I already do this with HD Loader on my chubby PS2...DQ VIII is fucking awesome without load times!

Hikaru

how about PS2 software emualtion on the gimmped PS3?

QuickPick

We've been able to do this since PS3 launch. Nothing new.

dirkxxdiggler

Pretty kick ass.

Seven Is Darker

Come on people! Did I miss the comments about Resident Evil: Outbreak, the best RE of the series by far?

Haha I'm just kidding. I never played it. I remember it did require the PS2 HDD though.

Kaneda

Japanese people are a little slow with the development of new technologies.. You'll have to excuse them.

Korbei

I've been playing FFXI on my PS3 for months...

Hiroken

I bought FFXI about a month ago and installed it on my PS3 and have been playing it without the disk. How would this be a new feature if I only updated to 2.17 last night?

rogueslayer0

@gnudna:

You have a good point surprised nobody responed to it. By getting a PS3 you could just exchange copies of games with friends and soon have such a wide selection of games that it would have cost you more to buy a PS2 and the games. This would sell a ton of copies.

I know its useless but I'm still hoping Sony will surprise us and release Home, playstation store update, and this latest development all it once in like early spring or preferably in next 5 min.:)

Judge

MOST-MISLEADING-STORY-EVER!

joelface

@muu: It did work, I don't see how this is news.

dashyt2dafulliz

I'm sorry, but didn't the PS2 already do this? I remember downloading something from the PSstore that allowed me to do this with FFXI and other HDD based games.

Sailorcancer

@djricekcn:
I was afraid of that. I find music games are typically extremely hard to emulate, and I've confirmed in the past that other Konami games, namely DDR for PSX even synched by framerate (so converting PAL to NTSC makes the arrows go almost double speed while the music is normal...) Though if it's consistent and doesn't skip I can play with 10-20ms lag since I use sound as a cue and the screen as sheet music basically.

I pretty much got my PS2 because I was afraid it would get too hard to get all the IIDX games legally if I waited longer. (Caught up to 10th now...) I'll be keeping it in good shape for many years to come, especially since they're all Japanese games and legit or not my PS3 will refuse them.

fuchikoma

@Gannoc: Just get a HDloader if you really have to have PS2 games ripped to your HDD i have one and it works flawless. Don't wait on sony to allow you to do this cause they never will i paid 10 bucks for my PS2 games and then traded them all in. So i still have a virtual copy of my games on my PS2's HDD.

Jopan

Well I like the stability. GRAW 2 has this annoying tendency to hang when loading after using a rally point. Hopefully that's fixed now.

RawSteelUT

Blogging != Journalism

hoos30

Since I updated, browsing the Web is a lot quicker [page load time etc], but you would have thought Sony would have mentioned that in thr PR...

It also detected that I have an MS keyboard attached [to the PS3, not me], and the console would shut down until I removed it...

shab

Wow this is a bigger letdown than the first time I bought playboy magazine...

Ragarnok

Damn. I thought that headline meant that we could rip ps2 games to ps3. THAT would be something.

wef

@LittleBigPlaneteer: this was supported when ffxi was supported with 1.31@fuchikoma: All Bemani games sucks to play on the PS3. they all have milli-second frame lagswhich is not tolerable with Bemani games.

djricekcn

@muu: It definitely did under certain conditions, but, the recently released expansion's "collection" edition would not install. So perhaps they have addressed something that caused problems in some cases... hopefully. I don't know why anyone would get so excited about this update, even Sony said it was nothing but stability fixes and this would fit in to that statement.

cybereal

Great news for all those who can't play PS2 games!
For those who can, enjoy FFXI if you still play and don't have a PC version or a PS2. Also, I think Beatmania IIDX 5th Style owners will be happy - that is, if the controller had somewhere to plug into. Guess that one's stuck on PS2.

So that leaves HDLoa--haha, yeah right.

