@Deathalo: Sorry, but only Killzone 2, Resistance 2, and MGS4 are likely to be system sellers. FF13 isn't likely to come out this year.

astrixzero

You're right MGS4 won't carry the ps3 through 2008 by itself, but who said it was alone? I do believe the exclusives like Haze, Killzone 2, Resistance 2, Infamous, Little Big Planet, GT5, White Knight Chronicles, FFXIII(hopefully), Home(not really a game but still important), SOCOM, The Agency, Hot Shots Golf 5, Yakuza Kenzan, Tekken 6, and Singstar will help propel the PS3 into well respected territory.

Along with the great list of multi platform games such as Prototype, Silent Hill 5, Dark Sector, Soul Calibur IV, Star Wars, GTAIV, and Fallout 3... the PS3 seems to have a pretty bright future ahead of it, idk about you, but their first party lineup seems to eclipse that of MS this year, and possibly even last year when MS had the better lineup.

Deathalo

PS3 has THE lineup this year. Anyone who says otherwise is a fanboy. Sure Gears of War 2 will be incredible, but im not really interested in ninja Gaiden, Fable 2, or Too Human (seems like a flop..dunno why...). The Wii has smash bros and mariokart I guess...The PS3 has LittleBigplanet, Metal Gear Solid 4 (been waiting for this game for what seems like an eternity), Resistance 2 (yes it will be amazing), and the technical marvel that will be Killzone 2 (we shall see how it is right?).

SolidOni_ds

I was going to buy a PS3 in 2008, but looking at the un-differentiable lineup between PS3 and 360, i have no reason to own two console when the games are already superior on the 360. That's 450$ I'll save for games. Gears of War 2, Ninja Gaiden 2, Fable 2... Wow, all sequels...

reptile168

@josh924:
I guess you're right. I've been holding off on 360 due to RROD rates, but I'd heard that Symphony of the Night might run into issues with being too large - of course that'd be XBLA.

I'm sure XBox 1 games wouldn't have the limit, and I'm glad other things don't, but... if some downloads can be that big, why not XBLA? Such restrictions seem weird on a system with a hard drive.

But not having the console, I'd only heard about the restrictions and not the exceptions to them.

fuchikoma

@fuchikoma: "I'm also enjoying the demos for things like Sega Rally, GT HD Concept, and Ninja Gaiden Sigma, which are each at least a half dozen times bigger than anything you're allowed to download on XBL."

You don't know what you're talking about, do you? Except for Xbox Live Arcade games, there doesn't seem to be any cap on the size of downloadable items on XBL. Even the downloadable version of Ninja Gaiden Black is over 5 gigs, so I don't see where you get the idea that there's a size limit for anything on XBL, not just Arcade games.

josh924

@ShirtGuyDom: Right on the money dude. Since when is MGS4 the only game Sony has for '08? I dont understand that comment by Luke at all. A few others to add to your list is SOCOM (I think it comes out this year), Hot Shots, FFXIII (maybe).

Phenom88

That was obvious bait and others have put in better arguments already so I'll just touch on my experience so far.

Did I need MGS4 to justify my PS3? No, it's not even out yet. If the 360 is the shooter console though, then PS3 is the racer console and that suits me fine. I'm already having a blast with Motorstorm, Ridge Racer 7, Burnout Paradise, (and Skate, not so much racing though...) I look forward to GT5 when the full version hits. You can also count on me getting Home, LBP, and Echochrome. I'm also enjoying the demos for things like Sega Rally, GT HD Concept, and Ninja Gaiden Sigma, which are each at least a half dozen times bigger than anything you're allowed to download on XBL. (Also "Mainichi Issho" though I won't call that a "game" exactly. More like a mascot news reader? :p)

I might get MGS4... sooner or later. Honestly I'm still in the middle of 2 - my "pile of shame" spans a decade. But even though I bought the unit to avoid losing any more features through discontinuation, I'm really happy with it now and I'm trying to force myself to fire up the Wii and PS2 again since I got it hooked up. I can see now that the idea the PS3 has no games - at least a year into it now - is as silly as the same accusation levelled at the PSP.

