i just saw an article about the new "sins" that came out and I thought the wii was one of them cause of that picture of the pope, lol!!!!

freespeech

@ajay42: Ok I may have unfairly bashed Zak and wikipedia. My point is still valid though, what devs besides capcom have even put any effort into devolping for the wii? I guess winning eleven play maker is an interseting take on futbol, it's not really a system seller though.

Pornosaur

@tincow: Who's the "we" you speak for?

Pornosaur

@Amnesiac85: Hey, I liked Quest 64. In fact, more than FF7. But then, gameplay is my most important element in an RPG. :)

Thanks all, I look forward to experiencing better sensitivity the next time I get my hands on a Wii. God... I'm so clever!

Xiedo

@Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.: Having played both games, I can truthfully say that saying Devil May Cry and Ninja Gaiden are clones is like saying every single FPS is exactly the same. They're significantly different in many ways from the gameplay to the world styling.

Nirolak

@Naelok: "Someone needs to photoshop that shot of the Pope so that he's holding a Wiimote in his outstretched hand. That would be Epic Win. A Prize to the first person to do it!"

Surely a Wii Zapper or that shark gun thingy would be even funnier?!

I'll just imagine he's standing on a Wii Fit board while I'm at it! (-;

DreamcastRIP

@guy_jin: uh...what the hell are you talking about? First of all, shinobi predates Ninja Gaiden, Ninja Gaiden Black and Ninja Gaiden Sigma. Besides, the current NGs are all Devil May Cry rip offs. Just like any game that Team Ninja does...its always a rip off of some other popular game. So don't give me that nonsense of Shinobi being "me too". Last I checked Gaires is a Sega game. If it's not then tell me who made it.

Last, old series are being reintroduced all the time. A lot of gamers today have no first hand knowledge of bionic commando and I'd bet money that many others don't realize that Strider debuted on NES years before the 8Meg Genesis version ever saw the light of day. that didn't stop Capcom from remaking and updating BC and Strider.

Try again dude, I put your comments in the "irrelevant" column.

Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.

@skullivan: @Heyyou27: Disaster: Day of Crisis?

Torgen thinks AAA means “Costs $60”

@Magic Emperor Anima:

Would you please name (specifically) some of those minigame collections your talking about.

People are always saying they see tonnes of minigames, but when I buy Wii games (which is often) I don't come across too many.

yomachaser

@Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.: nobody knows what zillion or kenseiden are anymore. and a Shinobi sequel would look like 'me, too' due to the recent ninja gaiden games.

also, I know Gaiares isn't even Sega's game, not sure about the others you listed.

guy_jin

Another statement of "the Wii can do hardcore games, just look at Resident Evil!" I wonder if they're going to say that 5 years from now...

I know there are more, but that seems to be the only one that was noticed.

Personally, I can't explain it well, I have about 8 good Wii games, but it's a party system. It gets played when I pack it up and haul it to a friend's place, but otherwise it just sits there. The games are good, but I'm just more inclined to play the ones on all of my other systems first. :/

fuchikoma

@ajay42:

dude it's just the cool thing to do on the internet. I own over 10 games for my wii and enjoy and play them all. I also own a 360 with about 6-7 games, and split time equally between the 2. Some days 360 gets more love, sometimes Wii gets more love.

But all this "my Wii is collecting dust, Wii only has teh cazual gamez!!!" B.S. is nonsense. I keep encouraging people to get down to their stores and actually look around. But you know people would rather bitch on the internet or listen to a gazillion blogger reveiwers and base their opinions on that.

Ah well to each their own.

FunKrusher

@Xiedo: try medal of honor heroes. its yes, ANOTHER WWII shooter, but the controls are tight, and it's pretty fun playing what is basically a lightgun game against other people. even if WWII sucks as a backdrop. and both armies look basically the same.... *sigh* but, hey! its got 32 player multiplayer!

thejakeman: probably disagrees with you

@Heyyou27:

your fault. there's a ton of solid games for wii right now. if you've played them all and beat them to death I can understand. but if you've only played the "good" games on wii you're just trumping yourself

FunKrusher

@Pornosaur: wii tennis doesn't suck.... >_>

@skullivan: did you buy the virtual boy? no? then shut the fuck up.

thejakeman: probably disagrees with you

I don't play my Wii anymore, and I won't buy new games for it until Nintendo stops this casual bullshit.

Heyyou27

"Zak and Wiki doesn't count, I've played 5000 3d-platformers on the ps2."

Yeah, see? This is standard practice around here. Most of the people dissing this game (and Wii games in general) obviously have not played them or even READ about them! Zak and Wiki is not a 3d platformer in the slightest.

