British MP - Games Let You Rape Women
The time-honoured tradition of stodgy men arguing over things they know nothing about continued in England during last Friday's game censorship debate in the House of Commons, with MP Keith Vaz showing us how it's done while speaking in defense of Julian Brazier's bill to add a censorship level above the British Board of Film Classification. In comparing the interactivity of video games to movies, Vaz unleashed this little gem:
However, someone sitting at a computer playing a video game, or someone with one of those small devices that young people have these days, the name of which I forget-- [Interruption.] PlayStations or PSPs, something of that kind."Well, whatever they are called, when people play these things, they can interact. They can shoot people; they can kill people. As the honourable Gentleman said, they can rape women."
The gentleman he is referring to is the bill's author Julian Brazier, though being completely off-base when quoting someone else doesn't excuse you from being off-base in the first place. The man can barely remember what these horribly offensive rape-machines are. When you have to struggle to remember what you were talking about in the first place it's probably a good indicator that you should sit down and shut up.
Luckily for British gamers, the House isn't completely full of uninformed idiots. Conservative MP Edward Vaizey actually took the time to check this claim out with the BBFC.
"Is the honourable Gentleman aware of any video game that has as its intention the carrying out of rape or that allows the game player to carry out such an act? The BBFC and I are unaware of any such game."Look? Sense! What could the bill's author counter sense with, but more nonsense?
"I cannot comment on the rape in games issue, but I can tell the House what Stefan Pakeerah's father said after Warren Leblanc had murdered his son. He said that "Manhunt" is a game using weapons like hammers and knives...The object of Manhunt is not just to go out and kill people. It's a point-scoring game where you increase your score depending on how violent the killing is. That explains why Stefan's murder was as horrific as it was."Aha! While I cannot comment on games that allow you to rape women as I know of none, look at this puppet on my other hand! It is a murderous puppet, with a hammer in hand! A video game puppet! Take that!
Taken, and rebutted by Minister of State Margaret Hodge, who explained that not only was the game found to have played no part in the murder, it was the victim who owned the game and not the attacker.
Perhaps the real story here isn't that Mr. Vaz decided to claim erroneously that video games let you rape women, but rather the fact the the House of Commons debates had people present with enough sense to challenge the claim. Good show!
Pro Censorship MP Claims Games Glorify Nazis and Rape [SPOnG]



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good to see that some politicians have a bit of grey matter still lodged inside their craniums, what with all the new fangled toasters the whipper snappers of today seem to be carrying around...
How is it that these guys can go up in any form of government and just spew nonsense, they should be able to excise these people based on their lack of common sense.
The fact that he is referring to that case, when it was the victim, not the attacked who had the game is just laughable. It makes him sound like a half wit.
Maybe next time he will take a shot at hula hoops saying they encourage teens to have sex or something
Or twister makes people want to have orgies in their living rooms....
It disheartens me to see people like this, the political equivelant of a darwin award, be allowed to represent anyone in society. It's heartening however, to see a group of people defy them, shoot down their arguments and bury them in facts whilst watching these idiots squirm and try to worm their way out of baseless claims...
Maybe he thought Tetris was the one where you rape...
he should get sacked it clearly shows he dont no much about what he talks about
Sorry but this guy is retarded...
Lmfao. We need some gamers in high positions in the government. That would be 1337.
Though, they'd probably spend all day gaming and never actually do anything, xD.
Keith Vaz is, and has been for years, a pillock. I voted against him when I lived in Leicester.
Unfortunately, the rest of Leicester are also pillocks, so I was outvoted.
Vaz isn't not even the Jack Thompson of England, he lacks the charm, wit, or social grace for such a comparison.
Jonman
At least some people have enough intelligence in order to understand that this guy is completely uninformed.
Treecubed
The Japanese let you molest girls and boys in search of witches, so that, you know... you can burn their bush or something... It's all very Catholic.
Tylahedras
not just rape. Orgasmic rape.
SAGA
@idrisz: LOLOL I like that scenario better.
Spaz569
Fat disgusting politicians talking non-sense about stuff they know nothing about.
