I don't even own a Wii, but Christ in a chicken basket, that censoring is retarded. Wtf isn'y Japan getting it uncensored aswell? That makes no goddamn sense. What was the last game in Japan that was censored compared to the US version? RE4 is the only one that I can think of, and at least it was just one type of censoring and not applied to the whole damn game (decapitations via chainsaw wielders).

Toprem

@Striderhayasa: With how much you're complaining about the graphics it truly makes me happy to be a gamer that enjoys his games for plot first, gameplay second, and graphics way last. Graphics are fine and all, but they don't make good games. You polish a turd, and it's still a turd.

That said, I'm LOVING NMH.

Akanubon

@Ashurahori: Killer 7 was flat shaded with minimal textures but that's what it was supposed to be. the textures that were used in the game are better than NMH. But the 3D engine in Killer 7 was cleaner, with a better framerate, better animation.

@Heiae: go back and look at Turok 2 in 640x480. check out the 3D engine. Look at Perfect Dark in 640x480. it looks better than NMH. Better lighting, better effects, better textures.

Look, I'm not trying to bullshit here. I was as shocked/disappointed as a person could be. But when I started throwing in games and comparing them, I couldn't lie to myself because I wanted to shout to the world about how great it is across the board. It is what it is. I like the writing and the characters but the 3D engine in NMH is one of the worse I've seen in recent memory. I'm not going to lie to myself because I'm dying for a 3rd party killer app on a console that hasn't quite delivered on the 3rd party end. Do the comparisons yourself. I did and I stand by my statement.

Striderhayasa

@JeffPaine: There is a very clear and awesome reason for that "camera" move. (Spoilers follow for those that haven't done this part) As Travis beheads her, the next shot is a first-person perspective through the eyes of Speed Buster's disembodied head as it falls to the ground looking at Travis and her own body. I'm sorry you missed out on that cinematic touch so far.
Suda 51 has snuck a lot of brilliance into this game, while keeping it goofy and fun.

discipleofjamzy

"Extraordinary...The moment I've been waiting for...The name...Holy Sword...is now yours..."

"You're joking right? I don't care about titles or power, I just want to be number one"

"You....dumbass...Number One...itself...is...a...title..."

"I'll show you for contradicting me!"

Kirbytheslayer: Thinks AAA is a great term

@n/a: I do hope the poor sales in Japan kinda teaches Suda51 to not back pedal on things, make modifications to the game that he could very well just fight for.

Can we learn something here from Rockstar's experience? They had a choice of either editing the content of GTA:SA to preserve an M rating from the ESRB, or make no changes and take an AO rating. Knowing full well that the AO rating would automatically result in reduced sales, perhaps by half, they (eventually) made the edits and took the M.

I don't know what the Japanese version of NMH was rated, but if I recall correctly, CERO Z is equivalent in age-range to ESRB AO, and CERO D is equivalent in age-range to ESRB M. I assume Suda51 went for the D (if that's in fact what NMH is rated in Japan) because Z wouldn't sell as well. Cultural differences dictate differences between what is acceptable at M-level in North America, and what is acceptable at D-level in Japan. For example, generally Europe is less tolerant of violence and more tolerant of sexual content than the United States. And sales dictate whether or not the game is considered successful, which affects the ability of the developer to get funding for future game productions.

Now, whenever someone (like JT) claims that video games are responsible for teen violence, &c, Kotakuites respond by saying that it's up to the parents to know what the games is rated and prevent their underage kids from playing games inappropriate to their level of maturity. Fair enough. But if the ratings are to have any meaning, they must reflect the actual content of the game. And that content has to be "tame" enough that the game actually sells enough to make a profit. The upshot is that if you support a standardized games rating system (which you have to in order to counter the JT's of this world), and you want developers to be able to continue to produce games (because they're able to turn a profit), you're going to have to accept the need for editing of content. There's really no way around it. It's just the same calculation that movie producers have to make in order to keep an R rating rather than NC-17, and for the same reasons.

m1lkb0ne

After seeing this I immediately went in search of a region-free way to mod my Wii. Unfortunately there are no guarantees as each game seems to be different and is software updated. But once they confirm No More Heroes NTSC works on a PAL Wii using whatever method - I'm there! With an imported version from America of course, piracy is bad bad bad.