And for all of you who hate it and prefer another console - what a great time! They're all doing pretty well in the grand scheme of things! :D How often do you have three really strong contenders?

fuchikoma

Games that I'd buy a PS3 for include LBP and certain multi-console games if the trend starts to show them performing better on the PS3.

Games that will not, and have not, sold me on any Playstation system: the MGS series and the FF series. Consider the demographics, and you'll find that alot of the people these entrenched PS games appeal to have ALREADY BOUGHT a PS3.

You can't call a game a system-seller if it is released for more than one console, as that often does little to sway consumers on the fence.

crapsh00t

damn you comment system!

*shakes fist*

rawg

@Lackshmana: Only partially true.

The playstation group did at one time account for %60 of Sony's profits, but that's no longer the case. The Sony Computer Entertainment (SCE) division has been losing money for the company since the launch of the PS3. They just started making a slight profit last quarter, mostly due to resurging PS2 and PSP hardware/software and lower manufacturing costs on the PS3.

It's actually the phone, movie/TV, music and finance divisions that have been covering Sony's losses in electronics and gaming for the last few years. But consumer electronics is cyclical and things are starting to turn around. It won't be long before Sony's investment in premium brands like Bravia, Cybershot, Vaio, Blu-Ray and Playstation3 will start paying off.

*my original reply got eaten by the comment system so I hope this doesn't end up as a dupe*

rawg

Ps3 has better games in 2008 than Wii or 360, so what's your point?

threeve

@Lackshmana: Only partially true.

The Playstation did at one time contribute over 60% of Sony's total profits, however, the SCE division has been losing money for the company since the launch of the PS3. They only just turned a slight profit last quarter.

It's actually been profits from the phone, movie/TV, music and finance divisions of Sony that have been covering losses in the electronics and games divisions for the last few years.

However, the CE industry is cyclical so things are starting to turn around in the electronics group, especially since Sony recently dumped some money losing product lines and focused on premium brands like Bravia, Cybershot, Vaio and Blu-ray.

Once the PS3 takes off it should be contributing a healthy chunk of profits to the mother corporation as well.

rawg

@badasscat: Well put.

Buying a $400+ gaming consolde is a complex purchasing decision. It's certainly not going to be based on one game.

One thing that people tend to overlook is that the real console battle hasn't really started yet. It's still just skirmishes between early adopters.

The majority of mainstream gamers haven't upgraded to an HD platform yet. Most of them are part of the 100+ million PS2 install base and their natural inclination would be to move up to a PS3.

Sony's main challenge is to give these PS2 owners a reason to upgrade to HD. That's why the Bluray win is so important to their strategy.

MS has the tougher job of convincing them to also switch platforms. Tougher because most of them grew up on the PS2 and are likely fans of one or more PS exclusive franchises.

So the real question is not whether people will buy a PS3 to play MGS4, it's whether the 360 has any games that a PS2 owner would think are worth giving up the opportunity to play MGS4, FFXIII, KZ2, SOCOM, GT5 and GOW3.

rawg

@WillUnwise:

Actually, the Playstation is a HUGE part of Sony's profits every year. It is MUCH bigger for them than the Xbox is for Microsoft. Especially considering that Microsoft hasn't really made any money off the Xbox.

If MS lost the Xbox it wouldn't mean much business wise, but Sony without Playstation would be fucked 6 was to sunday. They would still be around, but it would be a huge loss.

That being said, I don't think it is a fear they need to have considering the still decent worldwide sales of the system this gen.

Lackshmana

Sorry, but here in Europe, the PS3 is the System everyone wants to get now. OK, everybody got a Wii already ;-)
my favorites for PS3 in 2008:

- Tekken 6
- Soul Calibur 4*
- Gran Tursimo 5 Prol. (maybe full)
- Metal Gear Solid 4 (maybe)
- Little Big Planet
- Grand Theft Auto 4*
- Resistance 2
- Killzone 2
- Echochrome!

what about:
- Prototype (looks very good. 2008?)
- Alone in the Dark 5 (2008?)
- Armored Core Foranswer (2008?)

and the BluRay Feature
and the Home-Community Feature (maybe its good, maybe not)
and the maybe/rumor PS2-Compabilty-Feature-Comeback

* OK, not only Exclusives but if you own a PS3 because of the Exclusives you can play the very good Multi-Platform-games too! Cool!

