Entitlements? How dorky. They Should use something that doesn't sound like it is licking the 360's boots. Something like "Badge of Honor" or something like that.. But of course, another genius insight to be brushed to the side.

merebito

Woo-wee, I was just about right.

Moonshadow101

@TRT-X: I agree. What exactly would we be "entitled" to if we get all of the entitlements? Makes no sence....

Mr.SithNinja

Wow, aren't sony full of original ideas this time around.

Go Sony!

Carcrashtastic...

edhe (xbl)

I think "entitlements" are a bad word. You aren't entitled to the points as much as you have to work to earn the points. "Accomplishment" is a better word, though I could see why they'd want to shy away from a similiar word.

But like I said earlier...let me just unlock shit in the game that makes it worth replaying again. Because once I get the Achievement points, I've pretty much done everything. Give me some unlockables and maybe it'll shoot some new life into it (for just a bit longer at worst)

TRT-X

whatever they are called.... i just want them. they seem fun. :p

joelface

Let's just call them all, no matter what console they are on, for what they are, your e-penis. I know I would love it that whenever I unlocked one of them it would say "Your Penis just got even further engorged". Actually, I just want any computer to say that.

DocBacca

MS can keep them.
Achievements just add grind to games by making people play them out of percieved sense of duty and not for fun.

I don't care who came up with them - they're another platform for pissing contests and those can only end one way... pissy. You can always opt out and ignore them, but if they're showcased online in some way you're going to get people on your case for not playing your game THEIR way and bending over backwards to keep up with them.

(Then, I wouldn't be surprised if the ones on PS3 couldn't even be showcased until Home, but this was half exaggerated ranting anyway :p)

fuchikoma

If I do recall, Sony calling their system "entitlements" isn't a new concept at all. Back possibly before they announced Home? they made mention of an achievement like system called entitlements

here is a more credible source than a late poster like me: [www.joystiq.com]

Maht

I can see how entitlements can work. Though it's not a synonym to achievement and accomplishment, it can still be used as a way to give someone recognition for accomplishing/achieving something. I'll use World of Warcraft as an example: if you reach exalted reputation with the 3 original PvP factions, you gain the title "justicar". Gaining exalted is the accomplishment, Justicar is the title, what you are entitled to. I hope I make sense.

dgonchild

Hmmm... Makes me wonder if the entitlements will be shown in the new store interface coming the spring.

KYLE_ELYK

@Kirbytheslayer: In-Kirby XMB: Wrong... AOL had them long before Sony did... it was called "You've got Mail" It was awarded every time you successfully sent emails to yourself!

okenny :)

@Tiberian: You have to be kidding me. Similar concept has emerged even back in PS2's Resident Evil (beat the game only using knife and you get costume, etc). If anything, DMC's so-called 'achievements' (even though it wasn't called that) was more worth it because it gives you things you can use in the game instead of just worthless points.

@bkN00b: Well, it obviously works for some people (the ones who keep saying that 360 is better off because of "Achievements").

Evo

@TRT-X: Nice one, you have backed up what I said about the concept being around for yonks. As have a few others. If only I didn't take so long to type my comments, it would have appeared in some kind of chronological sense. Ah well.

Ungruntled

Hmm, pretty bored of all these "X copied Y who copied Z anyway" shouts. "Accomplishments" or whatever you want to call them didn't even begin with XBox; they just found a way to shout about them. Which was pretty clever, I admit. But stuff like that have been in games for yonks; e.g. the Ratchet & Clank series have always had them (but call them "Skill Points") and I'm pretty sure if someone thinks really hard, we can trace this concept back far further than that.

In the gaming industry, most games, and indeed consoles and peripherals, have copied something from someone else somewhere. It's been that way for ages; otherwise we'd all still be loading games from cassettes and using joysticks with one button.

Agreed though, that "entitlements" is an inappropriate term. Game looks arse anyway.

Ungruntled

@Klopfer123: it is now :)

meandering_drivel

Quite surprising that microsoft didn't patent the achievement concept long ago :)

still, i'm sure everyone will get a good laugh when both sony and nintendo copy them outright.

meandering_drivel

@Maldron:
Eurgh I hate Accomplishments, for the simple fact there's no such word in the English language.

An accomplishment is:

'something that has been achieved successfully. 2 the successful achievement of a task. 3 an activity that one can do well.'

There's no entry for 'Accomplishments' as the plural is 'Achievements'. Accomplishments is an alternative of achievement, it has no plural!

