I waited for the redrings to stop, but I got a faulty DVD drive instead. Come back to me baby, I miss you. Warhawk can't hold a candle to CoD4 :(

ratba

@Hatchetforce: Please keep in mind that Sony's numbers represent actual units sold to consumers while Microsoft's numbers represent units shipped to retailers. As a result of M$ number tactics one can conclude that the actual numbers sold to consumers are much less than the number M$ reports.

SiR10D3th

360 will mostly dominate US.
PS3 dominates JP.
EU is a mixed bag. (Leaning towards the PS3 now)

If anyone was expecting anything else, they had some serious issues.
And now that Blu-ray is the dominant HD format, you can expect Sony to put a dent in 360's dominance over the US.

As for me, I only own a 360 for now. I couldn't get myself to buy a PS3 since most of its games were not that stellar, the price was prohibitive & the 360 was doing a nice job of catering for my every gaming need. If it was a JP RPG, the 360 has'em. FPS doesn't even need explaining. Adventure type, covered. Western RPGs, fully covered. Racers, check. Casual gaming, double check. Sports, more than you can shake a stick at.

The only thing that might sway me to buy a PS3 is if there is some kind of mega ultra exclusive title that you can't live without, and that isn't happening any time soon.

to counter the Blu-ray effect, MS needs to produce a player for the 360, take a hit on it, and keep those AAA titles coming in as fast as they can. For now, MS is slowing on the AAA title department, which needs to change very soon if they want to keep the US market theirs to keep.

Just my 2cents.

kyaku00x

The PS3 is still the cheapest Blu-ray player on the market. Who cares about games on the PS3 when it has movies!!

Sorry, what is the PS3 for again?

Lyme

The debate of which console is better in terms of software or hardware shouldn't be relevant in this generation of consoles. This is because the more important issue to debate is Microsoft's intent with the video game industry.

1) They do not care about the gamer, their customer. They only care about revenue.

2) They willfully released a console with a 30% failure rate just to get the jump on their competition.

3) They fail to professionally support customers who experience such failures by taking weeks and even months to return defective units which often fail again and even by returning warrantied units to customers which belonged to other users, thus causing a number of annoying issues for the user.

4) They are a software company yet they have not developed one good video game. They can only buy developer studios and publish the content for their hardware or OS. The last halfway decent game M$ actually developed in-house was Links and Flight Simulator for the PC over 10 years ago. What kind of software company can't develop good games?

What business does M$ have being in the video game industry to begin with? They are not a hardware company. They are a software company that doesn't have the intellectual ability to produce a single solitary good game internally.

The only reason why they sell consoles is because their customers fall for their marketing tactics and M$ has the money to buy any good game developer who will sell themselves.

You, the gaming consumer have the power to teach M$ a lesson by not buying an XBOX 360 and making room for another console to come forth; One developed hopefully by a company who actually cares about gamers and doesn't intend to pollute the gaming industry for the sake of making a $.

SiR10D3th

look at software sales THEN compare 360 to ps3

sudz

@Paviel: wii has not hardcore games
HA I SAID IT

bobbus-maximus:killed a man with a toothbrush

What's this about Nintendo not having any hardcore games? I could have sworn that Fire Emblem was pretty darn hardcore, and Nintendo-exclusive to boot...

Paviel

@TRT-X: And I'd imagine the PS3 sales are tied to the initial cost problems.

RealmRPGer

@rodsky: It's actually going to be the other way around. Sony hardware/sdk designers have always been arrogant bastards, refusing to take third party developer difficulties into account, and the PS3 is no different. Developers are finding that they need to jump through a bunch of different hoops to get the machine to do what they want, so they are starting to move development to the PS3 as the lead platform. That way, they'll have more time to work with the PS3's quirks in order to get it to do what they want. Once that's done, they can go to the 360 and do a conversion relatively easily, since XDK doesn't force them to jump through so many hoops to do the same thing.

@PSN: Lp47: Well how did it sell more units faster than 360?
I already explained it in an earlier post. It isn't because the PS3 is a superior piece of hardware...they just benefitted from brand recognition and a late release. If Kuturagi hadn't been a moron and had actually looked at his customers as more than a walking wallet willing to throw money away all willy nilly, the PS3 could have cleaned house much faster.

cxmnky

Everyones saying how the PS3 has no games. Well how did it sell more units faster than 360? People know Playstations sell, they have always been the top machines. Why would the PS3 all of a sudden stop bringing us the great games we all know and love from Playstaion products. Were still going to get new exclusives, were still going to get MGS, Final Fantasy and God of War. Sony has just come out of the gate with a slow start.

PSN: Lp47

@YUYU: Get an 80gb or buy a $99 PS2 on top of a $399 40gb. Which will then equal a 60gb.

PSN: Lp47

Almost there!

Metal and Final, Metal and Final...

SSJPabs

It's not very fair to compare Wii sales to PS3 since for the price of an 80GB PS3 you can buy two Wiis. Same goes for that old DS and PS2 comparison. $130 vs. $450 at launch.

kylo4

@rodsky:

so that the excuse now adays. Attach rate will lower.Yea you keep believing that.

k4polo

@Ixero: No offense, but in the time that I've owned my PS3 there have been maybe a hand full of titles on the systems that have been worth my time. Hell, even the game that my mouth was watering for (Madden 08) sucked on the PS3 and in order to get my football fits I was forced to buy Madden for the 360. That's not to say there aren't any great games for the systems, it's just the types of games that made me enough the PS2 have yet to arrive for the PS3... but I'm keeping my fingers crossed. (I mean MetalGear Solid 4 is coming).

BunnyPopEmcee

the blu-ray player is only gonna make attach rate worse, and developers are gonna continue to develop 1st on the 360 then port to PS3 cuz its still a bitch to make games

rodsky

@Jashan:
Japan didn't buy any because they don't want a broken FPS console.

DoubleV

I bought a PS3 for the blu-ray player, and to play my PS2 and PS1 games over an HDMI connection. Yes, I have a more complex than usual theatre system and running a new cable for the crappy PS2 wasn't really attractive, especially since I needed a blu-ray player anyway (It has been obvious to me for years that BD would pull out as the winner in this stupid competition, as just like VHS to Beta, the relevant features were superior on the format. Beta was not superior for home video usage compare to VHS which is what made it popular (recording movies off of TV))

err uh long subtext there, got lost.

Anyway the point is, I was never a fan of the PS3 for games of its own and figured I'd probably never buy them. But at this point, I've almost accidentally ended up with 7 full PS3 games, all of which I enjoy. I've also really enjoyed the system's interface, far more than the 360 which feels like a horrible website all the time. I also like playing online for free. I really hate that I paid for Live access, and for what, halo children to scream at me?