FrigidAir44
@Spaz569:
I thought in custer's revenge, you save the native girl by dodge cannon balls and she have sex with you afterwards??
idrisz
@Spaz569: Custer's revenge
Spaz569
I read it as the video games shooting, and killing people. I imagined cartridges running around with bandanas tied around their heads and carrying machine guns...
When I read "raping women" I knew something was wrong.
ChellABD
@idrisz:
Apparently from some of the 'dating sim' games i've played they do like it... go figure.
Perhaps if parents didn't buy 18+ rated games for their little monsters we could all just enjoy our games in peace.
CodeGrrl
I've long since heard about a game that in fact lets you do this. I believe CodeGrrl has the correct link for info. Never tried it myself actually but who knows what curiosity might lead to.
jive238
Someone should put together a little clip show of what everyone said about Rock and Roll back in the 40's/50's and send it to all these people so they can see how stupid they now look when talking about video games.
mva5580
Don't you rape a native american girl in custer's last stand for the atari? I think that might be the only game with rape in it.
Spaz569
i wonder if he has any books on Amazon we can all "review"?
LogiGam
I hear if you play a real life simulator called "The Military", you could rape some women too.
You need a code, though.
Groodle
With video games becoming more and more mainstream, you'd think stupid, obviously ill-informed comments like these would stop. Fear of the unknown...
Wolfers
There are rape games... theres a whole franchise of them called "battle raper" in japan. It's a terrible PC version of the tekken 3 engine where you battle 2 scantily clad women (who lose their cloths as they get injured) and have rape based mini games whenever you grapple.
I just have a feeling these aren't the games he's talking about.
Spenze
@CodeGrrl:
OMG LIess.. you know those japanese women enjoy it!!!
joke aside, it's pretty funny. let's ban books and movies with violences in it as well while we on the topic of banning violent games.
I said we need to start by banning harry potter, He murder people with a wand, omg can you imagine the damage he could do if he shove that wand up someone's ass and cast a fireball!!!!
idrisz
Seriously, good show. That's not a figure of speech, it's actually a good show. Catch it on CSPAN sometime, it's surprisingly funny and entertaining.
psyci
Custer's Revenge is ruining today's youth!
Jawajoey
I know some people tend to rape characters with their eyes... But that has less to do with the developers and more to do with the person at hand.
art_zombie
Time to burn our video games, I mean rape simulators.
shadow300z
@codegrrl
Thanks?? At least now I know where this guy shops.....
GameraTheGreat
@shadow300z: I meant firewood, goddamn games making me stupid.
shadow300z
Whoever said "ignorance is bliss" was wrong......ignorance seems to be the order of the day when it comes to "gaming paranoia" by pubic officials in all nations, at all levels.
Acute Gamer
@relax_guy: lmao
dowingba
I want to rape in games! Why hasn't anyone told me about these games? OUTRAGE!!!
jinpei05
Doesn't get more ignorant than this, folks. The man has absolutely no clue what he's talking about.
Recoil
I'm going to gather a shitload of fire for the upcoming game burning bonfire. TAKE THAT RAPE SIMULATORS!
shadow300z
Yet another reason why I despise living in the UK somedays.... not only do we get shafted by release dates, are behind on PSN / Live content, get left out on offers and sweepstakes, bent-over and played with by the BBFC and PEGI ratings / censorship but now our dumb-witted MP's are doing us proud in the House of Commons.
At least as the post says there was a modicum of sense today. Shame its not always like that :(
Azrial
Ignorance is bliss huh?.....my goodness people are horrifically stupid.
gaiking
I want to move to England just so to see if anyone would ever refer to me as "the honourable Gentleman".
jarroll
I can also rape a woman whilst cooking a meat pie.
relax_guy
Rape women!?!? Hmmmm....haven't seen that one yet....maybe (by the looks of him) that feature would get him into gaming?
GameraTheGreat
Don't you love it when uninformed people made statements like these?
xbandaidx
Where can I buy the games these guys seem to be playing?
Buttah
Not for sale in the UK but how about [en.wikipedia.org]
CodeGrrl
Someone vacationed in Japan lately.
Dumari
Wow. These politicians play way sicker games than I've ever seen or heard of.
