@CZroe: Dinosaurs and humans coexisted? Honestly man, the flinstones isn't infallible even if the Bible is...

I respect the fact that a lot of Christians/people of other faiths don't all take their respective beliefs at face value, but this just frustrates me. We'd advance much quicker as a race if there wasn't this sort of thing holding us back just because people 'choose' to believe the first thing they're told as impressionable children.

cheeseboybeans

No better way for a campaign to bond than by playing some Rock Band.

Gagamus

@Dragon_Warrior: Haha I know =P

FinalFettuccinni

@ca$h: just to add comment. You just like many other people are judgemental. First thing u see is my icon which advertises the fact that i'm Christian, therefore you automatically assume that i'm going to retaliate to any suggestions that go against my religion.

You don't know how many times the first response i usually get (no matter what i actually was saying) is that i'm "a hypocrite" usually because so many non-Christians feel that all Christians are hypocrites.

But then again i could be wrong, i'm just typing what i have notice from past similar situations. :)

Termisk8er

Huckabee only busted out the coolness when he went out on the campaign trail. We never saw Chuck Norris or video games in all his years as governor and I'll never forgive him for locking down all of our high school vending machines my senior year just because he used to be fat.

Kid_Kitten

@FinalFettuccinni: Well of course that's evolution in a small aspect and amount of time that we can see. And mutations are slightly different than the entire Theory of Evolution.

Beneficial mutations are evolution. The theory of evolution is an explanation based on facts. Theories can be malleable, as the current theory isn't the first version. However, the facts of evolution are indisputable.

I don't want to go off on a rant, so here is a site with the three main explanations of the theory of evolution.
[www.stephenjaygould.org]

Dragon_Warrior

@Nitroid: yeah especially online, you can debate these things, no one is going to lean one way or the other, they have already made up their mind, no matter how much proof or whatnot you can present, they aren't going to change views.

thats not a matter of opinion, thats fact ;)

Termisk8er

Wow,.. debates on religion and politics?

All we need is for someone to question the existence of the Great Pumpkin and we'll have hit the trifecta of things -not- to discuss with people.

Nitroid

@Touy:
Creationist research? How does that work? Do they just pray they find evidence?
Thank you and goodnight!

Erwin

@champ24 vamp_24(psn): Ah the blind watchmaker theory. So many holes to poke and so little time.

Touy

@ca$h: if u did actually read, you would understand it wasn't an opinion, it was previous experience from someone that knows him personally.

practice what i preach? i didn't recall preaching anything, i was mainly directing that statement to the guys attacking Huckabee for his religious views.

So basically i throw your insults right back at you :)

Termisk8er

@CZroe: Wow, what an ignorant view of what he was trying to say. He was saying that Christianity and science are NOT at odds with each other. That evolution and creationism are not at odds with each other... merely the time scales and process that people usually attribute to Creationism are. He WAS saying that a line by line, word by word literal interpretation of the bible can cause some problems.

Also, the Creationist Research Institute has been a laughing stock for years in the scientific community. By overinsulating themselves due to their own closed mindedness they have failed in any sort of supportable research.

Touy

First time I ever saw/heard of him was in a campaign ad:

"How do I plan to protect our Southern border? Two words: Chuck Norris"

Never forget...

knetworx

@Termisk8er: "I have a good feeling next chance he gets he will be in the run again."

I hope not.

Yeux de nouilles

@CZroe: I've known Christians that claim dinosaurs never existed and their bones were planted in the ground by "crazy scientists."

To outright deny evolution, you have to be an utter idiot. Evolution is easily observed on a micro level, and it'd be stupid to say animals don't change over time to better survive. Of course, it is possible for a theist to say their deity of choice created evolution or made all animals perfectly adapted for this world or whatever.

Still, saying evolution is baloney in favor of old religion is baloney.

Unless it's the norse creation theory, in which brains were flung into the sky to create clouds and mountains were constructed of bones and humans were sweated from the armpits of a giant.

Yeux de nouilles

Either way, I think it's cool Huckabee games. We need more conservative old-fashioned people showing that gaming is okay. Haha.

As for the whole religious topic, I'm done with it. This isn't the place for it, and it disrupts the peace of joyful gaming. lol.