Also I have a bunch of download games, for the PS1/PSP things, and also PS3 and PSP specific. I have Mac computers, so the PC PSN store is useless to me and my PSP. Having the PS3 as a media conduit has been great too. Although it could use some improvement in the network media server support area.

Basically, when it comes down to it, the PS3 is an excellent piece of kit, undeniably attractive in form both on the device itself and the interface. You can call numbers all you want, but at some point people are going to start seeing it as something nice to have. Something with less of a constant drain on their money than the 360. And small things do matter to some people, for example, the fan and drive noise of the 360 is horrible compared to the PS3. But, to be fair, the PS3 fan can crank up when necessary to be FAR louder than the 360 has ever been in my presence. I had it in a closed AV pier and that was a mistake, as it started to overheat the full fan came on, and I thought a vaccum had been turned on in the room it was so loud hehe.

Anyway, all the pissing and moaning in the comments about game counts and such are so boring, I thought I'd offer some reasons for why I like the PS3 regardless of having X vs. Y game. Since I have all of the consoles I've found I prefer firstly to get any multiplatform game on the PS3 because I won't have to pay for Live to play online, and because it'll produce less excess noise when I play.

cybereal

fair enough, the 360 had a slow-ish start as some people really were on the fence about purchasing one (coupled with bad press like disc scratching/etc.) I remember it took a bit more longer than a year for things to really start picking up for the 360. Was it sometime GOW was released?

iRloading

I hope this will end all the "ps3 is failing, doomed and going to die" I had to listen to for more then a year or so.

Irenicus-the one and only

@Stormbringer: *sob* oh great now i got tears in my milk, DAMN SONY THIS IS YOUR FAULT. jk
I knew my ps3 was a good choice
and the 360
and the wii
because they are all great systems. we need gaming harmony :)

bobbus-maximus:killed a man with a toothbrush

Where are all the clueless newbies now, claiming PS3 does not sell, and has no games...

Crying in their milk and cookies?

Stormbringer

@Ryan Saotome: Warhack for example...

Not a surprise given that it had a better start then the PS2 and 360 and it's been improving with better games coming out and Blu-ray dominance...kudos to Sony

heero69

@RawSteelUT: Technically, the only place the Wii seems to 'only' be a Wii Sports machine is IN Japan, where it has an abysmal attach rate. In the US and Europe, it has respectable attach rates (around 5). Not quite the 360's rate, but that's a different argument. Otherwise, the Wii still is pretty much atop the hardware sales everywhere but the US (Counting Europe as a whole. Breaking down Europe of course, you end up with wholly different numbers for everything.)
As well, Japan hasn't really declined in gaming itself, just the stationary form of it. Arcades and consoles are somewhat suffering because handhelds are becoming a potent source of gaming, both for casual and more constant gamers. The more powerful handhelds become, the less likely you'll see gamers turning to other sources there.

@Amazing-Steve: As far as I know, VGC is an okay source. It's not like some amazing, 100% accurate source, but they always adjust things according to when appropriate numbers are found. A lot of people who hate on the site generally hate the community on it, ioi in general, or the fact that their console of choice losing is being prominently displayed on the front page. So long as you don't believe that VGC numbers are pinpoint accurate, I generally agree with 'em.

Ampillion lives a life much like No More Heroes.

DIEEEEEEEEEEE fanboys DIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEE im so sick of hearing all of you whine about which system is the best get all of them dammit. there all good and ps3 doing good just creates more competition for the rest of them to do better, cant we all just get along?

Oh and BTW sony 2008 FTW
(sorry couldnt resist)

bobbus-maximus:killed a man with a toothbrush

If they want a meaningful comparison involving only those markets where actual competition between the 360 and PS3 is taking place, they should take out the Japanese numbers.

Gina-get-u

Should just like to mention, if vgchartz is biased, its biased against the PS3. They constantly undertrack the PS3.

Either way, good show Sony. Now show me some new exclusives.

SnakeCL

"Worldwide" numbers mean far less now than they ever have. In every generation prior to this, we had the same console leading without question in each market, from the NES back in the day to the PS2 just last generation. Now we have markets that have become much more separated. As Crapsh00t mentioned above me, there's an enormous difference between North America, Europe and Japan. Microsoft is undeniably the market leader in the US. Sony, of course, owns Europe, and Japan's decline as a gaming nation has allowed Nintendo to move right on in. Then each console has its own mysteries and limitations. A snowball would do better in hell than MS has been doing in Japan, despite herculean efforts to woo Japanese gamers. The PS3's price was seen as more of an issue in the States, which is strange as all hell to me since Europe pays much more for that thing, and the Wii is impossible to gauge outside of Japan, given the poor software sales all around. Is it simply being bought as a Wii Sports machine? This is an overly complicated market, and simple "worldwide figures" aren't going to tell an American, Japanese or European which is the lead horse in their neck of the woods.

RawSteelUT

@LeLoi: O.O My God.Then I must recommend you a "masochist club" here in Mexico.
^_^ I want that you be happy.

OT79

Not being an apologist, just the business major in me coming out:
-We have a massive separation between Worldwide market statistics and North American statistics. This may lead to a permanent schism between NA development and foreign development in terms of console of choice.
-PS3 software attach rates are not behaving in a consistent manner.

These both have business implications for development decisions for third party developers. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.

crapsh00t

" BY TORGEN THINKS AAA MEANS "COSTS $60" AT 10:08 AM

Did VGChartz become more credible since I last checked? I thought he pulled his data out of his ass. "

The VGChartz data is only credible when it falls in Sony's favor. When the numbers reverse again, and they will, we'll be back to OMFG VGChartz is teh biased against Sony!!! OMFG!!!!!

Amazing-Steve

Being a newer user on this site and have only been posting a few short months, I've seen headlines AND comments sway from very pro 360 over to somewhat pro PS3 and not just here on Kotaku. Believe me when I say most people don't think they sound like fanboys until you see from the other side of the fence which is CLEARLY apparent if you look at what most of the fanboys in this thread have to say. Accusing PS3 fanboys of being the most rabid of all when clearly you're no better (looking at you Masume)

Good for PS3, I'm pretty sure Sony didn't intend to make XBOX owners unhappy by having someone post sales numbers for them. If you're happy with your Xbox purchase go play it.

Jericho114

This is like a year ago, but Sony is now MS and MS is Sony, talk about a turn of events. I don't think anyone of us really expected to see a flood of bad news for 360 more then for the ps3 this time into the system wars (but gdc got some good MS news.)

Irenicus-the one and only

Europe and Japan tipped the scale for Sony

reptile168

@Ryan Saotome: Online games are on the PC. You lose and credibility by even thinking a game on a console could even outclass a PC game.