Still, like any politician he's trying to sound like he's a great font of knowledge holding forth on a subject he really knows nothing about.
the-hypnotoad
I always pay them then run them over, apparently have been paying to much.
Guttlesswonder
Can the DS rape two women at once?
dowingba
a good rape face
frostcircus
Wow.
sean09
Well Masq lets you try to rape a girl, but if you try she shoots you. So if anything the game is teaching you not to rape women, or you get shot. Or, if you are going to rape someone, be sure to bring a gun with you.
Huh, I guess games do teach you how to rape and murder.
SteveVenezia
so, apparently 2+2=17, now
obviously because he plays manhunt, it made him want to violently kill
if he's killing someone, then obviously he has problems, its not the games fault...
kokiri-kid
WHY MUST THIS CENSORSHIP COME TO BRITAIN?
Oh my beloved country is being mauled by the paws of greedy old men who care nothing for the citizens of this great nation, just because one or two evil bitches dont like violence.
Those poor children will never get to go to a football match T.T
I cant stand these left wing femenists who thing they know EVERYTHING!
LordChris915
"Aha! While I cannot comment on games that allow you to rape women as I know of none, look at this puppet on my other hand! It is a murderous puppet, with a hammer in hand! A video game puppet! Take that!"
Haha...greatest writing from Fahey yet!
Jenstar: The O.C. Ninty Rep
@Trond:
Is it me or does she sound like she's totally enjoying all the attention? That goes on for, like, 10 minutes.
Werrick
Europe Rocks so hard... if only the Didn't Censor Violence so much then I would totally move there for a few years.
Foxy_Blue
The problem for these politicians is, that the vast majority of videogamers are actually intelligent people, so they can actually counter all the BS they manage to put out just to get attention.
Krumm
The only possible comment :
Barts
Politicians make about as much sense with gaming as they do with everything else.
It's hardly surprising that they're saying yet another stupid thing that's not related to the life we actually live.
It's what they do..
Coup time!
edhe (xbl)
Keith Vaz is a slimey politician. Look him up on the interwebs.
GMC
If the only these this guy has to complain about in this day and age is a game from the early 80s with bad graphics and crude humor, God bless him.
Kovitlac
I Probably Teabagged him in Halo:)
RAPE! RAPE!
Barf#1
HAhahaha, Your face makes me rape women! XD! SO UGLY!
ffmusicdj
@Crusoe: Are you serious about the guy in the suit?
I'm fucked now.
sandwiches
Gentleman, let us all put the real problems aside and discuss the rap-age of virtual girls on virtual worlds, because this is clearly the darkest of our problems right now.
Close your eyes, and pretend we're doing something significant here, shall we?
Bokusatsu_Tenshi
Ignorant people needs to shut up. Period.
rhugghed
Now if only the rest of us (commenters come to mind) can realize how stupid some people sound when they speak about something without having facts about sed incident, this world (or at least this site) could just be a better place for it.
Hand_O_Death
@autob0n: *shrugs* It's just a game dude.
And really, if you're going to make a statement about something, accuracy is important just not to quite the hyperbole you made.
KraZe
@ShaggE: It did have a star rating system and in order to get higher rankings, have to do harder killings which are always more violent.
It's not an accurate statement, but it's not wrong.
KraZe
I think Kotaku, and many people miss the point. So what if you cant specifically name a game that has rape. Sure, its not fair for people to say false things like that, but even when they complain about voilence, Kotaku will post an article trying to bash them saying they have never played games. Well, that my freinds, is a dumb argument in and of itself. Is GTA for example, a violent game? Yes! Manhunt? Yes!
Not all games are like this, or deserve this criticism, but some do. I hate it when people against ultra voilent games get totally shut out by gamers. The point they are making is that some games are like this, and they are correct. Then comes along a site like Kotaku, and they try to bash the guy by saying he spelled the game wrong or cant remember what the console is. Ya, that totally makes is point invalid!
Both sides need to use their brains. Lots of Gamers think its fun to live the "gangster" lifestyle and shoot at dumb cops (when in reality cops would blow their heads off). Any criticism of their game will cause them to freak out and make excuses, trying to say anything to ruin the accusers credibility. Then again, some people do accuse game unfairly, and they need to be held accountable.