NunianVonFuch

Well...that looked like crap in both hemispheres.

justhesh

@Witzbold: Damn man i know it was toned down but they edit the shit out of this iam so sorry Witz that you had to deal with a clean version of the game. Let me know if you ever chip yours to play foreign games and i will get you a good copy of NMH.

MURDERFACE

i'm glad america is a bastion for violent games.

artistic freedom!

let's all look forward to the day when killing only happens virtually! :)

mentally_unstable

Awesome. I just decided to buy this game.

OrionTheSmiter

@Legion329: Sometimes stuff seems to go through as DPs though. At least theres some sort of countermeasure thats been around for a while now.

n/a

I'm so pissed this game isn't going to feature blood. I don't get how the publishers leave the scene in the intro when Travis yells "FUCK HEAD!!", but they leave out the blood.

Random J

This is what happens when the government gets involved - No more blood or anything offensive. [Like T.V. and stuff...]

Allen750

Guess I'm going to have to chip mine to play foreign discs. I try to wait, but when you get shafted like this again and again you just have to stop and some point and say no more!

Josh*

Im not watching it butt i want to know if its good and if its a waggle. and THANK U AMERICA!!!!!!!!!! FOR ALL THE BLOOD AND SEX YOU PROVIDE ME WITH:}

DarkLuigi

@MichaelR: Now now. Let's not argue about who's country is more perverse. We're all freaky here.

Erwin

No wonder nobody buy´s this game in Japan and Europe...
But hey we still have "My Sims"... *#!$%&!#**

danny2fst4u

Also, sorry for the off-topic double-post, but my comment tried to go through twice and was denied as a 'duplicate'. Have we fixed the accidental double-postings of Kotaku Past?

Legion329

My favorite quote from the game is in the last (last) boss fight right before the credits. That whole scene is hilarious.

Legion329

*sigh* Another reason for mod chips, I wish Nintendo went with region free. I'll make up my own mind if I want to see gore or not.

Scipher

@n/a: Hmm. OK. At first I was like "What is it with people stealing Witz's profile pic?"

But then I realized I was being toyed with by the unknown forces of the internet!

baked ham

@baked ham: No the site is a bit fubar atm. Tech guys are working on stuff and I just caught the short straw along with a few other folks. Should be fixed in a day or two.

n/a

@coconutdelight:
Don't know where you live, but It's currently available in USA and Canada (I think, don't know if Ubisoft delayed it for us) without censorship.

PeterQC

@baked ham:
As far as I realize, we get pretty much the exact same movies as you guys. They might chop a few things in Germany (and perhaps in UK?), but Norther Europe doesn't make violence on screen that big of a deal.

Anyhow, I really dug Killer7 and really wanted to put my filthy fingers on "No More Heroes" as well, but seeing how they totally removed the balls out of the sack and sacrificed artistic integrity on the altar of family entertainment... meh, they can pretty much shove it. The EU version can rot in hell and hopefully fails to sell over here.

Wish they'd have Freeloader for Wii.

Matula

I seriously need to buy this game.

PaulHunter

@Striderhayasa: People like you make me facepalm like crazy.

I can't believe you actually said N64 games look better than No More Heroes.

Heiae

Oh, for fuck's sake. That is unacceptable. Fuck my life.

Josh*

@n/a: Oh yeah!! I remember hearing about how that scene wasn't censored in Japan. I'm hoping that we eventually get a Blu-Ray that combines both movies into one really long experience, and uncensored, with some real special features. The DVD's that came out in America are pretty light on features, and they're still the theatrical R-Rated versions of the films.

Did you change your name to N/A or is that some sort of mistake on my end? You are Witz, right?

baked ham

@Striderhayasa: killer7 had incredibly bland textures, and it looked MUCH worse than No More Heroes, trust me.

Ashurahori

@Striderhayasa: sorry...I should have said "jagged". especially when you come out of Travis's apartment. It's a huge mess of jagged polygons and terrible textures. If I didn't play through Metroid Prime 3 and Zelda:TP and played through some truly amazing boss battles in Mario Galaxy....I'd say NMH is an example that Wii isn't even as powerful as GC.