After all, i think it will be a very good Year for PS3.

z3ntn3l

@badasscat: Every successful console was driven by exclusives. Maybe in your case it's not a big deal (or in the PS3's case, it does other things that make it a 'must buy' other than games)- but overall that's historically where a console separates itself from the pack.

People came out in droves to buy the NES for SMB, Zelda

The same for the PS with Resident Evil, Gran Turismo

The N64 for Mario 64, Goldeneye

Your GTA argument is irrelevant as the PS2 was already completely dominant by the time GTA3 was out. And it was dominant because it had the heavy hitter exclusives. The DVD player was a factor but at the end of the day it was the games.

The PS3 does not have the exclusives that historically the other successful consoles had to drive it into 'must have' territory yet.

The MGS phenomenon has passed. MGS4 will be huge for enthusiasts but it won't have the cultural impact of the big system movers like SMB, Gran Turismo or Halo 3.

"What I'm saying is the games people like and the reasons people buy a system are different for everyone."

Blu-Ray isn't even remotely as important as DVD was for the PS2. When the PS2 hit, we were ready for a new video format. People aren't ready to replace DVD yet. And most people are not savvy with home networking and using their game consoles as a media center. Those are great features, but not 'must buy' features for most.

Madeira

@axia777: Those games have similar enough counterparts on my 360 don't justify me spending another $400 on a console. If they were more groundbreaking instead of tired franchises/genres, that would be a different story.

Fonzy

@axia777: FF13 won't be out until 2043, Haze is completely unremarkable, and if KZ2 is anything like KZ1, it's just going to be laughed at.

I'll give you GT5, and you might want to look into Resistance 2. Hearing good things about it.

Moonshadow101

@baked ham: Sorry for the slow reply I was having food, anyway yeah the genre is something I dislike so I am asking what people like about the game. Actually I saw a lot of people saying it was good so I offered my opinion, why is it that everyone can say 'this game will be ace' yet when someone says no it won't they get blasted? It's simply that you don't want to hear it so you complain. I can say it sucks if I want so yeah. I'll offer actual reasons if people want but they aren't asking for it. I don't say it sucks via an assumption based on the genre like you would have over the baseball game though, I say it sucks due to the over simplicity, do-everything-yourself gameplay style (just dicking around making the oddest creations is the only thing that looks fun in it so the only way to have fun is to make fun by spending ages) and the boring design (I do think it's boring). So I am no different to someone who assumes it will be good but I get bitched at cos LBP lovers want to like it so don't want to here the other side of the coin.

-Sigil-

Could baiting people be the Kotaku plan all along? Maybe...just maybe.

Masume

@Astrofox: "Oh Luke, way to bring out the "game list commenters"... or was that your plan all along?"

One might say Kotaku plays the internet gaming community almost as well as Jack Thompson. We are an easy lot to agitate...

HJungle

Thats all right, because MGS4 is not the only great game coming out for PS3 this year that is exclusive. Did somebody forget about a little game called Final Fantasy 13? I guess you did. Oh and Gran Turismo 5? Haze? KillZone 2? The list goes on. This is getting just DUMB to keep saying that PS3 is getting no good games. It is biased and slanted against PS3 for no other reason other than to be slanted and biased.

axia777

I hope a place around here rents PS3s by the time MGS4 comes out so I won't have to buy one. However I do not see that happening, might just play it at a friends house. I would buy it to sell it on ebay right after but I have already owned a PS3 I sold because it was only collecting dust.

This game is going to cost me a lot of money either way, please let there to be a port to the X360.

Muisee

Articles like this are why I only dip a toe in Kotaku from time to time now, rather than read it every other hour like I used to. A heavy anti-Sony bias, when it's clear from this side of the pond that they've turned the tide, and 360s are getting a bad rep as a fault-ridden rushed-out money grabber. With a few decent games, admittedly. But most TVs sold over here in the UK are HD ready, and people want a new toy to sit under them... and now that Blu-Ray is the only way, those PS3s look all the more appealing. It's a good time for PS3, and despite their arrogance and crazy tactics, Sony's Blu-Ray gamble looks to be paying off. Go on, admit it. It's the truth and it's glaring at you. Microsoft got the short-term win, but long-term, they will lose to PS3. Forget your blind patriotism, and embrace the future: a shiny black box of Blu-Ray gaming goodness.

