anything is possible I think these developers are just lazy!!! SHAME ON YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

slappyMCslappy

@Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.: if you think about it everygame has a minigame. all those missions in GTA? Minigames. Solve a puzzle in Resident Evil? Minigame.

teh_joe (Little Man being Erased)

It just cant be done on the wiimote. Does anyone honestly think theyll beat Bloody Palace or Hell or Hell mode with a wiimote??! IDiots!

IdleBullet

Whats this about DMC4 now working on the Wii because of controls?

Look at it his way PS3 control has 14 buttons on it and sixaxis which isn't used. (I was hoping not to post on kotaku)
The Wii control has 10 buttons also between Wiimote + Nunchuk hell the classic controller has 14 buttons on it also.

The only difference is where you have that gimicky right analog stick versus the gimicky motion controls.

I'd honestly want to see this game on the Wii, not because I don't own another system or that I'm a wii fanboy (I own a ps3) but because I'd like to see what they could do with it, but to me this is like:
"I'm sorry, we just dont have the vision to do this."

And oh come on! This entire push about the graphics are way too high ont he ps3, its not graphics that seperate these softwares numb nuts its the apps the software calls from.

If you know anything about tech like you ps3 and xbox fanboys are claiming then you should know about the Wii's DRM being the same thing but better than the ps3's version, but it uses its DRM in it's GPU, the PS3 uses less and XBOX 360 applies it to everything, However the Wii's version gives it a much higher system bandwidth then the other 2 competitors plus most PC's. (When it comes to memory storage for video play back and cache'd imaged the GPU is what matters, with speed like that, theirs no reason it can't display in 1080p at 60 fps.

Get over it, you don't know what your talking about so stop, a least say, "I think", or "I believe" before you make some ludacris comment about, "OH the GFX is insane on rendering the insane ftw lines per insane second so I don't know what I just said but NO graphics = suck."

The hardest system to design for graphically right now is the Wii, because traditionally you'd use some kind of buffer but now the buffer is energy in transit so how do you track it, Thats why its hard, because its too abstract.

But its more than do able in Nintendo would finally share their 1st part intelligence.
k thx bye

dib8rman

they could always pull a LEGO DEVIL MAY CRY ! lol

GimmeCat

@questworld:

Thank you for that insite. It's nice to see people can still get past the number of polygons a system can produce.

EmeraldDragon

@fadecy: okay, but you admit yourself that 3rd parties aren't letting their top teams work on Wii product of which they have little to no experience then why would we expect great controls no to mention great games on average? That's what this conversation is about. Think about that for a second because Miyamoto mentioned it too...

3rd party Wii games are suspect overall at best because

a) you have "B" and "C" teams working on Wii while the "A" teams -top tier teams are working on 360 and PS3

b) these same benchwarmers have little to no experience on Wii.

What happens if you get a top tier dev team to work on Wii? Give them a real project that's not a minigame compilation or a direct port with a marketing and development budget that's worth a damn. Why couldn't that game be a great game. Not just a great game on Wii...but a great game period. Also, you do realize that the Wiimote IS your second control stick. Works great in Zelda, Metroid Prime 3, Mario Galaxy, SSX Blur. Call of Duty 3 and Metal of Honor 2:Heros (even though that game is glitchy to high hell)

Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.

the graphics for the wii aren't that bad i mean look at super mario galaxy the graphics aren't bad

mr.shade

If (or when) Capcom ports this over to the Wii, I wonder if he'll quit like Shinji Mikami quit over the PS2 port of Resident Evil 4? Well, Mikami says that he didn't quit because of it, but he did apologize for the PS2 port.

[en.wikipedia.org]

Never underestimate the power of corporate greed. Especially whenever Capcom is concerned.

Antic791

I know this may sound kinda dumb. But I think nintendo has kinda ruined it's chances of getting top class third party support. Because it's different, developers are just testing it out and therefore they aren't going to put one of their top teams on a console that they have very little experience with. Also the lack of a second control stick kind of hinders some games as well. Also I don't know if anybody has noticed but a lot of the motion control in games kinda sucks. The only games I like it in are ssx blur and a few of the wii play games. Of course wii sports but but that game isn't as realistic as people think. Try swerving the ball into the gutter on bowling. You can't. It always swerves towards the middle.

fadecy

@Archaotic: again, I totally disagree. MS is not a good example either because if a gamer buys a 360 arcade sku they will need a harddrive if they decide to take advantage of LIVE. Also, I see your point with the DS and buying extra hardware but where I step away from that logic is when you look at a game like Guitar Hero or Rock Band. Do you have any idea how well those games are selling? Sure you do. Like I mentioned, great games fit any console. Guitar Hero on Wii outsold the 360 and PS3 versions. People are spending serious money on gear for Rock Band. 150 plus dollars for a Rock Band set up or 15 to 20 bucks for an extra controller that is widely supported on VC and for some WiiWare and retail games? No, I don't accept your logic on that point.

Also, I don't agree with your DS assessment either. Metroid Prime Hunters delivered one of the most robust online experiences for a portable. It offered features you normally get in Live with full stat tracking, friends list, Rivals list, promotions, voice chat and text chat. It also provided a control scheme that's more accurate than dual analog and one of the best 3D engines on DS.

I played the NInja Gaiden demo for two days. Dude, That game is what Itagaki said it was. It's a Ninja Gaiden that flows as good as any modern day Ninja GAiden on the market today. I was amazed that the combos were there, the grabs are there, the dashes are there, the evades are there. All with only a stylus. And it looks and sounds great too.

If you didn't like the developments for these DS titles, hey, it's to each their own. But I'll never say these games were a bad fit. We're talking about games on DS that are great fun to play and take advantage of the unit in multiple respects. I was under the impression that that was the whole point. The very reason why PSP got trounced. No games to that truly took advantage of the unit until the last 12 months or so.

Why can't Wii get that same kind of support?

Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.

@shouryuuken: awesome point dude. I totally agree. This is what I don't understand. 3rd parties will release games on Wii with 0 marketing campaign and then bitch about how their games don't sell on Nintendo hardware. It's the goof of all times.

I remember the ports of the 16bit era. SNES games were made to take advantage of the increased color palette, Mode 7 and better audio, while genesis games were made to take advantage of the faster processor and better parallax scrolling and fill rate. I miss those days.
Developers today treat Wii like it has no positives to build on and isn't worthy of consideration. Yet it sells better than PS3 and 360. My point has always been...if they could do it for PS2, why not do it for Wii?

Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.

@Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.:
Here's the difference between the CC controller and the D-Pad on the DS. You have to buy the Classic Controller separately. Just as Microsoft won't let developers make games that REQUIRE a hard drive on the 360, Nintendo won't let developers make games that require a controller not everyone has.

