massive bulk discounts DVD pressing factories have.

I'd say no more than 25 cent per DVD, and I'm being generous.

Guizzy

@trigger2: This argument fails. Ratchet and Clank could have easily have been made to fit on a DVD; there's no reason to believe otherwise. The fact that games as large and expansive as Oblivion, as pretty as GoW, Bioshock and Crysis, and with as much content as The Orange Box can fit on 1 DVD makes that claim quite ridiculous...

Only large RPGs with many and long HD videos like Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey require more than one DVD, and even then, it's not worth whatever premium Blu-Ray puts on the price of the PS3 just to avoid standing up and switching discs once after 20-30 hours of playing.

Guizzy

This is why you never pick sides to quickly with new competing technology. I waited because I knew one would fall now I can go out and buy a Blu-Ray player with out worrying.

RacerEcks

Here's another reason MS hates blu-ray and why I will find it amusing if MS starts putting out BR players for xbox360:

"In an attempt to avoid a format war, the Blu-ray Disc Association and the DVD Forum began negotiations on a compromise in early 2005. One of the issues was that the Blu-ray Disc camp wanted to use a Java-based platform for interactivity (BD-J), while the DVD Forum was promoting Microsoft's "iHD" (which became HDi)."
[en.wikipedia.org]

"Bill Hunt, editor of The Digital Bits, said Toshiba pulled out because an unnamed partner pressured the company to stick with HD-DVD since so much time and money had been invested in it. Hunt said he thinks that unnamed partner was Microsoft."
[www.internetnews.com]

Blu-ray ultimately went with Java.

trigger2

You know it, they know it, everybody knows it. The 360 is THE place to be for developers. Only console this gen in which developers can be pretty confident to turn a profit / not bite the dust against first party games.

The sales prove it.

Even in last place it wouldn't matter. Games on 360 sell.

Third parties crave sales (surprised much?)

The 360 has nothing to worry about.

interstate78

This impacts MS only in its potential benefit to Sony. The question then is whether the same people who buy the PS3 for Blu-ray are also going to buy games. Maybe your dad loves movies but doesn't play games. But Sony is betting that as the median age of gamers increase, so does the the overlap grow between gamers and audio-video enthusiasts. Developers should be asking not whether PS3 Blu-ray owners will buy their games, but instead, what kind of games would interest this particular demographic.

gozirah

@FtGF:

Just thought I'd mention that labeling Uncharted as merely a shooter is very short-sighted. It's an action shooter hybrid with timed sequences, platforming and puzzle solving. GOW has none of these things except for a short and not very fun sequence where you are stuck in the back of a truck.

Uncharted >>>>>>> GOW

CaptLtrl

This impacts MS only in that it may potentially benefit Sony. Considering consoles are sold at a loss, the actual benefit to Sony depends on whether the people who are interested in Blu-ray are going to be the same ones that play games. Maybe your dad is a moviephile that doesn't play games, but I think Sony is betting that since the median age of gamers is increasing, the overlap between gamers and hi-def enthusiasts is also growing. The real question developers should be asking is not whether or not the PS3 blu-ray watchers would buy games, but what kind of software would interest this particular demographic.

gozirah

PS3 and Blu Ray IS about games, to those who proclaim they couldn't care less.

Ratchet and Clank PS3 used 22 GB of space on a blue ray disc. The developers knew they had at least that much space for their game and could proceed to make an awesome game.

Despite what Nintendo and others claim, alot of people still want the highest-end graphics possible, 6 billion hours of gameplay etc. from a game. A high-capacity disc gives developers the means to provide that experience.

Developers for 360 games know this:
They have a maximumm of 7.2 gigs per disc on a DVD. Extra discs cost extra money.
They DON'T know whether a player will have the HD-dvd addon, and can know probably rule it out entirely, as fewer people will see the need to buy it now that HD has been proclaimed "dead". As past console add-ons have shown, developers go for a sure thing; ie: they shoot for the base specs of a system, and ignore addons.

Technically, they can't even be sure that a certain xbox360 will even have a hard drive.

Of course, high capacity discs aren' necessary to provide a great game. And the internetz will probably become more important as a media delivery system.
But for right now, Microsoft is stuck with a system with no "next-gen" media format to tout.

trigger2

Microsoft is releasing a Blu-Ray add on in May. Sweet.

[www.smarthouse.com.au]

(got the link from xbox360fanboy.com)

thadwhit

dammit..."great taste you have there my friend..." We really need an edit comment button here...

Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.

@FtGF lamer extreme: dude, I brought up a point about the 360 library and thought your shooter comment was directed at me. That's why I said what I said and you didn't specify who you were talking too. Also, I'm not fanboy, I do like the PS3 for sure. More so than my 360 and more than the Wii (untill Brawl comes out) As a matter of fact, with today being a day off from work, anyone on my friend's list will tell you that my PS3 has been on all weekend including today and DMC4 and Super STardust have been playing the majority of the time. So yeah, I love me some PS3. So huh-HA, back up son with the hate.

@Malice: You know, I'd put XenoGears in with that crowd too. I loved XenoGears and still believe that it's totally overlooked among the great RPGs of that era. Also, I own 2 PSPs and a DS Lite. Patapon is on my "to buy" list but Wipeout Pulse online is the shiznit. Jean D'Arc is great too. Great taste you there my friend.

Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.

@doubtful: Well, in that case, I agree!

baked ham

@KingDavid73:
HD-DVD isn't Microsoft's product it is Toshiba's and Microsoft did spend a heap of money trying to help the format succeed. Why should microsoft front the bill jsut because they offer an optional add on to their console that supports it.
@MrBionic:
That would be true If Microsoft owned a huge motion picture studio like sony does.

Oh and i don't have either a 360 or a ps3. Wii for console games PC for graphics. Upscale DVD. Why buy a standalone high def player when can just buy a LG Blu-ray/HD DVD Rom for pc for 200 and change for PC hook up with DVI to HDMI and optical sound.

Warik

argh! I hate typos, "BE a mathematical conclusion"

Malice

@FtGF: This is a blog, and we do all comment here, everyone has been and are guilty sometimes for having an opinion for the sake of having one :P

Question is if they matter to your or the people reading it.

I hope you do try another Japanese game once before you die, it doesn't have to be FF games.