See? Sure I'll give Sony props but they have to earn them! This sounds... really dumb. Right up there with releasing FFXI and then shortly after discontinuing the fat PS2 that can have a hard drive. Remove PS2 support, then expand it.

fuchikoma

I wish the RE Outbreak servers were still up ;(

Tofu_Survivor

@photoboy: That'd be NICE. Really, REALLY nice.

EvoAnubis

Bugger. Can you imagine how awesome it would be to upgrade your PS3 to a 500GB disc and install every one of your PS2 games?

photoboy

Well...considering I actually only used the official Sony HDD for SOCOM 2 Installable MAPS and SOCOM 3.......

Now as for non-official HDDs.....well.....there's a reason I won't get rid of my Old PS2......80+ Games all installed...fully functional...no clutter.

GoonieGooGoo

A friend of mine and I both played FFXI on the PS2 and when we switched to PS3's I bough the 60GB and he got the 80GB (without hardware emulation for PS2 games). The 80GB version did not work with FFXI, even with the PS2 download from the store, but my 60GB one worked with no problems after the download.

Is it possible that this update makes FFXI function on the newer PS3's (20, 40 & 80GB) without the hardware emulation?

Beholder

@NewYork214:

Maybe they just included it into the main firmware instead of having it as a seperate download.

SnakeCL

they had a download for this a long time ago. called PS2 system data. came out dec 15,2006?? or is this something diffrent?

NewYork214

@njhardcoreguy: PS2 sales are slowly dieing anyway. I can't imagine Blockbuster or any other rental store is gonna have a huge selection of PS2 games for long. I bet if Sony did include this feature it would be after PS2 game sales are down and the majority of people using it would be people who already own the games.

I doubt they would expect installing PS2 games to attract anymore people to buy PS2 games. If theres a PS2 game you want, you've bought it regardless.

method47

Sony has been giving me good reasons to buy a PS3 and I've been ignoring them. What kind of horrible person am I???

Vargas

@Neo-Senku: Indeed. Looking back, I maybe should have opted for the 60GB. They had it in the store and it would have literally cost me the same money that I spent on the 40GB with games anyway.

But I won't complain about that or be sad now that it's way too late. I just want Sony to release software emulation. I know they're cooking something up, I simply know it. ;)

Candlejack

I already had FFXI running on my ps3 since the first firmware update. So this news on what this FW does seems weird as it is fixing a problem it never had.

Crooked

@Candlejack: Besides, I'll listen to the Japanese official PlayStation website rather than StrategyInformer. Therefore I gladly ignore their statement.

Candlejack

@Candlejack:
I'm with you on that, cause i know i still like playing older games as graphics are not the be all, end all for me. up until recently i still had my n64. I'm hoping it will come soon. cause i don't see how they can say that they don't think b/c is something gamers want yet sell ps1 games in their psn store. i mean its a minor inconvenience to have to have both a ps2 and ps3 on the stand but still inconvenience none the less.

Neo-Senku

@lonesn1per: It's not about playing but installing the game on the HDD from the disc.

Candlejack

So does this mean all PS3's are now backwards compatible?

kryo

wierd ive been playing my final fantasy 11 on my ps3 since an update waayyyy BEFORE 2.17 (i think about 1.90 sounds right)

i dont know maybe you guys just havent tried it but thats not what yesterdays firmware was about.....

sorry to rain on your parade kotaku :(

lonesn1per

As for piracy being a big issue, that would assume that every PS2 owner on the planet switches to a PS3.. Hint hint this would be the equivalent of an A-bomb to the competition. Cause like it or not the PS2 will be slowly phased out as the numbers for the PS3 continue to increase. And actually having a feature like this is possible threw an emulator aka like vmware does for the PC which is far more complex.

gnudna

hey I'm kinda stoked, I've never played FFXI and I've always wanted too.

Gon

Umm... FF11 has been backwards compatible on the PS3 for awhile now. I dunno what you guys are reading or where, but you've been able to install it to a "dummy" PS2 HDD install on the PS3 since, like, last year.