Great games don't fit every system, man. Hell, I personally think that the DS' attempts at FF, Ninja Gaiden, and Metroid Prime are terrible fits, yes. Mandatorily shoving stylus control into a game is counter-intuitive, in my opinion. Just making a game control a certain way for the sake of a console isn't a good idea. There has to be an active benefit to changing the controls, and so far that hasn't happened. Where would the active benefit to giving DMC to the Wii come from? It's certainly not going to be sales.

Archaotic

@Archaotic: I disagree totally with that idea of CC use. Look at DS. One of the best games on the portable uses the D-pad without any serious touch screen use...Mario Kart which has been in the top ten in Japan for over two years and in the top thirty to this day. Who's to say that DMC isn't a good fit for Wii? Who determines that? So Ninja GAiden isn't a good fit for DS? RE4 wasn't a good fit for GC? Why? It's flawed to believe that every game made for Wii has to have motion control. It's thinking like that, that helped Lair become the dismal failure it is.

DMC is a good fit for Wii just like any other game can be a good fit for Wii if the developers take the time to make the game for the console instead of half assing it. Keep in mind I do own all three consoles but my point is multiplatform games can hurt a console as well as help it depending on the title. You will not see a console's potential with ports. Never. The best games to exploit a console's power has always been in the exclusives. Built totake advantage of a consoles strengths. The current consoles are no different. Wii is no different. So why not make a DMC, Soul Caliber, MGS etc specifically for Wii that's an actually game and not some casual, water-down bullshit that the casual gamer wouldn't touch and the core gamer would laugh at.

I remember when people said similar things about the DS. "It's a kids portable. It's gimmicky, It's a fad..." Now here we are, over 50 million units sold later and DS has Brothers in Arms, CoD 4, Ninja GAiden, FF, Dragon Quest, Metroid Prime...did anyone say CoD4 was a bad fit for DS?

Great games are a good fit for Wii. Regardless of who makes it or what the genre or content is. Great games are a good fit for any console.

Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.

Considering the success of the game, there's little incentive for Capcom to bring DMC4 to the Wii.

Can they make a Wii version without killing the graphics? Quite possibly, with time and money. Just look at the amazing things companies like Capcom and Squeenix has done with the PS2, which has the lowest spec of the last gen systems.

Unless there's pretty much a guarantee that Capcom's selling another two million on the Wii alone, this is probably an expected decision.

Tear

The first i hear of this Wii DMC4 port is about it's confirmation that it won't be happening. Besides, i don't think anyone at any point actually said it was in the works anyway.

lazyartist

@Swean: please tell me you dont have a ps3, because then id say how about you buy a GAME system and not a BLURAY PLAYER, but that would just be plain silly. we smart ppl know that the wii is a game system just as much as any other console, its funny how its additional features make it a toy, when a HUGE selling point for the ps2 originally was it being a cheap dvd player that also played madden.

anyways.. i have yet to personally meet a wii fan that wants dmc 4 on their system. im a wii fan, but i dont pledge allegiance to any one company (since sega has departed), and i think all the bashing in here sounds like middle school banter. if game companies were still as smart/cool as they were in the 16 bit days, theyd make a resident evil/devil may cry spin off or side story that would play just the same but not be the official sequel. in fact, i hate that these days its always 4, 5, 6, 7 etc. i liked konami did it for snes/genesis, they used the strengths of each console, if you had an snes, you had super castlevania IV, if you had a genesis, it was bloodlines, and if you had a pc engine cd, it was rondo of blood. i understand why they wouldnt put dmc 4 on wii, and quite frankly i wouldnt want it... but a game set in the dmc universe that explores other things, or actually uses the motion controls well (soul calibur legends used them really well, but the game itself was garbage, id love to see dante controlled like that, i think capcom could do it right) would be cool.

lastly, zack and wiki was good, but who knew about it besides hardcore gamers? i worked in a game store when it was released, and all but like 1 of my co workers had never heard of it, and the one who did? he reads kotaku as well. i mean, it had a kiddy look, it was on the wii, if capcom advertised it on nicktoons, disney, or cartoon network, guaranteed the sales would have been higher.

shouryuuken

@MJDeviant: Well maybe you should buy a GAME system and not a TOY, if you wana play good games.

Swean

It probably would work very well anyways, unless you could use the classic controller scheme. then I could see it working well.

KM91

While you're arguing in favor of getting DMC4 to the Wii, ask about porting Mario Galaxy to the PS2. It can be done: just rebuild the engine, control scheme, etc.

And my Atari 2600 needs a few new games as well.

Gaff

You can see where they are coming from. I mean the concept of the wii mote would suite so many games. However if for the sake of the graphics (Self confessed graphics whore)Not always the best thing to do.

Unless there is a change Nintendo decides to upgrade the wii to cope with the graphics that there counterparts use. I would love this to happen but I do already love my wii the way it is

stromasdragon

@Toasticus:
That's what I've been trying to tell them, but nobody listens to me. :[

@~xoaks~:
Because it had to be done.

@Glare:
You do know that "just putting something on the Wii" doesn't guarantee instant sales, right? Look at pretty much any title out there aside from Nintendo first party games, Carnival Games, and RE4. The people who have more than one system already BOUGHT DMC for their next-gens, so the sales would have to rely solely on one-console owners and the expanded audience (who wouldn't buy it anyways).

Archaotic

does anyone want the terrible level design, awful music, laughable story and dialogue, and zero progress that is dmc4 brought to the wii? minus the game's only strong point, the graphics?

sitsalot

I'm pretty ticked off.

Why don't they just make it for the Wii? They could be less lazy and change some things about it to match the Wii. Thaey'll make a lot of money, after all Nintendo is a money making machine.

Glare

People are seriously debating this? It seems like common sense to me. They'd have to pretty much rebuild the game, at which point they might as well make it a new title instead of a port.

Toasticus

@Archaotic:

Why did you have to bring up VJ? :(

~xoaks~

@Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.:
I still think that DMC just isn't the right fit for the console. If they took Viewtiful Joe, for example, and made it a 3D roaming game, that would work much better than DMC on the Wii. I don't know why Wii owners expect that EVERY game would be a perfect fit for their system...

Isn't this the multi-console generation, anyways? Why not just play the game on the PS3, 360, or PC? There's countless options for it.

Archaotic

@Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.:
Not to mention that Capcom, and likely Nintendo, would not make a game that uses only the Classic Controller, as not everyone has it, and more importantly, Nintendo wouldn't allow it as it countersuits the very purpose of their platform.

Classic Controller schemes would certainly be OPTIONAL in the game, but you will NEVER see a game come out that FORCES the use of the CC, at least not until the Wii's lifespan is nearing its end.

Archaotic

@KirbyMorph: did you read my post?

Classic controller...

say it with me...

