@Malmer: No hardware is ever finished. All systems get updated for most of their lifespan.

Sinnbox

@HykCraft: do you know how many time they revised the PS2? Anyone who has worked on a PS2 will tell you...many, many times.... they just didn't tell the whole world.

Sinnbox

Odd that Valhalla is the new one - I mean, if Opus is going into refurbished consoles (ones which have technically died), shouldn't that be Valhalla?

Eh, who knows.

Aimless

I was right not to buy a 360 / wait for the 65nm's.
This hardware won't ever be finished.

Phew!

Malmer

Hardware everywhere is constantly being updated, we just hear about it more often nowadays.

psychobaka

Anyone else think that Valhalla is kind of an ominous name? I mean, death in battle? Either that or it's an extremely poor joke. I'm all for tech humour, in most cases, but the 360 is way past the point where it's okay for them to crack jokes about its failure rate...

monkeybeach

I've got an original 360, and don't plan on buying into a fancy new-chipped one until they actually add, idk, ADDITIONAL FEATURES. Sure, faster loads or whatever is great, but honestly, if it plays the game, I could care less.

My360broked

By the time the anyone buys a 360 in 2010, the xbox 720 will be out.

zerokoolpsx

I can't beleive 360 fanboys keep falling for the millions of xbox releases but the inside of the machine remains the same, crashes and lockups. Looks like every week a new xbox this or that comes out. Falcon, shmalcon, it's all going to die, save yourself some money. Get another machine...a PC even...but not a 360. Next week, xbox, blue, green, yellow and clear xbox coming. They need an xbox with a thermometer on it, that way you can shut it down before it dies.

nxp3

@Toasticus: Dude that fan is loud as f**k as soon as you turn it on. The 360 has a cheap crapy fan and it needs to be upgraded along with the chipset.

Phenom88

@Deadeyereborn: Heh.... tried that... they just politely ignore you.

Nick

IRRATIONAL FEAR GO!
hey if you're considering jumping in the water at this point, might as well do it. Hell I had a launch unit that automagically healed itself while I was on the phone with the Microsoft Support Rep we were both shocked and the system played on happily for 6 more months (had it for a year and a half). No problems so far with the refurb.

Rususeruru

@KnightRider: In related news, the 360 I got in Christmas 06 finally decided to Red Ring. I had kept it motionless, isolated and in the open to keep it cool, but shit still happened.

In a way, I'm relieved. I'd been expecting it to happen at any moment for the past year.
Besides, I have to study anyway, and my roommate has a PS3, so two weeks to a month of downtime shouldn't be an issue.

Still, Microsoft better come up with a fix for the general problems of the 360. You should be able to put a gaming console in your entertainment center without having to worry about it's chip distending from heat, and you should be able to accidentally nudge it without worrying about a scratched disc.

Frankly, I wonder how MS can afford *not* to find a complete fix for the newer consoles it builds. The customer service, shipping, repairs, and new parts/consoles ought to add up after a person is sending in their 360 for their second or third time.

Sparkamus

So, for 5 years MS has been concentrating on fixing the RROD. Then, 5 more years on fixing the second major problem: Disc-read errors. And to finalize, 5 more years to make the system quiet. :D .
Reading a disc (CD/DVD/BD) at high rotational speed is quite problematic, moreover if it's dual-layer, I reckon. I bet these disc-read problems will stay for quite some time. And Sony may have the same trouble with BD-DL.

somarix

I have to wait until freakin' 2010 to buy a 360??"

Koneesha

As much as I like to hate on them, and hope the PS3 will continue to rise and do well, I like stories like this. If they can just make one that's almost certain to last 5+ years, I'M THERE. C'mon MS, you used to make (or license) kickass hardware...

fuchikoma

OMG Microsoft, you have all the money in the world and can't even make a machine that works. My Xbox360 has been on the fritz for a while now. Some games play fine, others crash after 10-15 minutes. I even sent it back, but they did a crappy job fixing it and its still only about 90% operational.

I was planning on just buying a new one but no I have the wait another 2 years. The freakin' PS4 will be out by the time Microsoft finally brings a reliable console to market.

cybereality

@Strangelove: Opus sounds a whole lot better than 'X360ChipsetModel:183736b81625zh2658.5111.111.2.c' don't it?

art_zombie

I can imagine a sea of xenon consoles in a warehouse as far as the eye can see.

grtkev

It makes you feel bad about getting the console, because suddenly they're saying "It'll work slightly better and have more features in a couple of years". That makes it even worse. I wouldn't have had the new chipsets if my friend didn't take apart my 360(voiding the warranty without my permission) and had bought me a Halo 3 Xbox to replace it.

