@Astrofox: Actually I'm hoping GT5 (final) will feature winding stretches of public road from around the world... the kind you see on Top Gear like the Isle of Man, maybe some Japanese touge roads too.

That's the #1 thing I miss from the first NFS game (the one published by Road & Track). The winding roads were awesome in the Viper.

@Raikkenon: I would do 10 times better than Hammond in that car, ive never raced anything that fast but im quick in a Radical

Radical is a totally different machine. I've driven single seaters (formula ford), a radical and a couple of rally cars (currently in an Evo IX). The radical was freaking awesome, but not scary at all (considering the speed, handling and braking). I think an F1 car would be very scary and make the Radical feel run-of-the-mill in comparison.

@FranUnFine: To me, slowly driving around in circles in a Suzuki Swift or something similar isn't racing and it isn't fun. It's boring.

I actually feel totally the opposite. One of the things I love about GT is the inclusion of "normal" cars. When you can win a race in a 80hp car against cars with similar (or more) power, you know you can drive. Races are at their most exciting when you have to maintain the best line and not even touch any of the other cars to win.

Doshu

God mode? Only while that flimsy F1 car cannot suffer damage ;)

Obli

How a Veyron would be an F1? Put a speed bump at the start line :P

Seriously, any corners on the circuit and the F1 would cream the Bugati.

But how about a drag race? Didn't Clarkson on Top Gear mention that the Bugati would get to 200 mph faster than an F1, even if the F1 started at 100 mph? Or is it just a gearbox thing?

kftgr

@FranUnFine: I know what you mean. I beat GT3 100% and I admit some of the races were kinda boring. Still. Even with slower cars, a race is a race. Driving an underpowered car teaches a lot about the basics and forces to learn how to conserve speed.

@Badben: I'm sorry I didn't really understand how your opinion was different from mine! From what I read, we seem to have the same point of view on the fun and challenges that come from GT. I also prefer the "normal cars" races to the crazy formula cars races. I remember how it felt when I first unlocked the formula car in GT3, and I remember going right back to my "hachi-roku" and subie! I hope GT5 has some decent rally sections.

Kaneda

F1 VS Bugatti :

@splines: On the old Le Mans track, The Veyron could have her chance again a F1:hunaudiere strait at +400-450 km/h.... always the most incredible trill before they butchered it with two awful chicanes !

Dude27

@DelSource: Lewis Hamilton? w/ EA? That'd suck. I actually loved the PS3 F1 because it looked just like watching a real F1 race. That sucks if what you said is true about Sony losing the F1 rights

PSN ID: Kadaj24

I'm certain that Sony lost the F1 license so there will be no more F1 games from Studio Liverpool. In one way I'm actually relieved; they never did anything new with the franchise. I was always waiting for a game centred not around a single season but the history of the sport. You know, the 'ring, a BRM, the chance to race as Moss etc.

Having said that, I remember seeing references to Hamilton signing with EA Sports which scares the shit out of me.

PD should make the next F1 game. But I don't want to wait another two years! ;o)

DelSource

I actually mistook the pix for photos!

The Great Aussie Evil

Aivan loistavaa! Hieno uutinen meille suomalaisille!

Brilliant! Fantastic news for finns!

Go Kimi!

Al87

Wow. Neckcar fans -this is racing.

wisconsinista

@grumbel: I believe the creator of Gran Turismo stated they are working on damage. However, he said it probably won't make it to Prologue, but that it could be a download patch later.

GT5 RULES!

marklip

Kaneda - I get you point, but typical Gran Turismo nuts (like me) feel it the other way around (I reckon). Personaly I find all the high down-force high-power races get very samey and boring (plus too easy); it's the street car races where the real interest lies. The varying acceleration vs. varying ability to carry speed through corners, and the detailed nuances of the various handling is WHERE IT IS AT for the true car nut :-)
Oh jeez now I'm nearly weeping I want GT5 so badly...

Badben

@Kaneda: Well, to be honest, I lost interest in GT with GT3. I really loved the first one, but for me personally, there were just too many what I like to call "shopping kart races" in GT3. They're like the side missions in Mass Effect.

If I have a racing game, I don't want to be more or less forced to drive in too many small cars. To me, slowly driving around in circles in a Suzuki Swift or something similar isn't racing and it isn't fun. It's boring.

For what good is a car park of over 200 vehicles, if - even in the real world - I wouldn't want an deven actively refuse to drive 75% of those. The first GT really had the balance perfectly nailed, while in GT3 I - at a certain point - found myself doing nothing else but driving around in my 1000HP Ruf for fun with no will left whatsoever to finish the game.