Bootes

@TRT-X:

Um, but the reports haven't faded away...

theflux

@shorty1k: I think he is referring to a truly ''next-gen'' experience. He isn't that far off from his assertions that the Wii doesn't have this particular experience because so far I haven't seen a truly next-gen game on the Wii. Not like it matters though. SMG was pretty darn fun. Different strokes for different folks i guess........

LeLoi

@Mr. Fap☆Fap!:

Nothing is stopping the Wii from having some truly excellent, deep games - except the market, unfortunately. For many people (i.e. the very very casual gamers), the Wii is a first console and/or an occasional diversion rather than the main entertainment source.

Which is kinda sad cos a lightsabre game or Bushido Blade sequel (PLEASE?!) would be very sweet.

Koztah

@BunnyPopEmcee: There are games for the PS3.

Ixero

@JoeshieB7:
Right...you might want to look into a little known game called Mario Galaxy, I heard it's game of the year or something..

shorty1k

@JoeshieB7:

"The Wii is in a totally different competition. If I want games with deep storylines, characters, and gameplay, along with strong-third party support, the Wii is the very LAST system I will look too."

That's just silly. What is possibly stopping the Wii from creating games with any of those things?

The only thing the Wii is lack is strong (quality) 3rd party support.
And what does it matter to you if the games you buy are 3rd party or 1st? A good game is a good game, regardless of who makes it.

Mr. Fap☆Fap!

That's kind of what Sony's been saying since the PS3 launched but rather than pay attention the media chose to jump on the Sony bash bandwagon.

pABSO

The "No games" argument is getting old. If we don't count multiplat games, then no console has any games - except the Wii.

I've had my PS3 for a month and a half now, and I have six games and I can think of another half dozen that are out right now that I want to get.

I don't understand how people need a few thousand games in order to consider a console as "having games" - the average adult works 8 hours a day, sleeps 8 hours every night. Deducting transit time to and from work, this leaves maybe 5-6 hours to play per weekday.

Now, unless the only thing you do is play games - i.e. you don't eat, or take dumps, or talk/hang out with friends, or read Kotaku, spent quality time with the girlfriend/wife what-have-you, clean up and do the laundry - then there are plenty of games on the system to keep you busy, and more on the way.

Koztah

I'm curious to see how many games were sold for both platforms during the first year.

No-contest.

interstate78

@Ampillion lives a life much like No More Heroes.:
''Do you enjoy pain or something? :p''

Why yes sir i do! lol

LeLoi

@LeLoi: Buh? Fanboys, by definition, are rabid, jabbering morons most of the time. None of them are in any way more civilized or intelligent than any other fanboys. PS3 fanboys are just as stupid and ranting as the 360 or Wii ones. Provoking any fanboy is like knocking on a nest of hornets. Why even bother? Do you enjoy pain or something? :p

Ampillion lives a life much like No More Heroes.

That is impressive since the PS3 has been going head to head with 360 since day 1..and almost the same with the Wii...and 2008 figures to be a better year for the PS3 as well..

qBIRD

@cxmnky: That's true. The Wii is certainly eating everyone's lunch. I don't understand the appeal but I may pick one up anyway just to see what the hub bub is about.

rawg

@rawg:
And for that, I'd point to the Wii. Once all the consoles were out, the Wii, with it's lower price point and the PR overload, looked a lot more appealing than the 360 or PS3 for most folks.

cxmnky

@Masume: I generally find that PS3 fanboys are the least rabbid of them all....probably due to the fact that they don't have much to brag about. 360 fanboys are okay but the worst are probably Wii fanboys. They are ridiculously stubborn and short sighted. Try telling a Wii fanboy about the Wii's weaker line up of games and they will FREAK lol

LeLoi

@ShirtGuyDom: It's called MS Fanboys. and no one likes fanboys of any system.

Jopan

Kudos to Sony for keeping their heads up. 2008 is their year to shine.

LeLoi

@Masume: It's kind of hard for the 360 fanboys to "distance" themselves from the Wii, given the whole "Wii360" thing that existed for so long. As in "nobody will buy the PS3 because everybody's second console will be a Wii!"

Now that that's obviously not what's happening in most of the world, it's pretty hard to say "well, the Xbox 360 and Wii are in different categories anyway", especially when that was the basis of the entire Wii360 thing in the first place. Yes, they're in different categories - and that's supposed to help the 360, not hurt it! They were supposed to team up and beat back the PS3.

I think it's time for "WiiPS3".

badasscat

I can't understand the mentality which feels threatened because a system you dont own is doing better than one you do own?
Does the success of the PS3 mean the 360 is suddenly without top quality games?, Is the success of Microsoft in ensuring so many great exclusives a sign that your PS3 no longer works?
Chill the fuck out people,ther's more than enough good stuff for everyone, no matter which console they own.

Cruithne

@Ryan Saotome:
Warhawk!

GimmeCat

@TRT-X: So you never bought one?

Zing.

method47

Good for Sony and us PS3 owners current and many future. Also rpg fans, go check out Folklore if you want a good one for the PS3.

DrunkRaba

@DarkCode: That's entirely accurate, and my point entirely, really, although I've noticed a particular 'rabidness' from Sony's camp that I don't see from the 360 boys. At least, most of the Wii bashing I've seen comes from them trying to distance the consoles as different entities, as per example in this thread alone. But yes, fanboys exist for every brand, and Nintendo's was just as bad back in the days when they were up against SEGA, as were SEGA's. It's been pretty quiet on their front a lot lately though, more than likely because of the systems success.

Masume

@cxmnky: MS had several disadvantages when they released early that would feed a slow growth curve.

You make good points explaining why MS would have a slow growth curve compared to the PS3 but you're overlooking the fact that MS sold fewer 360's this year than last year.

Getting off to a slow start is one thing but then slowing down even more? That's a problem.

rawg

@def PD: Haha, spot on.

HoxtonHero

@Masume: Come now, fanboys are fanboys no matter what system they are defending. I'd say the people continuing to send in their systems and not even look at alternatives as the true thoughtless and blind fanboys.

DarkCode

Woah, did I slip and fall into a time machine back to five months ago when saying PS3 had no games was already a tired saying?

I think the 360 fanboys are being overly defensive.