Irenicus-the one and only

@FtGF: Lmao...no Einstein, 90% would me a Mathematical conclusion because 90+10=100. I agree that FFVII is the GREATEST RPG next to Chrono Trigger and Secret of Mana. I know other people that own a PS3 and they think the same...simply put, not their cup of tea.

Yes...we are human, thus we have opinions.

Malice

@Irenicus-the one and only: oh yes indeed I do sir! I love the DS...its always with me :)

Malice

@Malice:
90% huh? Is that a scientific conclusion? Look I can do it too! I would take Mass Effect any day over Paptapon but again I stopped playing most Japanese games after FFVII which was in my opinion the last truly good FF. Oh ya I own a PS3 and home looks stupid.

Gotta love opinions for the sake of having one.

FtGF

@Malice: Don't like the Wii eh? *Pulls out a baseball bat

I will let it slide, if you play your DS a lot ;)

btw, Mass Effect looks great, I can't wait until it comes out for PC.

Irenicus-the one and only

oh forgot! I also own a cobalt/black ds lite...I love it :) to cover my ass in the Wii...ok DS camp, I don't like the Wii at all. I'm more likely to get a 360 atleast the online interface is great...til HOME XD

Malice

Pssh, they're sweating their heads off in the M$ camp lol. They're just trying to figure out a way to get their slice of Blu-ray now. Oh alsom,last time I heard the PS3 had the most exclusives. Anyway just to throw some flaming my way...the Patapon demo is 90% more entertaining than Halo 3 or Mass Effect. Kudos to Halo 3 for being able to teabag and Mass Effect for its lesbian action = 10% In my defense...I thought Gears of War was an EXCELLENT game...and I had some high hopes for Lost Odyssey :-\

Malice

@DaiMacculate: I agree there is a "too little", but I think the sweet spot was hit in the early 90s.

Also, competition almost killed the adventure game. The only high profile adventure game in recent memory is Zack & Wiki. And quite strangely enough, most gamers agree that they miss adventure games a la Lucasarts and Sierra.

Guizzy

@Guizzy:Yeah, it is horrible and when I say horrible I'm not comparing that to lets say... seeing a wedding blow up in Israel from a suicide bomber with body parts flying everywhere. Or seeing a friend get stabbed to death. Horrible in this context is compared to game related shit. But you had to make an argument right? Makes you feel better about yourself when being on your 5th 360 no doubt.

@The Shape: It ain't life, unless you let it be so. If you buy 4 360's after it breaks 4 times it is not a part of life just because you let it be so. It is not a part of my life, but that has something to do with principles and not buying things that keeps breaking.

We are in for terrible times if this becomes the norm and every consumer thinks and says the same as you. Why you think they get away with it? In Sweden when you were fighting for 90days warranty at first we had 2years automatically by law. Not that I will keep shipping systems month after month even if it's free.

Irenicus-the one and only

@Aflack: Likes slushies: I know, thats why it amused me so much I had to comment on it, its not just "my dad is better than your dad" like usual but also "my dad is better than your dad at doing stuff dads don't usually handle, so there!" in this thread ;)

DaiMacculate

@Striderhayasa - PS3 Fanboy
@Sparx88:

You two ignore the points being made and go on with your talking points. I said what I said because Sparky boy stated that most games on the 360 were shooters which is incorrect. I said one of the best selling games on the PS3 was a FPS and a highly ancticapted game was also a shooter. If GOW is a shooter then uncharted is one to. So your arguments are very weak.

I have both systems so I personally don't care just don't spread bad info. And face it guys just becuase you don't like shooters doesn't mean other people can't enjoy them they seem to be the most popular type of game.

FtGF

@Guizzy: I don't see how anything you just mentioned was bad, for gamers, with the possible exception of the Dreamcast and I would argue that Sega abandoning hardware and focusing on software was about 5 years overdue when the DC officially became a failure. Most of us who considered themselves Nintendo fanboys during the Sega-Nintendo system wars always thought Sega made great games, and though many of their recent titles haven't been exactly classic (they do still make good games though, just maybe not genre-defining instant classics like they used to routinely) they're still one of the top 10 dev houses in gaming.

As for Nintendo, they killed themselves with Hubris that IMO was born from...wait for it....NOT ENOUGH competition! That sounds insane until you add it to Sega's problems and their failed deal with Sony, plus the fact that the PSX took at least 1.5-2 years to really take off in the states (I won't claim to know how well it was doing in its 1st 2 years in Japan/Europe/etc), there was a time period from around 1993 to late 95/early 96 when Nintendo was riding obscenely high, partially on the strength of their games and partly on the strength of retailer pressure and other tactics that were eventually found to be illegal by U.S. courts. If during that period Nintendo had had competitors on the level that Sony and MS compete with them today, they might have developed different hardware platforms based on that competitive pressure, and not been so completely unprepared for the next wave of gaming that the memory limitations of the N64 effectively barred it from participating in.

I for one could give a damn about how game companies fare, the real brains behind good games (producers, designers, coders, etc) will always be in demand, should their company not continue the best of them will find work at another.

So yeah, when I said Everyone I guess I meant "Everyone who actually plays games, and everyone who actually does the down and dirty work of making them" and specifically excluded the corporate suit types who, I agree, are hurt when their companies have failed hardware. Even the guy who did the Virtual Boy at Nintendo and was subsequently forced out, I think that was more of a problem upstairs at Nintendo than his personal problem, you could say the same thing about Kutaragi to some extent.

What was the absolute worst time in gaming? The great Atari crash, arguably. Thats what happens when you have zero competition. There may be such a thing as too much, I don't know, but I definitely believe there is such a thing as far too little.

DaiMacculate

Fair enough Guizzy, but ferfuxsake, allow people the luxury of being pissed when the thing they paid good money for breaks down.

BTW, you tried Linux on the PS3 yet? I'm toying with the idea of installing it. I love Ubuntu.

Cruithne

@Cruithne: And my experience with Microsoft's helpline has been quite positive. I wasn't put on hold, got through to the guy right away; he knew exactly what the problem is and I was done in perhaps 10 minutes. 2 weeks later I had my 2nd 360, which hasn't red ring'ed.