FranUnFine

"broken with tradition"? The hell, you never played GT3?

ca$h

Seriously is hard to tell real from not looking at those. I am so happy I have a PS3.

Patient

Haha, I remember F1 cars in the Pro Race Driver series... some maniac AI would come up and bang into you, your wheels tangle up, and you both go flying into a wall, removing wheels and ending the race.

The pic also reminds me how much I liked the Toyota Motor Triathlon car in GT4, that thing was neat. I'd love to see what it takes to make a real one adjust its height (it's automatic, right?)

fuchikoma

@thegunshow: QFT!I must do that too!
Polyphony I LOVE YOU!!!
(damn,it rhymes :p)

badmoogle

@ShaggE: Why? It's too hard for you? There are too many settings to set? Too many cars to try? Too many tracks to learn?

With a good wheel, you have to hate cars a lot not too be slightly interested in GT.

Kaneda

@Aastrofax

Her name is Vicki Butler-Henderson. She's one of the presenters on Fifth Gear [Brit car show].

shab

holy god, I thought those were shots of the real car..

cwilkey

Rally > F1

That would be all. :)

FranUnFine

they snagged the ferrari license, why not the whole shebang eh? good one, needs more mclaren!

iRloading

a formula 1 car, or any formula car for that matter is designed for maximum downforce minimum drag

Raikkenon

Shits! You're telling me that GT5 will let me live out my fantasies of being Michael Schumacher?! Mmmmmmmm Schumy...

s1ipstream

@Balance_In_Life (PSN): Formula One cars are less aerodynamic than any road car, they're all about downforce so their drag coefficient is worse as a result.

Itsuru

I would do 10 times better than Hammond in that car, ive never raced anything that fast but im quick in a Radical

Raikkenon

Amazing! This is why I buy every new Playstation console. Since PS1 the GT Series never seize to amaze me. The only racing game that keeps my attention for a long time. I cannot wait for this game to come out. I need to start playing GT4 again to start practicing so I can get the feel for the game and brushed my skill for online.

thegunshow

I wonder if it will be as difficult to drive as a real F1 car.

For example...

Top Gear:Richard hammond drives Formula 1

+ Watch video

Adam

reckon you can drive it around london?!

Brains

God dammit. One more reason to drop 500 bucks on a PS3. I wish Forza would do this.

Tuxy79

@NessD12: it doesnt use real time raytracing, its reflecting HDR maps of a pre rendered environment.

It does look absofuckinglutly amazing though. Almost as good as photoreal cgi animations.

I cant wait to get this game.

DUOPHONIX.com

Thanks for coming back, folks! An F1 Honda with a rudder: Awesome. I'll look it up.

When the full GT5 finally arrives then I'm buying a PS3, no doubt, even if I have to sell one of my children. I have a blonde one, she must be worth something at least :-) For GT5 Prologue, though.. I dunno. I've got 100% completion on GT4, around 20,000,000 credits and done literally 1000's of laps of the Nurburgring in all types of motors (best lap 4.57). GT5 Pro looks basically identical but with the hi-res models; am I right? Advice needed!

Badben

@dMek: Either way, bitch takes all my money. LOL.

If I remember correctly though, didn't GT3 have a variety of classic F1 cars, and GT4 have its own Polyphony GT?

Frank

@Astrofox: I'd pay for some GT5 DLC if they included stuff like this. They've got the cars super realistic now, why not add some super realistic DLC tracks...real world roadways, cities, courses, etc? Definitely.

hastyp

I've got to weigh in on this Veyron vs F1 Car debate. Absurd! The F1 machine would bitch slap that small-penis large bank account toy all over the place. It has an uncompromised highly efficient aerodynamic design, doesn't have to conform to street and legal standards, weighs significantly less, has more usable horsepower to the wheels at lower rpm and with a much more aggressive torque curve due to the lack of four turbochargers that the Veyron needs to spool up, has a much lower center of gravity and significantly less ground clearance, and has basically has a monster pair of cojones that doesn't require a set of Italian fashion designers to approve the exterior. The F1 car, on a race track, would simply bitch slap the bitch that keeps slapping the Veyron's bitch.

dMek

@Kuiper: This man wins all internets. Rally kicks ass.

splines

You know, I only played the first gt way back in the day on ps1. More and more I am leaning toward purchasing this. The only reason I hadn't wanted to purchase it in the first place was because it is a "demo" of sorts. I just can't pass up the pretty visuals and amazing customization options.

Mr Fortitude

Man, I would feel like I died and went to Heaven if Polyphony made a full out F1 game!