Just MAKE IT WORK IN THE FIRST PLACE and sell it. Sony has a similar issue, except the console gets worse each reincarnation, just a little cheaper. It really pisses some people off, but this time the thrifty ones instead of the quality freaks. I myself will go all out for quality, meanwhile a ton of people I know will complain about the cost dropping.

Codexx

It's discussions like these that make me feel damn lucky that my launch-day 360 hasn't red ringed on my yet!

*knocks on wood desk

KnightRider

@manjikengo: Oh snap...That would suck.

Del Deadeyes

I seriously hope there's a much better system in letting consumers use their DRM-infested files that were purchased via the XBL Marketplace on a new console SKU.
I purchased a 360 a few months ago with full intentions of replacing it when a newer chipset later, and I've been wary to purchase anything - though I've gotten quite a bit of free DLC.

The last I heard, people are still having to jump through hoops to use their purchased content even on newly replaced consoles.
If this isn't fixed/addressed, I seriously will never purchase anything from the marketplace. It's ridiculous that you have to pay a premium for a service that gives you NO support for dealing with this company-created issue - when other consoles don't charge monthly and have a much more liberal policy on helping the consumer.
I'm really disgusted by Microsoft's policy in this area.

Arttemis

From the article after the jump,

"The Opus project is a "Falcon" generation motherboard designed to fit in a Xenon case."

and

"Opus solves a major hardware recycling and inventory problem since Microsoft currently has millions of used Xenon cases from RRODed dead systems and this lets them use most of the good parts from the millions of dead Xenons but with a newer tested more reliable motherboard."

Key Word...

MILLIONS OF DEAD XENONS

Just how many Xbox gets RROD and in turn, gets shipped back to MS Repair Centers? No wonder why there is a shortage of Xbox...

Anyway, so Opus is basically MS casting lvl 4 Raise Undead right?

Gummyworm

@Tepoz:

Oh, trust me, I already own the PS3. Bought it about a year ago.

I just lament the fact that the device I bought works about as well as an old Ford Pinto.

PapaBear434

Funny how when I'm considering finally buying a 360, they go and make new, less RRODable chips.

Also, "I have to wait until freakin' 2010 to buy a 360??"

swirldude

I figure that the Valhalla will go into a redesigned 360 that will be slim down from the current version. I just hope they some how can make the current console design quieter by putting in a better DVD drive and a fan that isn't so loud. If they get the noise problems fixed, then I have no problem buying a 360 in the near future.

madflava

Enough of these motherfucking SKUs! Boycott!

7ucky

@Strangelove: I would have preferred "Kelowna" or "Banff" myself.
Maybe a good "Kamloops" or "Mt. Athabasca".
Maybe even "Lake Minnewanka"!

Oh yes, how I miss Canada.

RPharazonius: PELICANS

@Del Deadeyes:

25 nm chips the last 2 weeks.

manjikengo

@Collapse The Control:

I could use a new one.

manjikengo

Christ, can it be my job to just name these things?

underthechestnuttree

@SuperFox: Opus is the penguin in Bloom County, and Falcon is a Ford product.

B

As long as the titles keep coming to PC, I'm picking up the BETTER PC version.

dadeisvenm

@KaneRobot:

The names are in the media, and the chips are referred to by name. I seriously doubt there was no thought behind the chip names other than for internal purposes. I'm not picking on MS, my point is that product names from chips to cars (The Tundra, Expedition, etc.) to wars are pretty silly. Pardon me if you can't find the humor in that.

Strangelove

@CollapseControl: With the 360 failure rates, you'll have to buy every upgdate... sadly.

redfoxx

Wow.That's impressive.MS plans on releasing a functional
360 iteration 4-5 years AFTER it's launch.Way to go.

coktoe

Now we're waiting on MS (in the Xbox 360's final run) to say 'We've now put 45nm chips in newer consoles."

Woot. :-/

Del Deadeyes

Garbage; I wouldn't care about the the Opus or whatever if they made the original 360's functional in the first place. I'm sure the PS3 and Wii are getting better chipsets, but no one's talking about it because why? The harware for Sony and Nintendo actually WORKS in the older formats.

redfoxx

Well, I have to say that I got one of the original production runs, mfr date 11-05, and hadn't had one single issue..... Until 3 weeks ago. They fixed it for free, and just got it back. I tried to find out what had been replaced (CPU, GPU, both or neither), but to no avail. Anyone know how to find out the chipset, without removing the case?