Guizzy

@Cruithne: Actually, you might be surprised to hear I'm actually a Microsoft hater.

I'm a very dedicated Linux apologist, and would stop at little to see the end of Microsoft's dominance on the OS market.

Guizzy

LMAO@Guizzy.

I guess when people finally get through to the Microsoft helpline after ten hours of being kept on hold, the rep at the other end says "Well hey, look at the bright side, at least it's not cancer!"

I never could figure out how Bill Gates has managed to shill his sub par products for so long, until I read your comments. Hell, I bet in Microsoft's head offices they have a big animated gif of your face, emblazoned with the words "It Prints Money"

Cruithne

@Irenicus-the one and only: Why must you keep picking fights with me? I have a wii and my handhelds to tie me over when my 360 breaks, (which it hasn't in over a year). I ride a suzuki ltr450 and I've broken the same parts a few times, but its an awesome bike so I just replace the parts and ride on. Just like the 360. Its just worth it to me. inconvenient and unfortunate yes, but thats life.

The Shape

@Irenicus-the one and only: I had the same thing happen to me. I didn't want to deal with more rrod rings so i ended up selling the falcon chipset 360 to my friend. I rather just be happy knowing i'll be able to play the next game without having to worry that something is going to happen. yes the 360 has good games but you know... not all the people may like the.

Shindokie: Kotaku's Whore

@Jericho114: I know I bought my PS2 for dvd player first, gta3 and silent hill+MGS2 second. I doubt anyone who owns a ps3 does not like their BR player, I liked mine.

But that doesn't mean that I miss it on my Wii. I don't. But for PS3 it is a nice extra feature that will benefit most as times progress.

Irenicus-the one and only

@Irenicus-the one and only: MP3 are better overall but MD was just too late to the party. LOL@happy RRoD Brigade. I laughed so hard I was in tears...

A winner is you...

Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.

@Irenicus-the one and only: "I had RROD myself and it is horrible to experience."

Woah there! War, genocide, famine, thirst, death, torture: THAT'S horrible to experience.

Having a video game console break; that's a minor inconvenient. Especially when it's covered by a 3 years warranty.

Guizzy

@DaiMacculate: You know what's the best part? This entire argument started over the format war. This has sooo much to do with video games.

Aflack: Likes slushies

@baked ham:

The only people that it might deter from buying a PS3 are those who already own a 360 and only want a PS3 for Blu-Ray.

That was primarily who I was talking about, since most of the people I know have 360s, but also want a Blu-Ray player. Admittedly a small slice of the market, but definitely the type of people willing to spend money on technology.

doubtful

@Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.: I remember everyone walking around with portable CD players and then minidisc came out it was like something amazing lol "Dude, thats sooo small!" :P And yeah, I liked using it, all the features and stuff. But of course mp3 player is better today :) Yeah, why didn't umd=minidisc, they seem similar enough.

@The Shape: I love how people are so happy about RROD, keep it up trooper!

"can't use something you payed money for? Go out and smell the flowers ferdinand". You're right, it is a laughing matter "lol". I had RROD myself and it is horrible to experience.

Irenicus-the one and only

Wow, great thread, I haven't had so much fun as a spectator since that time I had a free pass to the Special Olympics.

Cruithne

@balls187:

That logic makes sense, however Bluray isn't owned by sony...

I thought about that, too, but (and correct me if I'm wrong), isn't the number one Blu-Ray player sold the PS3?

Under that assumption, I'm granting Sony a heavy hand in the decision making.

doubtful

I cannot wait for the HD-DVD Clearance sales....

If you really look at the movies released list....the quality of films available on HD-DVD imo has always seemed a higher quality.

Here's to having both formats....which I think will always be a niche product ala "This Generation's LaserDisc"...in that it will only really appeal to film buffs and av afficionados. The average consumer could care less.

GoonieGooGoo

The "we didn't buy a movie player, we bought a video game console" is such a weak arguement it's not even worth the 20+ times it has been posted on this thread alone.

Some people since the Ps2 release enjoy the luxury of being able to watch movies on a game console (I'm one of those people) and it actually at one point was a good selling feature for the playstation 2, obviously microsoft thought it was important enough to put DVD playback in the xbox and create an HD-dvd add-on for the 360. Too bad for them HD-DVD failed.

So now PS3 buyers get ragged on for liking a feature in their console that they don't really "NEED". Honestly if Sony hadn't put it in when the last generation console had it, it would be a downgrade IMO.

Sorry if anyone else stated this I couldn't read the entire thread full of the same points posted again and again...

Jericho114

@DaiMacculate: Actually, I have been around for that, but you must have the rose-tinted glasses on, because what I remember is another story.

The Sega 32X and Saturn, the pressure on Nintendo to compete that led to the utter failure that is the Virtual Boy and the relative failure of the N64. And the beloved Dreamcast killed by the hype around the PS2.

Competition isn't always good to everyone.

Guizzy

@Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.: "Whatever" as in- I wasn't even going to even try to explain the reason, since I have NO idea why it is :p. As for the 3 red lights I've had them like 4 times but it's free to repair and gives me time to do other things i guess, lol.

The Shape

@Irenicus-the one and only: dude MDs were the shit. One thing I could do with mine that you can't do on an Mp3 player is track marks. I miss that. If you had a continuous mix that ran too long on MD and needed to split it in half you could just add a track mark. I never understood why Sony didn't just use MD for the PSP or some variation of MD. UMDs are too flimsy.

Anyways, I agree that blu-ray is the better format. I never understood when or why more storage on disc media became a crime.

Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.

@Sparx88: Warhawk is a shooter. If you want to restrict to FPS, it's only fair that you ignore Gears of War. DMC4 is a hybrid/shooter and it's also on the 360. I wouldn't be surprised to hear it's selling more there. Must I remind you that in Uncharted, you have a gun and shoot at people? And Motorstorm? Well, I'll up your ante with the higher scoring Forza 2.

If you want to compare that FPS wise to the 360, feel free to. Bioshock and Halo 3 are shooters, true. Mass Effect is just as much of a shooter as Uncharted is; it uses shooting for its combat, but it's still mostly something else.