Classic

Controller

As far as it being dumbed down, again...I ask...AGAIN whats the excuse for DMC3 on PS2? Actually DMC3 is harder than DMC4 so you're logic is flawed. Complexed AI in DMC4 must have been reserved for the bosses because it sure as hell isn't complexed for the regular enemies. Don't get me wrong, they aren't complete imbeciles but we're not talking about the second coming in AI so that's a bullshit excuse.
That's all I'm hearing...excuses. People prove time and again how short their memories are and this is why developers can get away with the rhetoric.

We were getting epic boss battles, lots of on-screen enemies and increasingly better AI in the LAST generation. These things are not new to this generation. Can someone please answer the question...if PS2 and PSP and get a kick ass God of War...why can't Wii get a DMC? Don't give me that nonsense about dumbed down graphics and controls...I'll point to God of War and DMC on PS2 every time.
Better yet...

Controls - Classic controller - all the buttons and analogs sticks you need.

AI and Boss Battles - go play Metroid Prime 3 or Zelda: TP if you want an example of great AI and epic boss battles.

Graphics - Go play Metroid Prime3, RE4, Mario Galaxy, Zack and Wiki or watch the videos of SSBB if you want to see great graphics on Wii.

Why can't Wii get a DMC?

Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.

@Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.: Wii has like 4 buttons with the nunchuk. Makes it a bit difficult to port any 'complex' games to it that arent built specifically for it. Add in the underpowered nature of the console and the newer, more complex AIs for more and more enemies on screen at once needs to get dumbed down and enemy numbers reduced.

So ya, they could put a pixellated monster out with fewer enemies, weaker AI and shoddy controls, but it wouldnt be worth the money when they could throw garbage on the Wii and let them buy a couple 100k units and make more profit than porting any game and wasting resources downgrading it to such a degree and only selling 400k units, like most 3rd party games custom built for it.

KirbyMorph

Meanie :(

Ropa-to

@Archaotic: Of course, it wouldn't look and feel like DMC anymore, even though it would look better than DMC 1-3.

Seriously just because it wouldn't look as good as other consoles doesn't mean you can't do it. They don't WANT to do it.

ostartero

@Pinhead: I think the main problem for many of us arguing the point is Capcom, other gamers and other companies make it seem like it's a ridiculous idea for a Wii version of DMC. I've read time and time again about how GC/DS/GBA/Wii are all toys in the eyes of many Japanese developers and not to be taken seriously. With that in mind, many developers, Especially japanese developers, refuse to make anything for the not-so-casual fan. But PS2 doesn't offer half of the features that Wii offers and yet PS2 hosts some of the best games ever made...games for the core audience. Is PS2 not a toy? PS2 wasn't ridiculed for being less powerful than the Xbox which it clearly is. After seeing SSBB can anyone truly say with a straight face that Wii can't deliver worth graphics and presentation for a DMC?

I'll say it again..DMC on Wii should use the classic controller. period. could you people stop trying to blow off the controls as clumsy by using the Wiimote and Chuck as the controller to use for the hypothetical game. Just stop it. All the needed buttons are on the classic controller. end of story.

Then we have the graphics. No one has answered the question (as far as I noticed) if PS2 could give us the graphics of God of War and God of War2, MGS3 and DMC 1-3, then why can't Wii give us superior graphics?
Many of you say you don't want crappy DMC graphics but have any of you looked at DMC3 lately or MGS3 or GoW 2? These games still look good even by today's standards but Wii is capable of better. Look at God of War on PSP. It looks phenomenal and Capcom is telling us that DMC on Wii can't look better than God of War on PSP? Even with more RAM, a faster CPU, larger frame buffer, better GPU and more storage..Wii can't outperform a PS2....a PSP? Give me a break.

Capcom must still be pissed that Nintendo cut them out of SSBB.

Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.

the problem is that one of the appeals of the system its the motion controls so a DMC4 for the wii will need to use them and DMC4 wouldn't work with those controls, maybe a DMC build specifically for the wii from the ground up.

ninja_squirrel

I don't understand how anyone could expect DMC 4 to hit the Wii.

Pinhead

thats why you have to go for the wii60

Jamaces

And so developers continue to cower before Nintendo. I will do a happy dance naked around a bondfire when one of them finally grows a pair.

EmeraldDragon

pfft. they could easily make it look like devil may cry 3 on the ps2 with a bit of polish applied, and leave out waggle. just because its there doesnt mean you have to use it

bigman88zz

Its definitely possible, but is the cost worth it?

You need to go back and make a new engine, scale down all the textures, reduce audio file size, remodel everything, and figure a new control scheme.

Are there really enough people out there with Wiis who want this game? Enough to develop a whole other game and sell it for less?

Be reasonable.

invictus

It is never impossible... Reduced graphics? Yep, sure. But, why not? The game might still be good anyway. And they will have to start rethinking the control schemes, that in my opinion can be trickier than the graphics.

Well, I'd think it would be ok if, at least, they decided to release the three first games of the series in a pack... I remember somebody said something about it, at least on XBox360.

MaximoSupino

Fine to settle this, here is the skinny, if you come online and bitch and whine how a game you want didn't get ported over to the system you like your not a "real" gamer ie. someone who cares about the games, more of a whiny gamer than anything. What I was trying to say before, was, shut the fuck up and don't complain when there is some game that's exclusive to a console you don't own or buy all three.

boxofthegods

@Wellhereweare: To Quote Yahtzee

"Sony targets hardcore technology freaks"

"Nintendo targets gamers who arent even old enough to cross the road by themselves"

"The XBOX 360 targets a more casual gameing beer drinking frat boy demographic"

GUNDAM-RX-78-2

@Evo:

The extra memory also allowed them to make Dante a bit more versatile. You couldn't switch between all weapons (you had to pick two in DMC3), and you certainly couldn't switch between styles on the fly either.

Other than that, yeah, the game's main improvements have been in the overall graphical presentation.

SG79

I don't see the point of remaking it on Wii since the only progression featured in DMC4 is its next-gen graphic, something that Wii doesn't have.

Evo

A lot of people want Soul Calibur IV on the Wii. And they say that the Wii can handle much more then what we think it can. Then they start saying that if games like RE4 can be put on the PS2, then these Xbox 360 and PS3 games can be put on the Wii.

Sailorcancer

Ouch. Burn.

dowingba

@Siye: It has little to do with target audiences. Capcom already tried to sell a well-made new Wii IP with Zack and Wiki, and that failed more than I'd care to admit.

What games come onto the system have more to do with developers than anything else. More people could stand to develop more robust titles for the Wii, but to say that it's against the system's image is something of a fallacy. The system's place is far from cast in stone, and there is still a place for serious games on the system.

Maldron

@brello: By cool kids you mean Uber geeks, and tech head wannabes? And the guys who only play Madden and NBA live every year right?