StrangeEarth

@HykCraft: Consoles get updated all the time. The original X-Box had like 9 different versions. The PS1 and PS2 also had somewhere in that range. The only reason we hear so much about the 360 versions is because of the history of failure...

and possible updates to fix those failures.

FrigidAir44

@kryo: A form factor reduction for the 360 would be all kinds of awesome. I think Sony's in a much better position to shrink their console though, what with eliminating all the PS2 bits and Cell shrinkage.

@Phenom88: One of the biggest gains of the new chipsets is greatly reduced heat output, which would mean the fans wouldn't work as hard, which would mean they were quieter. Changing out the fans themselves probably wouldn't make much difference, especially at that small diameter. In some consoles (like mine) the disc drive is actually much louder than the fans.

Toasticus

I have to wait until freakin' 2010 to buy a 360??

How about not buying one at all.

:D

Shocky

Whatever, by the time that comes out, i'm sure this gd licensing issue still won't be fixed so no point in buying a new system if I can't have all the stuff i've paid for on it. I've been a user/fan since day 1 of the original console, so sorry for the hostility, but MS can take their new chipsets and SKU's and go **** themselves..

JerrD74: hopes his license issues get fixed soon

When will people realize that this is just another "smokescreen" tactic by MS to make you think they are actually going to fix the Xbox 360. Have people not realized that a different chipset is not the answer, but the CPU, GPU chips popping off the motherboard due to poor installation of the devices is the real reason for RROD. On top of that: disc straching, overheating, DRM issuses, loud noise, are just a few of major product problem this console suffers from.

iiiLIONHEARTiii

@Flawless101: The gameboy(s) would have been a better example to use.

goldwings

excuses excuses... make it right the first time!!

Akmed

I said that before and I'll say it again. Once I hear that MS fixed all these hardware issues close to 95% or once I stop reading that every 7th or so commenter's 360 RROD on them then I'll get one. For now, being a bastard and mooching off my friends is the best I can do.

goldwings

@HykCraft: Yes, because no one else ever did that. (/point sony, PS1,2,3)

Flawless101

All this talk from Microsoft about new chipsets but no talk of a new quieter fan, puzzling.

Phenom88

@Everard: Thanks for the clarification. As my refurb is starting to act up (getting "disc unreadable" errors after playing for about an hour) I think the RRoD is on it's way...maybe I can get an Opus chip on my 4th unit, when my 3rd clunks out!

SuperFox

@DanimalJenkins: Quite a few...although how many were processor upgrades and how many were disc drive upgrades, I am not sure.

SuperFox

Forget chip sizes; when are they going to start including wi-fi in their consoles?

djsyndrome

Maybe by 2010 there finally might be a reason for me to buy a 360! The next Xbox better not come out until 2013 or I'll just wait.

mexfreak86

I can wait forever 'cuz I don't plan to buy a 360 anyway.

OT79

If the Valhalla chipset came with Odin and an army of Einherjar I'd definitely buy another 360! Maybe that's their new strategy to win the colsole war?

Seriously though, good on Microsoft for trying to solve the RROD problem, but it all seems a bit 'too little, too late' for me.

Nauser

2010? so it only took them 5(+) years to get it right? gj MS!

LeBaron

Does anyone recall how many versions of the PS2 came out? I'd say at least a cool half-dozen. You could tell what was what by the model number on the back. Hardware is always being upgraded, but now for some reason they've decided to start announcing they're changing the guts of systems, instead of just doing it.

Oh that's right, colossal system failures.

DanimalJenkins

Makes it cheaper, more efficient, and more reliable.

Dishwasher

@HykCraft:

Makes it cheaper to produce, more efficient and more reliable...

Dishwasher

any news of newer optical drives? The current one sounds like it's grinding games, esp RPGs. Every once and a while, when drunk, I have to stop my game and take it out to make sure it's not being turned to dust.

MoogPaul

@SuperFox: Sounds like it won't have HDMI, so it will fit in the old Xenon cases.

Everard

@SAKY: You gotta pass the pending "D-bag list"

Collapse The Control

@Collapse The Control: @SAKY:

Yes, I too would like a 360.