DarkCode

@Ryan Saotome: Resistance is a good game, who cares if it's outclassed. You want variety, right? Well, it'll give it to you. It's got unique weapons systems and it's pretty fun. I wouldn't spend 60 bucks on it, personally, but it was worth 40. And then there's Uncharted, which has most certainly not been outclassed by anything anywhere. And Warhawk is a unique, pretty, and quite fun online game, that I would say has not been outclassed by anything, anywhere either. And Ratchet & Clank is great fun, and I can't think of any game on the 360 that's anything like it in style and gameplay. So... now that we got that covered, I'll get back to reading Microsoft's Keynote liveblogging.

baked ham

@slomo788: How is not comparing consoles that sell the same game genres not exactly fair? I saw the point that you were trying to make, but it lacks fact and more opinion. The 360/PS3 are exactly in the same category, unless 'entertainment boxes' are some new category that recently came into being.

I know, it might sting a bit to realize that the Wii has games outside of the casual genre, but it does. It's the same beast as a 360/PS3. It's userbase consists of not only 'casual' gamers but gamers that have been buying consoles since the Atari has been out, and possibly more 'hardcore' than those who throw the term around like gaming is still a niche hobby.

Oh, and the PS2 no longer counts for this generation, and it has had several years of sales time. Of course it's going to be more saturated...for now. Check back in the same timeframe, and I'd wager it won't be.

Masume

@TRT-X: My friend's Elite just red-ringed, so I don't think they are entirely gone yet...

Foxdie

@Drakron: Awesome because I like roadster, but I don't like station wagon, although I do like my wii

Playstation

@Jashan:
"Sony sucks and is still last. The 360 probably didn't sell that fast at is because of a) people were probably waiting for all the consoles to come out, and b) Japan didn't buy any.

Just because Sony is doing slightly better doesn't mean it's doing good :P There does seem to be a bit of bias on kotaku. "

Let's have a healthy discussion here.
So what do you mean "People were probably waiting for all the consoles to come out"?
I thought we have all the consoles out today? Are you talking about xbox 720?

I don't understand, "..sony is doing slightly better doesn't mean it's doing good" ? what do you mean by that. You are so contradicting. Of course if they do it better, that means it's good for them.

Kotaku is biased? Dood, that article was taken from a different site (look at the reference (external link)) If you want to hear every good thing about 360 and can't take less than that, you should stick with 360fanboy.com

Sony suck and is still last? I don't get it, please tell me the reason why Sony suck?

I just don't understand what are you bubbling about. Being a fanboy is okay but don't let your words make you look *not smart*.

Playstation

@slomo788: Kia's are garbage. Not only are the interiors a complete joke, but buying one is like saying "if someone made a cheaper car, i'd buy it. since they don't i'm buying a kia".

evolution0

@theprof00: Could be because of the shortages MS has been facing though...

BonkUGood

And the Wii sold even faster than the PS3 in *its* first 14 months. Will that be tomorrow's "Console War" headline? Nothing quite generates the page views a good ol' Kotaku PS3 v. 360 pissing match does, so it's highly doubtful.

P.N.03

Why do people say if it was just US sales the 360 would win. What matters is total sales for the same amount of time...that is the comparison here. Yeah you would run faster than me if my feet were tied..but that's not fair is it?

nxp3

But I thought PS3 was teh d00med! I guess not...

axia777

@Drakron: Just like Kia is not about horsepower or chilling speeds. It's about cheap and safe mean of locomotion.

slomo788

also the 360 was competing against all the cheap last gen consoles, hmmm lets see parent walks into Best Buy wants games for kid, well we have ps3 thats $129 and has a million cheap games, or the new 360 thats $399 and games are more expensive and not that many of them,

GEEEEE WHICH ONE WOULD THE PARENT CHOOSE?!

rodsky

@slomo788:

Sorry but the PS2 is going to be phased out, its still in manufacturing but its the same as trying to put a car that is near its end on the production line next to one that started production last year.

The Wii is not going to be phased out, if you REALLY want to be technical you could say the Wii is a station wagon as the PS3/Xbox 360 are roadster.

But that just points the issue, the Wii is not made for "OMG! near photo realism that still looks fate and makes pancakes!!!" ... its made for gameplay driven games that fall into "casual gaming".

Drakron

PS3 SALES:

60% GAME SYSTEM
40% CHEAPEST BLU-RAY PLAYER

percentages subject to change as the PS3 gets less games and more movies

rodsky

@R3load:

I'm sorry, how about next-gen competition. They were still attempting to gain competitive advantage by putting forth better technology than was currently available from any business. Microsoft is a big company too, you know.

Mpalm.

If all the consoles were priced the same, the wii would not be the best seller.

kyosuke9999

@Kyle81: In europe I think PS3 was a month before Wii, I can't remember though, either way it's selling faster and I doubt it's sales will suddenly dip.

-Sigil-

Playstation 3 sucks. Here is why:
A friend of mine bought a ps3 on Euro-release for 599, euro's that is - roughly more than 750 USD. Only to find out that 3 months later the console sells for the same EUR 599 pricetag but with two controllers and two games included. Worth about 200 euro's (a loss for every early Euro-adaptor). Then within six months after initial purchase a playstation 3 can be picked up for as low as EUR 388,-

People your confused! Offcourse sales are up when you give them things away for free. 360 didn't sellout on their customers. The value was and is consistent.

Xbox360 rulez because of it's supreme community built by real gamers for real gamers.

I ratherr buy 4 360's and have them die on me than purchase piss-station 3. For only 360 will experience 'Alan Wake, Left4Dead, Dead Island, Too Human, Halo Wars et cetera in 2008.' I dare you to name one PS3 new exclusive franchise for this year that can match the likes of one of these titles.

KingOfSheep

@Masume: My point, since you missed it, was that it's not fair to compare two consoles targetted at different audiences. But since Darkron wanted to include the Wii because it's a video game console, I find it just fair to include the PS2 and show him how being a video game console is not enough to be compared to entertainment boxes like 360 and PS3, which are fighting for the same spot.

slomo788

@jarldg: Some people just can't take jokes dude.

kyosuke9999

@TRT-X: Ahaa. So when it's the Wii it's red apples to red apples but with PS2 it's apples to oranges. Why is that I ask? Because it launched earlier? Then you can't compare 360 to Wii and PS3. Is it because its hardware is more inferior? Then take the Wii out also. However, like Darkron said, they are all video game consoles, and the PS2 is not dead yet from what I've seen.

slomo788

what is even more interesting, is that this week ps3 actually outsold 360 in America, which it hasn't been able to do for quite a while. The overall world numbers have been 3-2 average for a month and a half, but 360 always won the american market.

theprof00

@slomo788: Your logic astounds me. The PS2 isn't in the console race for this generation, and your comparing several years of sales to the few years the current generation has been out. Given the currrent rate of Wii sales, it will likely surpass it, but only time will tell.

