I really don't know about going to third person................We'll see how it turns out though.

Gagamus

happy happy joy joy red faction 3 might not suck ass like red faction 2 but will instead kick ass like red faction 1. please volition let this be so.. .

DankPanties

@BANGBANGBLAH
Well let me ask you this - where did all cover systems before Gears get inspired from? Point is, it's a system that's been used enough times independant of any hyped up game like Gears to point the "copy" finger at. Sure you can connect that Gears sold well so developers would want to get in on the cover action. However, is it reasonable to say ALL games are copying Gears?

Portal came out after Prey and they both use a portal concept, but no one would dream of saying Portal copied Prey. Just because a game used a feature previousley doesn't mean that all games after it are coyping that game; just because it's the easies possibility doesn't make it a fact.

If the gameplay at large was indicative of Gears, you'd have more of a case. Red Faction 3 only has this one feature in common, so I just don't see the 'this is fact' mentallity. Plausible? I guess. Fact? Not in the least.

Garro

The final boss in Red Faction 3 was awesome. You go into the guy's penthouse office and the guy jumps in a mechsuit and starts shooting missiles at you. You try to hide behind the wall but it gets blown away until there's only a small metal pillar to hide behind. That was awesome.

Sintariot

3rd Person? WTF?

Sintariot

@Fyren: +2 for remember their hyped marketing bull about fully destructable environments!!! I remember the dev talk with RF1 that mentioned just firing rocket after rocket to get to the end of a level by blowing a straight hole through everything.

They were dirty liars then, but the game was still fun, and I am kinda jazzed about this one.

Belain

@Garro: Well, right. But games like Red Faction aren't taking inspiration from Killswitch and Syphon Filter. They're taking the concept from Gears. I agree with you, but popular opinion typically wins out, and Gears is definitely owning the limelight when in comes to third person shooters as of late.

bangbangblah

@SavageSalad:
I remember when "Black" flaunted that as its feature. And wow what a disappointment that was.

Terrorsaur.

@Samuraidino: How do you figure Gears is responsible for "popularising" a system you yourself admit has been around in plenty of games for years. Second of all, define "increased dramatically." Besides R6 Vegas, RF 3, and Army of Two, what else has there been.

Garro

Okay, so:
A. Gears becomes one of the first major next gen titles to have been released and gets a ridiculous amount of hype thanks to Cliffy B and his 'Unreal' history with games.
B. The resulting lack of Next Gen games (and systems) forces a significantly larger amount of sales than there should have been.
C. And because it's made such a massive amount of money, it's getting credit for a game mechanic that's been around for quite a bit longer than the game itself....

It just ain't right....

CheckersMcGavern

@Garro: It may not be the first game to incorporate it,but its certainly the one thats responsible for popularising it.Since it appeared in gears the amount of games boasting a "full cover system" has increased dramatically.

Hell i can throw in the game second sight from many moons ago to the list of games that had a cover system before gears,but then my crappy little joke would be made much more crappy (red sight or second faction just doesnt have the same ring to it don't you think?)

Samuraidino

@Garro: Here Here! QFT!

Personally, I'm not a fan of FPSs on consoles at all, 3rd person shooters feel more natural (just my opinion), so this sounds like a great move.

Arttemis

@DigiMish:
@magic_envelope:
@whiptcracker:
@-Sigil-:
@HurricaneDave:
@Samuraidino:

Did the six of you just start playing video games when Gears came out? Seriousley. Gears wasn't the first game with cover, and you all KNOW that if it wasn't so hyped up it would only be renowned as a mediocre game with a good mutliplayer, and even that's debatable by a lot of people (for lack of game modes).

It's like what Pylon_Trooper said, "...from Gears?! Come on, the Syphon Filter series and a slew of shooters from the PS2 were third-person. Kill.Switch was an underrated little game, where we saw the cover/blindfire concept used effectively.
Syphon Filter: Dark Mirror on PSP makes a compelling arguement, as do the console versions of SOCOM"

Garro

Nice.
I loved the original (on the pc), well... it was a mixed bag... I loved the concept, the geo-mod, the guns, basically most of it.... hated the fact that so little of it was spent in the mine (hated it with a passion, since the mine was what Red Faction was, really, all about (not really, i suppose, but anyone who likes this game should know what im talking about.)

Glad to hear that its returning to the mine routes. Can't say I cared too much for RF2. Lets hope it is mostly in environments akin to the best part of RF (the beggining).

Well see how the third-person goes. Cant say im sad for it (nor am i glad)... its not what i was expecting. (hope you can carry more thebn 2-3guns. Unrealistic? yes. is hammerspace awesome? certainly. Its a videogame.