Ungruntled

dude lbp will come out this year too and gt5 and killzone 2 and those are just the ones I want

demonwolf

@badasscat: Well done.

baked ham

So, question 1: Is the Blu-Ray player enough to win over gamers, since the games library doesn't justify spending $400 to those with a 360 and Wii? I would say it will if people have money to burn, and if the current Blu-Ray hype speaks loud enough. But my bet is that this represents a significant minority of gamers.

Question 2: are the games enough to win over movie junkies that will be comparing it to other future Blu-Ray players? I have no idea how the Blu-Ray-player market is going to look as far as pricing, I don't imagine it will be a cake-walk for Sony this year. I'm sure the PS3 is a good deal RIGHT NOW though.

Question 3: Will Home and the online community (and it's tech support) blossom and compete with Live? This is huge for the gamers IMO. Possibly the real crux of "2008: the year of the PS3." It will be a challenge competing with the programming, support, and already thriving community that Microsoft has.

I'm very skeptical for 2008, but I hope they succeed. If they do rise to the challenge, 2009 has a real chance.

Fonzy

I don't really believe people buy consoles for exclusive games. I never have. Going back to the PS2, people said "oh, everybody bought it for GTA3". Which would make sense, if there weren't about 120 million PS2's out there and only 7 million copies of GTA3. Ditto for the other games in that series. The top selling game for the system (San Andreas) was purchased by less than 10% of those that owned one.

The same is true for every other system and its biggest seller. They're all really "niche" titles by definition. None are owned by a majority of system owners. Most "million sellers" are owned by a tiny fraction of system owners.

I'm not saying individual titles don't convince people to buy systems. What I'm saying is the games people like and the reasons people buy a system are different for everyone. One person might buy a PS3 for MGS4, another for Little Big Planet, another for Blu-Ray movies, another for a combination of things.

In other words, pretty much *every* game is a "system seller" for someone. A system doesn't need one huge game to sell systems; it needs a lot of little games, a few bigger games, maybe an extra feature or two and some momentum. The PS3 has all that right now.

badasscat

"Most improved" isn't a bad award. Still needs more games though. I think Wii is now officially the worst value in gaming (unless you buy a 360 without a warranty, for any price)

supercrap

@ShirtGuyDom:

The problem is that games like those, with the exception of GT Prologue maybe, aren't really system sellers.
MAYBE one of them will turn out to be the next Gears of War or Bioshock...but otherwise, what you have there is nothing more than a solid list of games (apparently, as none of them are out yet)
It's like if I listed Okami Wii, Zack & Wiki and No More Heros as system sellers for the Wii...you'd look at me like I'm crazy.
None of those PS3 (or Wii) games are going to push a considerable amount of people over the edge to buy a PS3.

Also, I still say LBP will probably flop. I just don't see how such a cutesy game will sell to the average PS3 owner.

Mr. Fap☆Fap!

I hate the argument that Sony ONLY has MGS4 coming out in 2008 and it's not enough to move consoles alone. There's tons and tons of people with PS2's who are fully intending to upgrade hardware. When they get an HDtv and are ready to buy a system, PS3 will be a pretty easy decision.

1. Subtracting the cost of a stand alone Blu-ray player from the price of a PS3 will make the price reasonable when compared to the competition.
2. Buying a PS3 doesn't stop you from buying games besides MGS4. Even if you don't like the other exclusives, what's wrong with the multi-platform games, which are starting to be the norm?
3. RROD
4. PS3 (through firmware updates, Dual Shock 3, Home, etc.) will be improved by the time Santy Claus and Hannakuh Harry get off their lazy asses.

Amerijapoxicano

It really amuses me any time people start spouting game lists. Especially since 9 times out of 10, they're niche titles that are not system sellers. GT would be a system seller if they could ever finished the god damned thing, as would FFXIII (God damnit square develop new IP for once. This time... the summons will be MOTORCYCLES! YES! GENIUS!). But saying that Metal Gear Solid 4 or Disgaea 3 will move consoles like the flash is just silly. They will both be amazing games, probably better than many in the generation, but that doesn't sell consoles.