I am just so sick of both sides. They are both so hypocritical it makes me sick
autob0n
I would think politicians in general are just used to saying whatever they damned well want and anticipate they'll get away with it. After all, chances are, their contemporaries may not be remotely schooled in what they're refering to. You just don't see a good:
"The senator from Wisconsin is a level 70 Shaman and resents your remarks!" then they rush one another and beat each other with canes. Those were the days.
Asper
@playclever: And I can't help thinking that you need to learn to read a bit better.
Nayl
@Raziel078: "Several gamers consider this game to be a prime example of why Japan is such a weird weird place."
dowingba
@Nayl: I can't help thinking that maybe, just maybe, fascism isn't the answer to videogame censorship you think it is.
playclever
Was this from SNL? Really, it was a skit right?! Hahaha.
Neer'mo
There are some freaky flash games out there where you can get your virtual rape on. Maybe that was what he was talking about.
But seriously, put an R18 stamp on games that you deem to be R18, persecute retailers for selling said games to under 18 year olds. Problem more or less solved. People over 18 should be allowed to play such games and the parents of those who arn't should moniter what their children are up to.
Our own consciousness shouldn't be handed over to the government. In New Zealand we have R18 games and only four games that have been banned (manhunt, postal 1 and 2, and reservoir dogs). However I'm not sure how strict the retailers are at checking ID, I'm 19 and I've never been checked when buying an r18 game (I've only bought two).
juliopalio
@Bal-Cleric: *shrug* I'm happy to ignore any number of crimes against humanity if it means I can safely walk the streets at night. Britain is in a bad way, I'm starting to believe extreme politics may be the only way to fix it.
Nayl
My PS2 touched me inappropriately.
YUYU
ok ok I confess, I raped woman in Sexy Beach 3.. I blame those crazy Japanese for corrupting my mind
Kaedex
@mva5580: Amen, brother. Someone should do the same w/ comic books... Same argument, same result...
what0080
seriously, why can't we hear about these things from the UN-elected "aristocratic" House of Lords?
Something to give us...erm..something to rail against those "despicable" Lords, Barons, Dames, Baronesses so we can hang high the flag of revolution, ala republica!! down with the monarchy!
but noooooooooooooo....it has to be our democratic elected representatives.
cheers!
thanks for reminding us that we can't even elect bright people when we are given the freedom to do so!
So close to electing our own George bush....so close...
We will get you one day you tyrannical and...erm..oppressive Queen you and your military serving offsprings in those distant battleground that you obviously have nothing to do with but...must....be...blame...for...something....
>_>
Onizuka-GTO
Geez, of course you don't rape women. You check girls to see if they are witches.
God, these people.
FhnuZoag
I murder people to raise my gamer score
RagingTowers
Actually... There is a rape simulator released for PC in japan, it's not like those psycho hentai/dating sims... its something MUCH worse.
i shall not speak anything more about this, but if anyone in interested in see how evil and sick human mind can be, the name of the "game" is Rapelay. You can find a pretty complete review of it in SomethingAwful.com
carbonelli
Well, it's not like there aren't games in existence that feature rape. I mean, the japanese have a few, at least, and in today's global society it is feasible that a European, yes even a "european" could formulate a way to (dare I say it?) import a game from japan and play it!?!? I think they could. Plus, who can prove that Kratos had consent?
Goatgamer97
Well... the japanese do love their rape sims.
okenny :)
I don't want to viciously murder people, I really don't. But my god, I NEED POINTS. I NEED. NEED. NEEEEEEEED MOAR POINTS. I live for points. And if I must murder for points, then god dammit so be it.
Furious_Liver
@jarroll: if the honourable gentleman poster I am replying to would check plane fares, he would fine it was quite reasonable - considering the benefits from visiting old blighty. Namely us Brits pretending to be half as posh as we used to be.
Pombar
As the honorable gentleman says, I'd hit it.
deathbunny
Keith Vaz is an idiot. People should know better than to listen to him by now.
