@excaleranth: Dude Timesplitters FTW for reals!!
Though, if Halo's Forge editor at least introduced the ability to make objects too heavy to move, perhaps it might be good.
Aw man i hope TS3 comes out soon... im such a fan of all their games, especially the insane editor...

King Seafoam

I played a game of Sketchtrap with some mates over the weekend. They had to nerf the Hornet, you can kill someone with a few milliseconds of concentrated fire and it can take out a Scorpion tank in seconds.

This map is so a remake of Sidewinder.

TeaBean

Picked up HALO 3 last week for the Double XP weekend....
Was pleased to see some more improvements on the Playlists....

As soon as they incorporate the 1st map pack fully into the playlists they'll have me back from COD4......but lo and behold...R6: VEGAS 2 is coming.....uhoh.

Anyhoo....HALO 3 will be around for a long time to come like HALO 2. GRIFBALL...I have to say....is a BLAST to play.

GoonieGooGoo

The reason why I prefer COD4 multiplayer to Halo 3 is that because Halo 3's gameplay basically revolves around acquiring and then holding on to the "power three" weapons. I like that fact that in COD4 if I want to snipe, I can just pick a sniper loadout and be done with it.

interficium

a nerf? yet another reason to hate or love halo.

King Seafoam

@muu: nah, you could call one in when you wanted

Rockwallaby

I dont know whats worse... COD4 fanboys or Halo fanboys. I personally play both games just for fun and don't understand why people feel the need to bash either one. Why cant you just play the games and not try to give your two cents on why other people play certain games?

Madness

@LORDofDANCE: You have got to be kidding me.

I hope you dont mean polished in terms of map design, since by far COD4 has some of the most balanced well designed MP maps out there in the FPS world.

Witzbold

@Kyle81: I like how people compare weapon strengths in Call of Duty and Halo. You're comparing humans with helmets to 8 foot tall super soldiers or aliens in battle armour and energy shields. It's not remotely similar.

WatershipDown

@Amiash: oooppssss sorry wrong post

Amiash

hope i wont get banned for this;

see more crazy cat pics

Amiash

@KirbyMorph: you can always just wait a little while, and pay a whopping $0 for them, then you wouldn't need to bitch about them, how cool would that be huh?!

HawaiianActor

@Deilgyre:

Yeah, I was big on CoD4 for a month or so, but the lack of real variety bores me. The maps just seem really similar as well. and it just doesn't seem as polished as Halo.

CoD4's single player is much better than Halo, but Halo still wins in multiplayer.

LORDofDANCE

What the frack is up with Halo 3? Halo: CE had 10 single player maps, and like 10 multiplayer. Halo 2 had 15 single player maps, and bout 15 multi. Halo: CE PC had even more multiplayer maps from Gearbox (my fav devs :D), and then there was Custom Edition from the community. Halo 2 vista had a multiplayer map editor WITH the game. Halo 3 dropped to only 10 singleplayer maps and 10 multiplayer, and Forge is just a POS. Move boxes all you want, but you're still the maps bitch. We went down in the number of maps, and that means we went down in the amount of variety. wtf bungie.
P.S. DLC was not included in these figures, I do believe.
Timesplitters Map Editor FTW!

excaleranth

@coin_operated_boy:

"lol @ all the cod fanboys coming in here just to tell us they're not buying the maps. Also, it takes longer to kill in halo because you're shooting a super soldier in futuristic armor with shields. Halo combat just feels deeper and more tactical."

Agree. Halo gameplay is a chess match that has totally epic moments (Valhalla multiflag CTF FTW.) I found it amazing that so-called "tactical" players bad-mouthed Halo before CoD4 came out, yet they now love it even though it has Haloish aspects like regenerating health and jumping. Since when in real life does a soldier jump around and regain blood loss after being shot? CoD4 is simple deathmatch. CoD3 with it's vehicles was actually more FUN.

Deilgyre

@targetpractice:

and how not? you can still use cover on open maps. on cod death is a function of who shoots first most of the time regardless of weapon, as long as they don't suck at aiming. how is that better?

the weapons in halo 3 don't give you as much of an anvantage as they did in 2, and between melee, grenades, and weapon choice, you always have tons of options.

coin_operated_boy

Didn't know that realism meant being able to summon an airstrike after 5 kills.

muu

@BolognaFire:

Exactly how I feel. The gameplay is really fundamentally different. To me it can be summed up like this. CoD4 doesn't have the ridiculous, holy-shit moments that Halo has. I don't want to play a realistic sim shooter most of the time, I want to see a warthog launched 30ft into the air and stuck with a grenade. But again, it depends on what you are looking for. If you go into halo expecting one shot kills and fast, realistic gameplay, you will hate it. If you go into CoD4 expecting crazy explosions, vehicular combat and futuristic weapons you will not like the ultra-realism. Apples to Oranges.

