It means that they need better taste in first person shooters. It also means that they're missing out on superior first person shooters, most of which are on the pc.

Gagamus

@Gagamus:

And what does that say about 360 owners when a medicore fps like Halo 3 sells 7 million+ copies?

Roland25

This just proves how stupid Wii owners are. Only Guitar Hero 3 and RE 4 were worth buying out of all those games.

Gagamus

The interaction with the remote controller can boost a gameplay experience.. or simply destroy it. By now, on Wii in my opinion there are more of the second option.

Time will surely put more balance between a bad or a good game but too many users, from the last generations at least are quite suprised by the control but the graphic quality, a comercial advantage in this industry, just fade too much on Wii.

Actually the console CAN'T replace a PS3 or a 360, and certainely the third parties will never change that perseption. Anyway, the boom of casual gamers around the globe seems to be the next reach for them.

Sorry for my poor english mates, I usually write in french or spanish.

Oh and by the way, une spéciale dédicace à tous mes "followers"! :D

Bidule

I will now continue obstinately refusing to believe statistics because I want to believe that third party games can't sell on the wii, regardless of the truth.

STORPID NORNTANDO CAN'TT LET ANEEY GAAAAMS SELL ON THUR CONSOULE!!!11!!

Oh, fanboyism. Oh, perceptual bias. You make the internet so much more fun.

Kainy

@xgenius: "I think Galaxy is great, but I think we would all benefit if Nintendo produced some original IPs. What was the last one......Pikmin?"

Clearly you like sounding ignorant.

New IP is not the same as new ideas. Nintendo's core franchises (Mario, Zelda, Metroid) all try to do something new with each installment. Galaxy is a very different game from 64, which was a very different game from Super Mario World etc. Nintendo has not just put out graphical updates of the original Super Mario Bros for the last 20 years. The fact that this even needs to be pointed out to people who call themselves gamers shows just how shockingly stupid and ignorant some people are.

Also, regarding new IP, look at that Drake's Fortune game on the PS3; it's basically a reskinned Tomb Raider. Does the fact the game replaces Lara with a guy called Nathan suddenly make the game new and different? Do people actually think that a standard Zelda game in a new universe with new characters would make for a fresh, new game? Are so-called gamers really that short-sighted and dumb?

inphanta

@mooseyfate: "the main things that are selling on the wii are mostly "casual" games except for a few "hardcore" games. i expect third parties to sell well on the wii if they put out certain types of games i dont expect 3rd parties that put out "hardcore" games to do too well. Look at Suda51's game No More Heroes. Great game but it is not selling well at all."

You're talking crap. There are plenty of Wii owners (like myself, and I'm certain I'm not the only one) who would like to play more so-called "hardcore" games, but thus far, 3rd party developers are choosing not to make those sort of games for the Wii. Instead, we get all sorts of feeble excuses about how there's no market for it whilst they put out shoddily thrown together mini-game compilations which don't sell very well; inexplicably, Nintendo then get blamed by said companies when their attempts at making a quick buck don't pay off.

As for No More Heroes, it's one of those games that wouldn't sell in huge numbers on any platform. Killer 7, for instance, didn't sell millions when it was ported to the PS2. People like to blame Nintendo and its platforms for games not selling because Nintendo bashing is very fashionable at the moment. (It appears that if any company besides Sony is doing well, it must be heavily criticised.)

inphanta

@Fonzy: "GET US BETTER 3RD PARTY GAMES, NINTENDO!"

Yes, because it's obviously Nintendo's fault that 3rd party companies refuse to make "proper" games for the Wii, isn't it?

inphanta

I can easily see the two upcoming LEGO games trouncing LEGO Star Wars on the basis that a lot of people probably passed on buying LSW:CS on the basis that they already had one or both of the previous installments on at least one system and didn't feel like rebuying so many missions. With LIJ and LB, it'll be all-new content, and people will probably buy for one of the current-gen consoles over the PS2.

@MrBionic:
But Sonic's Sega. It's probably easier to spin it off to a 3rd Party Dev for legal reasons, even if Nintendo came up with the idea to start with (which I sorta doubt).

@unit:
Well, the XBox was _barely_ leading the Gamecube in the last generation, and the 360 did hold the position of top-selling console during the year prior to the Wii's launch, so...M$oft?