I still want to see a game that can do cover properly in the first-person. I can envision it; but I have a feeling to make it excellent you would need some crazy animation. (think Uncharted; but more organic (I did only play the demo at my buddy's so i may not be being fair. It wasnt what i was imaginig, though. It did not feel as realistic as i thought it would have.

Another thought: they should remake the first one on the Wii (with more mine-age) and allow for balence board dodge support (like police 911, in the arcade).
That would be killer.

Yeah, also, the destruction works well with the cover.

Isnt that what they are doing for gta4, also?

SadSadSamus

@BornToFlail:

It seems like a great move to me. You can't hide forever.

pylon_trooper

aaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhnnnnnnnnnn just a Killzone 2 knock-off. Note the Guerrilla.

Jagzthebest

too true, which is why i suggest we dub it

'Red Faction: Gears of Gears 2'

very nice...

magic_envelope

Much effort implemented in a full cover system in a game that hinges on completely destroying everything that looks like cover.... hmmm.

BornToFlail

thats pretty cool. i had a fairly good time playing the second game on PS2, but i might be mistaking a good single player for the game having lance hendrickson as a voice actor

mossberg

...from Gears?! Come on, the Syphon Filter series and a slew of shooters from the PS2 were third-person. Kill.Switch was an underrated little game, where we saw the cover/blindfire concept used effectively.

Syphon Filter: Dark Mirror on PSP makes a compelling arguement, as do the console versions of SOCOM.

pylon_trooper

@Witzbold:
It must be, I've also noticed the trend. Eh, what can I say? People learn from Gears of War.

DigiMish

Really worried with the 3rd person, hopefully it still turns out alright.

el_rezzo

I hope they go back to what made the first RE special. Third person, cover, and an open world sounds like a radical shift but, who knows. Maybe they'll be geniouses with contextual events. Either way, I'm probably going to buy this.

For all of you making dumbass Gears of War jokes, cover systems have been in place long before Gears came around.

Garro

Hmmm, better hardware plus Geomod. Might actually work this time.

JonnyPark

Personally if the geomod type of engine / gameplay is still kept in mind for the series Id much rather have a FPV so I can properly see what Im doing, instead of a TPV.

Witzbold

When I first played Gears, all I could think about was how cool it would be with destroyable terrain. Think about it, you can shoot someone through their cover, given enough time....

Consider me excited.

Lono

@Ollivander:

My thoughts exactly! I'm tired of the FPS games. I want some more diversity for once. 3rd person Red Faction sounds like a nice change up for once.

Datalock

It's a shame Red Faction 2 is completely different to Red Faction 1 and had absolutely nothing to do with the original except the name. The Multiplayer was a blast though, I loved making little tunnels.

Winterbringer

3rd person? Meh. What a crazy move. The first Red Faction did it for me with a split-screen multiplayer level with 2 opposing bases, where you could fire rockets at about 85% from the ground (i.e. near vertical) and they would come back down in a barrage at your opponent's base. This made for some crazily tactical gaming. In the second one, the same tactic did not work as they would hit a "solid sky" and not come down. Shame.

I will always prefer 1st person games to 3rd person as they feel more "real". Disappointed with this approach, am I.

Ungruntled

Red Faction... Huh... I missed this game but i sorta not liking that its a 3rd person perspective.

MXs219

@TheCleaningGuy: Now that I've read the comments, I feel stupid.

TheCleaningGuy

Wait.
Wasn't this announced in game informer, like a week ago?
Because it was in mine, the one with the Alien game on the cover.

TheCleaningGuy

@Kilbe

Yeah, it would've made me happier. But you made me sad...

SavageSalad

Sweet. Let's just hope it's more like the first game than the second.

NoFunShogun

Factions Of War anyone?Or Gears of Red?

Meh,either way i cant wait.I loved the first one (meh to the second one in everything bar multiplayer)

Samuraidino

@NotAZombie: Negative, only the one you see above is real. I'm pretty sure that was already covered in another post a couple days ago. But hey, I could be wrong. It's a shame they moved to third person, I was part of a Red Faction community for the PC for a good 5 years (it's still running now, but hardly any of us play the game itself anymore). We were looking forward to getting everyone back together in Red Fation: Guerrilla, but I guess that won't be happening now since it's not an FPS.

Libo

Please gods of gaming, let it use DMM.

Recoil

I'm just happy Volition is handling it. RF2 was fun diversion but its was nothing like the original.

Now I just wish to hell they'd do Freespace 3

Cell9song

@whiptcracker: HAHA ok ok, you got me there!

Kilbe

Oops, I meant DigDug

whiptcracker

@Kilbe: What, you didn't like Digger?

whiptcracker

So the screenshots were real? Best. Game. Ever.