Guizzy

What I find most amusing when watching these MS vs Sony pissing matches is that I know most of us who've been around since the NES/SMS/TG-16 era or earlier still consider Sony a brash upstart punk teen and MS a wailing infant in terms of their place in the game industry. Sure some of the old school have signed on to your little war, MS and Nintendo splitting the spoils of Sega's hardware demise being one contributor to that, but most of us OGs are either shaking our heads in disgust or trying to suppress giggles as we observe the kids fighting each other.

I'd also like to think that the vast majority of us 8 and 16 bit kids figured out the real "moral" of the late 80s and most of the 90s: Competition is good. You should love to see the companies who compete with the company your "chosen system" comes from succeeding and innovating, because it will only lead to more and better games for us all.

All that said keep hating, its kind of cute in a way :)

DaiMacculate

@The Shape: but it's not for "whatever" reason. It's the architecture. PS3 is so different from 360 that it causes all kinds of headaches going from the 360 to PS3. But PS3 to 360 seems to work just fine.

As we all talk about this... a friend's 5th 360 just RRoD

@FtGF: MGS4 is also one of the most anticipated games coming for PS3. Is that a FPS? FFXIII and FFXIII versus are anticipated? Are those FPS games? What about LittleBig Planet. That game made waves when it was demoed...is that a FPS? Warhawk isn't a FPS, Heavenly Sword isn't an FPS, Uncharted isn't an FPS, Super Stardust isn't an FPS neither is Everyday Shooter...Even MS admitted that they need to diversify their library. If Nintendo has proven anything in the last year it's that EVERYONE needs to diversify their library.

Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.

@Korlis: Minidiscs players was the best shit ever, I miss it :( Greatest format for music 10years ago, until mp3 players came, yeah... I actually liked minidisc for the player :P UMD I hate, for price if anything, not that I can watch a movie on a handheld anyway without hurting my neck or something.

Anyway, Sony does not own Blu Ray alone, infact, Sony makes less profit from Blu Ray then Toshiba does from HD-dvd unless someone can prove me wrong. Devil is saint and so forth *cough They are both businesses, and think about themselves, cute how some side with one or the other based on other things. For me, they are the same, but Blu Ray does not scratch as easely and holds more storage so I go with that.

Blu ray was and is the better format between the 2 this time around, and deserves to win. Not that I care that much, I will stick with dvd's for a good while, just as I did with VHS.

Irenicus-the one and only

@Guizzy:
@FtGF:

And do I own either of those? No
Do I want to own either of those? No

I bet that's why Uncharted, Rachet and Clank, Motorstorm, Warhawk and DMC4 are doing so well right?

Sparx88

@Korlis: I just read on engadget saying that Toshiba not only is announcing tomorrow that they will stop production of HD DVD players. They will also stop producing HD DVD drives as a storage device. That's just about ends it...and ms will be offering BR oh...maybe tomorrow.

nxp3

@EnigmaNemesis: I absolutely agree that there is a good possibility that Microsoft intentionally caused the format war to bolster interest in DD. Once all the HD-DVD early adopters realized they got burned I could see many of them looking towards DD vs. dishing out more money for a second hi-def machine (i.e. blu-ray). At least until the price comes down a bit.

The main reason I think PS3 sales are going to steadily increase over this year is the fact that it seems (going by smaller software sales) that a lot of people are buying the system for it's blu-ray technology. That's not necessarily a bad thing, but what it does mean is that Xbox 360 will still win on the software side.

PaulHunter

@Kovitlac: That was pretty much why I went with a HD-DVD rather than BluRay - MiniDisc and Sony's other proprietary formats are doing so well these days... I think it's a shame that BR appears to be winning now that almost all of the support for HD-DVD has gone, but the way I see it, my HD-DVDs aren't suddenly going to stop working. If Microsoft do release a BluRay addon for the 360, it can sit on top of my HD-DVD module.

Korlis

@Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.: True but I've read that it's only that way because it's harder to port a 360 game to the PS3 for whatever reason. (which is rumored to be the cause of many delayed games lately)..

The Shape

@Sparx88:
Stupid argument. At least games sell on the 360 period. Oh and isn't Resistance a FPS one of the best selling games on the PS3? And also one of the most anticipated games to show what the PS3 can really do which is KZ2 is also a FPS wow!

FtGF

I traded in my HD-DVD drive last week while I still could. Its worth 30.00 now and I am sure a lot less as the format dies.
MSFT face reality the format is dead.

Gadgetron

@Sparx88: And the top selling games on the PS3 are? Lemme guess... Resistance? CoD4?

Guizzy

@FtGF: It actually is slightly better. HDMI is essentially a DVI with extra wires for sound. DVI was made to perform better on LCD and projectors and it's a digital format. VGA is best for CRTs and is an analogue format. That's all in theory, but technically HDMI is better in relation to people using HDTVs.

Anemone

@Fallible: But if we are to try and have a discussion on subjective opinions (because there's no way to have one on objective ones), we need to compare with the same set of opinions. That's what reviewers are for. And it so happens that reviwers seem to like Xbox 360 exclusives quite a lot more than PS3 exclusives. Unless you're into that whole "conspiracy theory", that oughta mean something.

But hey, it's true reviewers are not ALWAYS right; god knows I love some games reviewers hate. The Dynasty Warriors series come to mind.

Guizzy

@The Shape: but this isn't true in every case. It has already been stated that when it comes to cross platform games that development always goes better when the game is native to the PS3 and then ported to the 360. If it's done the other way around, then the PS3 version suffers. If you look at CoD4, Devil May Cry4 and Burnout Paradise, these games were native to the PS3 and the quality is unmistakable (with CoD4 being developed by a dedicated PS3 team). Lost Planet and Oblivion look to be the exception with both ports running pretty good on PS3 even though the 360 versions were out first. Now if you look at the exclusives which is what truly makes a console shine (not the ports which is a retarded ass backwards belief that needs to go away) again, PS3 has already shown great potential. As I've said time and again, development only gets better on hardware. Not worse. Why would you or anyone else expect PS3 development to stagnate?

@Guizzy: If you aren't playing FPS, PC ports or racing games, you'll be hard pressed to find anything else that's going to consistently rank high on 360. The library is dominated by those games. FPS games, PC ports, racing games, PC ports of FPS games. 360 has been out longer so the library should be more diverse with quality software. Is it? Besides, metacritic cannot be trusted when accumulated scores gave the craptastic NMH and MoH2:Heroes good scores. ZiiiIIING!

Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.

@MrBionic:

Only thing is that Sony it the main company behind BR, they developed it in the same manner as BetaMax and MD...

Anyhow, good riddance, now M$ gief BR player, you know there is profit in doing so, hurry up ^^

Also I have an uncle who works at Microsoft who told me 2 years ago that the reason they sold the HD-DVD drive as a standalone was because they wanted to leave their doors open, therefore I for one wouldn't be surprised if we see an 360 BR add-on.

TakeoNinja

@RobKramble: How exactly is this Microsoft's fault? They certainly didn't want to send all the money they invested in HD-DVD down the can. Blame the studios and retailers that backed out of supporting it, essentially signing its death warrant.

Korlis

@The Shape: Not really, but unlike me you did not take the time to read my posts etc. Oh and "later".

Irenicus-the one and only

@brent_w: Just like Americans buying a sack of shit with a stamp saying "Microsoft"

Jagzthebest

@Irenicus-the one and only: "I don't care if you are pro something but you registered here for the sole purpose of bitching about 1 console and defending another" -Well I gess we have something in common afterall. later.

The Shape

@The Shape: anananananalalalalalalyze? lol I'm sorry that you think of me as a waste of time. Don't be surprised if most of Kotaku feels the same way about you.

So far all your posts here are anti ps3 or pro 360, I don't care if you are pro something but you registered here for the sole purpose of bitching about 1 console and defending another, but I guess whatever rocks your boat, GL man.

Irenicus-the one and only

@The Shape: Well that seems simple, avoid the comments. You have to scroll down to read them.

360 is sliding down a little and Sony is moving up moderately. Not that huge a deal, though I class myself as a Sony fanboy.

SSJPabs

@Guizzy:

Yes but like Evil-J said as the first post, how many of those sell? Funny how despite all these "other" games may be out there, how many do you actually hear about? If you ask anyone what the top 5 games on the 360 would be I can 90% guarantee you that Halo, Bioshock, CoD and Gears of War on on there. Want to take a guess as to what all these games have in common? Surprise!

Sparx88

@Irenicus-the one and only: Hey lets over analalyze some more! your a waste of time, so i'm just going to have to agree to disagree.

The Shape

@The Shape: Chainsawing people in half is fun, the first time it happens. It soon gets repetitive and dull, very much like the rest of the game I believe. I'm sorry if this is the first time you've seen an opinion expressed but hey, it had to happen one day.

Fallible

@Sparx88: Didn't the FPS-on-the-360-myth get disproven a while ago?
[kotaku.com]

Guizzy

@The Shape: Skip it? I can't recall that part at all no. And I'm sorry to dissapoint you, I'm not a typical ps3 fanboy, I don't even own a ps3, why don't you go back to System wars, they miss you over there.

Irenicus-the one and only

@Guizzy: Thats 1 game it's still not exactly common.

The Shape

@The Shape: Like others say, doom, alien whatever. The weapon/gun isn't what made GeoW anyway, it is, well was a great game, no doubt. But it does trouble me if the only thing you can think about in defence of Geow is the chainsaw, thats says a lot about you.

But the same you are arguing to him about is the same "crime" you make yourself guilty of. Being a fanboy you are, did I do my Yoda right?

Irenicus-the one and only

This is kind of a slap in the face to all of the owners of the drive that have to watch it die after spending $100+ on it and the movies to watch on it. Microsoft has to realize that if they keep shit like this up, they're going to lose a large bit of their fanbase.

RobKramble

@Impul5se:
The Blu-Ray player on the PS3 does have a better pic then the HD DVD add on when played through the 360. If you hook up the addon to a PC it looks great through Power-DVD. All things being equal Blu-Ray and HD-DVD transfers are identical(for the same movie of course).
Again all things being equal hdmi is really not any better then vga for pic quality.

FtGF

@Irenicus-the one and only: typical PS3 fanboy over analyzing to make a stupid point. Warhawk and resistance were just the first to come to mind. I play everything with the exception of RPG's and anything of that sort.. Racing, sports, adventure, action, simulator, you name it. You must have skipped the part where I said I'd eventually own a PS3, huh?

The Shape

@Guizzy:

Because I like to play videogames, and I'm not gonna get the same experiences on 360 that Sony or Nintendo are going to offer. Microsoft serves a niche, just like the others.

But yeah, I don't buy into all the console war bull. Everyone can argue as much as they like. I'm just in this to play great games, and I know Sony's track record. Seems like history repeating itself to me, but what do I know?

CaptLtrl

@hiddenryuu: Beh; beat me to it!

Guizzy

@The Shape: While I agree with the sentiment, that's a bad example.

DOOM anyone?

Guizzy

@Guizzy:

what games? The only one I'm even remotely interested in in Lost Odyssey and given all the bad press around it I've learned to cope. See unlike most people I don't see the need to play 5-6 different shooters.Dress tehm up any way you like but its still the same thing

Sparx88

DOOM anyone?

hiddenryuu

@Fallible: I am legit. End of your story. And if you honestly think gears was "bland" then you've obviously never played it. Cause chainsawing people in half is just soo overly common in videogames nowadays, isn't it?

The Shape

@zoesch: No, actually, I was saying I'M TROLLING. But if it's so important for you people to vent frustrations by answering a troll, be my guest. I'm having a blast seeing how many people get worked up by my mostly-true-but-distinctly-worded-to-offend-PS3-owner comments.

I didn't play too much Kameo and PDZ because I didn't buy a Xbox 360 before it had games to justify the purchase. Bought PDZ when it became cheap and didn't regret the purchase, but wouldn't have bought it at full price.

@Sparx88: Good for you, it's just a bit sad that you're missing out on so many games, but if you don't really want my pity, then I'll save it for someone else.

Guizzy

@The Shape: So wait, you are only interested in fps games for the PS3 but owned 70 games for PS2, are there even 70 FPS for the PS2?

If thats not what you mean then you must be saying you like other genres, you just don't like to try them for the ps3, because you hate the ps3, because it was name-calling you or something...