Gordon_Shumway

to those complaining claiming its a new sku, it isnt.
just like sony is gonna be putting the reduced size blu ray diodes or whatever in the new ps3 they build, ms does same with chipsets they all do it .every single electronic product ever made does this.its not a new sku its a way to manufacture the product faster and cheaper and hopefully more reliably.i do wonder why people know the code names for ms`s though.

Truepatriot

@ DEADEYEREBORN

I'm pointlessly hoping for the same thing. Well, this is what I get for being an early adopter. On the other hand, at least my PS3 has BC.

RandalGraves

@PapaBear434: Go ahead and drop it and go to a PS3. There are good games for the PS3 that will hold you over until the 360 bugs are worked out. I did that with the PS2 when I went to the Xbox for awhile until Sony corrected their DRE defects.

Tepoz

It could be that the new chipset "valhalla" could be in the next generation of xbox. Why would they wait until 09/2010 to release an xbox 360 with a new chipset and not just put out a new console. By that time this console cycle will be all but over.

Mr Fortitude

@Collapse The Control: I'm going to hold you to that promise :) Where should I send my shipping info?

SAKY

So Microsoft is unveiling it's Spring line of band-aids?

Nightshift Nurse: Nursier and Shiftier

My launch console is still going strong. I even opened the bitch up a year ago and dynamatted it... before they extended the warranty... assholes.

Regardless, it's still alive, no problems!

impreza

Next is Blood Gultch and Hang Em' High cipsets.

SAKY

@Deadeyereborn: good luck with that (getting replacement unit with HDMI).

when my 2nd 360 broke, the replacement unit they sent me had an OLDER manufacturing date than the one I'd sent back; meaning, probably still lots of old, RRoD-prone refurbs in the system.

Can't wait to hear of ppl who sent an HDMI-equipped unit for exchnage because of hardware failures and received an HDMI-less refurb in return. that'll help Microsoft's already iffy reputation as a console maker...

monsieur_tran

I'll purchase a 360 for EVERYBODY, except the multiple douchbags on this site!

Collapse The Control

sheesh it takes this long to make a quality console.

resetbutton

they'll have the XBox 360 RROD-free just in time to launch their new console and drop all support for it!

notakujustraku

I've been waiting for a reliable 360 to come out before I take the plunge, but at this point I might as well just wait until the next MS system comes out and see if that is any better...

durrem

@baked ham: If I am remembering correctly, the Halo360s could contain either chip. It depends on when it was made and the lot number.

Xenobula

Raziel66 - you're not the only one thinking about this, and I don't want this to sound like an attack (which it isn't), but do you understand how strange that sounds - they've provided you with a rotten product in terms of reliability. The repair process is so annoying (and likely to fail) that you are thinking it's no longer 'worth it'...so you're going to buy an Elite. You respond to bad manufacturing, design, and customer service by purchasing another of their most expensive products. I was in EXACTLY the same boat, right down to buying a 'backup' Elite..but that one failed too (so much for Falcon=better)...the best option is to save that cash and jump ships IMNSHO

phloog

Now I'm not sure whether to wait for the GPU shrink, or the upcoming Valhalla chipsets...

Decisions...
;_;

Uchikoma

@Hypnotoad222:

So, rubbing virgin blood on the box will keep it alive!? I wish I had known this sooner!

PapaBear434

@CollapseControl:

If you're telling the truth, it must be AWESOME to be rich AND retarded.

Fantus

Well I now know that I will be waiting for a jasper. Early 2009 Xbox 360 here I come

Magnum1024k

Okay then, when my Falcon will be broken I want new Valhalla.

cmq

@silkylove:
Nah, the RRoD is just your Xbox's way of telling you that it's hungry for the blood of children.

Hypnotoad222

@HykCraft: Because every company does it. Sony did the same thing with the PS2 last generation.

Stormrider

@Jakaricat1:

Amen.

Fantus

@CollapseControl:

For your sake, I hope that was sarcasm.

PapaBear434

@PwnySlaystation:

HE HAS A PENIS?

tamago007

This is could be helpful for users who have sent their consoles in for repairs.

But I'm all for lowering costs of the console. Wonder what the price will be in 2009...

exkon

It does rather sound like Microsoft is trying to put together a "Power Ranger" like team.

Next time, MS, just make a board that works right the first time. Then you won't have to worry about it.

My fifth 360 is finally suppose to be here Monday, after being held up in Texas since mid November. I am completely disillusioned with the X-Box brand at this point.

PapaBear434

@mva5580: The difference with console upgrades (within the same generation atleast), is that all of the games play on all of the different versions of the console

jjpember

@CollapseControl:

how does Bill Gate's penis taste?