There are advantages and disadvantages to the Wii just like any other system. I just happen to have played Metroid Prime 3 and Mass Effect back to back and I wish I could have welded the control system, art design and polish from MP3 onto the epic scale, story and (when they worked) graphics of ME. But alas! I cannot... In any case, both were excellent games on their own. I think its criminal that MP3 has been as overlooked as it has.

ajay42

I seem to remember Ubisoft saying the same thing about the Wii. Yep, here it is...

[kotaku.com]

Here we are almost a year later and does Ubisoft have anything coming for the Wii gamers give a rat's ass about? Not that I can think of off the top of my head.

Hell, Nintendo doesn't even have anything coming out that I am seriously interested in. The nth iterations of Mario Kart and Smash Bros. do not excite me.

Nintendo needs to put their money where their mouth is and INNOVATE. It's messed up that there are more WiiWare games I'm interested in than full Wii games.

skullivan

@Xiedo: Comparing Red Steel to Metroid Prime 3 is like comparing Quest 64 to Final Fantasy 7. Both in the same category..but the former games fail immensely, while the latter succeeds at epic proportions. So yes..Red Steel was a disappointment, Metroid Prime 3 rocks.

Amnesiac85

^It absolutely blows my mind that developers aren't diving into this system just to have access to this particular control scheme. ...or maybe they are and we just aren't hearing about it yet?

wonder6oy

I tend to disagree with him. I don't think its a lack of games that keep some 'hardcore' gamers from getting a Wii, its the controller. I know among my gamer friends there is a pretty strong dislike for the wiimote/nunchuk control scheme. I know you can use other controllers if you like but at that point you might as well just play your Gamecube.

Gray665

@Xiedo: Red Steel was horrible.
Metroid 3 (on "advanced/expert" setting) is very good ("easy" setting on the controls is actually quite awful - kinda like Red Steel).

However, Medal Of Honor: Heroes 2, with the neutral box at minimum and the sensitivity at about 2/3, trumps them all.

wonder6oy

I don't think people who value 'hardcore' games more than 'good' games are going to ever be pleased with the Wii...and why should we care?

I mean, for god's sake, even solid/good adventure games like Zack and Wiki aren't 'hardcore' enough? Let the people who want this stuff stick to 360s...Wii already has enough casual shovelware, we don't need to add the hardcore shovelware that these people like. :)

tincow

@SnakeCL: There's no reason to be hating on the wii. Which consoles are getting RE5?
PS3? Check.
360? Check.
Wii? Hmm...No Check.

Tiber

@SnakeCL: I'm willing to bet you're wrong.

I played RE4 on the Gamecube, beat it and loved it. Would I buy the same exact game again just because it was prettier? Absolutely not, and I bet many people would feel the same way. Prettier graphics do not change the game.

However, I did buy it again on the Wii, because the controls did change the game. I even got all of the bottle caps on the Wii version because instead of the bottle cap mini game being a pain in the ass it was awesome. Handgun + IR pointer controls = me ripping off headshots with ease and not fumbling around with clumsy dual analog.

nastysquared

I think its actually somewhat interesting.
"We've seen the success of Resident Evil on Nintendo Platforms."

I'm willing to bet that an upgraded 360 port of RE4 would've sold better than the wii version. Or the upcoming RE0 port, would probably sell on any system at the moment. I mean, I realize that Capcom is in it for the moneyhats, but I think their main audience is still on the 360, PS3. I'd shamelessly buy up every half-ass GC port if it were on PS3. Since I could care less about a wii (already have a GC thank you) Capcom won't be seeing any of my money, and apparently I'm not the only one who feels this way.

SnakeCL

@Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.: I think they might wanna stop screwing up the IPs they ARE using first.

Sabre_Justice: Okay, no more long name.

Okay okay....Sega....If wii is the shiznit for the hardcore then how about making a proper sequel to Zillion for Wii? Maybe a proper sequel to Shinobi? Bring back Hotsuma and let's forget about the debacle that was Nightshade. Kenseiden, The Ninja, Gaires...cmon Sega. You talk all of this big talk but you have a wealth of IPs that you just aren't using. Get with it, chop chop.

Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.

A little fanatical? Hey if it gets us a class A Sonic game then whatever. Hopefully they'll get right in that.

CarbonatedWater

@XidZen: Nintendo's bent over backwards for third party devs. Repeat after me. "It is not Nintendo's job to spend money on ads for third party games." If a Dev is going to phone it in, well..