Edward Vaizey... I hadn't heard of him before, but apparently he's the Shadow Minister for Culture, and I am delighted that there is someone in such a role that takes a stance like this with videogames, and (more importantly) FACT.
playclever
"As the honourable Gentleman said, they can rape women."
Quote of the week?
Sean Grimm
@badasscat:
And I continue to be amazed that Keith Vaz still collects a salary each month at the expense of the tax payer despite being a totally incompetant idiot. Roll on the next election.
Your "Somali warlord" point doesn't stack up. I know there has been a lot of sleaze under New Labour, lots of "off-balance-sheet" deals, quangos, PFI corruption, "donations" etc... but there's no need to malign Somali warlords in that way.
kiigan
I continue to be amazed at how quickly and easily gamers take the bait on stories like this.
How hard is it to just ignore guys like this? I guarantee 90% of the people posting in this thread aren't even British.
If some Somali warlord complained about how games induced violence, would you feel just as threatened?
badasscat
@jcsunshine:
LOL. you're right. Something translated into English would be more his speed..
CodeGrrl
There are no people in videogames. Zero. There are digital characters. If you think they are the same, you are insane and should be put in an asylum for lunatics.
otakucode
When will the plague known as Mass Effect cease its relentless orgasmic rape simulating ways?!
tk.
Not to support this douchebag's arguement, but there are a few games with what could be considered rape scenes. They are produced by a company called IllusionSoft. Not that I ever played any of these games or anything...
cybereality
Vaz is a grade A fucking moron and how still has a job is beyond me. Good on MP Edward Vaizey though - it's not often I praise a Tory so take a photo!
kiigan
@CodeGrrl: I think he's more of a J-List guy, probably.
jcsunshine
I just made edits to the rapelay page that was linked above. See if you can guess what I added. Before it's reverted.
Raziel078
Wow, this guys make videogames sound a lot more interesting than they actually are.
otarumx
His face says it all.
Seven Is Darker
*puts on mask* Hello, I am captain obvious! This person has completely no idea what they were talking about, didn't get their facts straight, etc, and same goes for whoever they were quoting! *removes mask and returns to my less-obvious self*
Now that we have that out of the way...
Who cares if someone kills someone, shoots them, jumps off a bridge and commits suicide, or even rapes someone(not that any games have had rape since those adult Atari cartridges) because they aren't doing it in real life. What's that you say? It's training you? No, I don't think so. Training someone to overcome the struggle of another human being and to kill them is not possible in a simple game. You'd be better off learning anatomy to figure out where the vital organs are places. That leaves only one option: It stops these sickos before they can do something. That means the less deranged of society can pick up a game and prevent themselves from hurting others. Of course, it's not like it'll stop everyone, but it's a start. And it's not like you can point to games as a direct cause of anything. TV doesn't help, but people no longer consider it "evil child brainwashing device" and now it's just ignored. It's an endless cycle and somewhere along the lines people need to learn their lesson and just not call everything new that catches on evil. I mean, it's not like some evil brainwashing device would just get out into the public and end the world as we know it! No! That's just what Fox News wants you to believe.
Codexx
"Games Let You Rape Women"
Thats totally incorrect...
They let you rape n00bs! Who hasnt took their fill on a poor defenseless n00b, who has been downed and smoked on gears of war? It's pretty funny because all the locust are men too XD
GcRayden
I wouldnt worry. Keith Vaz has been sensationalising anything to get his face out into the media for the past 15 years - right back when he was an MP for Leicester - a job incidentally he screwed completely and then blamed his own party and peers. AND STILL GOT RE-ELECTED. See, as long as people see your face, it matters not what shite comes out of your mouth - arsehole.
quaver
@jinpei05: They're called Japanese hentai games. And, don't ask how I know. (-_-)
marklip
Haha i just realized he used the words "young people". That's so awesome
Sunjammer
Last time i checked, real life lets you rape women. I'm pretty happy if we keep it to games honestly.
Sunjammer
"With all due respect, the right honourable Gentleman is a twat!". Just as well I'm not in politics. That said I'm pleasantly surprised to find that this story leaves me with a touch more confidence in British parliament given that two members of the House were present to rebuff Vaz's sensationalistic and ill-conceived claims.