PwnySlaystation

Zephyr! Falcon! Jasper! Opus! Valhall!

Go 360-tron Froce!

TaggarT6

@KaneRobot: Yes and these code names are generally made up without a lot of thought. The whole nordic theme started because someone had a cat named loki... These names are generally meaningless as they don't confuse the competition and mainly exist because people like making up cute names and pretending they are working on top-secret stuff.

jeblis

It's great if that takes care of the three red lights problems that have caused me to go through three 360's. Still it doesn't do anything for those of us in Red Ring Limbo where they just keep sending us refurbed 360's that aren't really "fixed" and break every 3-6 months.

Trying not to be overly whiiiiiny, I was going for more of a pissed and for good reason post.

lostalaska

As to reiterate, LO is starting to make my Xbox 360 have disc read errors...

Looks like very soon, I will have to get a 3rd replacement.

RPGr

I think mine is about to ring again. This'll be my third time sending it out. It's making weird grinding sounds when it reads discs and keeps refusing to read Graw 2. Can't tell you how many times I had to reset the console in order to play last night :( I'm about to just give up and buy an Elite. Going through Microsoft doesn't seem worth it.

Raziel66

@baked ham: some are zephyr, some are falcon. depends on the manufacturing team and the manufacture date.

3inst3in

@GPman:

The DRM issue can be easily solved, actually. All you have to do if you have a DRM issue with a replacement console is just delete your gamertag, recover it, delete your DLC, then redownload it.

iamnotdryad

OR you could just buy a PS3. Sure it costs more, library's smaller being newer. But it has blu-ray, free online network and more importantly: It.. works.

Jakaricat1

I need a chipset that is called "won't crash"

RPGr

I don't have to wait till 2010 to never buy a 360?

(Much sooner, on my PC, will come Mass Effect Gaming for Windows...and wonderful lesbian alien sex!)

SigmundTheSeaMonster

@HykCraft: From what I know, its normal for any console to go through multiple revisions throughout a generation. I'm guessing the only reason we hear about the 360's revisions are because people in the gaming media think it might interest us to know about them, seeing as how the 3RL is a widely talked about problem.

josh924

By 2010 it's too late, remember the ps3 will beat out the 360 by then. MS is hopeless.

nxp3

I love it how everyone complains about PC's being so messed up as a gaming platform because of the ever constant changing hardware, yet it's pretty damn obvious consoles are going the same way.

Seems to me like it's pointless to buy a console now right when it's released, as they'll just come out with a better, more efficient version of it at some point.

mva5580

@HykCraft: "WTF do they need to keep revising their consoles? Frickin' absurd."

Every manufacturer revises their consoles. The internet just makes it so we're more aware of it.

@Strangelove: "Opus"? "Valhalla"? What's next, the Oeuvre or Ragnorok chipset? It reminds me of "Operation Iraqi Freedom" or some other useless such name. Ah, the beauty of PR.

What the hell are you talking about? This has nothing to do with PR, these are internal codenames for the chipsets.

KaneRobot

@CollapseControl: People try to call me a fanboy geez

Kyle81

@baked ham: They're a mix of both, so you'll have to check by team and lot number (or, for more accuracy, do the flashlight test).

June

Quite honestly, the rrod is the big reason I haven't picked one up yet. I really don't like the idea of having to sending it in (possibly a few times)or paying $100 for an extended warranty to swap it it instore the next day. The then dlc drm issue on top of it is making me hold off. However I'll probably cave in when GTAIV comes out. :)

GPman

@mind in rewind: Cool. Thanks.

baked ham

Too confusing.

atomos

@HykCraft:
do you jokes?
Consoles get revised normally as part of their life cycle to reduce cost and fix defects. The RROD and continued high estimated failure rates means that yes, they should be revising their console. This is a good and proper thing, but it also means, that, I, like a lot of people will probably not get a 360 until they have eased my fear of console death sufficiently. An extended warranty and the hassle of shipping the console in, is not sufficient for me.

Ehardergardens

Hello. My name is Gordon E. Moore. This is my law.

danecy

@HykCraft: Every single console out there has had revisions. Over and over and over again. There were about 15 hardware revisions of the PS2.

WatershipDown

Umm.. Revising consoles is quite very normal. The PS2 has seen, what, 10 versions?

I like what Sony did with PSTwo, so Valhalla sounds interesting as it could mean a 'mini' 360 SKU.

kryo

I have to wait until freakin' 2010 to still not buy a 360?