FinalFettuccinni

@Dragon_Warrior: Well of course that's evolution in a small aspect and amount of time that we can see. And mutations are slightly different than the entire Theory of Evolution. Evolution of animals and species over a long period of time hasn't been observed in process. But the fact that we found a couple of rocks of dead animals that look similar to apes, does not necessarily mean that we as humans, came to be from a lesser species mutating (for apparently no reason) over a long period of time. Not saying the Theory of Evolution is or isn't possible, but people need to stop treating it like it's law, and the people that don't believe in it as idiots. Science isn't law, it's a guessing game that sometimes ends up right and wrong. Neither evolution nor creationism is a radically stupid idea, otherwise no one would believe in either, and there wouldn't be evidence for either. At this point, however, we don't truly know how we got here, and I would appreciate it if some of the rude bigots would not throw their swollen pride around thinking people that believe in the opposite side are absolutely mentally retarded. They simply don't see it the way you do.

FinalFettuccinni

@Termisk8er:
You're funny. You love that people think someone acutally cares about their opinion, then go on to write a block of text. (I didn't really read it that carefully because... well, you guessed it: I don't care). Practice what you preach and keep it to yourself. Don't be a hypocrite.

ca$h

What I can't believe is that the man still doesn't believe in evolution even after going from Guitar Hero to Rock Band.

ca$h

@FinalFettuccinni: Evolution happens constantly. Look at bacteria and viruses.

Dragon_Warrior

I love how everyone feels like someone actually cares about their opinion. XD

I've know Huckabee for most of my life, hes a really nice guy, not to mention hilarious. He regularly attends the Razorbacks' games in Little Rock. His campaign ads were always the best. When he ran for governor for the 2nd time here in Arkansas, He did an amazing campaign ad that made fun of his opponents mudslinging by putting a look-a-like of her on a 4 wheeler running over his campaign signs.

I wouldn't count him out yet, I have a good feeling next chance he gets he will be in the run again.

Termisk8er

@Kirbytheslayer: In-Kirby XMB: Eh, think what you want. I know that evolution is possible, however it is possible to believe evolution is possible without believing that the Theory of Evolution explains how humans came to be, savvy? Things can evolve, doesn't necessarily mean that's how it all happened, per say, especially when it's a theory in a long process that cannot be observed.

FinalFettuccinni

I ended up voting for this guy. At the time, I wasn't really sure how I felt about him, but every time I see him in the news I like him more.

CaptainHarrison

Nevermind, I knew it.

champ24 vamp_24(psn)

@GrimaceXL: Dirty creationist? Holy crap you people are rude. Find some manners.

FinalFettuccinni

WTF, kotaku ate my post?

champ24 vamp_24(psn)

@Dragon_Warrior: Which one seems more reasonable considering everyone's yardstick is different and changing by culture, while a standard set by a book doesn't change?

To all the religious bashers, stfu. This isn't a place to discuss why you do or don't agree with Huckabee's morals or the Bible.

Obviously this nation isn't the God-established country it used to be.

FinalFettuccinni

If you were walking along a desolate, deserted beach and you looked down and found a Rolex watch, would you assume it came into being out of chaos and randomness, or would you think that it was created by someone? Same thing with life, something as complicated as life didn't come into being through chaos no matter what anyone says.

Darwin's threory of evolution is also valid, the two aren't mutually exclusive. People just need to accept this, why do people fight it?

champ24 vamp_24(psn)

Good. Silly religious nut.

Billy Bob Joe

@CZroe: What's more reasonable; measuring with your own yardstick, or measuring with an old book based on faith?

Dragon_Warrior

The guy would have made a horrible president, but he's entertaining at the very least. I'd love to go out for a beer with the guy. Seems like he'd be a fun guy to hang out with. Here's hoping you have some luck in the private sector, Mike. I'm sure Harmonix could use a new playtester.

I voted for Obama, by the way.

Sgoast

@CZroe: Hmmm...I'm confused. Mainly because I couldn't understand half of what you were saying, but also because you're telling me that I'm not a fully inducted member of the Catholic Church? That my two years of confirmation never happened? If that's true, I want those hours back.
I'm a devout Christian, Okay?
Calling us all insane nutcases based on the most extreme cases is absurd. Most other Christians I know don't believe that insane stuff you're saying.