Drakron's frustration comes from my comments earlier, but getting a sheep to think outside the box really doesn't work. It's called blind obedience, or patriotism, if you prefer, to their brand of choice. Consumerism at it's finest. I wouldn't worry either way Drakron, your not going to convince those that can't be convinced, and no amount of BS will change the actual fact that the Wii is the most successful console of our generation. Expect a lot of copy catting for the next, mark my words. Heck, they have been trying to adjust and do that in this generation.

Here's hoping this doesn't go to Nintendo's heads.

Masume

@nxp3:
Except HD-DVD wasn't a 360 exclusive feature. It was an add-on. MS can just as easily release a Blu-Ray player and problem solved.

It's not like they built it into the console itself.

TRT-X

@Masume:
Fanboys are fanboys. The only ones who are quiet are Wii ones. PS3/360 are all one and the same in defense of theirs and bashing of the other side.

atomos

@AkirasCrow: UT3 is not a PS3 exclusive. Please remove the asterisk from it.

y2julio

@-Sigil-: wha.... PS3 and Wii launched at the same time. There was only a week between releases. In Europe the PS3 also launched late in Europe.

Kyle81

VGChartz may not be 100% accurate, but one is for sure, they are NOT 4 months wrong!!!! They may be out by a few thousand or even hundred thousand units, but they are NOT millions out. So they give a good idea of how everyone is doing.

I am willing to bet that the same people decrying VGChartz's numbers are the same ones who were holding out hope for a HD-DVD come-back at beginning of Feb.

sauvage

@slomo788:
You can't declare the PS2 the winner of a generation in which the Wii, 360, and PS3 are duking it out. It's apples to oranges (as much as I hate that metaphor)

Otherwise I could say that the true winner of the format wars was DVD, not Blu-Ray or HD-DVD.

TRT-X

@kpugs: Whats your point? Reverse that logic and take North America out of the 360's picture and look at what you've got... a bomb.

Now I've got a 360 and I enjoy it as much as anyone but the idea that the 360 is overflowing with quality exclusive games is just ridiculous. As of now, you've got only a handful of games that are solely exclusive to the 360, and I'm not even talking about their big hitters. Halo, Mass Effect, Gears of War, they're all available (or are going to be) released on the PC. As far as I'm concerned, the PS3 is where you're going to find the TRULY exclusive games. You've got your Final Fantasy XIII, MGS4 and others.

chantron

it seems most of us were distracted by NPDs, which only follows the US without really realizing the impact of the sales from other countries.

mentalboy11

@DrakeLake: Yeah but I think Nintendo will win this gen since it is hitting the casual market better than the others, it came out after the PS3 and has over twice the sales so I don't see it dying so quick. I want MS to win next time since they are good really but RROD means they don't deserve it this time. I do love the 360 though.

-Sigil-

@Drakron:

Perhaps I confused your comment with someone else's (I was reading everyone's posts, so I could see that happening). I thought you were the one who said something about them not being the same, even though they're all cars, or some other such nonsense.

I apologize if I sounded like I was "attacking" you. I was not. I was just trying to figure out your logic, but since that wasn't you, it doesn't really matter anymore.

Zhabin

@magic_envelope: I agree. I want a 360 just for bioshock and a couple others, but can't believe it's still so goddamn expensive for its age. They need a price cut.

kyosuke9999

@kpugs: Exactly, if MS had managed to crack Japan things would look very different now. Well, not much different since the 360 still has more systems sold in the US and Europe, but it would have an even greater lead. Still there's always the next generation! :)

photoboy

@Drakron: What he meant is that they are both cars, not targeted to the same audience. If you want to include all consoles in the race right now, Wii loses to PS2. If you want to include all consoles ever made, PS2 still wins.

slomo788

its being pushed obviously by Blu-Ray ... cuz their games library sucks @$$.

Lanhoj

@Mpalm.: Maybe cos alot of people were waiting to see what the competition had to offer?

-Sigil-

Some must not have gotten the memo about Monday either. I feel sad for them. :(

atomos

I can't beleive how many 360 fanboy calling foul on hd dvd bashing. It's 360 turn to dissed so suck it up. Give ps3 owners a second of bragging rights. Then continue to bash the ps3.

nxp3

@Mpalm.: "Why didn't 360 sell more with absolutely NO competition then? Hmm?"

Easy. They are not Sony. The PS2 crushed all competition for two generations. Even the grandfather of gaming, Nintendo. The Xbox surely did have competition, the PS2, and image. Everyone like myself was waiting simply for the next Playstation, not the next gaming machine. Sony is the name and face of gaming, trust me. Nintendo is doing excellent but their numbers will too be surpassed by the PS3.

R3load

"Also Drakron you want to rope the Wii in with the PS3/360, because they're all gaming consoles, understandable. Yet someone ropes in a car (Kia) with another car (Porsche), and that doesn't count? They're all cars aren't they?"

I said it count, they are CARS and automobile magazines will BOTH review the KIA and Porsche models.

The idea on one hand you have the PS3/Xbox 360 and in the other the Wii as if they do not do the same thing is ... well stupid, they both serve EXACTLY the same purpose and there might be differences in performance but we go back to the KIA/Porche ... they have difference performances as well and if you asked me "hey! you rather have a KIA or a Porche?" then I would have to lay back and ask "What KIA and what Porche?" since there are different models and so different performances.

That is what I am against, the idea the Wii is not "really" a console as if the XBox 360/PS3 somehow are "true" consoles for some weird reason, its like saying a KIA is not "really" a car as a Porche is a "true" car.

Drakron

PS3 has no games and is a overpriced dust magnet!
Wii has no games and is a gimmick!
Xbox360 breaks down alot with the one ring to rule it all!

fight fight fight fight!

charsuipau

@Drakron: The PS3 was supposed to launch in NA with 400 000 units total. They didn't even meet that (there 40% of that missing). By 2007 Sony was HOPING to ship 1 million. They failed. PS3 was the worst entertainment launch ever (blue laser scandal anyone?). It launched in Europe in March, FIVE months after launch. It had to deal with the PS2, the 360 (not just a phantom) and the Wii! Not to mention the press bashing it all the time while they praised the 360 for Perfect Dark Zero. Wii had Zelda, 360 had Gears and PS2 had God of War 2 in March. PS3 had no known franchises. Despite all this, they still sold MORE than 360 overall in the same timeframe. There's no turning around this, shortages or not. And if someone wants to say Wii wins, I'll say PS2 wins!!

slomo788

It helps that Japanese publishers like Konami and Square are destroying their bottom lines for Sony, senselessly bypassing multi-platform releases of some of Japan's favorite titles, and making 360 a really poor purchase choice in the land of the rising sun.