Irenicus-the one and only

@The Shape: Well you've clearly won me over with your personal opinions being so clearly unbiased. It's obvious you're a fan of the 360, which is nice for you. I could care less for sales figures, I play games for entertainment value, and for me, Halo was meh, Gears of War was bland and Bioshock was something that didn't interest me. I can't think of a game on the 360 since it's release that's really had me excited other than Oblivion and that too was eventually sent to the PS3 in a convenient Game of the Year package, expansions included.
Now, obviously some of you will feel the same way concerning the PS3 and that's your own personal choice. But, to say that multi platform games aren't becoming more of a standard in todays market is, well, insane.
If you look at the past six months more and more games have been going multi platform if they have the potential to sell well. Orange Box being the most significant, a great game in it's own right and so the logical step was to send it to the consoles. At this point in time it's safe to assume that if a game comes out I'm interested in I'll be able to get it on the PS3 assuming it's not Halo or Gears of War, and if you own a 360 you can substitute the examples for Metal Gear and Uncharted.
Anyway, I'm rambling and so I'll conclude my little point: does anyone actually care if the marginal difference of scores a game receives from an internet reviewer is one or two points less than what it received on a competitors console? I've played both the 360 and PS3 version of Call of Duty 4, I can't spot a significant difference, and so at the end of the day I don't care.
I long for the day when gamers can see eye to eye and agree than gaming is just fun.

Fallible

@Irenicus-the one and only: I've played the games on the PS3 that I THOUGHT would interest me, (warhawk and resistance) and they did nothing for me. And I am far from a fanboy. I own every current gen console and handheld with the exception of the PS3. I loved the PS2 and had over 70 games for it back in the day. I will probably eventually own a PS3 but as of right now I can't justify buying one.. no reason to.

The Shape

I would have to say that the HD DVD add-on for the 360 would make much of a difference in sales. With microsoft and there digital HD distribution they should be fine. only thing about that is that its more like you renting the movie not buying it.

MXs219

@Guizzy:

and we don't? I may not have game upon game because I'm picky about what I buy to play but what I do have (about 10 titles) has kept me in dutch. In fact of all the games I have only 1 is multiplatform. Those two particular games are still a ways off and I've got almost another 10 titles between now and those releases to keep me happy.

Now if you didn't do the gushing thats fine. I don't act that way over games that much either but its just not fair to assume that all Sony people do is spout those same titles over and over again when most of us don't.

Sparx88

If anyone was trying to screw people over it was Sony for forcing us to pay for a BluRay player back when the war was was still tied. Plus, considering how Sony lost the LAST format war, I would have picked HD early on, anyway.

Oh well - at least I can still enjoy Transformers on my HD player:)

Kovitlac

@Guizzy: Yeah right, we're all trolling... except for you. I played a ton of things on my original XBox and finished my PS2 collection in between games. I'm sure you played a ton of "Fantastic" games during the 360's first year... I'm sure Kameo and PDZ were well worth the money. I'm glad you enjoy your box, doesn't explain the amount of vinegar that seems to flow through your veins, but whatever makes you feel superior.

Re: Payout... at least bother to follow your own links... "supposed payouts" from "undisclosed sources". Read the balance sheets, that's more factual. Or do you think MS/Toshiba went public with the Paramount deal because it was good PR?

zoesch

I would laugh at all this if the head of $ONY and M$ were having a cup of tea and laughing at all these comments together.

hiddenryuu

@paydirt76: Because you're one of the few logical PS3 buyers. Yes, if you're into the market for a HD movie player, DO BUY A PS3.

Because it's probably the only way to be sure not to get "The Shaft" when the Blu-Ray Consortium decides to release Blu-Ray profile 16.4332

Guizzy

*tsst* BURN! That being said common MS. I have a ps3 for a bluray player which is all well and good, but a 360 bluray add-on would be great! It would mean no more lugging the ps3 into the basement.

SolidOni_ds

@The Shape: Next time play something before you smack. Only a fanboy would say that ps3 or 360 not to mention the Wii or ds+psp does not have some, sometimes a few but still a bunch of stunning exclusives.

Irenicus-the one and only

If it is games that sell consoles, then why am I about to buy a PS3 solely for the Bluray (and maybe future gaming)

paydirt76

@teeth7: Yeah, well actually, Blu Ray is the superior format. I can't see anyone arguing that, not now anyway with latest updates etc. Blu Ray is the better format.

Also, MS Windows, great example of POS that wins the day, after day and again.

Irenicus-the one and only

@Fallible: PS3.. good exclusives? ha. I consider myself an avid gamer and if the PS3 had soo many STUNNING exclusives I would have bought a PS3 a long time ago.

The Shape

@nxp3: "too... comp..li...cated"

Thats how they feel, people that don't own a PS3.

Irenicus-the one and only

@Impul5se:
See Impul5se, when you respond all nice like that you make me feel bad for going nuts on you. Sorry about that.

I'm basing my opinion off of owning both and giving the PS3 the edge in viewing (slight edge at that), and several reviews of their respective upscalers I've read. Basically the 360 fails a lot of benchmarks for de-interlacing and the like, and the PS3 is regarded as one of the best upscalers/DVD players on the market (with the latest firmware of course - the old one before upscaling wasn't that great).

theflux

@zoesch: Actually, beat each one once. On hard, though. But I've also played Mass Effect, Gears of War, GRAW, Forza 2, Viva Pinata, Dead Rising, Call of Duty 2, none of which are available on the PS3. What has the average PS3 player played that I haven't? Ratchet and Clank. Uncharted. Well, that's it folks!
I don't understand the need to answer to obvious trolling. But just because I can't understand it doesn't mean I can't appreciate it.

Also: PAYOUT
[gizmodo.com]

@fallible: Are they? Last I checked, COD4 sells better on the 360 than on the PS3.

By that time in its lifespan, the 360 already had Gears of War (94 on Metacritic), GRAW (90), Call of Duty 2 (89).

@CAPTLTRL: I hope he does as well, I think the inconvenience would be minimal compared to the money I could sue out of him for it. But more seriously; but if MGS4 is the main reason you're buying a PS3, why not wait until it's out or close to it before doing so?

@SPARX88: While I didn't do so, I feel it's necessary to mention that I never gushed all over the game either. It's pretty good, but I'm not a Halo fan, personally. I'd also take the time to mention that by the time Halo 3 came out, Xbox 360 buyers already had an ample game catalog to base their purchase on.