Or was that sarcasm? Really. I'm having trouble understanding what on earth you're saying.

Kirbytheslayer: In-Kirby XMB

The one thing that bugs me about Creationists is that they claim that every piece of science that doesn't completely comply with their ancient wisdom is part of a huge conspiracy theory and that it's all a temptation devised by Satan.

Is that really necessary? If you have enough faith to stand in the face of universal scientific knowledge, why do you need to justify yourself?

The existance of Earth's moon? It's a conspiracy.
DNA comparisons? That's a conspiracy.
Carbon dating? Also conspiracy.

marmidukestank

@Kirbytheslayer: In-Kirby XMB: Wow. What an ignorant view of Christianity.

Saying that Christianity conflicts directly with science and believes it to be a lie to tempt them from "the Truth" is just FAR off. If that was ever heard from a Christian, someone argued with an ignorant PERSON who chose to argue with baseless reasoning because they were incapable of supporting their faith with facts (they don't understand what "faith" is and believe that it means that nothing should change their minds).

I've seen similarly ignorant people who believe that Christians don't believe that dinosaurs existed. Christians don't believe that they existed BEFORE MAN and believe that evolutionists are "measuring with their own yard stick" (circular reasoning) to come up with the dates they have. That's entirely different. Talk to a Creation Research Institute fellow and ask him if dinosaurs are real: YES. In fact, any Christian who's even read the Bible should know of two such descriptions that seem to directly describe the "terrible lizards:" Leviathan and Behemoth.

CZroe

Too bad his policies were terrible. He seems like an alright guy who wouldn't go insane over violent videogame legislature.

Samos42

@CZroe: You seem to assume that believing that god created Earth means it couldn't follow the scientific principles that we've discovered.

It's simple. Scientific Explanation:
Big Bang- Universe and Earth are created over time. Eventually, life appears due to chemicals or whatever. I forget the science here. It's been a while. But, back to the thing. Life appears. It evolves over millions of years.
Creationist Correlation:
God guided everything so that it would happen the way it did. He made the big bang, he guided the clouds and the acids or whatever. The animals formed. He guided their evolution so that Humans would eventually be made. Hence, we're here.

Where do those ideas become incompatible?

And I said myself he's insane for believing the Bible was infallible. If that were true, God would be a bird, and Armageddon came and left nearly 2000 years ago. Simply put, if the Bible were to be taken entirely at face value, it means we're all in hell anyways.

Kirbytheslayer: In-Kirby XMB

@Kirbytheslayer: In-Kirby XMB: "There's nothing in creationism that says you can't believe in evolution. "

Re-read what you just said. The time-frame alone is completely incompatible. Granted, "7-days" could be some figurative way to say "seven something-elses" (time periods), but it clearly isn't allowing for amino acids forming the first life-forms trillions of years ago.

Yes, there is much evidence for a "young Earth," but there is also much evidence for a significantly older Earth. Perhaps a compromise theory that implies "seeded" life from a diety, or another planet makes more sense, but neither is an open-shut case and the third option sounds like lunacy.

I've studied the origins of the Bible. While he believes in the infallibility of the Christian Bible, it is actually a cherry-picked collection of what writings seemingly conflicted the least. That is the only point on which I disagree with him, but I still respect him and understand that his perspective is not really all that different (he is a politician, not a biblical scholar).

CZroe

Huckabee is a complete nut and I don't think playing a few games will lead my views on him to change.

Now, if he was a hardcore Earthbound fan, then it may be a bit different.

Yeux de nouilles

@TalKeaton: Game Design Major: Let me put it this way:
I think anything is plausible.
I just think some stuff has infinitely more plausibility than others. It's entirely possible that the Earth IS 6000 years old, every animal was created exactly the way it was, and God just put all that scientific stuff in there just so he could send all the smartest people in the world to hell. It's just that the odds of it being true are so obscenely low that there's no reason to bother with it. He can think that all he wants, but there is absolutely no way he should ever mention it in any way, because there's no way what his opinion on it could ever be of any actual use to the world.