Wellhereweare

@questworld:

I can understand your feelings of being deprived of the more "epic" games.... but you have to keep in mind the target audiences of the systems.
The systems all have their respective images. It'd be kinda strange if the wii suddenly started focusing on M rated games when it's promoted as such a kid/senior friendly system.
I don't think this means M/T rated games should be all together ignored... it's great to see em on the wii too.. but you can't expect to get a library anywhere near the other two consoles.
They gotta pay attention to the consumers. If alot of wii owners don't care for more "hardcore" games there is no reason to develop them.

Siye

Just get a PS3 and/or a 360 as well! All the cool kids are doing it.

brello

@Siye:

"DMC always has been a heavyweight when it comes to glitz and glam"

DMC 1 and 2 had pretty shitty graphics in my opinion, but the graphics aren't the main problem. As you pointed out the controls for the game probably wouldn't suit the gameplay too well. Not to say it couldn't be done, but it would be quite hard to have to flow smoothly.

NeoAkira

Wii fans only ask for games like DMC4, MGS, or RE5 simply for the same reason 360 or PS3 owners would ask for them, they want great games (and considering the typical bull developers make for the system - the "casual" games that aren't even interesting for the most part - can anyone really blame Wii owners who keep making such wishes. I find all the argument about why such games shouldn't be on the Wii to be typical fanboy bullshit that are no different about a selfish brat who says his sister can't play with the G.I. Joe action figure because she's a girl. Power specs my butt.

Now I'm not saying they should port these games to the Wii, but they certainly can make such games for the Wii. If it's all about specs, controls, and power, then why aren't people asking for 360 and PS3 versions of games like Rayman Raving Rabbids. I mean surely you can have more mini-games, phyics, high end graphics, etc. that surpass what the WIi can do. Oh but that's right, suddenly the "crappy" games don't matter. So in the end, it's about getting great games, specifically your typical "hardcore" games. And why couldn't the Wii get games like that (the PS2 did and it made all the difference to draw in the "hardcore" crowd)? Simply, in the typical fanboy fashion, it's an "us vs. them" scenario. All the good stuff should be ours and ours only. Bonus points for laying to waste the systems you could care less about. You'll use just about any excuse even down to the whole birth of a franchise bit (unless it doesn't work and it's about "audience" or "specs").

I'd probably think Nintendo fans are like this too but considering they've been getting the raw deal for over a decade, I'd give the slack. When they become pompous and arrogant like those fanboys of the PS crowd (not all are jerks mind you), then they can share the same accusations.

questworld

This shouldn't be a surprise to anyone.

Like what many of the others have said:

1. You'd have to significantly dumb down the graphics - and don't even try to argue this one... why the hell would you want shittier graphics JUST so you can play it on the wii? DMC always has been a heavyweight when it comes to glitz and glam

2. The wii-mote is simple unsuitable for the amount of rapid, calculated, numerous button pressing movements you just have to do for the game. You also shouldn't "have to" buy a classic controller to enjoy a single game.

Simple as this folks.

Siye

@Yeux de nouilles:
You've gotta be kidding me.

y2kenjination

@skullivan: Or instead of a 360 or PS3, they could just have a decent computer since no console really has any exclusives this gen.

Yeux de nouilles

@Irenicus-the one and only: Maybe unrealistic for a newcomer, but years of gaming have left my wrists all carpal-tunnely. Nothing diagnosable, but as the years pass it takes less and less to cause them discomfort. :p

Maldron

@Maldron: I didn't say using motion would be comfortable for any input, some input, no input or a lot of input, depended on what input, yada yada yada. I brought it up before or should have been implied enough, and again, I said it in jest, in "fun", not being serious, got it? :)

I still think it can be done easely, and that it can be done with that, nunchuck or just classic controller and is not an argument, it can be done. But if you think it can't be done or that it can but will hurt you, tennis elbow or mouse arm or cracked wrist, thats fine. But also very unrealistsic.

@boxofthegods: Then you ain't a "real gamer" as you call it. I really think your comments so far are ignorant and you just trying to be a dick, and you are doing alright at it.

Irenicus-the one and only

Was anyone really expecting DMC4 on Wii? No, really? That would be ridiculous.. as much as I'd like to have Nintendo Wii, I never though of DMC4 on it.

And I'm not even a fan of DMC series... but it just doesn't fit.

Though I must say I also thought I'd never see RE on Wii too...

Bokusatsu_Tenshi

The Wii would "BREAK DOWN!" /Dante if they tried to run DMC4 on it. Not hating, just sayin'...

y2kenjination

@Irenicus-the one and only:
I don't ask for games on systems I don't own because I'm not some whiny ass gamer who can't believe that the game they wanted didn't come out on their chosen system. And not that it really matters buy I don't own any of the next gen consoles yet.

boxofthegods

@Falconfire: I don't understand what makes DMC the least bit pretentious, let alone bring about comparisons to FF (in all fairness, if we're looking at JRPGs based on pretentiousness, the Xenosaga series would be at the top of the list).

What's more, DMC1 and 2 were so dissimilar that it not only led to the fans hating it, but Capcom putting less emphasis on it as well as a result of nearly bringing down the entire franchise with it. Know one who actually knows anything about DMC would be under the impression that they divided one full experience into two with these games...it's that simple (additionally, the fact that no one from the first game worked on DMC2 is something else to account for).

summerdrone

@Irenicus-the one and only: It wasn't to relegate support for my argument, it was the fact that you believed using motion controls to control any input in the game would be comfortable on a serious player. Considering how often you use the attack buttons in the game, I really couldn't see it.

As far as it being a personal attack, hardly. It was an honest concern based on my disbelief. All you'd have to do is say you've played one for me to not bring it up, and I haven't seen that in the thread so far.

Maldron

@marmidukestank: Remember Ubisoft's Far Cry for Wii? Don't tempt fate.

Torgen thinks AAA means "Costs $60"

I'd only buy DMC4 for the Wii if it included WiiFit Balance Board support.

slash000

Where is Crysis for Wii?

marmidukestank

@hauser: It sounds great on paper, but my main concern is using the motion sensing for attacks. Especially on Dante Must Die mode, where enemies take ten to fifteen seconds of steady attacking to defeat, I'm going to be attacking a lot. Even with the most minor wrist movements, it adds up to be a lot of repetitive motion.

I suppose my main problem is that I had problems with Twilight Princess. I know they've released tighter controls since, but having a constant input relegated to the remote seems to always end poorly for my wrist. I enjoyed No More Heroes largely because the attakcs were done through the buttons - If i had to swing the remote for every slash in the game, I might not have bothered to play through bitter, at least not immediately after finishing Mild.

I suppose I should concede that it would be an effective way of mimicking the input on the wii remote. I just have my doubts about whether I'd actually choose that version, given the other controller options.

Maldron

@GameCasa: You don't get to decide how I spend my money either.