TrustyBadger
i emailed the guy who made vaz look like an idiot. he replied! he appreciates some support! hoorah.
comedy
eh, someone really needed to shout "Only in Japan!" at that thing.
ZeroBlitz
Ignorant bastards. Nuff' said.
Ulquiorra
It's a bit peeving how gamers are seen as existing only in the context of gaming.
John Doe killed Tommy Sample; John had a history of anger issues, came off his meds last week, and recently had his bike stolen by Tommy. But he played Counterstrike!
Therefore, Counterstrike made John into a killer!
/sarcasm
Linvega
@Bal-Cleric: Well way to go ruining my example. Jackass... I kid. Then, any nameless pyscho with murderous intent... They didn't all do it for press, I hope.
Garro
Public is ignorant about sandwhiches.
Guy in suit is ignorant about sandwiches.
Public notices guy in suit, instantly think he's of importance.
Guy in suit speaks out against sandwiches.
Public agrees with guy in suit, sandwiches are now believed to kill children.
Crusoe
This guy probably can't stand the idea of rape and murder simulators. He probably thinks that such activities should rather be done in real life, as all "honourable gentlemen" have done it for centuries.
He doth protest too much, like all blowhard moralists.
Sherlock_the_Barbarian
I just thank God that the ESRB and MPAA are not government organizations (despite what many people mistakenly believe). This shows the trouble of when you make such organizations a part of the government. When you give them the power of law, it just takes one or two idiot/ambitious politicians to start censorship, banning, and eventually book-burning.
TrettOff
It's never a show of intelligent, nonpartisan research to back up any negative facts about video games. It's always an uninformed blanket statement, isn't it?
Draconis
@Article:I'm impressed.
--Core--
@Volomon:
Well if he's into importing...
[www.himeyashop.com]
CodeGrrl
Years and years from now, a descendant of Bill Clinton will appear on The Tonight Show and play Guitar Hero. This "hipness" will get him elected president.
Quilt
Wow. Common sense 1, ass-hats 0
When ever I hear politicians/elected officials talking out of their ass or passing judgment all without any research, or even a general knowledge of ths subject, it scares me. They just spout off half cocked making statements that later make them look foolish with little regard to the damage they are doing to their own credibility, or the object of their slander. I often wonder what other incredibly important issues are these lemmings just going along with because someone else suggested it?
brandonf
@Garro: Some people would argue Jack the Ripper only carried on killing from the press he received.
Bal-Cleric
That reminds me of a puzzle I know...
superbabyproject
All I have to say is where does he get his games cause they sound freaking sexy.
Volomon
Rght. Let's pretend people like Jack the Ripper never existed before video games, but because of Manhunt, all violent crimes are explainable by interactive media. Right.
Garro
As others have stated, I am looking for these games. I've been getting by on just my weekly murder simulator play time, and am looking to expand in to rape simulators, pillage-simulators, and perhaps hiking simulators and cooking simulators for when I'm not raping, pillaging, murdering, or whatever else. The wife also asks that I request a social-skills simulator, so when I'm not killing and raping people, I can interact with them in a less geeky way.
RagManX
SURPRISE BUTTSEKS!
bluesquareapple
Those crazy youngsters with there PSPs and violent rape videotape games. Its not like the good old days! No back then our rape was real, so was the violence, It was so much better back then. now if you will excuse me I need to get back to the old folks home to take my pills.
This is why I'm glad I live far away from anyone over 70 years old.
Lone-Gun
This is coming from grown men wearing big ol wigs?
On a more serious note though, we really don't NEED games like Manhunt, not only do they give fodder for those against video games, there's just no value that comes from a game like this.
Maximus9
@Nayl: I can't believe you just said you would vote for the BNP. They would do slightly worse things to our country than ban video games. Racist bigots.
Bal-Cleric
Yes this would be the same Keith Vaz who accepted bribes in return for procuring passports. Aside from being a liar he is also a completely hypocritical tosspot who only likes to censor things that offend him. He's part of the corrupt Labour party currently working towards ruining Britain with their inept and idiotic policies.
photoboy