Japanese publishers admit they are becoming increasingly dominated by western publishers, but few have the good sense of Capcom to go out and sell millions more units by developing multi-platform games. What would these numbers look like if Square and Konami weren't so beholden to protecting Sony?

OrionTheSmiter

Is there nothing more rabid than Sony advocates? Every thread containing derogatory remarks to any other system and it gets dumped on with 'Wii is for kids/360 blows' by every immature fanboy out there. Then when there's one slight against Sony they scream and cry, defending Sony's honor and blaming Kotaku for being biased against them. It's pathetic really, but even more so, hilarious. Sony loves you guys, really they do.

They pulled in some good numbers over the holiday, no doubt fueled by Blu-Ray for the most part. Expect it to pick up some steam so Sony is not going anywhere, but if your expecting some kind of 'victory' over other consoles it's already lost to the Wii, in terms of money made and units sold. Just be happy that they have to fight their way back up, rather than claiming some kind of monopoly and spoon feeding you rehashed, unimaginative titles. MS isn't going anywhere either, with the 360 being more viable than the last system and MS itself having more money than God, let alone Sony.

To sum up: Enjoy the perks and for your sakes buy another console and enjoy it. Following a brand label like sheep is a horrible trait to foster.

Masume

My god, I just stepped in troll shit up to my freaking waist. This place dosen't need a swing of the Ban Hammer, it needs a volley from the Ban Cannon.

TitillatedOcelot

Oh god , stop trying to convince the LOL PS3 HAS NO GAMES people that there are in fact games on the PS3 to play. It's a never ending cycle of fail. They are never going to believe you and it has to get tiring listing the games daily.

atomos

@-Sigil-:
"I'm glad cos I want MS to really lick the boots of Sony and start competing more. They were getting too cocky and not bringing much out."

While I don't care so long as one manufacturer isn't #1 in this 'console war' forever. Nintendo was pretty lazy with the N64, and Sony, too, at the start of this generation.

Refreshing top spots aren't bad.

DrakeLake

stupid double post. my bad

AkirasCrow

News? But I saw a chart elsewhere like 5 months ago showing the sales path of both consoles already showing this trend. But it is impressive still, the PS3 selling better than the Xbox 360, despite having a smaller game catalogue and a higher price point. Well, I guess the RROD actually scares people away.

Jomi294

I wish Sony would get off their ass and get some games. Games like: Resistance: Fall of Man, Marvel Ultimate Alliance, Call of Duty 3, Fight Night Round 3, Ninja Gaiden Sigma, Virtua Tennis 4, Motor Storm, Elderscrolls IV: Oblivion (GOTY Edition), Ghost Recon 2: Advanced Warfighter, Rainbow Six: Vegas, The Darkness, Heavenly Sword, Virtua Fighter 5, Ratchet and Clank Future: Tools of Destruction, Warhawk, Super Stardust HD, Pixlejunk Monsters, Calling All Cars, Assassin's Creed, Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare, NHL 08, Orange Box, Unreal Tournament 3, Devil May Cry 4, Uncharted: Drakes Fortune.

Then maybe their machine would be worth something besides the best Blu-Ray player on the market.

AkirasCrow

These people who think the Xbox 360 and PS3 are going to sell relatively the same number of consoles in this generation are out to lunch. It seems rather evident that PS3 is going to have a much larger install base.

PaulHunter

@BunnyPopEmcee:

I wish Sony would get off their ass and get some games. Games like: Resistance: Fall of Man, Marvel Ultimate Alliance, Call of Duty 3, Fight Night Round 3, Ninja Gaiden Sigma, Virtua Tennis 4, Motor Storm, Elderscrolls IV: Oblivion (GOTY Edition), Ghost Recon 2: Advanced Warfighter, Rainbow Six: Vegas, The Darkness, Heavenly Sword, Virtua Fighter 5, Ratchet and Clank Future: Tools of Destruction, Warhawk, Super Stardust HD, Pixlejunk Monsters, Calling All Cars, Assassin's Creed, Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare, NHL 08, Orange Box, Unreal Tournament 3, Devil May Cry 4, Uncharted: Drakes Fortune.

Then maybe their machine would be worth something besides the best Blu-Ray player on the market.

AkirasCrow

Sony sucks and is still last. The 360 probably didn't sell that fast at is because of a) people were probably waiting for all the consoles to come out, and b) Japan didn't buy any.

Just because Sony is doing slightly better doesn't mean it's doing good :P There does seem to be a bit of bias on kotaku.

Jashan

Wow...there is a lot of ridiculous fanboy-like bashing going on in here. When do you people defending your precious console of choice realize that A) competition is good for us, the consumer, you know...the people buying the games and systems, and B) you have nothing to gain by saying "Xbox is better" or "PS3 is better" just because you own that particular system.

It sucks that people can't go out and buy whichever system they want, and I wish I had enough money that I could buy every hardcore gamer any system they were missing due to a lack of funds. But you just waste your breath trying to defend how awesome your console is just because you don't get to enjoy everything that all 3 have to offer (which, by the way, all 3 have many games to offer).

@Drakron:

As far as I know (by way of a recent Kotaku posting that I don't care to look for now as I'm getting ready to leave), but Sony counts actual numbers sold, not shipped. MS counts numbers shipped, same as Nintendo (I believe...could be wrong).

(For the record, I own all 3 systems, I am not biased towards any of them since I get to play all the multi-plat games and the exclusives each console has to offer)

Also Drakron you want to rope the Wii in with the PS3/360, because they're all gaming consoles, understandable. Yet someone ropes in a car (Kia) with another car (Porsche), and that doesn't count? They're all cars aren't they?

Zhabin

@jfx316: lol multi-plat games don't count huehuehue such a joke :) PS3 does have FPS games and that what counts. I think a coconut did hit your head instead.

Playstation

I agree but did MS have 2 price cuts, 3 game bundles, movie bundles and BC SKU's being removed (which caused people to rush out and buy them)? Not really but it doesn't matter anyway, PS3 is just selling better at the end of the day. I'm glad cos I want MS to really lick the boots of Sony and start competing more. They were getting too cocky and not bringing much out.

-Sigil-

@slomo788:

No, first 4 months they were ... then things were solved.

Then again Microsoft did a token launch, the real launch was pretty much in February ... but the Xbox 360 was going against the PS2 and the phantom of the PS3.

I expected the Xbox 360 to "turn a Dreamcast" when the PS3 launched but due to Sony stupidity it holded.