Striderhayasa

I loved NMH. Its a shame what they've done here. :(

drweazel

@baked ham: Yeah isnt it weird? Considering in Kill Bill in the US they had the house of blue? scene in B/W and in Japan had it in full color with a few extra "bits" tossed in too.

Sometimes I dont understand this fucking country.

n/a

@n/a: nope. Not crazy. Killer 7 is cleaner, runs at a smoother framerate and the characters animate better.

NMH is so pixelated that the outdoor environments truly look like a 64 game. There's even pop-up, texture and polygon glitches in the game. NMH does NOT look better than Killer 7. We compared them.

Striderhayasa

For God only knows how many years, the grand tradition was "Japan gets the *real* game, North America gets the censored version." It didn't matter if it was sex or violence. They got it, we didn't. Our Resident Evil 4 had glorious decaptions. Japan's Biohazard 4 was censo- oh, I mean, decapitationally challenged. Relatively recent incidents like "Nevada Girl" (look it up) probably had a lot to do with it.

Druffmaul

@benjaminby: Yeah.

And ya know, I wonder if Europe and Japan get censored versions of movies like Gladiator or Saving Private Ryan or Hostel, or whatever. Really violent movies. Do they not get to watch them the way they were intended either? And if they do get them in tact, then why not video games?

baked ham

I know that it's a purely aesthetic quibble, but I think it loses a lot from this, and as a result will not be getting my money. Sorry, Suda, I think you're great and all, but this blows.

Garcian_Smith

@Striderhayasa: You must be crazy if you think Killer 7 looked better than NMH.

n/a

@argh: I saw your comment after I posted my first one. Dude, the game looks terrible. It's inexcusable and the "style" doesn't save it.

I had a friend at my place this past weekend and we literally compared NMH or 10 or 11 GC games and 5 64 games and they all looked better than No More Heroes.

StarFox Adventures, Luigi's Mansion, Metroid Prime, Eternal Darkness, Resident Evil etc...they all looked so much better than NMH it wasn't even funny. We played the games on a 32in HDTV and turned Pro Scan on and off to see if NHM looked better in 480i. It looked even worse. A wii game by Grasshopper should not look like total shit. Killer 7 looks better than NMH...

Striderhayasa

am I the only one that thinks this game looks like a glorified 64 game. ( I actually compared)

Blood isn't going to save a terrible 3D engine.

I like the writing and the characters thus far but I'm having a hard time playing through it because the graphics terrible. "sigh" the blood isn't helping me ...

Striderhayasa

When you kill guys in the japanese version do they turn into a pile of tires?

K-Squad! (Badass Edition)

@Furious_Liver:

Fuck yeah, this looks super awesome. Thankfully my birthday is coming up relatively soon, so here's to hopin' I don't have to spend money on it.

darthvinder

@n/a: .... o_o Anyone else notice the N/A thing happening to people? I saw it happen to DigitalHero on one of his comments too. Weird stuff.

Furious_Liver

Oh yeah folks dont mind my name atm. Its a problem with the site.

n/a

@WreckTheLaw: Yeah I do hope the poor sales in Japan kinda teaches Suda51 to not back pedal on things, make modifications to the game that he could very well just fight for.

Granted I know its not totally his fault, but still.

Gotta make a stand and say that the game isnt for kids anyways so whats up with the wanting to censor whats on the game eh?

n/a

@Daomao: Really gotta get bloody spoiler tags here. Like proper ones. Apologies on that folks.

n/a

@Witzbold: Jeze Witzy. I watched my roommate play through it last week and loved every minute. That really sucks dude.

WreckTheLaw

@Witzbold:
Wow, thanks for spoiling that.... :(

Daomao

Well, if that retarded version is what I have to settle with for NO REASON whatsoever apart from the developer deciding not to give us the real version, it's an instant no-sale for me. If they don't think I'm capable of handling blood because I live in the UK, they can kiss my ass. Black ash just doesn't look half as cool.