Starsmore

PS2 Complete Software Emulation on any PS3 in 3, 2, 1..... :P

It should come. I hope it does. I can't say I desperately need it, but since I got rid of my PS2 recently (due to lacking the space in my setup), it wouldn't hurt.

Candlejack

This story and the following update is equivalent to a textbook case of blue balls.

Draconis

Sweet. I remember reading an article in EGM like soo many years ago about installing FFX onto the PS2 HDD.

Angryrider

Folks read the link I just posted. A game called Nobunaga's Ambition Online has just gotten HDD install support. It's an MMORPG just like FFXI.

LittleBigPlaneteer

I wish they would finally add the in game XMB. It would also be nice if you could listen to music and browse the web while in remote play. It works when not using remote play, so why add this limitation when using the PSP to view? Being able to access all the PS3 settings via remote play would be nice too, but I can understand why that limitation was put in place.

Heyyou27

Oh how my hopes soared and fell...

Psudonym

Nope, this doesn't work at all. I don't have FFXI, but none of Capcom's games (SF Alpha Anthology, RE Outbreak 1& 2) install.

SG79

@Falconfire: I'm confused as well this was something you could do at PS3 launch so what the hell is the blogger talking about?

Volomon

@Falconfire:

I believe this update added more games to the compatibility list or something. Scroll to the bottom of this page for a chart: [64.233.179.104]

LittleBigPlaneteer

You had me SOOO excited. And then I read the update. Oh, sniffles. To install ALL my PS2 games? And possibly my PS1 games? That would have been like a dream come true.

It's the feature I never thought about - but now, me wants.

Spoony Bard

@Kupo!: agreed Im a bit confused about this, FFXI has been able to be played since release....

Falconfire

You already could install ffxi on ps3, like a little after the ps3 came out you could, you just had to download something from the playstation store.

Kupo!

no home, I am dissapointed. No store update, doubly dissapointed.

Awoken

Damn way to lift us up and bring us down, I guess It's back to hoping I can still find a 60 gig online when i have the money.

Neo-Senku

god of war 1 and 2, welcome to renting again!!!!!

kingme

I take it that if you own a ps3 that can not do ps2 backwards compatibility then this update is meaningless?

Gadgetron

Too good to have actually been true.... Besides it probably wouldn't work for 40GBs due to a perplexing lack of hardware emulation.

@IIGrayFoxII:
I remember downloading that too when the store first came out because I thought I was going to use it for some SOCOM maps. Heh, the PS3 had sufficient games at that point to make me think twice.

@Tyber_Zann:
Hah. Sure thing buddy.... Till you find that you can spend a few hundred a month somewhere else and possibly more necissary. Piracy would be off the charts.

Last_Raven

I thought that there was a download in the playstation store that did the same thing, although I haven't tried it... it was called something like "Playstation 2 system data" and in its notes it mentiond something about the HDD...

fawrh

Neat little update.I hope they figure out a way to do remote play with games that you could download to your HDD like PS1,2 titles.That would be neat.I know some,but make it blanket across the board.
Has anybody looked at the Sony blog..Jeez that thing is getting out of hand with trolls crying about XMB,Home and other crap.They need a ban hammer quick!

enewtabie

I still think PS2 games over Remote Play would be amazing. Installing them to the HD would be the next step.

x753z is backwards!

Damn it, that would have been cool. :(

Maleficence

Yeah, I was like, "Whaaa?!?!" That would allow people to rent and install games ... Sony would be offering people a free pass to piracy lol It would be a cool feature, but it won't happen. Now ... they should allow that with PS1 games since they aren't produced anymore. I wouldn't mind that. I bet it would make remote play work better, too.

jayntampa

BTW Bash don't let these tools talk shit about you.

Everyone has a mishap once in a while, but apparantly they think you're perfect like a god.