For example. Halo 3? Console mover, even though I think it's an average game at best. One of my favorite games on the 360 so far is Viva Pinata, but it doesn't move consoles. Thats just the way it is.

When discussing console moving games, you really need to think about what the masses wants to buy, not the hardcore. Most of the hardcore will already purchase all of a generation's consoles, they don't need a massive AAA title to nudge them.

Knight

@-Sigil-: OK. Sorry to enter this thing, but I feel I ... well not that I must, but just that I want to put something in. You make it sound like the very idea of the game, the genre itself, the type of game, etc. are all things in which you have no interest. Yet you say the game "sucks" and ask why people would be interested in it. If it's not your type of game, that's fine, but there's no need to say a game sucks if you've never played it, just because the very idea of the game doesn't fit in with your idea of fun. I mean, I don't like baseball videogames, but I'm not about to say any of them suck, especially without having played them, just because the idea of a baseball videogame doesn't appeal to me. Furthermore, I wouldn't question why anybody would be interested in it, because I understand that the reason I'm not attracted to MLB The Show 2008 is because I don't like baseball games, and that anybody who is attracted to that game would, likely, fit into the peramaters of someone who likes a good baseball game.

baked ham

@mast3r_blast3r: HOME is not a game you retard.

KirbyMorph

@NotAZombie: GT5, LPB, and Resistance 2...what do I win? :o)

Kj719

"(anyone who thinks MGS4 can carry 2008 on its own is dreaming)"

GTA IV, WKS, Disgaea 3, Resistance 2, HOME and Killzone 2 say hi.

mast3r_blast3r

@Seiven: If it is going to be the year of the PS3, then name three big name games that are coming out in '08 and don't use MGS4 because it's not going to sell that well even though I think it will be fantastic.

NotAZombie

2008 will be the year of the PS3...I was converted before the changing of tides and am becoming more and more pleased with SCEA everyday...I don't know how all you day one adopters stayed patient this long.

Seiven

@pylon_trooper: It's a game and I've played enough to know what to expect, not playing it didn't stop me from knowing exactly what I was going to get from Assassin's creed. It plays every bit as I expected and I wasn't wrong in assuming what I saw was what I was going to get. Feel is a small part of a game as feel is just a matter of sensitivity and immersion but if I don't care for what I'm being immersed in I won't like it. Why don't I just go out and buy every MMO in the world? Because I know based on my tastes that I'd prefer a fighting game. RPG's are my favourite genre though (not MMO's) so I know I'd prefer a good RPG over a good fighting game.

It's obvious that you're getting on at the fact that I haven't played a similar game with that question but I don't have to. What made you pick your console if you didn't know how the others would play? What makes you buy a game when it's the first of it's kind? It's all down to taste and judgement. You can't buy anything without the assumption that it was more worth your money than other titles on sale so you've done the same judgement to choose what games you got for your console.

-Sigil-

@-Sigil-:

Fair enough. But, it seems a little bit of a stretch to compare the rationale of suggesting you already know the gameplay "feel" of LBP to something like GT4, where we know what a game like GT4 provides, gameplay-wise.

Are you a fan of anything similar to LBP? I'm just curious.

pylon_trooper

Does Plunkett know what the hell he's talking about? I mean if MGS 4 is the goddam game of the year and blows minds, just like every single MGS game has, I'm pretty sure it can move enough systems in one year to be significant enough. After all, you can barely count with 2 hands the amount of installed base expanding exclusives the ps3 has. Exclusives are that much more important with so many more multiplatform games, especially GTA IV.

Gagamus

@ Prodigys Flawless:
FFXIII coming out in 2010 is NOT confirmed. Your being to nice, 2012........Now were talking! ENd Of ThE WoRlD Baby! WoOt! Anyway, Sony is going to A O.K.

ShinobiFist(PSN-XBL)

@pylon_trooper: Not really, it's no different to if I didn't like racing games and I said 'you know what this GT4 is not my taste'. I don't like LBP cos the core design of the gameplay is based around a sandbox design which I believe offers too little challenge. It requires you to do all the work mostly. And the pre-programmed levels I saw weren't very interesting.

But again, my opinion.

-Sigil-

@-Sigil-:

That's a bit of a big call. Your opinion, though.

pylon_trooper

Too bad I'm still not interested in the PS3. I may or may not become interested after we see another price drop, some games actually worth getting and a slimmer and less ugly PS3. So...maybe a year from now?