Torgen thinks AAA means "Costs $60"

@GameCasa: Yeah DMC1, 2 and 3 looked so ugly, most terrible looking games ever, I hope you never tuch those ugly XBL arcade and PSN games too, good lord.

Irenicus-the one and only

@Maldron: You asked if I ever played DMC, trying to support an argument it can't be done, which you continue to argue. Thats my point and it was in jest ;)

It can be done!

PS: I did read it, I would say the same to you, "see what I did there?" was making that point.

Irenicus-the one and only

Go buy a PS3 or 360. Not every game is going to multiplatform. I'm not going to bash the Wii, but come the fuck on! DMC4 would look hideous. The controls wouldn't be a problem though because you can buy the classic controller. It just wouldn't be right.

GameCasa

@Maldron: well, with a wiimote/nunchuck in my hand i can say that with a as jump, b for guns, analog to move, z for target, c to use devil bringer/style moves (with some motion control, no way around it), you can use the d-pad as 4 seperate buttons, one to change styles as dante(you'd have to flip through them but it is possible), one for exceed, and then use the other to switch through guns and swords, and some motion, flicks of the wrist, or waggle control like zelda or no more heroes for the sword attacks, the control scheme is possible

hauser

@Irenicus-the one and only: Yeah. You asked me whether or not I've played the wii after I used No More Heroes as a shining example of the action genre having a home on the Wii. Now I don't even believe you're reading what I write.

Maldron

@Irenicus-the one and only: What personal attacks? Where? Seriously, point 'em out, I'm curious.

If I have the time to point out how I don't see how it could be done and give examples of why, I don't see why you can't be bothered to explain where it'd work. I'm more than willing to be wrong about this, but if you can't take the time to back up what you believe with examples, I don't see why your blanket statements should override my disbelief.

Maldron

@Maldron: I wonder if you have even tried a Wii! (see what I did there?)

Irenicus-the one and only

And my last comment, do the graphics really have to be crappy to the point of PS2 middle cycle? I mean really, cant we just get the best of what Wii has to offer in the graphics department and then just try hard on the controlls?

Wellhereweare

@Wellhereweare: No, you're not the only person not asking for it. I'd think my mere position on how I believe it wouldn't work on the way the controller is setup would be proof of that, but here I am expanding on that.

I'm not saying it couldn't be done, I'm saying it couldn't be controlled on the wiimote setup comfortably. There are games that are designed to work well with the Wii, but I don't see the Devil May Cry franchise as being one of them.

As an aside, if you're just spamming the Attack button, you're not going to score well.

Maldron

@torgen awesome point. Let's look at it this way. Capcom convinced over 1 million people to buy RE4 on Wii after it was already released twice in the last gen. The new control scheme proved that RE4 benefited from motion control to the extent that it made the game a bit too easy with the uber accuracy. So, most of us are sold that the Wiimote provides the best control scheme for RE4.

Capcom then turns around and says.."no RE5 for Wii" but 360 and PS3 are getting it and the old dual analog set-up. Or at the least, it won't have Wiimote support so the accuracy is gone. What kind of bullshit is that? Capcom just showed the world that the Wiimote was THE way to play RE4 but won't make RE5 or even a proper RE game for Wii? We get some retread of RE games of old in the form of Umbrella Chronicles/RE-House of the Dead? The one console than can provide superior controls for the game, won't get the sequel or any proper RE game for that matter.

Stupid...just stupid.

Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.

@DoesNotEqual: hehhe

@Maldron: I really don't have time to go into depth about how to make it in detail and explain combos etc. It should suffice to say it can be done, of course it can be done, do you want me to take an aspirin or something? lol

PS: Don't try and start with personal attacks etc. Don't go there man, if you wanna argue it can't be done fine.

Irenicus-the one and only

@Irenicus-the one and only: How does the nunchuck make it easier? Honestly, the best setup on the combo of the two would be the Z for target, C for Grab, A for attack and B for jump. Would you have me attack with remote flicks, tapping out the multiple attack combos like morse code? Should I use the nunchuck to grab from a distance and slam a character?

I'd still have the Exceed button - a button I need to tap in conjunction with the attack button to make my attacks more powerful, the gun button, the devil trigger button. How would you suggest I fluidly reach the buttons on the bottom of the remote in the middle of combat? I need buttons I can reach easily and without thinking about it, and that isn't found on the bottom of the wiimote.

I half wonder if you've even played a devil may cry before.

Maldron

@Irenicus-the one and only: I interpreted it as "It can't be done... without compromising what we consider to be a high standard of graphics, and without risk of spending too much money to convert the game to a casual-gamer system well after the initial interest has died down."

Okay, so in my head it was just understood; I had to use all those words to describe it. ::grin::

DoesNotEqual

@rlh445:
Well, thank you for not flaming or bashing me. I really wasn't trying to be a jerk or anything, but it just seems that DMC as a series isn't the right fit for the Wii. It's a very technical, high-speed game that requires the use of every single button on the controller to be effective.

This technicality seems very difficult to port to the Wii, which only has six or so buttons if you're not using a Classic Controller, and the mechanics of it would be mind-bogglingly complex, even to the most battle-hardened gamer. I can only imagine the learning curve would be even harsher for seasoned DMC vets, most of whom are so used to the games' controls that anything different would seem foreign and strange.

The systems involved would also be vastly too complex for Wii's casual market, who would likely be scared off by the difficulty and depth. And can you honestly see Nintendo allowing Capcom to release a game that ONLY uses a Classic Controller or a Cube controller? It'd go completely against the image they're trying to give the Wii, not to mention...what's the point? Why make or port a game for Wii if it doesn't even take advantage of what makes the system unique?

I'm not saying the stylish action genre has no place on the Wii; far from it, actually. I'd love to see more stylish action games, as they're one of the few genres I can still honestly say I like. I can understand Wii fans' desire to have a game in that genre on their system, really, I can. I just think that Devil May Cry might not be the best option. Maybe...a re-envisioning of Viewtiful Joe, perhaps?

Archaotic

@Torgen good point, Wii games sell, even if some idiots denies it.

Irenicus-the one and only

@DoesNotEqual: Yeah, by Sony fanboys, I guess when it comes to Wii then lemmings and sheep? (I don't know the correct term for Sony boys, maybe sheep was Nintendo boys meh) team up and flame the Wii owners together, nice to see people become friends with a common enemy, an enemy that likes one of their games and wants it too, horrible people.

And I doubt it cost or take too much time to make, but it is their choice, people saying it can't be done is what makes me boil.