NotAZombie

@SavageSalad: I have played five games since November that fall into that category, but fun is subjective. Also, I didn't overtly state that a game should have all three but rather was implying any of those above digging in the dirt would be a better choice for me. Perhaps an "or" instead of an "and" would have made you happier? Doubtful.

Kilbe

I was checking out the screens in the issues of Game Informer I just got in the mail. It looks like they are returning to the concept from the first game: Mars Mining Facility. Which is awesome and in no way related to Gears of War.

I really hope they go all out in this game and make everything destructible. Or at least mostly everything....

CheckersMcGavern

First Red faction was awesome, Second was a huge disappointment (the only reason I played the whole thing was because you could play on PS2 with keyboard/mouse.

And now they are going 3rd person? They better squeeze every bit of power out of these systems for the geo-mod if they want to save this one. Breaking down a wall in real time with a hammer might make me play it.

kuzuboshii

Someone tell Luke to update his post about the supposedly 'fake' screenshots.

Nosignalinput

@Kilbe:

"I guess I'd rather have a compelling story, characters and fun gameplay then being able to dig a hole in the dirt."

How often to you get compelling story, characters and fun gameplay all in one game? How many games have you played, five?

SavageSalad

Third Person is the new First Person.

Witzbold

@Ricehead: Outside, for real, sure, give me a good mud hole any day!

Kilbe

@HurricaneDave: My thoughts exactly. I sure hope not. Originality, people!

bangbangblah

@Kilbe: What's NOT fun about digging hole in the ground?!? :D

Ricehead

Destructible environments are still extremely rare. They introduced the real thing on Red Faction years ago and they are just now bringing it back?

SavageSalad

@Luke Plunkett: I knew about this four years ago. I saw a little piece of paper somewhere and on it was scribed "Red Faction 3". It's just I kept it secret. You couldn't keep it to yourself. Next time they have stuff to divulge, they'll do it to me, the 'secret keeper'.

TearsandScreams

Red Faction games have always been less than fun in my opinion. I guess I'd rather have a compelling story, characters and fun gameplay then being able to dig a hole in the dirt.

Kilbe

2009 is to far away for me to get excited, when it comes to this game anyway.

Irenicus-the one and only

How good of them to announce a game we've known about for a week now.

Luke Plunkett

Being able to blow up cover and the terrain around it sounds cool to me, and with so many FPS games I'm glad to see another shooter go third person.

Hopefully they'll be able to ad more to the game so that it doesn't feel like a Gears clone.

whiptcracker

@Ockeroid: LOL. Very true, very true.

exkon

The only thing I remember about the first Red Faction was the jailbreak sequence, where you had NPCs yelling that ridiculous "RRRRREEEEEEDDDD FACTION!" revolutionary war cry.

StocDred

Hells to the yeah...I have very fond memories of RF 2 mulitplayer :)

Skitzoap

@Ollivander: I'm the other way, I lost interest when I read it was going to be a large world objective-based third person affair. Because honestly, I'm more tired of those than I am of FPS games.

Maldron

I never liked the old ones but this one might be good since next gen tech is a lot better so if they really flesh out the geometric destruction otherwise it'll be a little bit of a wasted oppertunity. The new cover system seems to be being adopted by a few games nowadays. I guess Gears did sell a lot though.

-Sigil-

"With a new 3rd person perspective, a full cover system"

What the hell is a cover system useful for when the whole point of the game is that you can blow through the scenery?

Ockeroid

As long as they keep that bad ass geo-engine or whatever they called it, this game will be awesome.

Also, the "full-cover" system bothers me..I mean in general..how the hell can you still see enemies when you're behind cover!?

exkon

@Joeshie: Yea, you cannot imagine the disappointment when the walls started to show a white cartilage and just stopped breaking. A bridge collapse here and there was neat, but what a disappointing engine. I didn't even bother to try the second one.

Fyren

I remember when my friend got the demo for Red Faction 1 on his PC Gamer demo disk... we played that demo for hours... it was amazing. We kept blowing up that bridge the tank goes over... it was mind blowing.

KingDavid73

Cool, looking forward to this

LittleBigPlaneteer

I'm glad it's third person now. I'm getting a little burnt out on First person.

Ollivander

ya i just got my issue of GI yesterday, im not too excited about this game but Aliens looks really cool

TheNocturnalSun

Ehh, I was never really that impressed with the Red Faction games anyways.

Joeshie

So they are going to try to give it the Gears of War treatment.

HurricaneDave

I just want to know. Will I get a real Geo-Mod this time.??

Like shoot 1000 rockets to reach china and whatnot.

Fyren

I can't wait, Red Faction has alway's been one of my TOP favorite shooters.

emerio