Booji-Boy

@Kyle81: No but I'm smart enough to know how a game plays when I see someone fucking play it. You ever seen a fighting game and said 'I'll leave it'. You know how ANYONE picks what games they want to buy? It's not by the friggin lottery, it's by using your intuition and your knowledge of games, plus what you see, hear and read on the game to judge if it is to your taste. To say it's just a little lame game where there's not much to do except piss around is my opinion so I'll express that as I wish.

-Sigil-

@Belain: didnt you hear, FFXIII has been delayed till spring of 2010, two thousand fucking ten, shit. just what sony needed, another delay to a system seller.

MGS4 wont be enough, but we do have others like LBB,resistance 2,and many others to sell systems.

Prodigys Flawless

Banging On...

A random question to all of you that know so much about the Sony and Microsoft respective businesses. Why is it that you forget that Sony is much more than the PS3 and Microsoft is much more than the XBox 360?

I am about 100% sure that if Sony ditched the PS3 tomorrow (or Microsoft the XBox 360) that it would not lead to the breaking up and utter death of the whole company (in fact, the share price might even go up, like what Toshiba's did after the HD-DVD debac')

WillUnwise

@-Sigil-: You played the game? A game which hasn't even entered alpha state? Time machine?

Kyle81

I'll just add that here in Australia, as Luke can tell you, the average person LOVES his home theater.

People will get a loan for a house, car and big screen tv... it's practically the Australian dream.

What I have noticed is people have started asking about Bluray. Bluray is on display at every big hi-fi store and the news about HD-DVD's death has raised the issue in the minds of consumers.

I expect a lot of Bluray players/PS3's will sell here this year. Australians are very tech hungry and will want to actually use the 1080p they paid for.

Astrofox

Why does everyone like LBP? Sucks. But anyway to get on topic good for Sony, HD-DVD was clearly inferior and Blu-ray was the way to go. I hope sales of Blu-ray shoot up so it gets cheaper and stuff. It sucks paying around £25 for one blu-ray.

-Sigil-

@Belain: I'm Ron Burgandy?
He's making a sequel too, I hear. Woo!

We all know about the games coming. I'm more excited about the prospect of developers feeling more comfortable to develop for the PS3 since the fears of Sony going under while in the middle of game production are slightly less.
I honestly think that was the business side of the reason why developers weren't attacking the Cell processors. Tech geeks LOVE new shit, they wouldn't be scared to try coding for a new, more powerful processor no matter how hard it was. It was the head honchos that were scared that Sony, in an earlier press release, flat out said they are putting almost all their eggs in PS3's basket. And with PS3 bombing up to lately, why would any company put any resources towards a possibly failing company.

Don't got sauce for quote, I've got 3 years worth of Fortune I am NOT digging through. =P

Setzer IIDX

These comments sections are brilliant. Many thanks to the kotaku editors for repeatedly keeping me chuckling by baiting the poor little fanbois on all sides.

NecronomiconUK

A short note about HD.

HD makes people look really ugly. Standard Def hides all shame.

WillUnwise

@Belain: Movie attach rate is fine and all, but if you want good games for your system, your system owners better be buying games. Movie attach rate isn't going to do anything except put money in the Blu-Ray camp's pocket, which again is fine, but doesn't do anything to expand the PS3's status as a gaming console.

aphex242

@ShirtGuyDom: Solid list of games there, but I'm skeptical that those will all release this year. 2-3 of those I can see getting bumped to 2009 easily.

Captain Impulse

@Father ColdCuts: I love lamp!

But seriously, a huge portion of HD TV buyers are going to migrate to the PS3 for their HD content. Its the best and cheapest blu ray player out there, and it plays games to boot. Sony has really changed the model on the console market. It use to be attach rate of games was all that mattered because of license fees, but the realization for the PS3 is that movie attach rate is much more important. While the fee is lower, the attach rate is significantly higher then video games (for any console).

Belain

@lionkitten: I think it is Mario. Metal Gear is absolutely Mario.