Juganawt

Heh, just got this game in the mail today and JUST beat that very boss not 20 minutes ago. Good stuff. 4 chan has killed any chance of me being squeamish towards blood. Not that I ever really was bothered by fake blood in games or movies... but still.

Akanubon

@Witzbold:

Yeah the 2nd one pretty much sucked. I actually tried watching it twice but couldn't finish it either time. I love the first one though!

ssjmichael

OH LAME

marcus_ivo

I must say, having played the US version on a friend's NTSC Wii, I feel less inclined to pick up the PAL release when it comes out here in Europe. In fact, censoring the game in this way makes me less interested in the game generally.

Perhaps they'll port it to 360 some day, fix up the frame-rate and camera problems, and restore the game to its uncensored state. If not, I can do without NMH.

kiigan

RUN EVERYBODY RUN! JACK THOMSON IS COMING!!!! ZOMG!!!1111

KEITH1437

@I_Hate_This_Place: The second one wasnt that good, mainly becuase the original director had died during production.

@Furious_Liver: The idea of the movie is quite disturbing the novel even more so. Not becuase of the graphic violence but of the whole ideas behind the story / situation itself.

Witzbold

Woo, blood geysers!

Aethyr

@argh: How did you ever manage to survive the PS1 and PS2 days?

JeffPaine

I have been really looking forward to this game since it was first announced.
I read/watched all the reviews and found them to be really positive. Every one of them mentioned the vivid red colour of the blood and how much it added to the game.
I'm sad...
Is the only way to play this as it was meant to be to mod my wii?

coconutdelight

@Furious_Liver: Battle Royale= WIN. Haven't seen the sequel, but the first one is worth owning.

I_Hate_This_Place

@Witzbold: Heh, Battle Royal. I still need to check that out. Saw clips, and it looked pretty awesome despite the cheesy oldness. I love the concept too. I believe a movie came out over here with Steve Austin that completely ripped off its plot. Or at least it sounded like a ripoff to me.

@Green-clad Gamer Dude: "You're joking right? I don't care about titles or power, I just want to be number one" <- Still the winning quote, although the one you said was quite delicious also. XD

Furious_Liver

@DaiMacculate: Trust me the blood and such being there as to not makes a huge difference.

Witzbold

@Heiae: Hell yeah, its especially difficult to transition between playing the new burnout game and NMH!

DaiMacculate

@JeffPaine: The odd camera angle movement you saw in Speed Busters death was actually the viewpoint she sees during her death. It's was a popular cinematic technique used in samurai films.

tiredassasin

@Green-clad Gamer Dude:

This game has numerous quotes. You have to see the cutscenes and get the context for what's beeing said.

There's every boss fight brings it's unique dialogue, flavor. But the last boss interaction is just nutso.

FunKrusher

@ idrisz: @ elocanth: In porn? Hah, not at all. Though other countries ofen think Americas perverted, it's not true. Japans almost as perverse as France!

MichaelR

Not gonna watch this as I'm still working through the game (I'm #8 right now) and I don't want spoilers, but its been nothing but awesome so far. I think the blood isn't probably needed to enjoy it, but it does suck that they took it out.

DaiMacculate

I love this game. I just finished the Holly Summers fight.

Seriously, I love this game.

Well, at least every portion that isn't free-roaming. That freaking motorcycle may look awesome, but it controls like ass.

Heiae

Could this be why the game didn't sell well in Japan? Who wanted to see a artist's castrated vision?

Oh, and I wonder how the CHILDREN will grow up when they play this on their toy Wii...

boopadoo

@argh:

Wow I really dug the graphics. I like the style approach they took. It looks a lot better in the first person I think than on youtube. I'm assuming if you've never seen it running for yourself.

My only gripes is the game IS DARK AS ISHT!!! But it's solid. Good beat em up for the Wii.

FunKrusher

@Furious_Liver:

"If challenge was a taste, you'd be quite delicious."

The quote from the game I've heard going around...

Green-clad Gamer Dude

@ThisCharmingMan: Seriously eh? Its about the same as the stuff in the movie battle royale here. So I dont see why they felt the need to censor it for here. :x

Witzbold

@elocanth: Or a flock of pink butterflies!