Purple Dave

I fully expect the big 3 to show up I am just starting to expect more from nintendo. More pikman less mario-injected anything. Hell if they put the same variety of games we see on the DS to the wii we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

slapBOXmaster

@unit: gamearts "co developed" the game, which probably means some of the art/programming work was fished out to them by sora, who im sure did all of the actual planning. sora was formed by sakurai san, the former hal laboratories employee who was responsible for smash in the first place. hal labs is pretty much nintendo.

@slapBOXmaster: so wait.. what youre saying is that when ppl buy a nintendo console, they shouldnt expect the games that made them famous to show up in full abundance? i mean... if any of the last metroid, zelda, and mario games were garbage, maybe id agree. nintendos holding up their end of the deal, and they do branch out and try pretty interesting things quite often id say. i will give you this, nintendo rarely puts new franchises out, but id argue that pikmin, animal crossing, wario ware, eternal darkness, and even chibi robo were some great games. donkey kong jungle beat is probably the best donkey kong ive ever played, and yeah, i saw that you werent a metroid prime fan, but i thought it was cool. no, metroid wasnt an fps to begin with, but i dont feel like im playing an fps when i play any of the prime games. mainly because shooting a gun isnt the focus of the game, platforming still is a key factor, which you dont do in halo, call of duty, or whatever. but hey... its true, metroid IS better in 2d, i just say that samus' 3d outings werent so bad either. now castlevania, lets not talk about 3d castlevania *sniff*

shouryuuken

@Torgen thinks AAA means "Costs $60":

I wouldn't rant on BC because the side scrolling remake is exactly what I would want to see happen more . If for no other reason than to hopefully start seeing more sidescrolling 2d style games. Not every game has to go 3d and it doesn't always work.

Mario 64 worked because the game was actually good. The whole thing felt very natural. In stark contrast to metriod prime which felt very forced. It was like the exec's said " Hey all the other guys are making a killing with FPS's but we don't want to let someone else create a new IP so lets shoehorn Samas into the genre."

Metriod was not a shooter. It was more like Zelda than Halo. Same thing with Castlevania which was more like Metriod and less like Devil May Cry. The Translation to 3d killed the concept of the original games.

slapBOXmaster

@Sabre_Justice: Okay, no more long name.:

Honestly. The First Prime game. Before that I had high hopes for the series. The translation to 3d broke some of the big things I liked about metroid.

Namely being able to actually see the landscape. In prime I always felt like I was in a tunnel instead of feeling like it was an open world. It ruined the exploration part by not providing enough variation. And I personally felt that metroid ( like castlevania ) should have stayed in 2d. Nintendo could make a great metriod game I just don't think that game would be 3d.

slapBOXmaster

@slapBOXmaster: Nope, you're way off.

What's sad is that No More Heroes will never be on that list.

KM91

@slapBOXmaster: When was the last time you actually PLAYED a Metroid game?

Sabre_Justice: Okay, no more long name.

@slapBOXmaster: Mother Brain hasn't been the boss of a Metroid game since Super Metroid, which was 15 years ago. Unelss you're counting Zero Mission, in which case I can't wait to see your rant on Bionic Commando Rearmed.

Torgen thinks AAA means “Costs $60”

@xgenius: Whaaat? How the hell do you come up with that idiotic phrasing? Do you see any other system that has motion control...that actually works I might add. That's pretty damn creative in my book.

Jac21

I think the reason why we have yet to see a good third party game reach the million mark is because they have only recently started happening. Yes, granted we already have games like Resident Evil 4 Wii edition, but the newer good games in the pile: No More Heroes and Zack and Wiki are only recent additions and might require a few weeks/months before they have a chance to reach the million watermark (thats if the do).
Hopefully, as time goes on, more strong third party games will release (De Blob has my attention, strongly) and we see a variety over the million seller mark. I just hope these games are not programs dressed as games. I am not afraid of trying new experiences, but i just want a variety of entertaining games with depth rather than some of the shallow games we have at the moment.

TheInquisitor

@Fonzy: That doesn't make any sense at all.

Jac21

@notalkjustrock:
"IP is a different subject than design. Being slow on IP innovation is a legitimate complaint, saying that Mario Galaxy is a rehash of Mario 64 is pretty silly.