Whatever that means... know it for truth!

baked ham

@MrPerson: And don't forget to mention that MS have those two worthwhile exclusives Alan Wake and Fable 2, right? That should count for something.

cheeses

The PSP and PS3 seem like a great tag-team in 2008.

pylon_trooper

@ Luke Plunkett:

Do you really think MGS4 is the only exclusive heavy-hitter the PS3 has coming this year?

-Little Big Planet
-Haze (Timed, I know)
-Killzone 2
-Resistance 2
-GT 5 Prologue (Maybe GT 5 proper? I can dream.)
-The Agency

And that's not mentioning multiplatform titles, which are coming into their own on the PS3 nowadays.

That also isn't counting PS3 features, like Home and in-game XMB, which will give the PS3 more to cheer about.

ShirtGuyDom

@Kyle81: meh. Whenever Fahey posts, he's sanrky about 360. It's a pretty balanced site, this kotaku, IMHO.

lionkitten

@jfx316: I dunno. I never really saw the appeal. I have both consoles and won't buy it for either. I just don't get it. But my point is 3.6 million in sales worldwide for the previous installment doesn't equal 3 million consoles sold now, does it? i just mean that MGS on its own isn't going to move more than 50-80k in consoles worldwide. Now that COMBINED with some other stuff, like Blu-Ray and LBP and stuff might, but not alone.

lionkitten

The fanboys crawl out of their blanket forts, squinting into the sunlight, and shake raised fists at Luke Plunkett because we all know the internet is serious goddamned business.

P.S. Blanket forts kick ass.

Asper

@lionkitten: by that thinking, why are 360 owners creaming their jeans to get it on their system?

i love how MGS4 has somehow turned into two different games: the "no way it can turn a profit/turn around a system" PS3 game and the "stupid if they don't port it and make money" 360 "game."

jfx316

@incredibilistic: This is the first news post ive seen since I started coming here that is blatently anti-Sony. Looks like this place is just another "We are American, we are #1. MS is American, they should be #1" website.

Anyways good job Sony, proving once again they know what the hell they are doing in the face of all the nay sayers.

Swarm19

@incredibilistic: It's Luke. Whenever an article he posts is about Sony, he has to have a snarky comment about it.

Kyle81

AND I JUST CAN'T HIDE IT!

AND I'M ABOUT TO LOSE CONTROL AND I THINK I LIKE IT!

I LIKE IT!

Seriously though, Sony is going to have to work like a goddamn mule if they want to make ANY kind of significance in 2008. MGS4 is nice, but it's not enough. Needs moar exlusives.

BD

Wow. Sony can't even catch a break when it's doing something good.

Once again Kotaku seems to be wearing its "I Loath Sony" whenever (seemingly) anyone of the writers sits down in front of a keyboard.

OF COURSE SONY'S HAPPY. Don't forget your cape on your way out the door Captain Obvious. This is something they've been waiting on ever since they first announced the Blu-ray drive would be in the PS3. Wouldn't you be a little stoked about winning an entire format war so that your company could use the defeated format as coasters at the celebration party?

As for MGS4 carrying the PS3 by itself; I guess Sony doesn't have ANY other games coming out this year.

incredibilistic

Well its a good thing MGS4 isnt the only game coming out this year for PS3 then huh Luke?

I hope Halo 3 can carry 360 through another year.

Swarm19

@quen: I bought Paprika on Blu-ray. It looks fah-nomenal.

cheeses

I'd like to add, what makes the PS3 essential for me is the fact that Team Ico have something in the works.

Bernard McGraw

What Microsoft will have to do is to keep driving down the price of the 360. Now that the PS3 has survived long enough to get to a decent price point, it's definitely a contender, lame backwards compatibility or no. Releasing a Blu-Ray drive for it is a necessity, too.

What the 360 has as a minor disadvantage, is that a lot of its heavy hitters can be played on a relatively decent PC. I just got a new computer, and while it doesn't have an amazing amount of power, it can run most of the games I'd want for the 360 anyway... So now I'm less likely to get one.

MrPerson

btw your shop job is covering up my manly chesticle hairs and my gold chain with the spinnin' ps logo with diamonds in the middle. Yea, feel bad Luke.