Guizzy

@KingDavid73: Dude, superior technology loses to something else due to market circumstances all the time. That's even assuming that HD-DVD is superior technology, which it may not be, and which I am not interested in debating.

Viz, Sony put Blu-Ray in every PS3, and sold a few million units on the Playstation name alone. And... that's it. Better market penetration at the crucial time wins it over what may or may not be superior technology.

teeth7

@Impul5se: Your DVD looks better on HD DVD drive in what sense? Sometimees it has to do with your TV image inhancing features. My bluray use to look choppy until I turned off my tv image enhancer and let the ps3 do it's job. You can change some settings for dvd in the ps3, unscaling and stuff.

nxp3

(addendum): Five fantastic consoles if you count handhelds.

MrBionic

@DaiMacculate: Pretty neat balls.

Irenicus-the one and only

@manjikengo: You're a dick. Jamzy is cool. Atleast he has the balls to shave into his head what he believes in.

That is one of the funniest single sentences I've ever read on this site ;)

DaiMacculate

@MrBionic: Thank you, thank you, thank you!

zoesch

Having HD DVD as an addon for 360 was barely useful because you can only use it to play hidef movies, and now it looks grim for HDDVD. The thing is, MS was not going to use HDDVD for games, nor will it use Bluray for games if it was available. So it would not benefit gamers at all. The beauty of bluray for the ps3 is that the ps3 can utilize it to make better games, that's an advatage MS will never have even if it did go bluray.

nxp3

@The Shape: Someone needs to learn to read the whole post rather than just what will help them form an insult. I clearly stated that from the facts Guizzy was providing the PS3's multi-platform titles were doing better than their Xbox 360 counterparts.
Speaking of that though, why exactly is that considered a joke anyway? I would have thought that if the PS3 was really lacking any good exclusive games titles such as Call of Duty 4 would be doing much better on the PS3 than on say, the 360.
From what I've seen in my area that statement is true, more often than not most multi-patform games will sell faster on the PS3.

Fallible

@kingdavid73

Uh proof that Sony ever paid off someone for Blu-ray?
The only company that there is proof that they paid off someone was Microsoft to Paramount to go HD-DVD....

Sony never paid a cent to switch people over.

JoelR

When it comes right down to it.. anyone that refuses to see that the market has 3 downright fantastic consoles on the market offering a wide range of games and entertainment for *everyone*, and instead feels the need to poof up like a peacock about the system they decided to buy is doing the entire industry and all their fellow gamers a disservice.

Yet it'll go on ad infinitum, because if there's something humanity loves, it is feeling like we're superior in some way, no matter how misguided or false it really is.

MrBionic

@Fallible: multiplatform games doing better on the PS3 hahah, that was a joke right?

The Shape

@TinyLightning: Maybe, but the 360 itself would have been a hideous failure.

teeth7

@Guizzy:

Why can't people get pumped over MGS4 and FFXIII? I didn't see you telling 360 fans to back off when every day it was Halo this and Halo that about 3-4 months before it came out. 360 fans hype up games too so lets avoid the double standard shall we?

Sparx88

This seems strangely familiar... like when Nintendo claimed lack of DVD playback in the gamecube wouldn't hurt their sales. Because you know, it's games that sell consoles :)

The most common reason my friends had for picking a PS2 over Cube even after a year was that the PS2 would play DVD's and they didn't have enough money to buy a cube and a dvd player.

With the price drops on PS3, that argument becomes relevant again but for blu-ray instead of dvd. I wonder if this will help move more PS3 units in the end.

cybereal

@KaneRobot: Ah they would output the same picture quality IF I was using the same cables but I'm not, and for some reason I have to use 720p through the VGA cable on my TV, I don't think its got anything to do with the console itself, just my poor choice in TVs and early adoption to the 360 before it had HDMI.
I would love a Blu-Ray player for the 360 too, just as long as it can be updated as the PS3 can be.

Impul5se

@Sparx88:
Actually man, Bret_w made more sense than you. You're both acting childish, but your last post was too much. You really are the more ignorant one if you believe we Americans buy anything because it's "Made In Uh'merica!" Also, it doesn't sound like Bret is a fanboy. I own all three and I vastly prefer the 360 too. It's been an unhealthy points addiction that've kept me buying 360 stuff, not patriotism. If Europe is more aligned with the Sony brand (buncha sony fanboys /kid) than that is cool too. Either of you - does it really matter?

Fun off topic side note - a lot of Japanese cars are made in America, and a lot of American cars are made in Mexico. So all those hypothetical people who always buy American no matter what that are riding around content in their Suburbans are actually less 'patriotic' than the common Camery driver. Found that amusing, that's all.

ca$h

@Impul5se: Seriously, something is wrong there. I'm no fanboy, and I'm the first to admit that the 360 has some great games, but as an upscaling DVD player, the PS3 might be the best one on the market, including stand-alone units.

kingclip

@Guizzy: Multi platform games are here to stay, and they seem to be doing better on the PS3 from the statistics you're throwing out. Perhaps it's a sign of things to come?

Fallible

@Guizzy:

Forgive me for thinking MGS4 is going to be great. I've only loved every game in that series. I must be a sony fanboy for thinking that the next one will also be awesome. Silly me.

I hope Kojima poops on your head.

CaptLtrl

@rluzinski: It is, but hey, it makes for fun reading at times.

zoesch

@Impul5se: Admittedly Blu-rays do look better than their HD-DVD counterparts

Where do you guys come up with stuff like that? Hell, most of the time dual-format releases (usually Warner) used the SAME ENCODE which delivers IDENTICAL RESULTS.

Stuff like this is half the reason Blu-Ray won - they got people to swallow their bullshit marketing, and Toshiba didn't combat it. Now you've got people like my pal here saying that "Blu-Ray looks better" when anyone who knows thing 1 about how this "war" knows it is not the case.

I wouldn't mind a cheap Blu-Ray player for the 360, it would be nice to have a console that can play everything. I'm not buying a Blu-Ray standalone until prices are reasonable and their hardware is finalized.

