Looks like Queens is in it, now if I can find a lookalike Astoria maybe I can find my house!

Trowble (XBL/PSN)

@Mike Fahey: It's the same in Oregon. You are not legally allowed to pump your own gas. This is because there are very little jobs in Oregon, so they make gas stations hire "pumpers" so that people can be employed.

COLDBLOODED_BMC

@Awrex: Man I know that, yea we're on the same island, blah, blah... But there are lines and boundaries that aren't to be crossed except on the G train! You can just plop Brooklyn to the east of Manhattan... its... wrong!

Zenshai

Looks just like how the official website showed it, but with more detail. Looks pretty official to me.

RaepGoblin

Algonquin probably refers to the famous hotel in Manhattan by the same name. Home of the "Algonquin Round Table" where noted authors and intellectuals would meet, in the 20's I believe. Maybe they still do, I'm not sure.

[www.algonquinhotel.com]

mr.dandy

Wow! It's looks like two San Andreas areas, plus the areas for Vice City and Liberty City. That's so cool, but imagine how long it would take to get from place to place.

TheMysteriousStranger

Excellent Smithers...Excellent...

PhilESkyline

oh my god! oh my god! oh my god! oh my god!

I NEED THIS GAME

Go Team Venture

@liquid_kore:
+ 1, I was just going to ask why he didn't take a pic of the poster until i realised there cant be one!

(unless of course the paper it is printed on can bend dimensions and display a 3rd side, or, even better - upon completing this and the next 100 GTA games you place the map edges side by side to give a big GTA image (a la Mr Men books!))

macksed

Nobody got suspicious about that janitor with the camera...

goliathvv

@BigWeather:
haha..right up the road from ya..well about 30mins

enewtabie

@Zenshai:

Yeah, man, Imagine if Brooklyn was on the same land mass as Queens. That would be totally screwed up! Only thing that would be worse would be if they were both on Long Island. Can you imagine?

Awrex

@3inst3in: I thought that was San Andreas.

kingclip

What the fuck. Where is Brooklyn? Don't even tell me its part of that eastern distinctly Queens-looking monstrosity.

Zenshai

On the left side of the map there are two bridges leading to an island off the map. Future expansion areas maybe?

acidream

On the left side of the map there are two bridges going to another island. Future expansion areas maybe?

acidream

I think they just took the pics down from their site

Guttlesswonder

@Garrison Dean: ??? That does not sound like the turnpike Roy Rogers at all.

ProfWho

@BigWeather:
Cary being "Concentrated Area of Relocated Yankees."

BigWeather

@enewtabie:
Haha, yup -- Cary.

BigWeather

@ProfWho: seriously dude... Bathroom attendants and valet parking.

Garrison Dean

@Garrison Dean: I never have been to a Roy Rogers in MD. Maybe they are different there. The ones in Jersey were shit, that is a guarantee.

ProfWho

@ProfWho: I don't know. I grew up in MD, so maybe they cared more south of the Mason Dixon line. We'll just have to agree to disagree and agree that you're wrong.

Garrison Dean

@Garrison Dean: No, I remember it all too well. I remember hating to stop there on the turnpike.

I found no happiness there. Only stale fries, broken dreams, tasteless burgers, and misery. Now that I think of it....

Roy Rogers makes a great metaphor for New Jersey.

ProfWho

Only a month away. Can't wait.

seafisch

@ProfWho: Quote/Unquote RESTAURANT?!! You're asking for it. Those weren't heat lamps, they were lights that emitted flavor and happiness. Clearly you are too young to remember the power of Roy Rogers from your "childhood".

Garrison Dean

Nooooo it looks like its a map on both sides. I liked when they had a poster on one side to hang on your wall when you were done with the game.

liquid_kore

BROOKLYN!!!!
Broker??
@njhardcoreguy: "P.S. Mets > Phillies
"...i agree; although the end of last season left my gut in shambles :(

jun581

Well if it is, I'm inpressed with the size of the game :D

I do wonder how long the lead is between each island? :o

Kum0

@Mike Fahey: I think the burgers arrived at the "restaurant" ready made and all they had to do was throw them under a heat lamp.

ProfWho

@ShadowFFVI: post ftw.

secondly this game is looking fucking huge. what are you guys complaining about? wait till you get your hands on before u start sayin it is a small map. inother words,April29,2008 will answer all these questions.

zanzibarlegend

I'm pretty sure that this is real. Of course, if it's not, it's an amazingly detailed fake that can rival the real thing.

Taco Bell™

Interesting. They have certainly changed the control schema around.

Livid

Oh man, when I read this my first thought was "who the fuck cares", becuase the map is already practically on their website.