Gray665

BolognaFire:
On the other hand, Halo gameplay is so slow that once you get your aim down, death is a function of who is carrying the better gun and sees the other one first.

"Deeper and more tactical" my arse. It's bad enough to make dodging on open maps impossible.

targetpractice

lol "snowjob" ftw

Fitz Rhapsody

@KirbyMorph: Feel free to not download them then. I will, to take advantage of special weekend playlists, as I still average four nights a week of Halo 3 (odd considering how much better a game COD4 was, but I tired of the multiplayer very quickly) and have no regrets in downloading the Heroic map pack last year even if it's going to be free a few shorts months later now that the Legendary pack is coming out.

Honestly, either buy the packs or wait until they're free.

Kermi

@KirbyMorph: Its more like YOU dont care about the maps.

Sides I really doubt the maps are "rushed out" as you have stated.

Since their last batch of maps were pretty spot on and nice of them to have listened to the community and made that "template" room for folks to build shit with forge in.

If anything Im glad to see the bungie devs still working on stuff for halo 3 keeping the community going .

Witzbold

@KirbyMorph:

Rushed out? The maps took 3 months to show up after release. They weren't holding them back.

FyreWulff

@BolognaFire: I agree. It's nice to be able to defend yourself.

JohnnytheFuture

@kojirodensetsu:

i was on the same page as you, believe me, but lately i've just felt like halo 3 needs more oomph. more variety. the idea came from having an argument with a coworker about smash brawl seeming unbalanced (my stance, his stance was that the trophy powerups just add tactical variety.)

i don't remember specifics but i argued that something like halo where everyone is the same had more balance but i think that if it could be done in a way similar to shadowrun or maybe even natural selection it could be balanced and great.

coin_operated_boy

@agdTinMan: Shocking pink.

totally shocking pink.

Witzbold

@agdTinMan: What? Your response's wording confuses me.. I did say it was snow camoed. And if in your post you're trying to tell me it's not, well the descriptions of the vehicles is what made me say snow camoed.

"Snow-capped mongoose."
"Chilled Scorpion."
"Ice-crusted treads.."
"A kinder, gentler Hornet. Stay frosty."

@coin_operated_boy: Actually I prefer everyone being on a level playing field. I remember before Halo 3 came out some people in the Bungie.net forums suggested giving your character different attributes depending on what armor you wore. I was very much against that and I'm glad Bungie never did that. Actually it's funny there's still the occasional post at Bungie.net where someone claims some armor makes you stronger, or using female voice makes you faster even though Bungie has said the armor and stuff is purely aesthetic.

kojirodensetsu

hmm I still wish when Halo3 launched there was more then 11 maps, IMO, to win over COD4, I think thats where they needed to come prepared, more Multiplayer maps. TONS. I like how there updating tho, but I hate having to dish out cash to get these maps which I think shoulda been at launch.

nypad5

@-Sigil-: they don't even include them in the online matchmakings

They include them, but they very very rarely pop up.

My own experience has been that foundry pops up maybe 1 out of every 50 games in doubleteam & team slayer.

I don't know about standoff and rat's nest, since those only show up for larger games.

/everyone in the match has to have the map in order for it to be selected. Obviously this is easier in double teams or team slayer where there are 4 & 8 players respectively. In big games, that's 16 people that have to have the content for a DLC map to be selected.

lordargent

I bought the Heroic pack, but since I play mostly double teams and team slayer, I haven't even played on a few of the maps because they're for larger games.

And I've hardly seen the smaller maps come up as well.

And I'm not into unranked games, so the DLC playlist is useless to me. Besides, that playlist isn't slayer.

/I guess what I'm saying is that I feel like I wasted my money buying the Heroic map pack instead of waiting until it was free.