Irenicus-the one and only

@Maldron: But am I the only person not even asking for it? I mean DMC is Tony Hawk with guns and a sword, rake up combos with speed, switch between your trickster and sword master mode! Wow, button! Combos! The same with games like KH2 all it was X button fest! DMC is a series overated any, I want more original stuff, PS3 fans(im one also) can have it, because after 3 I was turned off by the linear level design and unorinal dialouge "Oh I want our fathers sword" Dante and Vergil? read the bible

Wellhereweare

@Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.: I don't suspect collusion... yet.

Torgen thinks AAA means "Costs $60"

@rlh445: no problem dude, you want that in cash or money order...:)

Mario Galaxy definitely shows off some of the potential of the console but I'll tell anyone in a minute, SSBB looks ridiculously good. If SSBB was a new series without the hype and MS said it was coming for 360, we'd believe it. This generation is getting off to a shaky start when developers are refusing to learn hardware. Not just any hardware, the hardware with the largest install base and record sales. It's like they want Wii to fail by not giving it real support. Why is it Nintendo can give us a Wii game like SSBB that looks that good but Capcom can't...or won't?

Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.

@Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.: Yeah, RE4 sold, what, 1.6M on Wii after having already been out on GC and PS2 for years? For 1.6M sales you could make RE5 Wii from the ground up with no code or asset sharing with the PS360 team and still turn a profit.

Torgen thinks AAA means "Costs $60"

@Wellhereweare: Thanks for saving me time, and with the nunchuck it can be done easely.

@burningranger01: So you spend a lot of cash and the possiblity that Wii owners gets the same deal just pisses you of right? I hear you, those damn Wii owners, we are ebil.

Irenicus-the one and only

@ahmeng: And what? Remark that it's a seriously-stripped-down side-view game developed by a different studio?

DoesNotEqual

@burningranger01: Wow I looked at DMC4 and really it's the same thing as DMC3 with better graphics, and Nero's arm cant be done one Wii? Wow, when it's alll said and done DMC is a game with levels this isnt GTA4 wher you have to constanly render a whole world, DMC is gameplay and cut scenes and Wii cant handle Cut scenes?@rlh445: I agree... excuses for lazy developers who cant work their way around the remote... Well well our games dont sell! make better ones! Well well the graphics! Stop being lazy and give us original stuff tailored for the Wii!

Wellhereweare

@Wellhereweare: Read or be silent. I even left out the Exceed, Jump, and Devil Trigger buttons out of kindness.

The frequency and rapidity required of pressing these buttons cannot be made fluid on the remote itself. Making the remote replace button inputs will cause wrist problems. Hell, the version I'm playing NOW causes wrist problems, and I'm keeping my hands still.

Maldron

Look @ Assassin Creed for the DS....

ahmeng

@Irenicus-the one and only: It could handle the controls, yes, but (1) Capcom would be expected to add in some motion capability (which would cost money), and (2) scale it down to the Wii's capabilities (which I doubt they're willing to do from a pride standpoint). Besides, remember how much flak they got just for making it available on the 360?

@Wellhereweare: I said fewer, not none. There will always be those who wish for 100% cross-platform status.

DoesNotEqual

@NitrousO: but dude...check the classic controller. It's got four shoulder buttons, two sticks, four face buttons and the d-pad. Why shoe-horn motion controls in a game that doesn't need them? Just use the classic controller.

Also...That logic didn't stop Treyarch from making CoD3 for Wii in conjunction with the PS3 and 360 versions. Ironcially, the Wii version has the best controls of the 3. If Infinity Ward can have a dedicated team working on PS3's CoD4 with stellar results, why can't Capcom have a dedicated team for Wii development to give us something more than the garbage we've been getting? That's all I'm saying. Where's the real support for the die-hards that own the console?

Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.

@Irenicus-the one and only:
I just cant stand it when some people think they can just get high spec games without considering there great systems and there very very obvious limits. I am just zeroing on these types.

burningranger01

@Maldron: Thought Wii cleared this up last year, YOU DO NOT NEED FULL MOTIONS ON THE Wii! Just simple soft flicks of the wrist but nothing that will destroy it.

Wellhereweare

@Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.: 'co-starring your mom?

Thanks Strider..you owe me a new keyboard.

And you're right..I'm sick and GD tired of hearing about the Wii's supposed lack of graphical prowess. Is it HD? No..but it's near enough for me to have been slack jawed when I first loaded up Super Mario Galaxy.

rlh445

@torgen - Yeah but that same logic would have had Ninja Gaiden on PSP instead of DS. Itagaki did say he liked the interface but again, wasn't he also the one who said..."Why hasn't anyone made this type of game (Ninja Gaiden DS) for the DS before?"

Let's break this down a bit further and use Street Fighter IV as an example of Capcom Bad Design practices 101. If memory serves, I started playing Street Fighter 2 in 1992 or 1993 just like many of you. We had to wait years to finally get Street Fighter 3 but that was after we got a slight update over and over again. Street FighterII was on SNES, Genesis, Gameboy Advance and even the original Gameboy. When SFIII came out we got a new parry system, new characters and a new story.

What happened with STreet Fighter IV? We get 3D? So what? We got that with EX. We get the original characters from SFII and a story that's more of a prequel than a proper sequel. So what? We got that in Alpha. Parry system? Gone. Now we have Super Uber duper SUpeR moves and a new Supreme, super ultra, colossal, assbeater meter. Over 15 years of waiting for proper sequels to SF. Nearly 10 years of waiting for a SFIV and what does CApcom do? Make a prequel in 3D with the original characters returning with the original designs. Look at that damn game. Do we need next gen hardware for that? Look at the gameplay videos...I'm seeing the same tactics and combos I was doing in high school back in 93'. Fam...it's 2008! Do we need next gen hardware for that?

Go back and look at DMCIII. Wii can't do that? Wii can't do the first DMC? Capcom would have had my respect if they would have at least released a sequel to PowerStone on Wii with WiFi support. Oh...but I guess Wii can't handle that either...go figure..the original was on DC. So I guess Wii isn't even as powerful as that in Capcom's eyes.

Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.

Also Gamespot, DMC4 8.0, NHM 9.0 a whole one point difference there! But really after DMC3(the only one I played) I wasnt interested the story was everwhere, and i hate prequels that start in the middle like we know what already happend! I mean isnt that the point of a prequel? To run us down on what happend before? Give me DMC5 with 12 Yo Dante and Vergil. Until then Button Mash 4 can stay on PS3 and 360, even though NMH is one also, it still gets to the point and thats what Punk is isnt it?

Wellhereweare

@Irenicus-the one and only: Would you suggest they require the Classic Controller, then? DMC requires fast access to a large array of buttons, and goodness knows how hard it is to hit + and - with any precision.

Games like DMC4 can be done on the Wii. No More Heroes is proof that it's possible, and although it needed expanding, it definitely proved the Action Genre could have a home on the system. However, Devil May Cry 4 has me charging my gun while holding the targeting recticle button and using the sword attack button, all while moving the analog stick to engage in the kind of combos I wish, while hitting another button to gather enemies to myself. And it asks me to do this at least three times in any given fight.