ThisCharmingMan

This game is great. Witz it's funny you should mention Kill Bill. Because when playing this game I could definitly see a Kill Bill influence. I of course have the uncensored version. And the blood just adds a different dimension to it. Mainly in the cut scenes, when hack away at a boss and there' blood going which way. Or pouring out of their stomaches for their last dialogue.

All in all I'd encourage, most gamers to at least PLAY or try the game. It was a no brain purchase for me. And right up there with one of my most memorable Wii experiences.

Wii-mote cell phone calls FTW!!!

Travis Touchdown is the @#%ing man!

FunKrusher

I try, but I can't get over how shitty the graphics are in this game.

argh

I still really don't understand why these versions were cropped. The gore is SO over the top, fake, and stylized that it really isn't more offensive than your run of the mill military shooter. The language, on the other hand, is a bit risque...but THAT wasn't censored.

ThisCharmingMan

@Green-clad Gamer Dude: "Anyone wary of spoilers should skip 'em, as they're essentially every boss fight in the game."

[;

Furious_Liver

@Maniclysane:
I'd agree with the no blood statement if they replaced it with something else. I think it'd be awesome if a Royal Rainbow spouted out of someone's neck stump after a decapitation.

elocanth

So ... one sucks, one's awesome? I would never, ever buy the censored version.

Strangelove

How the hell is something like this suppost to look good?
(spoiler) [www.youtube.com] (spoiler)

Acunia

@WallaJoy- I has a bucket.:
@TheIrishNinja:
Ok, thx. Had seen this part on Youtube.

Green-clad Gamer Dude

I almost like it without the blood... Too bad it's censored, that I'm not ok with. It's like saying this game isn't good enough for our console, or saying our buyers are pussy's.

Maniclysane

@Witzbold: ...YOU BASTARD, I WAS JUST ABOUT TO BUY THIS GAME. T__T DON'T READ THAT COMMENT! >:O

Furious_Liver

@TheIrishNinja: Nono, it was that PLUS the dialogue.

"Extraordinary...The moment I've been waiting for...The name...Holy Sword...is now yours..."

"You're joking right? I don't care about titles or power, I just want to be number one" (LOL!)

"Then master the ways of the Assassin-"
"HERES YOUR TICKET TO PARADISE YOU *chopsoffhead* OLD MAN."

FUCKING
AWESOME.

Furious_Liver

No wonder this game didn't sell in Japan. This doesn't make any sense. I recently watched the anime "Elfen Lied" whose opening scene includes a floating naked woman telekinetically decapitating and dismembering hordes of armed guards for like 5 minutes straight, and that was shown on TV in japan, probably in a primetime slot no less. How is this game any different? Are there different standards for TV and Video Games in Japan?

thambone

Im still sad that holly summers dies. She has got to be one of my fav vid game chicks ever. D:::::::

I have weird tastes in women you must excuse me.

---

@elocanth: Exactly. The impact is robbed from the game without the blood. Its part of the whole package and what makes it memorable. Imagine the kill bill restaurant fight scene with 0 blood.

Witzbold

@Furious_Liver: @Sloopydrew: that's what got you two to give it a go? you guys are so weird.

TheIrishNinja

I cannot WAIT for this game to show up here (thanks Canada!).

ChewdyFu

@Green-clad Gamer Dude: if it helps, that's the first level boss.

man, the rest of you guys got gypped.

TheIrishNinja

After watching the Speed Buster censored death for the first time, I can honestly say the censored version is better, with it going slow-motion and following the pair of glasses falling. It just looks stupid in the US version with the camera angle moving for no apparent reason.

JeffPaine

This game does indeed demand blood. It was made for it, and shying away from it really detracts from the game's impact.

I do find it a fascinating example of cultural oddities, though. As per the usual generalizations, it's fine for American media to have copious amounts of gore, but if there's any naughty bits, Jesus will come to your house and eat your kneecaps. Anywhere else, it's fine, though.

Granted, there is a bit of sexuality in all releases of No More Heroes, but nothing outside of the norm for these kind of games.