And, on that note, I believe that I am actually God, and I am just incapable of believing it myself, or grasping any of my power. And I've done it 12 billion times before.
Too bad my theory is pretty useless.

Kirbytheslayer: In-Kirby XMB

Sorry to burst the collective Huckabee-hugging bubble, but the guy was really scummy and far from honest. His career is filled with lots of kickbacks, payments to family members, and other typical mid-level corruption that we've unfortunately grown to expect from politicians. He was a damn fine public speaker, though. Very eloquent, even when he was trying to downplay the fact that he thinks the Earth is 6000 years old. Still doesn't negate the fact that he thinks the Earth is 6000 years old and thereby doesn't believe in geology, archeology, physics, chemistry, biology, or well, science in general.

PhantomVI

@Kirbytheslayer: In-Kirby XMB: Counterquestion to the latter part of your post: Do you consider his view to be possible?

I definitely think there's nothing wrong with believing firmly in a singular view, provided you have actually explored other views.

TalKeaton: Game Design Major

@The BPM Scrolls IV - Knights of the Nine: Of course 7 was the joke. I mean, have I ever shown myself for a misogynist? No. I love women. I prefer sex with women and everything. Though I've never actually tried it with men, but I'll just assume it's less preferable.

@xionpunk: Okay...sorry, but it does. It means he's unwilling to accept an undeniable fact. He refuses to accept the concept that there could even be a possible alternative to his unproven conjecture. Imagine if he took that line of thought and made it his presidential policy.
Here's a really easily, plausible, and acceptable alternative:
God guided evolution. He decided how it went.
But Huckabee refuses to even consider the idea. That's just insane. Like, literally, probably the definition of insane.

Kirbytheslayer: In-Kirby XMB

@The BPM Scrolls IV - Knights of the Nine: Unfortunately, the Nutjob Party isn't recognized officially in most states, so he's got to go SOMEwhere....

:)

TalKeaton: Game Design Major

@Kirbytheslayer: In-Kirby XMB:
It must be anarchist because an anarchist in government would make the universe implode. Unless you meant Antichrist, but he's already at number one.

Erwin

As much as I hate his political views, I can't help but want to nurse a beer and play some video games with the guy.

alb1221

@TalKeaton: Game Design Major:
Wait, Jack the Hack's affiliation is Republican? I thought it was Nutjob...

BPM X: Soul Eraser

@The BPM Scrolls IV - Knights of the Nine: Pimps and adult film industry directors say so.
Why? Its all about the money man

GUNDAM-RX-78-2-Still HATES! God of War 1

@Kirbytheslayer: In-Kirby XMB:
Yeah but just because he doesn't believe in evolution doesn't mean he's a nutcase.

xionpunk

The Colbert Bump just wasn't enough for this game playing mad man.

mva5580

Sorry, Huckabee, America doesn't want an honest candiate. Hilary Ftw!!1

xionpunk

@The BPM Scrolls IV - Knights of the Nine: You have a point, but you also have certain people like Jack Thompson who seem to think video games are a sin against God. For some inadequately-defined reason.

I'm really just Republican in terms of viewpoints on issues; the people of the party, I could take or leave, as unfortunately I don't see many good Republican leaders around anymore...

TalKeaton: Game Design Major

Huckabee was funny, he will be missed. His political views, not so much.

davrone

@TalKeaton: Game Design Major:
To me, it seems the liberals are more anti-gaming than the conservatives (as much sense as that makes...), with gaming's biggest opponents being the likes of Joe Lieberman and Hillary Clinton.

@peAr_nectAr:
Yeah, if #7 wasn't the joke, Kirby best be preparing for a world of hurt.

I do agree with the list, though (with the exception of #7... But also, hey, who says prostitutes and porn stars COULDN'T be good leaders?).

BPM X: Soul Eraser

@Kirbytheslayer: In-Kirby XMB: I'm gonna have to go with porn star. Because then he'd be packing his very own weapon of mass destruction with him at all times.

kojirodensetsu

@TalKeaton: Game Design Major: Okay...We have absolutely nothing against Creationists. Hell, I'm a creationist.
What we oppose is people who don't believe in evolution. There's a big difference. I'm a creationist and I believe in evolution. There's nothing in creationism that says you can't believe in evolution.