I'd argue that Wario Ware is a new IP, as well."
Exactly. Assasins Creed and Gears of War were new IPs and did they do anything really original? hell no

Mario Galaxy? Originality in spades despite being an 'old' IP.
Calling Mario Galaxy a rehash of Mario 64 is a statement made by angry fanboys who can't take the fact that there fav console is being beaten by the wii

@Mr. Fap☆Fap!: *Sniff* I believe in Secret Rings too!!! I believe if that sold well it might give Sega the message: Hold on! People don't like shit Sonic games!

excel_excel

This just goes to show that the only third party games that sell are mini game collections or ports/variations of existing games.

When a new, creative IP such as Zack & Wiki makes it on the system, then 3rd parties will support it more. As it stands, a number of companies are losing their shirts with their Wii strategies.

I still think that the average Wii owner will buy no more than 5 games over the life of the system.

Bonkerjerks

I wonder what Cooking Mama's sales are in comparison . . .

I WILL HELP YOU.

peAr_nectAr

@Voteforme2020:
that's becasue just about every single person who owns a x360 bought gears of war and a large majority of x360 owners are not casual gamers like those on the wii or even the ps2. The ps2 has an install base of what like over 100 million? so why haven't games like MGS, God of War, Ratchet&Clank etc. sell like over 50 million units? Becasuse everyone who owned a ps2 aren't hardcore gamers that buy up every big game that comes out.

Im not saying it's a bad thing, it just shows you the audience is very different for the systems. the wii is getting people curious about gaming, so you can't expect a person who never played games before to go run out and start buying games up like crazy.

unit

@Voteforme2020:
Franchises?
What game has sold over a million on any console that isn't a franchise or First party game?

munniec

@shouryuuken: When people mention party games.(as i did) It is not the fact that they are party games but the fact that people are asking for great original single-player games that don't involve squashing goombas , shooting doors to get them to open, or trying to find that red boomerang and silver bow and arrow again.

People want more from their investment in Nintendo hardware and they are not getting it. They haven't been getting it for at least 2 console generations.
Yes mario , link and samus are good characters but If i have to settle for playing those 3 games over and over every console generation I will make the wii the last nintendo console I buy.

On the other hand sony and microsoft have not been able to pull a Nintendo/Capcom and release the same tired games with minor tweaks ( Mega-man) Or a different view point like the 3d zelda games and metroid games.

With out even looking at the games I can tell you what will happen in Metroid 4 - return of the Metroid.
Samus having "defeated" mother brain for the 30th time flies off the planet she was on in 3 and gets a ( GASP ) emergency call from some unknown but assumed to be important person that they are under attack. Cut to playing the intro which may or may not involve you escaping from that place before it ( wait for it ) blows up. Then you end up on some unknown planet where you have to get all your powerups before you discover that ( DAMN IT ) Mother brain is back.... and this time she means business. Metriods come to your aid and after killing the old brain the planet goes into meltdown ( somehow Mother brain is so leet her death destroys planets) All the while running through the same 14 corridors and killing the same 30-40 enemy types.

Did I get it right?

slapBOXmaster

@shouryuuken:
yea, nintendo didn't even make smash bros. brawl, the studio GameArts did!

unit

@notalkjustrock: awesome point. I will always point the finger at 3rd parties. Lazy 3rd parties and idiotic marketing teams. Look at Medal of Honor: Heros 2. EA should be ashamed. That game shipped glitchy, buggy and felt like a throw away port. I don't care what the rosy eyed reviewers want to believe. MoH:H2 is terrible. EA didn't even try to make a competent 3D engine for it. They just enhanced the PSP engine. Look at Metroid Prime 3 and compare it. It's tragic.

RANT!!!!!!!!

We won't even talk about UBI's crap development practices.
But we can talk about Capcom's. I still have yet to get an answer to why Wii can't get a version of Devil May Cry? It doesn't have to be a port of the recent build but damn, some kind of fan service would be nice. Even DS got Ninja Gaiden. Nintendo is laughing all the way to the bank with SSBB. Did it take a genius to realize that the only other title that could compete with Brawl even a little would be Power Stone? Zak and Wiki is nice and Okami is all well and good but RE:UC? Did we really need yet another rehash of RE1-3? I'd take a new Powerstone over that any day of the week. Where's a 3D remake of Strider for Wii? Not the Genesis version, the original NES version that had Hiryu, Kain and that chick I never liked. How about a remake of Code Named: Viper?