It *is* a fun game, though. I've loved it, so far. Nothing like mowing a lawn for cash and then vertically bisecting a random enemy afterwards.

elocanth

Wow, a Wii game without bunnies and cooking muffins :O

huxle

@Witzbold: yea that s_cks so much...

tocatl

@Witzbold: I strongly salute you. A censored NMH is a bad NMH.

@JeffPaine: DESTROY CANNON!

WallaJoy- I has a bucket.

@benjaminby:
Japan have a weird culture. With all their weird fetishes and hobby japanese have, but they are culturely repressed as a whole.

They have censorship on porn and violence more than most of other countries in Asia.

I guess when you suppress something long enough, it just erupts that's probably what caused all those weird sex fetishes and weird porno...

idrisz

Don't get me wrong I'll get the game, but I'll shead a tear each time i kill something, and cry each time i see a cutscene.

Acunia

I blame the drought of blood donors for this censorship!

MasterOfPastures

Wonder if it will piss Lucas Arts off for the lightsaber look and sound ... lol

EnigmaNemesis

Now you folks know the kind of bullshit I had to put up with while playing the neutered version of the game.

Witzbold

@Furious_Liver:

I had the exact same reaction. Nothing has sold me on the game thus far and the somewhat mixed reviews didn't help. Then I watch that video and the blood lust begins. Gonna definitely be picking this one up.

Sloopydrew

The worst offenders are Holly Summers and Destroyman.

JeffPaine

I heard tell that the Euro and Japanese version has sex in it though. Can anyone confirm?

NeverSage

@Green-clad Gamer Dude: It's actually the very first boss fight, and it happens within 20 minutes of the games beginning.

WallaJoy- I has a bucket.

Spoilers?

I'm gonna get the game and live blogging my first playthrough of it from start to finish one of these days if anyone's interested in watching.

Green-clad Gamer Dude

There are no words to describe how pissed off excessive gore and excessive censoring makes me feel.

Elixir

SO MUCH BLOOD

Ratfoot

That kind of reminded me of Mortal Kombat's Fatalities.

dazyluz

Do the Euros still have the mountain of coins that follow every henchmen death?

WallaJoy- I has a bucket.

Dude that sucks. The country of origin doesn't even the unneutered version? Damn. I hate censorship.

benjaminby

...Holy shit, I'm going out to buy this game once I get the money. That was friggin awesome.

Furious_Liver

:(

Zho

Its a shame they have to censor some of the gruesome and possibly best portions of the game. The graphics are quite unique for the wii. I can't wait to get my hands on No more heroes....wish i had the cash for it.

Gaia99

Man...those cinematic bits loose a lot without anything happening. They were MEANT to have blood fountains.

KaneTaker

I find this ironic, since AoC just received its censorship [ratings] ... and they are allowing full gore in all of Europe, accept Germany of course!

[forums.ageofconan.com]

EnigmaNemesis

..... =<

Acunia

Damn. No buy from me... Guess it's back to watchin 自殺サークル a couple o times to please my schoolgirl/blood lust.

McKack

@Josh*: Good luck with that. I hope your wii doesn't get bricked.

I'm not saying you won't chip it correctly, I'm just saying that the discs themselves have a way of rewriting your wii's firmware to whatever region they came from. Plenty of good modders have lost their systems to this.

I'm sure you won't have that problem though, so go right ahead...

ThatGuyOverThere

I'm not sure if I want to buy the game. I know it's supposed to be over the top but somehow, the extreme death scenes is a bit too much for me. Especially killing Jeane, talk about gorro fantasy. Cut her up so that the cleavage is still there? Blech

RPGr

Shame! I would love to support the game, but now i will wait for a freeloader disk or something before i buy NMH. :(

CattleSnake

@ vanderblade:
Ya damn right.

Random J

It's times like this that I'm proud to be an American. *goes back to playing NMH* Whee! Blood!

Dukeman330

Ruins the game for me. I have this and love it, but without the notorious amounts of gratuitous blood, it loses a lot of its charm. Europeans have been, once again, screwed like a syphilis-infested whore.

vanderblade

dang censorship..