Drakron

Looks like after all the bad things that seemed to have happened for Sony near the launch of the PS3 are going away slowly but surly and Sony is rising back to the top.

ocalot

@WTFpeople:
yeah, except blu will allow devs to store a lo of info on the damn thing.
@Drakron:
dude, i think sony counts consoles SOLD and not shipped

LittlestLamshi

@Drakron: Because of course you would know what numbers Sony gives and your investigations have proven that the numbers are another of their evil tricks. Right?

slomo788

Both consoles are good I think. The ps3 need more exclusives which I would enjoy. Nearly all of the games I own on my 360 are also on ps3. When tekken, Versus XIII and mgs come UK bound then I will shed my pounds.

DanteIX

I'm starting to REALLY like Tori!

Sailorcancer

@Drakron: So basically there were 360 shortages all year long? And ALL those in stores were completely sold out? I don't think so. The article goes beyond Microsoft defeat last month. It's about the whole PS3 lifespan compared to the first year of the 360.

slomo788

@AkirasCrow:
he's sayin exclusive wise

LittlestLamshi

@Hatchetforce:

Says who? Sony?

Sony ... the same company that keeps forgetting the different of "shipped","sold to customers","sold to retailers","in traffic","in a warehouse".

Microsoft plays with numbers but hell, at least they do not outright do what Sony does with then.

Drakron

Well put GRAY665, it's all about the games for. I don't care for arguments like "PS3 has Blu Ray ha!"

WTFpeople

@ waitinthecar
Criticism accepted.

jarldg

@slomo788:

Yes, there around 2 million Xbox 360 allocated to Europe (500.000 of then for the UK) and they only restocked around February.

The Xbox 360 vanished after it launched until restocked months later, that was clear due to "Ebayers" that make quite a killing during that time.

On the other hand the "PS3 Ebay strategy" did not go so well since supply meet demand but then you have the Wii were even some retailers have pushed the price up do to high demand and inability to restock it.

Drakron

Very nice, I feel the PS3 is the better system.

boots555

@Drakron:

Call BS if you want but Sarcastic Gamer spanked MS using their own sales numbers. The PS3 outsold the 360 in 2007.

Hatchetforce

@jarldg: All I ask is that you choose your words more carefully. Calling something "gay" is an insult to the gay community, whether or not you actually have a problem with homosexuality. My apologies for my abrasive tone.

waitinthecar

@slomo788: How could I forget R6V (without mentioning those brilliant PSN titles like SSHD and CAC)?

slomo788

@ daknight

I respect that.

jarldg

@Hiero Glyph: Just looking at my library: UT3, CoD4, Orange Box, Uncharted, Resistance, Oblivion, Assassin's Creed, Motorstorm and Fifa. I've had it since Dec 06 and I don't have a single BD movie. I love how for the 360 it's all the games, even if they are just above mediocrity, but for PS3, it's only the exclusive AAA that count as games. Well guess what? They call some games multi-plat for a reason. And even if a game is not AAA, it's still enjoyable (AC, Fifa08). But I can't change a hater can I? So keep on bashing, those who KNOW how great the system is will keep on enjoying it.

slomo788

@manjikengo:

Kind of hard to show why something doesn't sell without pointing out its flaws or "bashing" it. However, you seem very upset by this news, i must say. Your posts are all very defensive... it's just a console, you can actually buy all 3! I just find it funny how ps3 was ridiculed so often for selling so poorly and it outsold the 360 in the same period of time when the 360 had no competition whatsoever. Makes you wonder what would have happened if all three consoles were released at the same time and 360 didn't have a huge hard start.

Mpalm.

I always been a two console person, but right now the Wii is actually enough for me at the moment and just like PS3 owner probaly raise and eyebrow when the 'it has no game' argument comes. I myself raise and eyebrow, considering my library of wii games is 14 games. Well ok 13, one was a gift and it ain't that good, but of the other 12 I have enjoy them all and just haven't finish two (still working on No More Heroes and Zack and Wiki). I still don't have all the Wii games I want actually, so for me there is quite a nice library, tough I can admit there is some defently crap out there.

I also stop beliving the PS3 has no game line, it might not have for my taste of games, but it has a nice library for a variety of people. Still, I am happy with my wii and I am going to go beat assasing number 6 in a few minutes! He is going down in a beautiful bath of blood! (No More Heroes)

daknight

The big difference between fanboy fighting back in the day compared to today is that it was much more about the games back then. Sonic vs. Mario...stuff like that. This new breed of fanboy obsessed with monthly sales numbers and attach rates is a much more loathesome creature. I swear the last few stories posted today (Obama hates gamers, LOL a display 360 has a disc read error, now this) have been put up solely to lure out the fanboy trolls for ban monday. At least I hope thats the case.

Gray665

Here's the REALLY important info about all this:

1. I have a PS3.

2. I love it.

3. I would not want a 360. If I received one for free, I would sell it.

multimoog

I buy game consoles to play games, if it plays movies that's a bonus.

WTFpeople

@dead_red_eyes:
eyetory games like eoj

LittlestLamshi

Who needs to use Vgcharts numbers?

All you have to do is calculate the time it took for Microsoft to announce 10 million sold and you know for a fact that its longer than Sony announcing 10 million sold.

Wow, some people really dont know how to think sometimes. Its basic common sense. When they announce how many they sold in a press release, that should be the time factor, not some unreliable website.

Just because they say the PS3 sold faster doesnt mean you have to judge their articles based on their numbers alone. Sony announced 10 million sold much faster than Microsoft did.

Viet0ne

Kotaku writers,

You do realize that VG Chartz numbers incredibly inaccurate and that the vast majority of the numbers on that site have been pulled solely out of the ass of the site creator.

Tanod

@kingclip:

yeah, no game like:
Resistance: Fall of Man*
Motorstorm*
Marvel Ultimate Allaince
GRAW2
Rainbowsix: Vegas
Oblivion (GOTY Edition)
Fight Night Round 3
Virtua Fighter 5
Ninja Gaiden Sigma*
Warhawk*
Call of Duty 3
The Darkness
Folklore*
Heavanly Sword*
NHL 08
Virtua Tennis 4
Super Stardust HD*
Calling All Cars*
Devil May Cry 4
Assassian's Creed
Uncharted: Drakes Fortune*
Unreal Tournament 3*
Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare
Pixlejunk Monsters*
Orange Box

no freakin games at all!

AkirasCrow

@kpugs: Well it's a shame that Japan exists outside the US right? What if I wanted to sound dumb too and said that PS3 would have sold a TON more than 360 if US didn't exist.

slomo788

I just ask that we all stop with the damn memes. Seriously. They no longer have lulz. They were never lulz worthy to begin with. A friggin raid is in order for all those who proclaim memes to be standard conversation words.
-back to topic-

Comparing the amount of decent games between the 3 systems during their first year, it seems as if it's all fairly even with a difference of maybe one or 2 titles between the platforms. So...really, there shouldnt be any comment about the lack of good games until after the second year for all 3 has officially passed. That way we can compare their "up to now" prime.