RANT!!!!!!!!!!

Namco...why the hate? You release that piece of shit Soul Caliber Legends and actually expected it to sell? Did anyone on the dev team actually play that trash? I'm guessing "no" otherwise it would have never shipped in its current form. Why couldn't we get Soul Caliber Plus or something like that? A soul caliber fighting game (minus the motion control) made just for Wii since obviously Wii isn't getting Soul CaliberIV. Namco could have given the Wii SC two specific characters not found in the 360 and PS3 versions and skip on the motion since all Wii games shouldn't be forced to use it.

RANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It goes on and on. Too many developers turn pathetic when it's time to develop for Wii. Nintendo isn't helping the situation. Online functionality is crap overall. Sure it works but jeez, I can't tell when my friends are online unless I go into the game and log on to nintendo wifi first. I should be able to tell when my friends are online as soon as I turn on the console. I should NOT need a lame ass friend code to play with my friends and I certainly don't want to use TWO friend codes just to play with my buds. It's retarded. No chat is a violation when even DS supports it. Where the hell is the online lobby channel? Why don't we have a channel that we can go to just to chat with friends, talk about real matters of interest instead of the stupid Voting Channel questions..."which smells worse? Bad Breath or Smelly Socks?" Who gives a shit? How about I'm not trying to smell either. Why can't I play my VC games on my DS? Why can't my DS connect to my Wii? Why can't I have online support for my VC games? Why has VC sucked hard for the last few weeks?

i want some damn quality on the Wii and I'm sick of the excuses.

end rant/

Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.

@Soroks: But I've been seeing a lot of press for Obscure the Aftermath on Wii, especially on that *IGN* crap (uuugggghhhhh).

cracker_vizzo

Of the list above there are only 3 Wii- only games here - two are party games and the other would only be interesting to someone who has played the other RE games. The rest are multi platform or ports with wii controls .

Point : That if you only own a Wii your choices are so limited in so far as decent single player original NON - Nintendo games that these games are your only choice.

This has sadly been the trend for the last 3 nintendo consoles. Most buy them for mario , zelda , and metroid and the other titles tend to be niche market games ( party games ) timed exclusives ( RE 4 Gamecube ) or just filler. I bought a Wii and it has been collecting dust for the last 3 months for one reason - no games worth paying for and the big titles are all multi-platform so there is no reason to buy the Wii version in lieu of the 360 or PS3 version. Of the Wii-exclusive NON- 1st party original games coming out how many of them will

A:Have a single player game worth completing
B:Compelling gameplay the fully realizes the unique nature of the Wii-mote
C: Enough appeal to lure the base gamer to buy it.

From looking at the coming soon listing only 2 games both by atlus ( one of which is a puzzle game ) that even remotely seem to fulfill one of the 3 items above.

If you want games on par with what's coming around for the PS3 and 360 you are not yet going to get it on the wii. Maybe by the end of the year but not anytime soon.
Im not trying to slam Nintendo but most of the 3rd party games are ( seemingly ) uninspired attempts to milk cash from the larger install base of Wii owners.

slapBOXmaster

You see Capcom, Resident Evil is popular on the Wii. Now give us Resident Evil 2 remade with RE4 gameplay. None of this lazy RE0 porting.

abigsmurf

@xgenius: I have a strong feeling that Nintendo will produce more new IPs in the next 3 years due to the overwhelming success of the DS and Wii.

Obviously, there's going to be a Pikmin Wii, Animal Crossing Wii, Donkey Kong Wii, Wave Race Wii, Mario Tennis Wii, Mario Golf Wii, Mario Baseball Wii, Kirby Wii, Star Fox Wii, and F-Zero Wii (did I forget any??), and possibly a Pilot Wings Wii, Kid Icarus Wii.

But my point is Nintendo knows that the Wii has a wide range of demographics to satisfy. The above-mentioned games will keep the casual gamers satisfied. But they know that the hardcore gamers also need to be kept happy... And due to the influx of revenue that the money-printing DS & Wii have provided, they will use that to develop brand new IPs. It's just a matter of time of when these announcements will take place.

onomeister

@unit: Not when you consider that Gears of War is selling more on what's now a smaller install base.