ShadowFFVI

@Mike Fahey: If you were poor you could just get a bun with cheese for like 40 cents and go nuts at the fixins bar and make a mock cheese burger. Also, in the really good old days... you could smoke in it. They were ahead of their time with Roast Beef sandwiches that blew away Arby's, the first to really play with Sourdough. And they made the Colonel look like the slave owning bastard that he really is with their crisp, juicy fried... gllaaarrrrggggg

Garrison Dean

@kingclip: you *are* in the minority. if you want terrible humor, stereotypes, and gangsta cliches go play saint's row. I'm actually thankful they moved to a more serious tone.

3inst3in

Get him, Garrison!

xot

@Garrison Dean: I loved how you never had to order. The burgers were just there.

You know what I miss? Fast food places with the clear plastic mustard and ketchup containers, with the little cone nozzles on them.

Mike Fahey

if you look at the full expanded map, it seems like there are very few points of interest. there's like 20 spots on algonquin, and all of the other areas only have 5 or so. I was kind of expecting to ahve a burger shot on every street corner. you know, dense.

3inst3in

@ProfWho: I will not stand by quietly as someone besmirtches the once great name of Roy Rogers. their dedication to great burgers, fried chicken and fixins were both their greatest asset and their ultimate downfall in this capitalist world. I appreciate they are now like the great grandparent that you have to visit, but respect them for what they once were.

Garrison Dean

@ProfWho: More importantly, is it possible to go to the border of New Jersey and kill everyone trying to get out?

InsidiousTuna

@Recury: Fine, it didn't always hit, but nonetheless, nearly all of GTA III had a toungue-in-cheek aspect to it that has slowly been drained out of each further release. If it's gone, then this is just more locker-room rape gaming. Sorry. The best part of GTA is that unlike other similar games, it doesn't take itself too seriously. I fear this one might, and therefore be a fail.

I realize I might (probably am) be in the minority on this.

kingclip

@Collapse The Control: "I wonder if it is possible for me to go to the "New Jersey" section and just stay there and still beat the game?"

Of course you cannot. Everyone knows you have to leave Jersey to succeed.

"Or i'll stand at the border of "New Jersey" and just kill everyone that trys to get in."

That is just cruel.. No one ever wants to go into Jersey. They just have to travel through there.

ProfWho

@BigWeather:
Anywhere near Raleigh,because I've seen it before..lol

enewtabie

If there is no Roy Roger's reference R* will fail to represent the shittiness that is Jersey.

I want to get off the turnpike pull up and get four hour old fries and a card board burger in drive through and have some mullet sportten guy with a sleeveless Skid Row, Slaughter, or Bon Jovi tee pump my gas.

That would make the game the best game ever IMHO.

ProfWho

Gotta love Viral Marketing...

SigmundTheSeaMonster

Looks real enough to me.

PissedPS3Fan

I wonder if it is possible for me to go to the "New Jersey" section and just stay there and still beat the game?

Or i'll stand at the border of "New Jersey" and just kill everyone that trys to get in.

Collapse The Control

Getting around in Liberty City

Everyone is on the move in Liberty City and (getting around is not for the feint hearted). Served by five bridges, a sophisticated subway (system) and the very best taxi service in the world, There are lots of ways to get from A to B. Tours by helicopter. Tours by helicopter and boat are available for *** wanting to take in *** *** of the city such as middle park or Happiness island. for those wanting to drive themselves countless *** are there for the taking on the *** of liberty city. By Land air or *** you will find a solution to beat the rush hour traffic.

Tarks

@Spectre_J: We'll see how they work that into GTA4. Hopefully they'll have some virtual Alderney guys with track suits and gold chains. Maybe some women with long nails and hoop earrings. I'd love to see Rockstar represent my state with style, class, and a whole 'lotta diners.

njhardcoreguy

@ckranger11: Oops, I meant San Andreas.

Recury

This is the biggest story of all time. I love it!

jarjarwang

@njhardcoreguy:

How about this courtesy of Busted Tee's:

Jersey girls ain't trash...
(Trash gets picked up.)

Just Kidding, Jersey and its inhabitants are cool with me.

Spectre_J

@Recury: I don't remember the GTA3 ads/parodies in particular, but I know I liked a lot of the radio on Vice City, San Andreas, and even Saints Row.

ckranger11

@BigWeather:
Haha I meant "Algonquin". How insensitive of me. =)

I was pumping gas down here in NC last month and an elderly woman asked me if I could pump her gas. I immediately thought she meant "pay for" but she literally meant that she'd pay and I pump -- she was a long-term NJ resident that drove out of state for the first time to visit her granddaughter in NC (yeah, we have a lot of transplants -- and had no idea how to do it.

I figured that was alright, since I do my darnedest not to stop in Jersey for gas because I feel very uncomfortable having someone else do my job.

BigWeather

Wow that looks big, now I want to play.