JamieA

I needs the blood :(
Also, I want to nominate Witzbold to be banned for that MASSIVE SPOILER, but can't, since he himself is wielding the ban hammer... :(

Protector one

They could easily just have both on the shelves - they did it with Carmageddon and they do it all the time with DVDs. Unrated and rated version.

NunianVonFuch

That was a huge disappointment. I'm not getting the censored version after beholding pure, undiluted awesome.

Mienvard

Just import it if your not US based.
Euro/Jap version is like a Kill Bill movie where everyone are kind to each other. Boring...

JojoTheSlayer

This just confirms that I was right not to buy it.

A once 'must buy', now just another game I don't care about on the shelves. I do hope it was worth it, it's irreversible at this point anyway.

I wish Grasshopper the best of luck in the future, without my money ofcause.

Malmer

I'm a european gamer and I will get this game I think. I am pissed of that they censor it, I hate censorship. But if I have to choose between liters of blood covering half the screen and no blood I would pick no blood. Shame they could not be more in the middle.

Anyway, this is not a deal breaker for me, but there are times I refused to buy games censored and I will do that again. Maybe I just don't expect or crave pools of blood playing my Wii? If they censor the story or something else I wont buy it. But it is a sad story.

Irenicus-the one and only

@NunianVonFuch:
Same, now I'll have to chip my Wii and import the bloody game. But as NunianVonFuch said, seems to be no guaranties your game will work.

I want the good old days of freeloader back!

Cactuar

I absolutely LOVE THIS GAME! Working on Bitter difficulty now, and it's STILL a blast! The funny thing is, when I'm done, I'm gonna pop in Endless Ocean...how's THAT for extremes? =D

Knoxximus (360/PSN)

I want blood god dammit! I'm wondering if this is a result of the germans not wanting blood in games. Why should other european countries suffer also?

Fisketryne

No love for Letz Shake? xD

Dudemeister

Wow, that looks pathetic without blood.

BloodStainedVendetta

Holy shit. I knew what happened with the censored version but...I didn't realize it took away from the game this much.

Dudemeister

Oh My God! He's a tomato!

AntiZERO

All this arguing over the graphic engine is pointless. You don't like it? Fine. No what though I do. Does the fact that your well thought-out, opinionated, difference invalidate mine? Nope.

If you don't like it. That's on you. Many do like it and I'm in that category. An opinion is an opinion. We all have one. If you feel that strongly don't play it, leave it alone.

I don't need to be convinced about why it's good or bad. I like it. And I'm not going to try to convince you. It is what it is.

FunKrusher

@discipleofjamzy: hold on...stop it right there because that's a bullshit excuse and I'm tired of hearing it. Treasure isn't a huge developer either and they have purposefully stayed very small and yet when they make a game regardless of hardware it's one of the greatest games of its era 9 times out of 10. these are the same developers that said they wanted to make another Gunstar Heroes and purposefully did it on GBA even though more powerful hardware was available and it still ran beautifully. Treasure has always provided some of the best gameplay around as well as pushing hardware to do things that people thought was impossible. So what the hell is Grasshoppers excuse?

Look at Camelot. Those guys aren't the biggest developers around either and they created Golden Sun on GBA which was one of the greatest RPGs of that era and was described more than once as a RPG along the lines of some of the best that Final Fantasy had to offer at that time. On GBA. Not PSP, not DS, Not LIVE, Not PSN...a damn GBA.

So what's grasshopper's excuse? No can answer the question of why it's a crime to want a better 3D engine than NMH's that's obviously flawed as well as the gameplay that NMH provides. So this is what it amounts to? Accept it because Wii owners have nothing else? Fuck that! If worse comes to worse, Devil May Cry 4 is coming out soon son. You think I'll care once that graces my PS3?

Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.

@TheIrishNinja: So why does the 3D engine look like shit? Killer 7, even though it's not an open world, it has a 3D engine that can at least hold frame rate and it doesn't clip. The animation for the main characters are better especially in the cut-scenes. The use of color and the stylized look of Killer 7 is cleaner than NMH. It's a cleaner engine. I'm watching it right now as I type this. NMH may be pushing more objects but it's on more powerful hardware and still manages to run worse. That still doesn't explain why a game like Starfox Adventures can be an open world game with better textures, better lighting, better effects, better animation, better character models and it ran at 60 frames per second. That was first generation on Gamecube. It's no rap. Why can't I have that kind of performance in NMH with the same gameplay? Why do I have to swallow a shite 3D engine in the name of style and to support the Wii Brigade? I like the characters and the writing and just the absurdity of it all but it's ugly as hell and I'm running it in 480p.