Jechticknight

@RagingAvatar:
i don't blame you

LittlestLamshi

@WAITINTHECAR
Once again, it was in jest. And you cannot expect those who are elderly to have the same interest in games as the generation who grow up with it, nor can you deny the staggering amount of men over women who play games. And the comment about ten year olds, youngsters are more easily amused than most individuals, all going back to why the Wii is attractive to those groups and not so much individuals who are hardcore gamers/aren't Nintendo fanboys. Does this suffice or would you like me to further dilute something that was transparently a joke in the first place?

jarldg

@DanteIX:So there were 360 shortages since its launch? Why don't you read the article instead of looking like a moron? Besides, Sony, nor Microsoft or Nintendo for that matter, never release those numbers, only what they expect to ship.

slomo788

@manjikengo: The explanation is easy enough: It was late 2005 and the PS2 reigned supreme. It had the installation base, a low price point, and an incredible game library. Saying that the 360 had no competition is just a ridiculous claim to make these numbers, if they can be trusted, seem like they really mean something.

RandalGraves

@manjikengo:

I too am a little pissy about the lack of 4D games. Didn't they promise that? On the serious side, the PS3 is definitely the best blue ray player that you can get right now. I'll get one sometime in the future I'm sure. I'm just waiting for some games to come out on it that aren't on the 360.

dead_red_eyes

@manjikengo:

They were fulfilled... sloowly. Problem is, the initial MSRP crippled the user base growth to a point where publishers had less incentives to develop games. Lost exclusives, bad press from some developers etc.

We'll see how things fair this year. SCE can't carry the burden of putting out the system's best games alone.

SG79

@manjikengo: Yeah yeah. Now it's all Blu-ray's fault. Last year it would fail because of BD, it was overpriced because of BD, no PS3 owner knew what BD was apparently, etc etc. Now it wins only because of BD because of course, it has no games. Well even if BD was the reason, only goes to show you that the 360 really lacked something (besides reliability).

slomo788

It was always going to be an uphill battle for the X360 so any advantage it could get would be crucial so that's why they rushed it out the blocks. The fact that it's closed the gap to such an extent is a huge achievement although it should start losing ground as the millions of PS2 players start upgrading their machine this year.

I wonder what would have happened if MS had added an HD DVD drive; would HD DVD have won because of the bigger install base? Where would that have left Sony? Maybe MS missed a killer opportunity there.

midnightz

These numbers are tainted by Japan as well...you take Japan out of the equation for both 360 and PS3 and the 360 sold a TON more in that same period.

kpugs

Wasnt there a huge shortage of 360's on release anyway? I didnt get mine until the Febuary after the release. I would have thought sony would have announced this themselves, not VG Chartz (excuse my slang)

DanteIX

can i ask a question: why do people keep saying that the PS3 only has FPS? did a coconut hit these people in the head and they are mistaking the PS3 with the 360? really, multi-pat games don't count, name all these FPSs that live on the PS3.

whatever. continues playing pain and uncharted.

jfx316

@Pezdispenser:

BULLSHIT ALERT!

Beyond their "pulling stuff out of their asses" they use NPD numbers to correct their "its over 9000" numbers when they are wrong and other companies that do track software and hardware sales.

But until NPD says what were NA sales they are making guesses.

Drakron

WOW! I've never seen the comments go as crazy as they have today!

Well done to the PS3. It'snice to see them all doing well. I hope this will make people realise that the PS3 is not some second rate console, and programmers start taking it sereously! I want my PS3 orange box patch!!!

Amen!

Father ColdCuts

@Hatchetforce: What logic in my kotaku?! Away with you!

manjikengo

@jarldg: Apparently you missed my point. I could care less about what video game consoles you prefer playing. My comment was in reference to your ignorant use of the word "gay." Also, way to insult ten year olds, women, and the elderly as if they're inferior as well. You sound like a stand-up individual.

waitinthecar

*Gets in the bomb shelter*

Kyle81

Yay! Now all Sony needs to do is release some games for the PS3.

BunnyPopEmcee

@RagingAvatar: The PS3 has some good games, just not enough of them to keep you playing for long periods of time (just like the Wii). You know what the PS3 does have though? Blu-Ray! I bet you didn't know that.

Maybe by the end of the year the PS3 will have enough games to keep gamers happy without having to play through Ratchet & Clank, Resistance, Uncharted and [insert other game here] over and over again. Until then you can always watch Transformers, er... American Gangster on Blu-Ray (did you know the PS3 has Blu-Ray?!).

Hiero Glyph

@RagingAvatar: get lost odyssey if you're an rpg fan. it's more final fantasy than ff12 and 13 were/will be.

anyway. I guess lulz are in order at MS though. They are losing to an established brand. Geewiz. I gottago work out.

manjikengo

Microsoft has done a hell of a job at marketing to attempt to slew public perception on sales. They have slewed publishers as well but some people won't be fooled...like this guy:

[sarcasticgamer.com]

Let's talk about numbers, shall we? Not just any numbers mind you, but sales numbers. Sales numbers that show Microsoft sold 7.73m Xbox 360's in calendar 2007. While Sony sold 8.83m PS3s during that same period. The sources of these numbers are Microsoft and Sony and so far out on "teh interwebs," nobody's denying any of these sales numbers… but for the sake of this article, I'll spell them out and cite sources.

If you were to go back to January '07 and check out this video (at the 6:30 mark) you would see Microsoft's Robbie Bach announce they sold 10.4 million Xbox 360's as of December 31, 2006. If you read this UK GameSpot article, you'll see that they claim to have sold 17.7M Xbox 360s through December 31, 2007. Major Nelson confirmed these numbers. A simple subtraction of 10.4 million from 17.7 million tells us that 7.3 million Xbox 360's were sold in calendar 2007. Can anyone really dispute that? I don't see how.

So, we know Microsoft (according to their own numbers) sold 7.3 million Xbox 360's in calendar 2007, but if you look here you will see that Sony reported that they sold 8.83 million PS3's in that same time-frame (a reminder that Q4 '06-Q3 '07 is actually the calendar year of 2007… or January 1, 2007 - December 31, 2007).

Hatchetforce

What we really wanna know is how many RedRingsOfDeath happend in the first 14 months.

graphixmaster

It's got a ways to catch up, but I'll be buying one sometime soon. Now that it's getting some games I'm interested in and blu-ray is the standard, there's no reason not to. No backwards compatibility is a letdown, but hey, why use a 200+watt system when my 30ish watt PS2 still works...because I want to, that's why! Bring back BC!

brello