/and also, there should be a big team slayer ranked playlist, it shouldn't be lumped in with ranked big team battle.

lordargent

lol @ all the cod fanboys coming in here just to tell us they're not buying the maps.

also, it takes longer to kill in halo because you're shooting a 700 pound super soldier in soopdooper future armor with shields. i for one prefer that gameplay to one where you can get a kill with 3 or 4 shots or bursts from every gun.

halo combat just feels deeper and more tactical. i will say that they should have stolen some of the perks ideas from cod, though. it'd be awesome to have your own individual spartan training. you could have one with short bursts of invis or speed but your health would be lower, etc.

coin_operated_boy

@Edge of Blade: New paint jobs for vehicles doesn't cut it for you as an announcement? Bungie always posts updates on Fridays. This one did have new screenshots of vehicles in it.

@kojirodensetsu: Um, what?!? They are all new white paint jobs. What kind of camo is it, if not snow? And if urban camo is white/grey, what would snow camo be?

agdTinMan

@Imashinu: Call of Duty 4 isn't supposed to be futuristic, hence the title "Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare".

IAMDUDE70

@Imashinu: How long did you play it for? It is very frustrating at the start (due to the fact that the ranks are not segregated), gets better and better the more you play it.

duckmouth

@Imashinu: Perhaps you think CoD4 isn't good because you think it's supposed to be futuristic? It's supposed to be modern, meaning present day. We don't currently have extremely sophisticated DragonBall Z HUDs and genetically enhanced armor clad soldiers. Some people prefer more realistic, modern-day settings and weapons than futuristic.

Mit

@BolognaFire: Agreed

LowNemesis

I personally hated CoD4. It wasn't nearly as good as CoD2. GRAW is still a better futuristic war game compared to CoD4. Also I do have to say that in Halo you wear a futuristic metal vs the regular equipment you wear in CoD4. I'll stick with halo. I really hope that sidewinder is the new map.

Imashinu

Haven't played halo in months. This 'Legendary Pack' isn't gonna change things

Woylez

@DaiMacculate: From what it seems to me the nerfed hornet is ONLY the snow-camoed one. And the hornet was nerfed because it apparently as overpowered. Which I could probably argue against since you can kill it so easily. But hey if nerfing it means we'll finally have the hornet in matchmaking then I'm all for it.

kojirodensetsu

This new level must involve a lot of salt-filled roads. No amount of snow could ever leave that much dull white staining all over vehicles.

Mit

I thought it looked more like Urban camo than snow camo.

VSpeck

So why did the Hornet need to be nerfed? I love that thing! I hope that its just on this one map or something, or that at least you can turn it back to the old specs in the options, because I love using it in custom games and Forged Maps.

Just like when they weakened the Magnum in Halo 2, which pissed me off. The Magnum should be powerful, not semi-useless. But then I'm an old Marathon fan, I still don't understand why Master Chief can't Punch people to death ;)

DaiMacculate

3 maps for $10-15 is ridiculous and a big reason no one cares about these new maps. I'd almost be tempted if the two map packs for a whopping (lol) 6 maps for 800 pts. 3 generic maps at that price to round out the generic playlist of the default 3 maps (after vetos for the crap maps, 1 map if you play big team battle) is a bit sad.

The fact the first pack was rushed otu so quickly shows they had it ready and were just holding it back to cash in on fans. Bungie won't get a dime from me until they put out non-EA like DLC that should have shipped with teh game or be free to download.

KirbyMorph

The Bungie forum kiddies are going crazy that "Cotton Ball" has to be a remake of Sidewinder.

We'll see. Still won't buy it either way. My DLC money is going to Call of Duty 4.

AnEternalEnigma

@Kyle81:
I feel differently. I like to have a window (albeit small) of opportunity to fight back when I'm being shot at.

It's probably why I'm not a huge fan of "realistic" shooters where the first player to see another is typically guaranteed a kill.

In science fiction shooters where shields or large amounts of health are involved, you usually get a chance to turn around and kill the guy firing at you; but you can't just do it by shooting him with the same gun, you need to put a twist on things (melee, grenade, stronger weapon, etc.).

My preference.

I'm definitely excited for this map pack. I wish we weren't being charged, but it's Microsoft's call on prices. Fortunately, I received a few MS points cards over the holidays and I'll be able to finally put them to use.

BolognaFire

@-Sigil-: You could just play one of the heroic DLC playlists, but they aren't ranked. There is no sure way to get them in a ranked match though.