KaneRobot

@Guizzy: Well, usually when a console has been out for as long as the 360 has it's a dead certainty that they'll have more games out that a relative newcomer such as the PS3. Great games though? That's questionable, none have had me coming back for seconds.

Fallible

@zoesch: I see MGS4 and resistance 2 beaten like red headed stepchildren on this site on a daily basis, so calm down cheif.

The Shape

One month of poor sales? Look at software sales, that may tell you something different.

Muisee

@manjikengo: Believes in? I could shave a monkey on my ass if I was payed a ton by the Zoo. Ass hair? That wasn't my point!

@Madeira: like what? Please explain what makes me a d-bag, is it because I don't want a format to fail like you because I'm not a fanboy? tss tss

Irenicus-the one and only

@The Shape:

Good point, but it only goes as far as how you read it. Sure the 360 may sell more of a game (mostly) but when you look at the ratio of sold copies per install base there's actually a higher % of people buying on the PS3. Besides, most of those games are shooters wherein the 360 has (im assuming) a better controller for that set-up. I'm still waiting to see the DMC4 figures because I would assume that the PS3 version is winning that war

Sparx88

@Guizzy: I guess you're beating Halo and Bioshock for what? The 60th time?

I don't understand the need to act like a complete retard on the internet, you're not witty, you're an idiot.

As for all the people crying PAYOUT! could you all show some links? Otherwise is back to putting another layer on your tinfoil hats.

zoesch

@theflux: Hmm, I don't know, might be something to do with my TV. I've got my PS3 wired up with a HDMI, and the 360 with a VGA cable. Admittedly Blu-rays do look better than their HD-DVD counterparts, but for some reason DVDs look better when played back on the HD-DVD drive rather than on the PS3.

Impul5se

I like coming to this site to see the stupidity that runs in this country

OH NOEZ MY HD-DVD IS GONNA QUIT WORKING SUDDENLY M$ SCREWED ME EVENTHO IT WASNT ATTACHED TO THE CONSOLE AND WAS MY CHOICE FOR PURCHASING IT AND I SEEM TO FORGET THAT THE HD DVDS I HAVE PURCHASED AND THE ONES STILL LEFT IN STORES WILL KEEP WORKING AND I CAN ACTUALLY RIP THEM ONTO MY COMPUTER WITH THE SAME DRIVE M$ USED TO SCREW ME OVER WITH

if you are bitching about it its your own fault, you knew one format would lose out, man up admit it

rodsky

@Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.: You do make some valid points, but you fail to mention that when it comes down to a PS3 vs. 360 port of a game, the 360 puts the PS3 versions to shame when you look at the sales charts. And is it really surprising that xbxo360 console sales are slowing down when compaired to systems that came out a year later than it did? I let the games do the talking, and I'm liking what the 360 is saying :)

The Shape

@KingDavid73: Good point, then again I am inclined to agree with the people were say Microsoft were intentionally trying to get both formats to fail so downloads could be the HD distribution of choice

Impul5se

@Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.: "MGS4, FFXIII, Versus and many other great titles are still coming"

No, you're only assuming they'll be great.

Remember Lair.

Because that's what it comes to. Why buy a console on future games? It won't be more expensive when these games come out, and it's not likely to be out of stock. So why?

If you can't justify buying a console on what's already out, it's a stupid purchase.

Guizzy

@brent_w: they just dont want to buy a console with a 33% failure rate... who could blame them.

topbravo222

I doubt the HD-DVD addon effected people buying the Xbox360. I haven't heard of a person saying "Yippie, HD-DVD on my goddamn 360, and at such a cheap price!". How many of the HD-DVD addons where actually sold anyway?

Flawless101

@bobtheduck: Hey, I have to keep occupied at work in order to make money to buy that immense amount of games that are basically all screaming: "Buy me! I'm a great Xbox 360 game that isn't available on the PS3! Buy me!"

Guizzy

@Gagamus: that's what I think. MS still has a few games in the pipeline but a lot of people don't seem to realize that MS blew their A+ wad last year.

Ps3s are selling. It's a fact. Wii skated passed the 360 without breaking a sweat, year head start be damned. xbox360 is dead in japan. it's over...actually they were never in the race there. Ps3 is gaining much speed in Europe. Now with HD-DVD dead, more than a few people are going to buy the PS3 for the BRplayer alone. Then they'll be reminded that MGS4, FFXIII, Versus and many other great titles are still coming. IT's looking more and more like a Sony, Nintendo battle with PSP gaining ground everywhere, DS showcasing games that we didn't think possible on the portable, Wii selling like E at a rave and Ps3 sales picking up everywhere. MS still has the RRoD to deal with, a HD-DVD addon that's destined to eventually become a paperweight in the distant future, a lineup that doesn't look quite as good as PS3s in 08 and the stigma of not catering to the audience Nintendo pimped the world with.

these are interesting times brethren

Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.

@KittenKiller: You just have to explain to her rational side, that it's a dead parrot and that it's nothing personal.
Oh... I forgot we were talking about women there, so rational and women are mutually exclusive.

sauvage

"we will continue to give consumers the choice to enjoy digital distribution of high definition movies and TV shows directly to their living room along with playback of the DVD movies they already own."

Is this an admission thar Microsoft will bring out a Blu-ray player once HD-DVD is dead? They make no mention of keeping HD-DVD playback only DVD and HD movies. Or alternatively, this week they will finally announce the Xbox360 with HD-DVD built in. That would certainly keep that format war alive.

sauvage

there should be an asterik at the end:

*as of 2/18/08.

JackTretton

Guys just use the HD DVD add on as a drive on your pc and rip movies with it. There is plenty of movies out and I have already picked up some really cheap as people are jumping ship. I already have quite a few movies on my HTPC. But that's a personal thing since I like having my media on my PC.

FtGF

@rluzinski: you not only hit the nail on the head, you made the nail your bitch. +1

The Shape

@baked ham: Nah; don't you understand? The next generation will be called next-next-generation! Or maybe, in the spirit of Street Fighter, Next gen EX Turbo Alpha.

And why, when "Star Trek: Deep Space Nine" started airing, didn't they rename "Star Trek: The Next Generation" "Star Trek: The Last Generation"? Come to think of it, why didn't they name it "Star Trek: The Current Generation" while it was running?

Food for thought.

Guizzy