Klopfer123

What do the scores mean on the PS3? Are they persistent? Global? Can I trade x of my points for extra content or multiplayer personalization options? Now that would be different from the 360 and add value.

Maximus9

I wonder how this will be reflected in Home. Maybe 500 entitlement points allows to your Home avatar to wear a dark sector shirt or duit?

Gambare

@Groodle: Ah, true. That was an awesome feature. Wasn't there also a couple of image filters to choose from like black & white? And slow-motion I think. That was neat.

Candlejack

@NessD12: Achievements/Skill Points...whatever. They were around since back in the days of NES.

Except back then they were called "unlockables" and were for the most part new content or something otherwise worth the trouble of collecting 500 of some orb or another.

You know, what we these days call "DLC"

TRT-X

@Candlejack:

The difference with Uncharted, and a way I could see achievements being somewhat worth playing for, is the unlockables you get as a result of completing those objectives.

Some of it was artwork, some were alternate costumes, and some were pretty cool - the flipping of the game world on-the-fly was nifty.

If you're gong to have achievements, whatever they're called, make them worth something within the game.

Groodle

I am fairly certain the same kind of thing was implemented in Uncharted:DR. I don't exactly recall in what manner, but it definitely had something with points.

Though, we need this on a global scale, counting all the individual games - or introducing a general standard. Like the Achievement system.

But, I'm not exactly the kind of person to dig this. So I can happily live without.

The only thing I appreciate is something that shows all the games you own and how you did on them (beaten on hard etc.). Not the "ZOMG 10000KILLS"-Achievement.

Candlejack

I don't feel like rewording it so i'm just gonna copy and paste my message to tiberian and type in caps 4 choice words.

ACHEIVEMENTS ARE FUCKING ANNOYING!

@Tiberian:
No. Microsoft did not come up with the acheivement system. Sony's games did it long before microsoft but it was called skill points. And don't get me started on pc gaming. Making an arrogant comment about anyone. There is no such thing as something truely unique which is why i wish developers would just go for the whole "Why don't we just make a good fucking game" angle that bungie insomniac valve and id do.

I don't want my games to be a pissing contest for doing as many mediocre things in a video game as i can. That's what i like about bungie insomniac valve and id. I'd like you to point to a bad game they've made? I'd throw treasure in there but treasure has always done something original and fun with they're games so they would defeat the point i'm trying to make. And for the record. Gabe Newell is full of himself.

NessD12

"I prefer Accomplishments. Entitlements means something ENTIRELY FUCKING DIFFERENT than Achievements or Accomplishments."

^^^ This.

EvoAnubis

@Tiberian:

I don't know why Microsoft, and by extension, gamers, should be "proud" of achievements. They're an artificial way to boost game sales, so developers can continue to be lazy and churn out the same shit for decades.

Groodle

@Moonshadow101: you're gonna make hillary cry again.
@Evo: well, you tell me how else to put lipstick on a pig.
@PGHdave: i paid 60 bucks - if i cared, i'd feel entitled. but i don't so, it's all semantics to me.

bkN00b

Achievements are a joke and unless they give me something more than a score, I could care less. This is why I'm eager to see how it plays into Home.

You can keep your 15,000 Gamerscore. Give me bonus content or something worthwhile.

sascha23

I must say that when I saw FPS I got a little skeptical, but upon seeing a gameplay video on youtube it might be worth a look. Looks like it plays more like Uncharted than a shooter

Sparx

@T3kNi9e: You have to be kidding me. Most of the 360's features, including achievements were not copies but were in fact firsts on the 360, no matter how much Sony or over developers try to incorporate achievements into PS3 titles, it'll always be known Microsoft came with it first. So saying Nintendo is the only console currently with something unique is completely false.

Likewise Home is the only truly unique feature to the PS3. I wish they'd make the "trophy" system they were on about because i'm sick of features from one console, being copied by another and then getting praised for it.

Tiberian

@Sheen_Latrine: YES YES yes...I agree you hit the nail on da head. More unified system and enough of this multi reward system on a per game basis. Good point.

JorgieX

I just hope that the games that do this little system will accommodate the reward system that Home promises to bring. Whether it's really the trophies or these "Accomplishments" is really yet to be seen but this is a decent step I suppose. How about taking Resistance's Skill Points, Uncharted's Award Medal thingies, and now DMC4 and Dark Sectors achievements and converting them to this promised format? It wouldn't be too hard.