Kirbytheslayer: In-Kirby XMB

The only thing that Huckabee impressed me with was how many witty one-liners he had. Other than that he was a complete nut case. I would rather have John McCain the republican nominee and I don't like John McCain either. Out of the republicans there was only 1 that I liked and made any sense. The rest were just warmongers. Shouldn't take a rocket science to figure out which republican candidate I liked.

kojirodensetsu

I didn't know that Kumbaya was one of the songs featured on Rock Band...

Sathias

You never let a bassist lead anything. They should stay in the shadows like most bassists.

BohlBERG

@Kirbytheslayer: In-Kirby XMB: Murderers!! We need MOAR muderers!! Stat!

okenny :)

@meandering_drivel: He actually lost because he couldn't handle Chuck Noris's support.... weak! O_o

okenny :)

@Kirbytheslayer: In-Kirby XMB: I hope #7, but you never know on this site.

peAr_nectAr

@GrimaceXL: Watch it. Please don't assume there aren't creationists around. That wasn't very nice. I really don't go around calling you dirty, now do I?

Anyway, I really don't know who to vote for now that Huckabee's out. The problem here is now there isn't really a candidate that holds strong conservative ideals, politically stranding me and quite a large number of other conservative Americans.

Also, please observe that not all conservatives/republicans/Christians are anti-gaming. See? Good example.

TalKeaton: Game Design Major

I love how all the Huckabee supporters say, "He seemed like a cool guy," without really knowing anything about him. Please, people, look at the facts, and don't just trust your intuition when it comes to matters of national politics. Goodbye and good riddance to Mike Huckabee. He can play all the Rock Band he wants, just keep him away from any office.

peAr_nectAr

@The BPM Scrolls IV - Knights of the Nine: No. That's stupid.

The last things we need in office are, in this order:
1. Bush again.
2. Terrorists.
3. Anarchists.
4. Prostitutes.
5. Murderers.
6. Lawyers.
7. Women.
8. Satanists.
9. Porn Stars
10. Children

One of the above is a joke. Can you guess which?

Kirbytheslayer: In-Kirby XMB

VOTE KANG OR KODOS

Foggynotion

@scarshapedstar, The BPM Scrolls IV - Knights of the Nine:
Friends, friends, don't fight. They ALL suck.

Erwin

@scarshapedstar:
Edwards? Last thing we need is more lawyers in office...

BPM X: Soul Eraser

@Peryite:

"If we could get some sort of politician like Huckabee, take away the fundamentalism, and add some honesty, we could have a winner."

You mean John Edwards? Too late.

scarshapedstar

Man. Games, bass, Conan and SNL... What wasn't cool about him?
Oh yeah, that whole theocracy thing.

Erwin

Wow! Had no idea he was packing the beef.

Diesel_Power

@meandering_drivel: yeah he was a straight talking candidate, i don't like a republican party as a whole be he was different. Ill even look past the part that hes a dirty creationist lol.

GrimaceXL

i knew there was a reason i liked hackabee so much. i'd hate to see the man in office but i'd love to have a beer with the guy

mossberg

I really like Huckabee. He seems like a really cool person, and he's capable of poking fun at himself. And this story far from deteriorates my image of him.

But then I hear him speak about his views, and I want to throw up.

If we could get some sort of politician like Huckabee, take away the fundamentalism, and add some honesty, we could have a winner.

But alas, an honest and cool politician is just a pipe dream.

It's a step foward, at least.

Peryite

what a lovely headline that makes...

'losers play videogames'

I liked Huckabee. He seemed less blatantly dishonest than the other candidates, and he had chuck norris' support.

=(

meandering_drivel

O_O This is the first time I've seen him before his weight loss. He looked very similar to Bill Richardson back then. He's my unofficial hero. :x

Demn

Pretty cool. Too bad the guy's a nutcase. The awesomeness of playing Rock Band is more than canceled out by thinking that evolution is an evil scheme to kill god.

@Heyyou27: Sigh. How many times do they have to prove that the Wii doesn't make you healthy in any way.

Kirbytheslayer: In-Kirby XMB

Damn, he seemed like a decent candidate.

Hiro0015

Before and after the Wii came out.

Heyyou27