SuperMekman

@Mike Fahey: Yeah, Rockstar screwed up on that then. Hopefully they can make the change before the final release. Not that it affects the game, but with their budget and delays, this thing should be error-free.

P.S. Mets > Phillies

njhardcoreguy

@njhardcoreguy: Well apperantly it is dangerous for you people to pump your own gas

[www.thedailyshow.com]

ProfWho

@ProfWho: *chokes on Roy Rogers reference*

Mike Fahey

@kingclip: Wow, are you kidding? Those parody commercials in GTA3 were so lame they made me want to shoot myself. Leave the comedy to comedians (comedians that aren't Andy Dick).

Recury

@ckranger11:
Alconguin is a tip to the original settlers that the Dutch bought NYC's land from. There are other references to the Dutch as well like "Rotterdamn Tower".

BigWeather

@ckranger11: All match number of syllables. Well, THE Bronx does.

njhardcoreguy

@ckranger11:
Didn't they buy it from the Native Americans..I have no idear.

enewtabie

@njhardcoreguy: Oh I know, I grew up in Phili. I was just puzzling over the fact that the description for the NJ substitute says "Self-Service Gas Stations." Think they meant full-service?

The first time I returned to NJ once I could drive I spent 20 minutes looking for a gas station I could pump my own gas at. People looked at me as if I was insane.

Mike Fahey

@IronsUK:
The bridges are down due to a terrorist threat. That news broke about a month ago. While I'm not keen on unlocking the city either that reason at least fits with the setting.

BigWeather

Jersey sucks

Kidding!

NPlace

I hope Bohan isn't all just one big South Bronx area, that would suck.

Noks415

So...
Manhattan = Algonquin
Brooklyn = Broker
Queens = Dukes
Bronx = Bohan
New Jersey = Alderney

The only two that make immediate sense are "Broker" and "Dukes", is there significance in the other names?

ckranger11

@Mike Fahey: That is what I was wondering. So you can pump your own gas now? Wow. I hope they still have shitty Roy Rogers all along the turnpike.

ProfWho

@njhardcoreguy: Yay for Jersey pride!

This game is gonna be really fun, at the least. Just hope it all runs smoothly in the end. Looks like a pretty decently sized area.

Magic Emperor Anima

The map looks pretty good to me. A good size on par with San Andreas it seems and much more substance.

GTA IV will be awesome. Hopefully it's going to please the people skeptical of the franchise and earn their respect.

Regardless, I'm going to love it.

bennifer3000

@flukielukie:
I doubt it..It's great advertising in a way.Get's more people hyped up and then you have it all over the news.

enewtabie

@Mike Fahey: We've never pumped our own gas. It's against the law here. When I moved to LA, I had no idea how to use the pump.

njhardcoreguy

@kingclip: I know what you mean. It depends if they nail the "serious" feel though. If they do then great, if not then I wish they went for the easier humor option.

IronsUK

How they are doing an area this large with 1 disk and no install I have no idea...

I hope the online play requires an install Burnout style!

Jekht

How they're doing an area this large with 1 disk and no install I have no idea.

I hope the online play is harddrive only!

Jekht

My biggest fear about this game is the humor. GTA III was funny and it's been downhill from there. More funny, less serious is good, and in the previous, it's looking like this is more serious.

kingclip

@njhardcoreguy: What's with the self-service gas stations though? Did NJ enter the 21st century whenI wasn't looking?

Mike Fahey

Rockstar will be pissed with you Kotaku. Thankfully I have seen it now :D Nice work!

flukielukie

@njhardcoreguy: *not some

njhardcoreguy

I'm impressed with the size of the city. I hope you can explore it all from the start this time - it will be a bit stupid if the bridges are down AGAIN!

IronsUK

@M.O.D.O.K.: Wow. Didn't expect a comment like that. So original.

At least make an witty joke about NJ, some some overused cliche.

njhardcoreguy

Never really been into GTA,but I think I might get this.I wanna visit Jersey/Atlantic City.

enewtabie

@3xch4ng3: Yea man, that's been a key advancement for them. How it's supposed to feel way more like a shooter than the previous GTA games.

Plus, you still get all the hooker action and blowing the shit out of stuff...but you can hide behind things when it happens now! Although you probably wouldn't want to take cover when with one of the hookers, or...*drifts off*...

Books

@3xch4ng3: They revamped everything from driving to shooting to fighting. Check out IGN's many preview, and don't choke because of the water that will flow into your mouth. ;)

slomo788

@KindaGamey: I think it says:

Everyone is on the move in Liberty City and getting around is not for the faint-hearted. Served by five bridges, a sophisticated subway system and the best taxi service in the world, there are many of ways to get from A to B. Tours by helicopter and boat are also available for those wishing to take in the most historic parts of the city such as Middle Park or Happiness Island. For those wanting to drive everywhere, countless vehicles are there for the taking on the streets of Liberty City. By land, air or water, you will find a solution to beat the rush-hour traffic.

ixalon

@njhardcoreguy: I guess the developers wanted a place where they can drop acres of oil tanks.