Sheen_Latrine

@Kirbytheslayer: In-Kirby XMB: So then we could say that Insomniac copied the PC then, right? Since skill points have been around since the begining of the PC revolution...lol

JorgieX

Achievements are fun to collect.
Sony needs to pick an award system and stick to it.

ungivenglory

@Evo: Yeah I agree but you don't have to pay any attenyion to the achievement at all I don't ever go for achievements. I get them just by playing through the game, some of them anyways the ones that require me to grind for or play through many times I don't bother with. I think it's a good insentive to play through more times to get your 60+ dollars worth of gameplay.

JorgieX

@ Maldron: I think we should call them skill points

Ahsayuni

Hmmm....

Here's something people forget:

The Ps2 had Games with achievements long before Microsoft or any other company touched them.

In 2004, Jak and Daxter and Ratchet and Clank implemented the first form of Achievements, then called "Skill Points".

So you see, Microsoft is ripping off Sony.

Though it's nice to have them back.

Kirbytheslayer: In-Kirby XMB

@smitty1123: lol. I do think it's great they they don't have any weapon specific achievements in mulitplayer modes. I hate to have glaive whores when i'm trying to play a team game online. It really annoys me when people run around in multiplayer games with one specific goal in mind IE screw everyone else i'm going to get this achievement whether we win or lose.

AnonAMoose

I heard about entitlements before the PS3 even came out. I had read somewhere that they were supposed to launch with the PS3 as its form of achievements.

Doomstink

@Maldron: yeah.. wtf? entitlements? that isnt even remotely related to ACHEIVING something

PGHdave

Maybe it's because so many folks harp on the 360 version of games being superior due to Achievements that devs are including the same for the PS3. So now instead of "360 has achievements so I will probably buy that" in the case of games with no difference in quality of play between the two systems to "Why are they putting in the PS3 version?" Guess folks will tailor their arguement to whatever suits the gripe.

nine07

achievements....
meh!
if i wanted to play something in order to get numbers increase,in order ti increase another number i would just play wow...
or any other free mmo anyway...
I heard mgs4 and god of war3 don't have achievemnts btw :)

steliosco

LOL, since I never pay much attention to 360, I didn't know that all of these times, "Achievements" are basically just points that you earned as you grind through these menial tasks.

What a way to waste your time. Playing game is okay but I think there are better ways to spend your time than grinding through these pointless exercise just so you can get extra points.

Evo

"entitlements"? Only slightly pretentious... Does anyone that uses such a term for something of this sort even look these things up in the dictionary?

MrBionic

@Moonshadow101: You're not allowing for any "Dark Sector looks like crap anyway"? 'Coz it does, and stuff.

Maldron

Let's hope that SONY makes it a permenant requirement like xBL achievments so that there is some kind on uniform system across every other title. So that it won't be all crazy like letting companies design and name there own "ACHIEVEMENTS". Trophies in HOME, Acomplishments in some games and others with Entitlements. Just one rule and one law to keep everyone on the same page.

JorgieX

I'm voting for:
40% "Sony is copying MS!"
50% "Achievements have RUINED EVERYTHING AND I HATE THEM"
and/or "I am utterly indifferent towards achievements, but I'm a prick and feel the need to be very pointed about it. Here, let me tattoo it on your eyelids so you don't forget how uncaring I am."
10% Wtf is dark sector?

Moonshadow101

Things are becoming too much alike. PS3 and 360 are so horribly alike that the only difference is the visual is different. Nintendo is the only one being unique and not biting everyones style. Sadly my Wii only has a few games because 3rd party support is horrible as hell while my 360 boasts the most. Even 360 is researching motion controls!! Wtf is up with all the copying?

T3kNi9e

@Sparx: I prefer Accomplishments. Entitlements means something ENTIRELY FUCKING DIFFERENT than Achievements or Accomplishments.

Maldron

@kavits001: But then how can you measure your penis against other anonymous gamers' penises? Or is it peni? I should go look that up...

smitty1123

If they unlocked a glaive that I could use in home than it would all be worth it. At the very least make it unlock a shirt that says "I got lucky in Dark Sector".

Guild_Navigator

Entitlements, Achievements, Couldn't care less. Just let me play the games.

kavits001

@Sparx: That's what she said HEYOOOOO

yeah, that was bad, I find it kind of weird that the Sony TRC list lets them name it this way if it really is named "accomplishments"....

dashyt2dafulliz

.....and I thought they were trophies?

JorgieX

entitlements? I thought they were accomplishments?

Sparx