Foxstar Sixtail

@Archaotic: Heh, yeah. Well, I do look forward to the Tales game that was announced and some others. I just feel like I need more. By more I may not exactly sure I mean "AAA" titles, but I would like developers to put more hard work into obvious games that sell well but aren't as good as they could be. Umbrella Chronicles, Soul Calibur Legends, those kind of games with the established names.

Magic Emperor Anima

@Xiedo: MUCH better than Red Steel. Trust me, they're strange at first because they're unique, but eventually they'll feel like nothing else.

Also, the first five minutes actually play like a more conventional FPS, but the rest is pure Metroid. Kinda hints at what could be...

Also, it's very pretty. The Wii is no slacker when it comes to graphics, devs just need to rise to the task.

Sabre_Justice: Okay, no more long name.

Well it seems like whenever a "hardcore" 3rd party game is released, it does poorly for whatever reason. Wii has sold the most units worldwide this generation yet the only successful games seem to be 1st party and/or casual games. It would be interesting to see the Wii with a "Ninja Gaiden" port, but even if that were to happen, I think myself and a lot of other people would rather play it on the 360 or PS3. They've kind of dug themselves a hole (I blame the purple lunchbox for starting Nintendo's downfall... long live the SNES days).

DeeBG

@Naelok: That would be awesome!lol

badmoogle

But I do also believe that a lot of Western publishers are only looking at the Wii for casual and family gaming, and I think that's a mistake

Damn, I wish more developers thought that way. I'd like to see the Wii draw casual gamers into other games and have the whole industry grow rather than segregate. There is as much room in the market for casual and hard core games as there is for platformers and shooters. So we shouldn't be forced to choose one over the other (on any platform).

Doshu

Well it sure as shit wasn't based on content.

Coldbrand

@Pornosaur: I'm still not sure how Zack and Wiki doesn't count. It's not a platformer. At all.

Torgen thinks AAA means “Costs $60”

I'm eager to find out if Metroid Prime 3 controls better than Red Steel. I played that at a friend's place and it didn't leave good impressions of shooter potential on the Wii. Granted, I understand it was a first shot and maybe the result of shovelwaring.

As far as if Wii feeds the hardcore, sure. Just not a lot. I can't imagine a core gamer living off Wii alone.

Xiedo

Nintendo's console doesn't appeal to me this generation. The DS and XBLA fulfill my casual needs, but the wii I have given to my 12 year old sister to keep.

qbix

@Thorax:
For a game with no advertisement or retailer hype, No More Heroes did alright. Kicked the shit out of Killer7, at least...

...not that that's saying much. But I see where you're coming from.

Archaotic

The Wii is pretty damn sweet and all, but I can't think of any game past Brawl and Mario Kart that I would seriously consider buying in the future. Wiki and No More Heros are damn good, but I think they tanked sales wise.

I'm just waiting for the day that they announce a Big Lebowski Bowling game, and the ultimate college party game will officially be invented.

Thorax

@Sabre_Justice: Okay, no more long name.: Yeah I know since 3 was on the Wii, I would be interested in how that controls.

Pornosaur

@Sabre_Justice: Okay, no more long name.: Nope I'll still say Zak and Wiki doesn't count. Although I'm conflicted that Capcom has been the only "AAA" third party company to put some budget into some games for the Wii. Although they have supported Nintendo for awhile. I still think RE 4 on the cube was one of the best, front to back, console games I've played. Some where between Super Metroid and Final Fanstasy III in the top 5. Not trolling you my fellow Kotakuite.

Pornosaur

@Magic Emperor Anima:
Agreed, man. I want my Wii to become more than just "The Box That Plays Brawl And Glows Occasionally", but so far there's very little indication it will become any more than that...and the customerbase at my store only worries me more. Maybe one out of every twenty Wii customers at my store is a true gamer, the vast, vast majority of 'em all are parents, grandparents, or other various adults who would rather buy Carnival Games or Wii Fit over No More Heroes, Brawl, or even Galaxy. Sigh.

Hey, wait...I can respond to your comments now! Awesome!

Archaotic

@Pornosaur: He's talking about the Wii controls, not the Gamecube controls. VERY different.

Sabre_Justice: Okay, no more long name.

@Pornosaur: ...you're exactly what I was complaining about.

Zak and Wiki DOES count.

And since when has a Nintendo console needed good third party games to succeed? The Wii sure isn't suffering in sales because of a lack of them.

But I would like some more good non-Nintendo games to choose from. Remember, games take a year or two to develop, and most developers didn't think the Wii would succeed until it launched into orbit. You saw the industry in shock as they pumped out shovelware to try and cash in, now other companies have started to work on real games for it. The same thing happened with the DS, though that didn't take off quite as quickly.