Can you suggest to me a control scheme with the wiimote that won't absolutely destroy my wrist in the process? Seriously, it's something that escapes me. I don't deny that it can be done, I merely can't perceive a way it will be done while maintaining the game's fluidity.

Maldron

WHO asked him that? Seriously.

But I think control wise, they could make it work if they wanted to.

Seestoff

@boxofthegods: You don't get to decide how I spend my money.

Torgen thinks AAA means "Costs $60"

@boxofthegods: A real gamer LOL that is just such an elitist comment right there.

I'm glad you never thought to ask or want a game on a system you don't own, must feel good owning it all.

Irenicus-the one and only

@DoesNotEqual: To be honeest, i love the Wii. And I will get a PS3 later on down the line, it's not killing me not having one now. But c'mon, the problem with 3rd parties on Wii and even GCN was that they never advertise, GCN didnt even spawn any 3rd party classic but Re4. I dont see alot of games making it to Wii because of the gap, until developers strive to do so and make it good. Or until they strive to give Wii classic originals like Suda51 did with NMH. Im basically saying Wii is a different game, not necessarily making it bad but making it different. And The reason alot of PS3/Gamers dont want Wii games is most of the good ones are on 1st Party meaning they arent getting them, Wii gamers want more 3rd party stuff, you never see Wii gamers crying for GoW or Halo because we will never get them. I've seen some PS3 gamers and 360 Gamers wanting No More Heroes though.

Wellhereweare

@DoesNotEqual: Not really, the Wii mote atleast with the nunchuck could handle the game, no doubt about that.

Irenicus-the one and only

awesome controls? I downloaded the demo on XBLA, it felt like the dude was walking around in cement pants. consider me not interested in a wii port.

MoogPaul

I'm pretty confused by all this, if Wii owners want to play DMC 4 than buy a 360 or ps3, it's pretty damn simple if you as me. At the least I would think that Wii owners would like to not have watered down ports of HD games. If your a real gamer you'll own all three systems instead of bitching every time that a game doesn't come to your chosen system.

boxofthegods

@rlh445: Good post, time to get back to my DS logging more hours on that then a PS3 or 360 put together for me.

Irenicus-the one and only

@Torgen thinks AAA means "Costs $60": I'm not really up for digging through the countless responses to the numerous NMH topics, thanks. NMH was conceived as a 360 game, but made as a Wii game. Converting it to the heavier systems would require too much work for too little potential profit. Put simply, it's not worth it.

@NitrousO: The control scheme is a large part of it. I imagine Nintendo prefers Wii games to use the motion sensitivity. (It'd be like making a DS game and not using the touch screen.) Regardless, not everyone owns a classic controller, so requiring one would reduce your potential audience.

DoesNotEqual

@skullivan: The reason it's always Capcom is because they proved they 'get' the hardware and the controls with RE4, and then they don't announce anything. Bionic Commando is basically RE4 with Ada's grappling hook, and the enemies don't have brain slugs. That's why people think it's a good fit.

Torgen thinks AAA means "Costs $60"

@skullivan: Nah, Wii fans can wait until they are forced to come because the install base of PS3 and 360 sux instead ;) (joking)

And people like you need to realise that games like DMC4 can be done on Wii, not in HD but they can be made, and it will be made, not the same franchise (it seems) but someone will make it. And not every Wii owner owns another console, more like the opposite, besides I got a great PC.

Irenicus-the one and only

@Archaotic: Sorry, Archaotic, not pointing just you out, but others who seem to share your opinion..your comment just happens to be the most eloquent.

How do you or anyone else know that it would 'play horribly' on the Wii? Are you secretly developing for the PSTriple or the Wii? Do you know the underlying differences between the two systems? I certanly don't, and I have no idea WHAT a Devil May Cry would play like on the Wii. What I do know is that while everyone is busy harping on about what the Wii can't do, Nintendo is busy showing off what it CAN. 'Oh, two screens and a stylus?? That'll NEVER work!' I think we all see where that statement failed. My point is that although it's general opinion that Wii should stick to things 'non-HD', I don't understand where the notion that 'non-HD' is a bad thing, and how that ties into what COULD be awesome ports.

rlh445

@TOCATL: You are exactly right. If it worked on PS2, how the hell can't it work on the Wii? Infact, the best DMC is still on the PS2! Capcom probably said NO to a DMC4 "PORT" - an independent Wii version is still possible and the controls would be amazing !

zztopp

dmc4 brings zero improvement to game design.

of course its a perfect fit for wii.

sitsalot

@skullivan: Yes i am, my 360 its been collecting loads of dust since a few months, and with the ds well, my 360 is going to stay off for a long time, maybe with crimson skies it will live again...

TOCATL

@skullivan: Wii is 250 dollars and games tend to be 50-30 bucks at release. 360 and PS3 are each at least 100 dollars more and the games all cost 60 bucks a pop. I can understand why they would want to have it on the Wii for that reason alone.

NitrousO

@DoesNotEqual: They don't, because they own a Wii ;)

@burningranger01: Maybe they should, but thats not a point, lets rather call it trash and start system wars, world must be coming to an end when people like things and want them when they look great. Better to be ignorant and hate things. If you are an xbot or whatever, take it as a compliment or something instead of taking a piss at them.

Irenicus-the one and only

it worked on the ps2 but it would never work on the wii ? >_> , better say "we are not thinking on working in that project" , and right now many big devs have no excuse to not give the wii a chance, look at mario galaxy it look great...

TOCATL

@DoesNotEqual: Probably because the best games on the Wii are all first party. The other good ones are utterly dependent on the Wii's control scheme or are already multiplatform.

NitrousO

@Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.: That's like saying Halo 3 is a series of minigames connected by running, where each minigame is shooting some guy.
@DoesNotEqual: Go back and read some No More Heroes threads here.

Torgen thinks AAA means "Costs $60"

Wii fans need to wake up and realize that if they want games like DMC4, they're going to need to get a 360 or PS3. I have nothing against the Wii, but come on, why in the world would you want to play a lamed down version of DMC4 or RE5 or Bionic Commando (and why is it always Capcom games in question)?

The Wii is most at home aside another console. Man can not live on Wii alone.

skullivan

Just finished it on the 360. Its a decent game, but nowhere near the next great action adventure its said to be. Lame story, unwieldy camera angles and same old tired mechanics (I have played all the DMC games) indicate that this series is in a serious need of an overhaul. No, Wii gamers don't need this game - maybe a Ninja Gaiden Wii would be more interesting.

zztopp

@Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.: I think the problem is that they would have to remake virtually everything graphics and engine related to make it work on the Wii and by the time it would be done, interest in it might be too low for it to be worth it for them. I don't know why he said that the Wii's control scheme wasn't up to snuff though. Metroid 3 proved that it can be amazing as long as the developer understands how to use it.