Karazzin

@Kyle81: You and me both. I didn't play R6V online, looking forward to trying it when the sequel is released. We're not the only ones either- when I checked my Friend List before CoD4 came out most of them were playing Halo 3; since the release of CoD4, I don't think I have seen the words "Playing Halo 3" in my Friend List more than 5-6 times. Right now 4 of the 7 friends that are online are playing CoD4, and I didn't meet any of them through that game.

duckmouth

@duckmouth: I've been saying that for years. Halo has some of the slowest game play of most FPS's, and the shooting strength of weapons just makes it always feel so lame in comparison. I'll stick to Rainbow Six and COD, where people die when they get shot.

Kyle81

@kojirodensetsu: I've bought them and my brother plays alot of Halo 3 on multiplayer, he is in A-levels but dropped some subjects on the 1st year and picked some new ones up on the 2nd year, he's now in the 3rd year just finishing the remaining courses so only does and hour or two a day. He has never encountered a game with them on. Is there a way to set them to play?

Split it up so you can play them if you have them?

-Sigil-

@-Sigil-: I agree it was a rip off but your post isn't 100% accurate. They had the maps in matchmaking, it's just the problem is everyone had to have the maps. And even then there was only a chance the map would come it. This made it close to impossible to play the new maps on pretty much any playlist except Team Doubles. It's good though how when the maps become free they'll require them for certain playlists (like when the heroic DLC becomes free you HAVE to have it in order to play BTB).

The DLC playlist sucked, but they recently split it up to make it better. It's a little too late though, seeing as how the maps are gonna be free soon.

kojirodensetsu

@duckmouth: Bungie announced that when the Heroic pack was released.

mind in rewind

@mind in rewind: I see. Well, that's what I thought of at first. Guess I'm silly.

@Redface, The Dark Messiah of Justice: Can I be excited too, mum? Can I? :)

Candlejack

I want them to be free, now not in a years time. I payed for the last ones and it was a rip since they don't even include them in the online matchmakings. I do like the maps but even if they were included 800 points was a rip off.

-Sigil-

@mind in rewind: Really? Where did you get that information?

duckmouth

@Candlejack: You're reading way too much into it, Junior. It's just a map pack with a cool name. Y'know, to get you excited.

Redface, The Dark Messiah of Justice

Here's hoping for huge, vehicular carnage maps!

Valhalla and Sandtrap are NOT enough.

Coquiton

@flukielukie: Heroic Map Pack will be free when the Legendary Map Pack goes on sale.
@Candlejack: No. No. Yes.

mind in rewind

Does the name of "Legendary Map Pack" have anything to do with the Legendary edition of the game? Like, is it only available for those or something?

Or is it just....Bungie being legendary?

Candlejack

they shud have the shadow and the spectre vehiclues in the pack as well

JEE1994

Sidewinder will be amazing if it happens.

PerfectGears

It sounds like the hornet will only be nerfed if you pick the snow hornet.

Anyways I'm still hoping cottonball is some kind of Sidewinder remake/spiritual successor.

kojirodensetsu

@duckmouth: Not just walking in treacle, but also shooting treacle out of guns composed entirely of waffles. iv seen NERF guns kill people faster than the Battlefield Rifle.

CitStream

Still won't be enough to get me off CoD4... Anyone else try Halo 3 after playing CoD4 and feel like you were walking in treacle?

duckmouth

Thank god they nerfed the Hornet. That thing was way overpowered.

Rectangle

Press Police. Pull over!

This is a citation for announcing an annoucement. Either announce the annoucement or don't, but don't tease a fairly inconsequential annoucement.

Edge of Blade

Erm Cool, When will the Heroic maps be free?

My 360 was red ringed when they came out, so I decided to wait it out, been a long wait.

flukielukie

The vehicles look cool.

nochitright

Sounds like they want some of their COD4 defectors back.

remanance

@King Seafoam: Halo's Forge editor at least introduced the ability to make objects too heavy to move

That would be very helpful in making maps, also, they need a quick-snap. I'm sick and tired of making a map only to spawn a wall and knock over half of the objects, or place a wall and have it tip over 20 seconds later. Leaving a huge gap in the building or what ever.

Also, Bungie should think about releasing more sandbox maps set in different environments.

Ganonymous

COD 4 is cool because it is realistic. Halo is cool because you don't die in 4 shots. I personally like them both. I will buy the map pack play Halo then play COD4. I like both games. I like halo a bit better but it gets boring doing the same things over and over so I like most people play other games, like COD4. I don't see how some of you can hate one of these games and not like the other.

COD4Halo3

say im playing as graver, can i still play with graver and graver(1) at the same time on the dlc maps?

Graver