Speaking of which, does anyone know if Sony still hold exclusive rights to F1, and is another F1 game in the works?

-EDGE-

You know, i hope they include the veyron in the final release, because then we could race it againts this and see how it goes :D

ryivanV2

@Kuiper: Actually I'm hoping GT5 (final) will feature winding stretches of public road from around the world... the kind you see on Top Gear like the Isle of Man, maybe some Japanese touge roads too.

Astrofox

bout time we got a new f1 game dont you think? its the only reason i bought a PS3 in the first place

Raikkenon

@Ungruntled: I'm with you on that. I can't stand track-based games, except for Mario Kart.

Give me a rally game over GT any day of the week. Hurtling through a forest sideways over a jump at 120mph? Fuck yes.

Kuiper

Damn 200,000,000 credits for that car in the JP version.

Going to have to run that Class A Daytona circut 100 times to get it!

Jeremy

@kadaj24: You may be interested to know that Sony are sponsoring F1 on ITV in the UK so they clearly haven't lost interest in the sport. There is prominent placement for the PS3 in the, typically, baffling ads.

MisterSlimm

@jocaju: Bimmer man here, reporting in. M3 FTW.

splines

I hope we can see McLaren also, I'm not a fan of Ferrari. Mercedes-Benz all the way baby.

jocaju

@Badben, @Raikkenon: It apparently reached 257mph ([en.wikipedia.org]), the F2007 could probably reach 260, but not pass the 300mph mark.

Also, as Raikkenon mentioned, it had a non-standard rear wing / rudder.

Darkmoss

I live in Europe and I hate Gran Turismo. Does that make me odd? I've tried and tried to get into it, but I've never felt the love. It feels too sterile and emotionless to me. The new one feels like one of those dreams where you're trying to run away from a monster/bad guy/maniac but it feels like you are running through thick porridge. Possibly because of all the Burnout I've played...

Ungruntled

F1 Vs. Veyron = No Contest.

No matter how balls-bustingly awesome it is as a street-legal car, it's no F1; way too tubby.

The only way you'd see one win is in a straight line over a long, long fucking track. It'd basically be a race to top speed more than anything.

splines

I cant wait to play Prologue on my 1080p 42inch tv...

I would love it if they got one of the top gear guys (Hammond preferably) to voice the license tests... last prologue for GT4 had a girl... I think it may have been the girl that does pit interviews for the UK F1 telecast, anyone remember that?

Astrofox

God Mode?

More like, Spin Out On First Corner Mode.

splines

@Badben:

Yea Honda done this with their 05 chassis, on the salt flats, they took the rear wing off and just had a rudder. was pretty crazy

Raikkenon

Well that's going to be a drag in online races :D

Ragarnok

If you set up an F1 car purely for a top speed run it'd totally mince the Veryon, no problem. The main requirement would be the removal of the downforce as they are usually set to produce 4Gs in 140mph turns. Get rid of this aero-drag, put in the right gears, and you'd be looking at something very close indeed to 300mph. I wonder if any of the F1 teams can be persuaded to do this? Just for a demo of course :-)

Badben

I just wish Sony would release a new F1 game or a roster/track update to F1 Championship Edition. That was the best racing game ever, imo. Anyone know if they have anything planned for a new F1 game?

PSN ID: Kadaj24

@ManjiKengo: Thats because GTHD was running an old engine (no pun intended). GT5 is supposed to have done some CRAZY amount of pixels to make it the most photo realistic racing game of all time. GTHD is pre-alpha compared to GT5 Prologue.

Balance_In_Life (PSN)

The level of detail is insane. You can even see the driver's eyes through the helmet visor!

[img.photobucket.com]

Type-R

i want to see these screens taken from the average joes pstriple running at 1080p.

the demo of gthd doesn't even look this good.

ManjiKengo

Ferrari's the past, GT needs to get with the times. McClarn and Hamilton should have been unlockable.

This car'll fall apart near the end of the race...

MetalGearMax

@Headlam: Yeah, find a way to shave around 2000 pounds from the fatty Veyron and then that would be a beast only the insane would drive. God wouldn't drive that.

The only place the Veyron would have a chance is on a flat out, balls to the wall, top speed contest. But... mess with the gearbox on the F2007 and you'd take it out in a heartbeat.

Balance_In_Life (PSN)

@Balance_In_Life (PSN): Indeed. It also has far more downforce from the aero package, more advanced tyres and breaks, etc. An F1 car can go from 0 to 100mph and back to 0 in less than 5 seconds. The Veyron is fast, but too fat to keep up I suspect...