Lstormy10

@HykCraft:
Perhaps because it saves energy, requires less cooling and is cheaper to produce.....
Or maybe they have no reason and they just do it for the hell of it.

oman83

@silkylove:

From what my friends who fix ringed 360s say, not just about the heat but the way the motherboard is structured to siphon electricity thus the overheating problem. The Falcon is supposed to alleviate this.

Check the Falcon equipped ones and you're going to see that the powerbrick has a lower wattage requirement...

=)

excaliburps

Whatever happened to that order for the 45nm or 32nm chips?
[kotaku.com]

DARTH_TIGRIS

@HykCraft: They don't HAVE TO...its called technological advances. Things get better, cheaper, faster. Why wouldn't they? Look at a PC you bought a year ago, it's crap compared to one you can get now for same price.

scottyboy218

When they release a 360 that can't RRoD I'll (re)buy it. Until then, it's uninspiring.

Fallible

I'm just waiting for Jasper, my guess would be that Valhalla will be for a smaller size 360.

D00mM4r1n3

@baked ham: Falcon.

mind in rewind

im waiting for the "high ground" chipset

HIIIYO

Dakobah

The 360 is such a kick ass console I'll buy 1 version of every sku with every chip, I don't care, ~ gimmie gimmie gimmie ~ !

CollapseControl

I might just buy one if it doesn't sound like a Jet engine...

BonkUGood

Falcon should have been the launch chipset, Jasper arriving with the Elite and Valhalla coming this fall. That is what MS gets for rushing to market!

ajm1240

@HykCraft: If a system is cheaper to make, they make more money. If it's more reliable, they spend less on warranty service. If they can sell it cheaper they can hit a larger market segment (poorer/cheap individuals) and make more money. It's all about more money. Get it?

jeblis

Ok, you're just making up words and stuff to confuse me now, aren't you?

MiyamotosChin

@HykCraft: To save money!

Meldy

So is heat the only thing that makes the 360 RRoD?

silkylove

"Opus"? "Valhalla"? What's next, the Oeuvre or Ragnorok chipset? It reminds me of "Operation Iraqi Freedom" or some other useless such name. Ah, the beauty of PR.

Strangelove

@Roller: Well done.

Well about time we heard something about Microsoft making a sincere effort to squash the RROD.

SLoth_112

My 360 just ringed on me this week. Really was itching to play DMC4...

On the up-side, they've said the Falcon-imbued 360s are mostly 3RL free...

excaliburps

I have to wait until freakin' 2010 to buy a 360??

oh wait I already have one :) Its sad to say this but I cant wait until my 360 breaks so I can demand a system with HDMI and a new chipset.

Deadeyereborn

I'm confused...how is the Opus different from the Falcon?

SuperFox

@Roller: Does anybody know which chipset the Halo 3 unit uses? Is it Zephyr or Falcon?

baked ham

WTF do they need to keep revising their consoles? Frickin' absurd.

HykCraft

I have to wait until freakin' 2010 to buy a 360??

Roller

@pupaboy2: What the hell are you on about? The only reason PS3 has a slight lead is because of Wii and X360 shortages.

astrixzero

Yes. I don't think a new chip will improve the X-Box 360's sagging sales. The PS3 is now the top selling console. Microsoft might as well hang it up and cut their mounting losses over the 360.

pupaboy2

@baked ham: That's the norm in the electronics mfg trade -- revise, revise revise

dougltc

@astrixzero: And you believe that because Microsoft told you so?

That said, if they're having to replace every 4th or 5th console they make, maybe there is some truth in it...

stussygalore

On a related note, I spoke with someone who works at IBM and is actually on the Valhalla team, so it is not a rumor that they are working on it...she wouldn't specify details, but it exists. She was very surprised I had heard the name, and found it funny that the code name had been leaked.

SuperFox

Caution: Sarcasm ahead...

This is awesome news. They might actually have a reliable chipset combination in the machines just in time to kill off the system and move everyone to XBOX 720! Wooohooo! Lucky us!

I'm on my fourth unit since launch and it just red-ringed over the weekend. I'm really hoping I get a reliable system this time around but I'm still hearing stories, even from close friends, that they're still getting units returned to them that are jacked up right out of the box. If thats the case, I'm gonna be hella jacked...

Somebody wish me luck.

DaStuph

I can answer some of your questions, if you want. One at a time. No crowding please.

xboxfounder

Stop Xbox just stop, and put down the pen.please.

ZtotheACK