That's all I'm saying. If 360 and PS3 can be pushed to give great graphics AND great gameplay, why do Wii owners have to eat a poo 3D engine instead of getting better support?

Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.

@discipleofjamzy: Well said indeed!

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Been playing this game and can't get enough of it. I think that the bigger problem of the censorship is it's effect on mowing down the normal goons in side missions and before boss fights.

It's cool and all to SEE what Mr. Touchdown does to defeated bosses in cutscenes. But in the spewing of blood category, it's a step up to actually DO the slaughtering on a hundred goons. I feel a little guilty saying it, but it's rather fun to mow down a whole legion of nameless goons.

tnx3

@Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.: If you really are that worked up about it, I have a reason why NMH could not give you THAT. In the opening screens the Grasshopper Manufacture screen declares "Punk's Not Dead - Video Game Band". Normal mapping and polish doesn't matter, what matters is Suda cutting loose with every crazy, offensive, fun idea he and his crew has. As he has never been commercially successful so far, the budget was limited but not the imagination. GHM is not holed up in a multimillion dollar studio making Pink Floyd's "The Wall", they're The Misfits, cutting "Static Age" after normal hours at some crap studio. This isn't meant to be a gazillion dollar family movie like "The Incredibles", it's Alex Cox's "Repo Man". It's not another Zelda, it's No More Heroes.
If you are trying to do technical benchmarks with it, I'd say you are missing the point. And THAT is my reason. You don't have to take off your clothes this time. But next time we bond. BOND!
/Thunder Ryu

discipleofjamzy

@Furious_Liver: It's too late, I read it too. To make matters worse, I was spoiled on a few parts of Jeanne D'Arc today as well. I should just avoid the internet altogether. It's sad that the US No More Heroes doesn't work on PAL Wiis, are we stuck with no blood forever?

Libo

@ハリセンボン:

I agree with you. I've heard all kinds of praise for this game, but this is the first I've actually seen. The continuous fountains of blood are ridiculous.

Eunie

@ハリセンボン: Thats the whole point. Its suposed to be over the top as you might not have noticed the game doesnt take itself too seriously.

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@Witzbold: I apparently am in the minority on this, but I thought that the blood was way over the top. I am fully enjoying the JP version of the game even without grotesque amounts of spewing blood.

Also, watching the syndicate vacuum up your opponents after you're done with them in priceless.

ハリセンボン

@Slick-Rick: Pretty much. Well more like turns into a pile of ash.

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Wait.

So apparently. In the censored version when he slices dudes head off...he...disinigrates his entire body?

Slick-Rick

@I_Hate_This_Place: sequel is no good, just so you know. 1 is way better.

@Witzbold: ok, that was a better explanation, i didnt know that.

@JeffPaine: haha, good point.

@Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.: eh, playing it, the style works, and its better than Killer 7, at that.

TheIrishNinja

@Akanubon: The game looks very bad. not okay...not kinda sorta good. The game looks VERY bad. Syphon Filter on PSP looks better than NMH. People criticized Zelda TP for looking like a GC game on Wii (which is retarded considering it was made on GC hardware and development tools) but look at what Zelda gave you. A draw distance that was ridiculously long, a framerate that was consistent, great character models, great animation, great lighting effects...Could someone please tell me why NMH could NOT give us that?

Look. I'm all about great gameplay but could someone tell me why is it a crime to call a craptacular 3D engine...CRAP? Why is it a crime to want great gameplay AND graphics that show off the hardware. Notice I didn't say as good as 360 or PS3. Graphics that show off the hardware. Metroid does this. Mario Galaxy does this, you can bet your ass SSBB is going to do it. When PSP games are looking better than a highly anticipated Wii game, something is truly wrong.

Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.

@Striderhayasa:

one word: YOUTUBE!

Darthvinder