Voteforme2020

I dunno, I think the Sonic franchise might be irrecoverable (except for furries).

notalkjustrock

GO SECRET RINGS, GO!
Mr. Fap☆Fap believes in you even though nobody else does!

Mr. Fap☆Fap!

@mbeck: Wasn't that the game that was hyped up the arse by reviewers and then get absolutely panned after it was too late for gamers to get out of line?

I know a LOT of people who bought Red Steel at launch and were very disappointed with it once they got back home.

@shouryuuken: its not nintendos fault that they make better games than microsoft and sony.

Thank you! Unlike Sony and Microsoft, Nintendo has the ability to produce solid first party titles on a regular basis (Mario, Zelda, Kirby, Pokemon). Those titles are classics that have endured YEARS (in some cases decades) worth of releases.

Do you think we're going to be talking about Master Chief in 20 years? Kratos? Maybe. But I doubt if it'll be to the same extent that Mario, Megaman, and yes even Sonic still exist in the gaming universe.

TRT-X

Lego Star wars on wii is awesome as hell, i have that game and very glad I bought it.

CookieMasterPunk

xgenius:

"Dirty little secret"?

If you actually followed sales data, you'd realize that the Wii actually pushes quite a healthy amount of software, and that Wii owners really are buying many games. It's just that their buying habits are more spread out among titles. Furthermore, if you can contend that the Wii only sells for Wii Sports and nobody buys anything else, or uses it much, then to accept that would imply that the PS3 is a huge disaster as well, since the Wii both pushes more software overall and requires fewer sales to be profitable.

I don't buy it. The Wii is in great shape, the PS3 is doing 'okay' considering its situation. The Xbox360 is doing fantastic. In software terms.

slash000

I can't read half of these comments without nerdraging.

Josh*

@TheEngineer: Kirbytheslayer is awesome.: they just play wii sports. its all they give a shit about.

i must admit, the boxing is pretty badass though.

Terroris

@xgenius:
I forgot about Sports. I don't have it, because I got a used Wii. Me and my friends are all pretty serious gamers, and we almost never play Sports, but now that I think about it, almost everyone else I know with a Wii plays Sports all of the time.

TheEngineer: Rocking the Goggles

@xgenius: IP is a different subject than design. Being slow on IP innovation is a legitimate complaint, saying that Mario Galaxy is a rehash of Mario 64 is pretty silly.

I'd argue that Wario Ware is a new IP, as well.

notalkjustrock

@notalkjustrock:

I think Galaxy is great, but I think we would all benefit if Nintendo produced some original IPs. What was the last one......Pikmin?

xgenius

@xgenius: nintendo doesnt make 90% of the mario games.. only kart and the official sequels that only come once every 5 - 6 years.

shouryuuken

no real suprise considering resident evil, guitar hero, lego and mario and sonic are already successful franchises. Already successful before the wii came out. Quite impressed with mysims reaching close to 1 million, shame on those 1 million who bought red steel though.

mbeck

@TheEngineer: Kirbytheslayer is awesome.:

That's the dirty little secret, they aren't buying cause most aren't playing. Or at least not playing anything other than Wii Sports. Out of the 9 Wii owners I know, no one has touched their Wii very much except for Galaxy or making Miis when friends come over. All of them are on their 360 daily.

xgenius

lol here we go again "blah blah blah party games, casual, mini games, hardcore." like everybodys a games expert.

first of all.. mini games and party games sometimes can be fun. rayman raving rabbids was actually a pretty creative and entertaining game. i only thing red steel sold because the idea of the sword and gun with the remote is pretty spectacular, just poorly executed, heres hoping the sequel is worth while.

i find it funny that so many ppl always comment on resident evil 4 being a remake, when i dont remember anybody whining about capcom doing this previously. they remake resident evils like squaresoft remakes final fantasies. dreamcast, gamecube, and even ps2 got resident evil remakes. but now that the wii has one that actually gives the game a whole new experience, everybodys gotta be a critic.

lego star wars is a very good game, and sonic and the secret rings had potential to be much better than that rubbish that was on ps3/360 (although i was hoping that game would be cool as well).

anyways though...

its not nintendos fault that they make better games than microsoft and sony. alot of ppl fail to remember that nintendo started out in the game industry making games not consoles. if third parties want to compete, make something worth while, i think only 2 games shouldnt have been on that list, my sims and carnival games. everything else i could see why it deserved to sell, or why ppl would have interest in them.

shouryuuken

@xgenius: Have you actually played both Super Mario Galaxy and Super Mario 64 or are you just whining?

notalkjustrock

Resident Evil 4 is particularly good - but I played it all the way through on my GC so I wasn't about to start playing it again on the Wii.