Headlam

@Balance_In_Life (PSN): Plus not to mention the suspension differences, the gearbox differences and the aerodynamics of each car. Not saying the Veyron isn't a fucking nasty ride, but it isn't in the F1 class just yet.

Balance_In_Life (PSN)

actually this picture illustrates what im talking about pretty well. (turns out its the actual car they show here too...at least i think it is, again not a car guy >.>;;;;)

[farm1.static.flickr.com]

demonknightinuyasha

This game is going to be sexay. the tires look weird to me, make it pop as not a real photo but other than that is looks really good. honestly i dont really stare at pictures of cars so its possible they look fine but to me they stand out.

demonknightinuyasha

@FIRST!!!: Damn... it's really freaking hard to find stats for the F2007.

From what I found we are looking at 700 HP about. Plus it weighs only 1300 pounds with a freaking driver. The Veyron has 987 HP and you are looking at around 5000 pounds with a driver. The Power to Weight ratio is on the F2007's side. I'll still take the F2007 every freaking day of the week.

Balance_In_Life (PSN)

@NessD12: You're right. Though replay mode looks amazingly close to that. As for gameplay graphics though...yeah, it doesn't look that nice.

Luke Plunkett

@Tenchuu: @beeawwb: Yeah, but those were old F1s.

F090/S (F1, McLaren, Senna, 1990
F094/H (F1, Williams, Hill, 1994)
F094/S (F1, Williams, Senna, 1994)
F686/M (F1, Williams, Mansell, 1986)
F687/S (F1, Lotus, Senna, 1987)
F688/S (F1, McLaren, Senna, 1988)

@Balance_In_Life (PSN): Not excactly. Veyron's 0-60 is about 2.4. That's almost F1 territory already. And, it does go faster than F1 cars.

F1's are limited at a little over 200mph, since they really don't reach those speeds.

FIRST!!!

@goalielax: Look at how it looks. I've played enough prologue and looked at enough screens and videos to tell you that that's photo mode. How do you think they took the picture from the front of the car like that? It's photo mode. The game looks damn amazing trust me but if it looked that good i might just toss my pc in the trash. Gt5 is still the best racer i've ever seen or played trumping even gtr2.

NessD12

i missed it...where does this say it's photo mode?

goalielax

@beeawwb: Equivalent, yes, but not an officially licensed Formula 1 car.

Luke Plunkett

They weren't the official.

This is photo mode. Forza's 2 photo mode isn't quite as jaw dropping but looks pretty good. Gt5 uses some sort of real time ray tracing in it's photo mode to make it look this good.
[en.wikipedia.org]

NessD12

Umm, correct me if I'm wrong, and I probably am, but wasn't there an F1 (or equivalent) car in Gran Turismo 3? I seem to distinctly remember (years ago) winning a Polyphonic branded car from one of the endurance races.

Google image search is supporting my mind it would seem...

beeawwb

Well the series had F1 cars since GT3 although not official F1 cars. But that picture I swore was real when I first saw it 0_o.

Tenchuu

@joelface: Or you can buy something with way more raw horsepower than the competition, smoke them off the line and slam round the outside barrier on corners.

Good times!

randomnine

Nah, you don't HAVE to slow down on the corners. You use the handbrake and slide!

ryivanV2

Nice, but lack of damage model will be even more obvious with a F1.

grumbel

now... that is going to be fast.

the only thing about gran turismo, is that you have to learn to slow down on the corners, and learn to take them at EXACTLY the right angle.

also, you kind of have to mess around with some of the "guts" to tune your car to a way that really suits your racing style.

but, after you do that, it can be REALLY fun. although it takes a lot of practice, and can be frustrating if you aren't a fast learner.

joelface

@ryivanV2: *Car Geek Alert* The F2007 would smoke the Veryon on any road course. The only thing that can race a F1 car would be another F1 car. And I actually think the Veryon would get smoked in the 1/4 mile too.

Balance_In_Life (PSN)

I might have to sell some stuff and get a PS3 already.

thinkfreemind

@FIRST!!!: Bugatti Veyron?

ryivanV2

Gran Turismo: Great for jaw-dropping screenshots, but the gameplay doesn't interest me in the slightest.

ShaggE

Oh My God!!! Oh My God!!! Oh My God!!! Oh My God!!! Oh My God!!! Oh My God!!!

And since BMW, Mercedes, Renault, Honda and Toyota will most likely be in GT5, they each also have a Formula One team. So hopefully their F1 cars will make an apperance in GT5 too. Otherwise, what will the F2007 race against?

FIRST!!!

That image actually made me gasp! God this game is gonna be fucking amazing. Wow.

Balance_In_Life (PSN)