Heyyyy...some gods wield hammers. Ban hammers.

Tyber_Zann

@Brian Ashcraft:

skobar mentioned it in the third and fifth post as well.

To be fair, installing PS2 games would be interesting, though wholly unnecessary.

Heliophage

This was a download in the Playstation Store that came out around launch time that you downloaded if you had FFXI or any other game that used it. I guess now its mandatory. Though finding it in the PS Store now would be a needle in a haystack.

IIGrayFoxII

Damn...

Garo

@njhardcoreguy: Yeah, I know, but after reading the comments section regarding the minor firmware update today, I expect anything.

(People were claiming that Sony had failed by releasing a firmware upgrade that didn't have in-game XMB, Home, etc.)

Gannoc

FAIL.

awesomerobot

@muu: Yeah there was a thing in the store that was called PS2 System information Data"

I dunno...
My thinking is that there is more to this update then meets the eye.

topbravo222

@Gannoc: Sony wouldn't be screwing up. This feature would be groundbreaking, but if they haven't developed it yet, it's not "screwing up."

Either way, I'd love to be able to rip full games onto my PS3, but the logistics don't really make sense. They would lose sales of PS2 games since people would just rent and rip.

njhardcoreguy

This story is spreading like cancer.

This only allows Backwards Compatibility with PS2 titles that required the HDD. Such as FFXI.

I expected more from you. Mr Ashcraft.

Grave of the Fireflies

@omegasc: Fuck. D:

Witzbold

Too good to be true, indeed.

If you could truly install PS2 games permanantly on the drive, I'd be renting them from my local video store, upload them, and bring them right back! (well, at least the ones I'm on the fence about - I'd pay for and support the better titles).

Tyber_Zann

I don't get it, if I remember correctly FF11 worked on the PS3 long before this update.

muu

@omegasc:
FUCK. T_T

Brian Ashcraft

PLEASE Sony, PS2 games downloadable from the PS Store next!

HamThePharoah

Aw, I was excited for a minute...

x753z is backwards!

I just tried to install God Hand and it would not let me.

I guess that just for FFXI games that need the HDD

topbravo222

Sigh.

I can't wait for the first comment of, "Well, Sony screws it up again. I would have gotten a PS3 if this update had been true, but now I'll never get one..."

Gannoc

there's gotta be some backend stuff with this update as well considering that the 40gb's aren't backwards compatible. that would mean that this update is useless for them.

jp182

"Update 2: Seems that the Japanese website is actually detailing information about compatibility with Final Fantasy XI, which required a HDD for the PS2. So, any games that require HDD installs for the PS2 will now work on the PS3."

omegasc

@IronsUK: Damn, I got really, really excited too. Still a nice update though.

DaiMacculate

@skobar: Why do you have to ruin good news with your truths?

NameYourCharacter

Hold on, looks like the source link has changed it's info. It's not PS2 installs, it's just an update to allow PS2 games that require installs to work

IronsUK

Unbelievable.That's an awesome update! But does this mean you could've installed PS1 games in the past?

Xideo

thats cool, i want to borrow god of war and install it, and technically i don't even own it. I kind of like PS3 better then the 360 now. Both are multimedia sluts, but at least the PS3 is an easy cheaper multimedia slut.

CookieMasterPunk

Awesome. There's a good precedent if ever there was one. Microsoft, are you listening?

IronsUK

For you lazy people.

Update 2: Seems that the Japanese website is actually detailing information about compatibility with Final Fantasy XI, which required a HDD for the PS2. So, any games that require HDD installs for the PS2 will now work on the PS3.

skobar

Color me confused, does this mean just playing my PS2 games without the disc in the drive, or just reduced loading times?

Rubix42

Read the source.

skobar

An answer... Yes! Although, I'm not that into it... I was looking around for what it did...

HorseJacked

Oh shit! That is good news indeed! Time to Install all the NIS games!

Witzbold