Mr Butterscotch

If there are so few third party games that are selling well, then what the hell are people buying? Brawl has sold only like 3 million copies, and same with Galaxy. There are over 20 million Wii owners. They must be buying something if they aren't buying first party games.

TheEngineer: Rocking the Goggles

Can't wait for Nintendo's great game designers to give us yet another Mario64, MarioKart, Mario Soccer, Mario Tennis etc etc.

xgenius

Well I guess is better than the gamecube.

chacho

That list is laughable ,and it will add soon the despicable Game Party.

Iberianpower

The major problem is that with the Wiimote you actually need really good game designers, especially in the area of user interface, to build a good game. With the 360 or PS3 you need to invest in art assets and graphics engines, but you can get away with rehashed last gen or even two gen's past gameplay. How many PS3 or 360 games play almost exactly like a PS2 or XBox game with higher resolution and more things going on at the same time on screen?

Almost an equal investment must be made in the area of UI and design to create a decent Wii game. That's why NMH is a good Wii game, a great game designer worked on it. If you continue to have second rate designers create Wii games you aren't going to create good Wii games, period. Luckily, Nintendo has a good percentage of the best game designers on the planet, including the best game designer ever.

notalkjustrock

The problem is not so much that you can't sell games on the Wii - it's that the games that sell well on it tend to be crap, and that only encourages publishers to sell crap and not good stuff. Every system has its share of that (360 included!), but it feels like the Wii is really getting punished by it.

Erwos

Guys. No More Heroes and Zak and Wiki aren't getting crap sales because of the Wii or the Wii user base.

They're getting crap sales because they received no hype and no marketing.

In Europe, Zak and Wiki is selling extremely well. Because they actually have a marketing campaign for the game over there.

No More Heroes? Ubisoft virtually did not advertise or market the game at all in the West - and they didn't care to, because they had virtually no investment in the game at all. They didn't invest time or resources into its development - they just paid a small fee to publish it in the USA.

And how many copies did they publish? Launch shipment was ~200k. That's it. They didn't expect it to sell awesome, but they budgeted their payments to publish it and their cheap web-banner advertisements in order to be profitable with low sales.

Based on NPD data, NMH is selling much better than Killer7 did on either the PS2 or the Gamecube, which sold something like 30k and 70k respectively. The last NPD numbers put NMH on the Wii at about 105k sales.

Let's face it -- Suda51's games are niche, and always will be, unless he can make his games that appeal more the mainstream, and can get a publisher that actually MARKETS the thing. Until then, nothing will pull sales into the millions.

Also, NMH was seriously gimped with it's EU and JPN releases; the lack of blood seriously hurt the game's style. Accordingly, I suspect it hurt the game's image and thus its sales a result.

So there you go. NMH and Z&W are bad examples because neither of these games had the marketing budgets of Assassin's Creed or Call of Duty 4 or Guitar Hero or any of those things.

slash000

@unit:

I think the real problem is because Nintendo built a machine with last gen tech, we are not seeing many A-list game developers working on it. Video games are still 90% a visual medium and the best developers are almost always looking to push the visual envelope. They have moved on from GameCube technology. If Nintendo is able to built a console on par with the Xbox720 and the PS4 next go around, things may be different.

xgenius

Really sad list :(
They got a few good games and those didn't sell well .. that sucks
It's like the control is limiting the games instead of helping .... at least for 3rd party devs

symphony_of_the_night

Actually it would be Ubisoft's fault for doing almost no advertising for No More Heroes.

It's not like Sony and Microsoft were dropping mad stacks to advertise Assassin's Creed, that was Ubisoft. If Ubi had spent one tenth of AC's marketing budget on NMH we'd have likely seen that end up a million seller.

notalkjustrock

@ErskinPig:
it seems developing for the wii requires too much thought for most developers so they just opt out which i think is sad.

unit

It's really sad. When it's all said and done we will look back on the Wii as a financial success but a creative failure.

xgenius

It is sad to see No More Heroes isn't on the list. That is one of the best games on the system. The only problem with the Wii is the fact that the Wii games get zero press. How many times do you see a non-Nintendo Wii Game get a cover story on any gaming magazine? Never.