M.O.D.O.K.

How the hell did he get this? It has already been deleted from the database!!

MasterOfPastures

I'm so glad those ridiculously large terrain expanses between the cities in San Andreas won't be making a comeback. That was the icing on the cake of reasons why I hated that game.

Mohrdikai

Awesome.

InsidiousTuna

I love how NJ was represented instead of Staten Island. I'm not crazy about the name Alderney though. How about something with "New" in the name so people unfamiliar with the Metro area know what it is?

Jersey pride.

njhardcoreguy

@3xch4ng3: Yeah, that broke a long time ago. Pretty sweet, eh?

El Patricko

Come on, that is real.
I was trying to make out the controls but it's tough. That should shed some light on things in terms of new gameplay features. Hopefully someone will zoom and decipher soon because I just don't feel like it.

El Patricko

@geoffcbassett: Rule 1.

bluesquareapple

Holy inferiority complex batman!

cdr

@blackadvent: rule 2

geoffcbassett

@aldo_14:

Yeah that hit me after I thought about it.

enewtabie

Call me a noob, but R1 is mapped for Enter/Exit Cover...??

GTA4 has a cover system?

3xch4ng3

It's not you, Interweb, it's 4chan.

blackadvent

Definitely real. R* has been locking down all the copies - including the original photobucket. I wish I could read the 'Getting Around Liberty City' section.

KindaGamey

Heh... "Statue of Happiness"...

ShaggE

The internet gives me free candy.

I trust it.

That map looks sweet.

The_Antihippy

That is sooo Cool :D

flukielukie

I never cared much for GTA, but I'm a little excited about this one. Maybe it's cuz I'm a graphics whore and like anything new & shiny.

cantbeatmegaman

@enewtabie:
Looks real..How in the hell do you get a copy so early?

Maybe knows someone at a printing/packaging/manufacturing plant?

aldo_14

@enewtabie: The last several months have only been polishing though, I'm sure. Seeing as how it was originally slated to be released long ago, I'm sure they had these details worked out long ago.

Arttemis

It looks very genuine to me. Not as big as I was hoping though.
I'm difficult to please though.

Meldy

Looks real..How in the hell do you get a copy so early?
Release is still a month away right?

enewtabie

Oooooooooo

Morberis

And just like that...it's gone.

Spoony Bard

This isn't spoiling it tho. If anything, it's advertising it...for me anyways.

IntelSilver

Looks like "my" subway line is one it.

SixSider

Damn that's a big area.

Ollivander

I believe this map is real only because It was taken down so fast after its intial leak.
************
What's with all the hate on New Jersey? I'm not from the states so I have no idea why?

goldwings

I find the best way to get a good measure of the map is to check out how big the airport is, in which case it's a pretty large area by the looks of it.

I for one am relieved it's not as big as San Andreas. Despite how much I liked jacking a truck and driving around to country music, there was so much dead space it wasn't funny. More focus on deeper urban environments ftw.

Also, Tony Soprano's house better be in Alderney as an easter-egg.

splines

If can trust the internet who can you trust? Rockstar baby!

excel_excel

I can't wait to get back to the Big Apple this summer, look around and think. "Wow, I beat a hooker to death and shot 4 cops at that corner over there just last week."

YouCanEatMe

@acidream: Nah, you're just looking at the subway map there mate.

Nosignalinput

can. not. wait.

joelface

Why do people find it so hard to believe that GameStop employees have been playing the actual fucking game for weeks now? I know at least 4 spots where its almost always being played

mowh

@mowh: No sh*t? Do you think that you could perhaps take a few shots of the HUD and email me?

About the "can't pump your own gas", that's just stupid. I know I wouldn't want some punk pumping my gas.

SovietWarrior42

mowh, You say Gamestop employees have been playing it for weeks. I say you are full of garbage. Why would you bother to lie about something like that, in the annonymous stupidity that is the internet, what could you possibly have to gain from something like that?

TheSenator

The controls say you use the shoulder buttons for driving. That could take some getting used to.

ryanwilhite

I can't wait until April 29th!

googleguru

@Mike Fahey: Nope. I'm in Jersey, and the gas stations are all still clerked by professional pumpers.

Strange Bedfellows

The font on the small text looks aggressively fake, as much as I'd like to believe it to be true.

Finchmeister

Some new stuff today on IGN about the multi-player. Apparently the characters will be totally customizable during online play.

Also, the last Roy Rogers' that was open in Illinois was considered a delicacy. Is it really considered that bad out there?

Gus Johnson's Cardiologist