NitrousO

It amazes me how people think this generation of consoles is like the last one. The gap between the 360/PS3 and the Wii is wide enough that not every game can be cross-platform. EA will do it because EA milks their cash cows until their udders are raw, but some games just can't be sized down like that.

Odd how I hear substantially fewer PS3/360 owners looking at Wii games and saying, "You think that'll come to [my system]?"

DoesNotEqual

They'll never do it, sure.

Doesn't mean they aren't capable, though.

They ported Devil May Cry 3 to cell phones, after all.

Resident Evil 4, as well.

slash000

@thomas c: Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't that a series of minigame compilations tied together by a storyline?

Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.

@burningranger01: "just those who really THOUGHT?", what the hell does that mean?

Is anyone really surprised by this announcement? You can scale a game all you like but at a certain point, it just isn't realistic.

NitrousO

@Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.: Itagaki likes X360 too much to make a Wii Ninja Gaiden. Also, Zack and Wiki? I assume you think the REs so far are rehashes, since you had to ask.

Torgen thinks AAA means "Costs $60"

@Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.: the last time was zack and wiki. and no one bought it.

thomas c

@burningranger01: someone get this man a paramedic; it seems he had a stroke mid-comment

thomas c

Okay, forgive me if someone else has already repeated this but...

So basically what these developers are saying, despite the fact that Devil May Cry originated on PS2 and supported two sequels, Wii can't support Devil May Cry. It's times like these when I shake my head at the ridiculous comments of these people. First of all, Wii doesn't have to support motion control for every game so the idea that the controls wouldn't translate is total bullshit. The Classic controller could easily support DMC4 control scheme. Four face buttons 4 shoulder buttons, two analog sticks and a d-pad. Did I miss something? Of course the game wouldn't look as good as the PS3 or 360 version but these developers talk as if they've been making games in HD with the current resources for the last 10 years. Give me a break. Capcom won't make DMC4 for Wii because they don't want to. Period. If PS2 can support God of War and God of War 2 and is still better than DMC4 then there is no damn reason why a Devil May Cry couldn't be made for Wii.

Maybe Tecmo can step up to the plate and make a Ninja Gaiden for Wii since Capcom has no balls. Ninja Gaiden for DS looks awesome and it's a day one purchase for me. When was the last time Capcom made a great game for DS or Wii that wasn't rehash, minigame bruhaha, or yet another Megaman Battle Network 42 Ultra Future Fighter in 2112 co-starring your mom?

Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.

@Irenicus-the one and only:
They should have seen this shit coming.not all wii owners btw, just those who really THOUGHT! there get there beer, drinking boy demographic games on a playschool system with a sega fishing rod attached to it.:/

time to play some COD :3

burningranger01

@Torgen:
It's not the same thing. Just because Super Mario was good on the NES doesn't mean i want those kinds of graphics on my PS3/360 now. Our expectations are always getting higher over the years.

IntelSilver

@half-beast: Im so afraid at how that is going to turn out. :x

Witzbold

@Falconfire: Shenmue did the same, and I was fine with that, but not fine about the third never showing up /cries

Irenicus-the one and only

Wii's getting Monster Hunter 3.
I'll let this one slide.

half-beast

The time and expense needed to port DMC4 to the Wii isn't feasible in the slightest. You'd have to practically rebuild the game from the ground up to utilize the Wii's limited graphical capabilities and rework many of DMC's standard controller oriented moves to accommodate the Wiimotes unique method of operation. Too much time and energy expended on a frivolous port when you could be doing something new.

A Wii-centric DMC from scratch sure, but a DMC4 port? Be reasonable. Though it would be fun to thrust the Wii remote like a made man to perform Stinger or Million Stab.

KeroseneClimax

I'm pretty sure I would have better luck bashing my head against a wall then getting involved in any nintendo related debate.

Len Bias Cocaine Surplus

@IntelSilver: @Torgen Exactly! I guess we can expect stupid flames about the Wii and the Wii owners for as long as it is the most popular console eh? *sigh fun 10years ahead from today now ;)

Irenicus-the one and only

Thats fine, I could think of a ton of other games I'd rather play anyway.

Besides I hate to break it to him but I think the DMC series rivals Final Fantasy in pretentiousness. Im actually shocked after the total Fuck YOU ending of the first one people actually kept playing, since DMC 1 and 2 where basically one whole game split in 2 to make players pay out 100 bucks for a 50 dollar game. And even at that the difficulty that made the first one good was removed for 2 because too many people bitched... so in the end both games suffered.

Falconfire

@burningranger01: So Wii owners are stupid? thanks man. Lets hope all Wii owners from now on flame and trash every game they like that is not on the Wii, like some of you ;)

...

*sigh

...

Irenicus-the one and only

@Diamondblade:
Well Metal Gear didn't start on the Playstation...

IntelSilver

I like these "couldn't handle it" posts.
Because DMCs 1-3 weren't any fun, even when they originally came out, because they only had PS2-level graphics.

Torgen thinks AAA means "Costs $60"

Hell, I'd rather play an imaginary DMC4 on nothing, than seeing it played on the Wii.

bigdude209

@symphony_of_the_night: Thats cool, that doesn't mean they can't make a DMC4 for the Wii or someone else. But my point is, no one can say it "can't" be done, maybe not by these guys (we can't be good at everything in life,) but it CAN be done. DMC wasn't always on a 360 and ps3.

@Archaotic: All games ain't played or should be played with motion controls on the Wii, you might not know this, but there is a classic controler and a gamecube one etc. Also, I was not talking about a straight port no, and if it was a port I still think they could make it entertaining enough and good looking (maybe not as good) to be a huge success on the Wii. But a Wii made DMC4 from the ground up would of course be better.

Great pun at halo+story, I loved the first halo and hated the second and the novels lol

Anyway, don't tell me it can't be done, some fanboys keep saying that and I'm sick of hearing it, because I know it is a bunch of BS.

@LeLoi: Can you blame them/us? Rather people hate games and say they are shit because they can't play them on "their" console?

Irenicus-the one and only

I can not believe Nintendo fan boys are this stupid to ask...wait a minute , they own a Wii..oh ok, guese they are :/

burningranger01

@BigDuo: amen to the no more heroes comment.

thomas c

Who was asking for it?

Blind_Evil

Of course the wii cant handle devil may cry 4.

The day a wii can play devil may cry f4 is the day my TI-86 calculator can play Gears of War.

Jcnet

@Archaotic: "DMC + motion controls seems to me to be a combination as unthinkable as Halo games + good storytelling"
best comment ever

symphony_of_the_night

What?! Wii owners were asking for a port for Devil May Cry 4?

goldwings

@Warik: Haha, yeah, I know!

kylenalepa