Sabre_Justice: Okay, no more long name.

@gulyman: Hmmm see I loved Metroid Prime on the cube, but could never make myself play through Prime 2. I mostly was tired of the controls by that point. Very interesting.

Pornosaur

@gulyman: Same. I'd play Halo if it had those controls. It combined the precise aim of a computer mouse with the natural movement of a joystick.

Sabre_Justice: Okay, no more long name.

@Sabre_Justice: Okay, no more long name.: I know about that kill the other assassins game, and maybe I'll stretch and throw in Umbrella Chronicles, but no joke I want to know the other games on the Wii that aren't made by Nintendo that would fall into the "hardcore" gamer category.

And by "hardcore" I mean something that resembles a traditonal game idea that they have at least innovated somewhat for the next generation and I would be interested in. Zak and Wiki doesn't count, I've played 5000 3d-platformers on the ps2.

Pornosaur

After playing Metroid on the Wii, I never want to go back to dual analog. It is so intuitive to just move the remote to look.

gulyman

There's PLENTY of hardcore games on the Wii, Kotaku trolls just don't acknowledge their existence so they have something to argue about. It doesn't help when you push the definition to make everything on the Wii (and pretty much all other games in the process) a 'casual game'.

Sega does make good games as long as Sonic isn't involved (and even that's changing- Secret Rings actually isn't bad!). Looking forward to what they can create.

Sabre_Justice: Okay, no more long name.

I've got this great game idea...its called "The Passion"
Should be great for those hardcore gamers who feel left out of the wii experience.

Philudo

@thefremen: I guess this means if any new Dune games come out they'll be for the Wii since that's the official platform of Fanatical Religious Extremists.

LoL! May the hand of God be with You mate!
I just realize how awesome could it be.

As a Nintendo fanboy I have enough words how Wii could be. Nintendo must support 3rd party developers there is no other way to get some "hardcore" games.

XidZen

@Reneg: I would literally kill for a full size poster of NinjaBread Man's boxart.

NathanX

@NeoAkira: beat me to it...that is a grammatical abortion :|

Gypsie

I don't know why everyone's still arguing over whether or not the Wii will be a success when it pretty clearly is. Systems are still selling out constantly, virtual console games turn out a surprising profit, Brawl's been in Japan's top spot since it came out... I can't imagine anything coming along and ruining the streak short of a press release saying that the Wii is secretly powered by the souls of your unborn children.

And puppies.

ddrussianinja

@Reneg: Hehe. Yeah, in a way. If I got it for free, I probably wouldn't sell it or give it away. I'll just invite guests and say "Hey, wanna play an awesome game!?"

Magic Emperor Anima

@gamadaya: True. Well, I was thinking more down the line. Both of those games are coming out pretty soon, and I know some other good games are coming, but I don't think any of the third party games have a chance of selling close to them and especially Wii Fit.

Magic Emperor Anima

@Magic Emperor Anima: Even if awful, NinjaBread Man is pretty awesome.

Reneg

Someone needs to photoshop that shot of the Pope so that he's holding a Wiimote in his outstretched hand. That would be Epic Win. A Prize to the first person to do it!

Naelok

I guess this means if any new Dune games come out they'll be for the Wii since that's the official platform of Fanatical Religious Extremists.

Does this mean Nintendo's Corporate Headquarters are it's own nation like the Vatican?

thefremen

"The Wii is capable of hardcore games. Of course we don't have the balls to make them."

Torgen thinks AAA means “Costs $60”

Ummm excuse me if I'm wrong and I know this is a "Sega" shrill spouting off, but both Wii Tennis and Mario & Sonic at the Olympics suck right?

Pornosaur

@PatMan33: Don't say it out loud!

FeatherNET

@Magic Emperor Anima:
Brawl and Mario Kart. I guess those are, once again, both Nintendo, but I think most people buy Nintendo consoles for Nintendo games.

gamadaya

lol that pic wins

GodzillaVsJapan

"The Wii as a platform has way much more to offer"

the man had to break correct grammatical form to prove his point. he must really think of the Wii as being awesome.

NeoAkira

I do hope better things are on the horizon for the Wii. I know there are some good games out and that are announced, but it seems for every high quality game that arrives, there's three or four minigame compilations or Ninjabread Men.

Magic Emperor Anima

But without Sonic... y-you don't think they would make another Shadow the Hedgehog game... that would be madness!

PatMan33

Hopefully this means Sega has some original software for the Wii lined up.

Stormrider

I woudln't be surprised if Reggie himself came to the door and excommunicated me.

Sailorcancer