JackTretton

MGS3 sold 3.6 million copies worldwide on the most popular platform of all time. While I know there are some people waiting for it to make the leap, Luke's right. There's no way that MGS4 alone makes a huge difference. It's too offbeat and quirky to be the mass hit some would have us think. I'd argue that among the hardcore, it'll sell some consoles, but it's not Guitar Hero or Mario.

lionkitten

Now Luke, you as well as we'll know that MGS4 is not the only worthwhile PS3 game getting released in 2008. When old Jack's refers to "widely-anticipated games" I suspect he meant things like LBP, Killzone2, Resistance2, TeamIco's game, GT5, Haze, Infamous, Heavy Rain, Tekken 6 and the like. See, widely-anticipated.

cheeses

@njhardcoreguy: I personally have a hard time really caring about any of those apart from MGS4. I haven't really researched Little Big Planet or Haze, and GTA4's on the 360 as well anyway. I do really hope that White Knight Story will come out though, ever. But MGS4's the only game of the bunch that I think would really appeal to a crowd that doesn't already have a PS3.

Bernard McGraw

@PaddyStardust: I won't get a PS3 for MGS4. I've been vaguely considering getting one for RE5 and/or for Paprika on Blu-ray, kind of want more than one film to watch before I get one though... if and when I do buy one I would expect I'll be getting MGS4 as well, but it isn't really a reason for me to get one. Obviously I'm just one person but regardless, I suspect that 'everybody' is overstated.

I don't think PS3 really has a shortage of games in 2008 though. I mean there's GTA4 right? And there's like a bazillion other games in development. Along with GTA4 most of them are cross-platform, but that's to be expected and doesn't really matter so much, IMO. Even if PS3 has mostly the same games as 360, even if there are a couple more exclusives on 360, as long as PS3 has Blu-ray advantage and the reliability advantage and (at least outside the US) the brand name advantage, it'll probably pull ahead.

quen

People have already covered MGS4 carrying the PS3 debate in this topic, so all I will say is that for me I could get MGS4 and never have any other PS3 game and still be happy enough.

Cartman86

@Belain: Loud Noises!

Ha ha,

I can see more on the horizon than MGS4! Open your eyes Luke!

Father ColdCuts

Oh Luke, way to bring out the "game list commenters"... or was that your plan all along?

Sony has done some good work lately, you could almost say they have turned their fortune around.

The PS3 will look like a good buy to many people this year.

Astrofox

Haze and Final Fantasy will NOT be released this year, and White Knight is iffy! Gran Turismo Prologue is getting released with like 50 cars and a handful of tracks for $40. As for the full game, no release date has been set!

ghrnvf

ME SO SMART

JackTretton

MGS4 is just part of the equation. This has been said a million times before, but obviously it needs to be said again. MGS4, Little Big Planet, Haze, Gran Turismo, Grand Theft Auto, Home integration, Resistance 2. This is obviously what Jack is talking about.

njhardcoreguy

@ jun581:
All I could say is this......Word.

ShinobiFist(PSN-XBL)

I'm definitely going to be getting Gran Turismo 5 Prologue, MGS 4, Little Big Planet, and White Knight Story if it's out this year.

baked ham

@PaddyStardust: 2008 will probably be the year I buy a PS3, but it won't be for MGS4. LittleBigPlanet I will buy, but I don't think it will make it out this year, sadly.

Captain Impulse

I would argue theres more then MGS4 for 08. Resistance 2, Killzone, LBG, Home, Haze, White knight story, FF13 all confirmed or tentative for 08. I am however, just as excited about getting anchorman on blu ray then any game.

Belain

@LUKE PLUNKETT: "anyone who thinks MGS4 can carry 2008 on its own is dreaming".
well on its own...probably not, but it's gonna carry a whole lot.

jun581

Doesnt everyone say that they'll get a PS3 for MGS4? Not to mention LitteBig getting a lot of love too.

PaddyStardust

I don't know how they did it. But it seemed to work on me.

Bernard McGraw

@astrixzero: True, but you can't base a systems success on Uber big titles alone, you have to have a mix and a variety of really good games, and a lot of them, especially exclusives. The point I was trying to make is, with all the great PS3 games coming out this year, all the weight will not be on a few big titles alone, therefore the PS3 will become more appealing to more people.

-DH

Deathalo

@NotAZombie: 3 games, eh?

Resistance 2

Little Big Planet

Haze.

Just to name a few :)

xMaverick