Nintendo doesn't utilize journalism as an outlet for critical analysis or as the most import thing for them as a company: A marketing tool.

Soroks

@Voteforme2020:
it is important and that is why people are buying the wii, for the enterainment value, as well as those games. they may not be our cup of tea but someone is enjoying them!

unit

Nintendo are partly to blame for marketing the Wii in a specific way. But any dev that wants to put out some 'mii too!' crap knocked up in 6 months can expect their stuff to fail miserably, and deservedly so.

You've been given an opportunity to do something radically different with the Wii. Stop wasting it.

ErskinPig

You're surprised Mario + Sonic sold over 3 million? Are you a games journalist?

No More Heroes will probably end up with ten to twenty times better sales than Killer 7.

notalkjustrock

Of those listed, the only ones worth owning are a rehash of a PS2 rehash of a Gamecube game and a mono-only music game that has no multiplayer or dlc to speak of. Yes, that's a great list. On top of that, that's only about 5 or 6 games compared to the couple hundred games released already.

KirbyMorph

@unit: I always thought entertainment was more important than money.. Apparently I was wrong. I think I'll go back to playing Okami now.

Voteforme2020

@Stimpy: Vgchartz. It may not be 100% accurate but I always maintain it's at least close enough to be useful. Also it's the only place that does worldwide weekly numbers.

And actually vgchartz has just recently had RE:UC and Star wars:CS pass 1million on wii.
The full 3rd party million+ list is
Mario and Sonic,Gh3,RE4, Rayman raving rabbids, carnival games, sonic and the secret rings, Red steel, RE:UC, LSW:CS. So 9 3rd party million sellers.

7 for the PS3 and 27 for the 360.

Zim

@Sailorcancer:
I love Okami, but that game isn't going to sell shit.

mywhitenoise

As someone who sells video games, I can vouch for the success of Carnival Games, at least in my market.

Carnival Games: Great shovelware, or greatest shovelware?

DOC409

So basicly, on the list there's a remake of a gamecube game, a shitty minigames game, a game that was released on every console and was a guaranteed win anyway and of course there's a SEGA game, which nintendo owns, that includes Nintendo characters ...

I'm not impressed at all ! But than, you don't need anything else that Smash Brawl on the wii anyway !

Shteve

@Voteforme2020:
"That list doesn't help a Nintendo fan's argument.. it just makes everyone else laugh." that is true but also who else can say their system went from last place to first in no less than a year beating out the competiton that's 10x more powerful than them? Zing lolz.....

unit

sauce on no more heroes sales?

HAGE

Why are Zack and Wiki and No More Heroes not on the list? Come on people! :'(

SuperFox

Define the word "game" the main things that are selling on the wii are mostly "casual" games except for a few "hardcore" games. i expect third parties to sell well on the wii if they put out certain types of games i dont expect 3rd parties that put out "hardcore" games to do too well. Look at Suda51's game No More Heroes. Great game but it is not selling well at all.

mooseyfate

Interesting. Does anyone know of a place where we can see the million sellers for the 360 and PS3? Not trying to start a flame war, just curious.

Stimpy

@MrBionic: Quite a few Mario games weren't developed by Nintendo, just produced.

kuraitenshikun

That list doesn't help a Nintendo fan's argument.. it just makes everyone else laugh. Sorry. Oh, and what sells on the console are franchises and mini-game collections.

Voteforme2020

"Wii Third Party Games Can Be Million Sellers Too"

*gasp* There goes the PHYSICS in my world =(

Ruglia

Nobody says it's impossible. The point is that, relative to the install base (390 trillion at this point?) it shouldn't be as difficult as it is.

Moonshadow101

Okami will destory these sales! Not only that but the new Fatal Frame will be out in stores for a month and then shoved away only to be worth $70 on eBay.

Sailorcancer

wait.. Mario and Sonic at the Olympics is a third party game? By who? (Don't answer that, I can look it up). I just assumed it was Nintendo. I've never seen a game with Mario in it that wasn't Nintendo.

MrBionic

It's not interesting, it's sad. GET US BETTER 3RD PARTY GAMES, NINTENDO!

Fonzy