Tch what a sausage fest.

ca$h

how many playing Warhawk? Resistance? COD4?

Akmed

@Nirolak: Worldwide

RaepGoblin

that 79% 18-34 years old thing explains why there are very few annoying people on the headset chat.

IntelSilver

I'd maybe buy more games from there if they had more demos of their d/l only games. No way will I spend money if I cant give it a test ride first! Most of their d/l only games don't have demos and I don't understand that unless they are that bad.

GPman

@Yeux de nouilles: thats a shame, you myave missed out on a great batch of games. Yeah, the transition to 3D was often awkward, but many times it produced games better than anything the N64 and several other systems on the VC managed, you know?

TheIrishNinja

@VishusBurn: Second it?!!! I third it!
*proceeds to wack off*

okenny :)

they also allow multiple PSN names for a single person so I would say 10% (maybe) are duplicates.

and do they count banned IDs? or active only?

Seiven

It just occurred to me that next week I will no longer be in the target 18-34 demographic. That makes me feel OLD. :(

lionkitten

Haha! That 50%, is all the people who play games on it. The other 50% is people using it for Blu-Ray. Way to go Sony, you've proved that your system was meant for Blu-Ray and not games. I thought it was called the PLAYstation not the ForceANewFormatDownPeoplesThroatsStation.

With that said I should still note that I do like Blu-Ray as a format but I don't like the way Sony went about forcing it on everyone like they tried with UMDs.

CarbonatedWater

LoL I find it funny people think think the percent of male is high compared to female when the Xbox360 is probably worse.

When 70% of the Xbox360 community buys FPS games, the percent of males that are online on XBL are probably around 98%.

Viet0ne

92%?

I wonder what the ratio will be closer to 50% in Home... just keep in mind the true ratio when you think you're in love with pixelated estrogen.

Heliophage

@PaulHunter:

yeah, screw you sony for making games for me, your core audience! screw you1!!!! 11

I am so mad right now I could just shit my pants.. but I have to go work.

relax_guy

Why would Sony reps boast that they have made absolutely zero progress pushing their console to new demographies? Gee, as if 18-34 male gamers hasn't been the stereotype for 20 years. So essentially Wii and DS are charting new territory, bringing in 100s of 1,000s of new gamers, while PS3 (and Xbox 360) are stuck fighting over the same finite sized pool. Doesn't seem like smart business to me.

PaulHunter

can u ppl read? its 10.5 million world wide ffs

FelicioLostHorizonPT

Well, they need to up the downloads a bit.

For everyone here not using PSN store, I recommend downloading PixelJunk Monsters! Great game to play alone, but even more fun to play 2 players!

After Singstar, this is the game my girlfriend wants to play with me (and I never want to play Singstar, so we end up playing PixelJunk Monsters).

E-lai-e

@monkeybeach: 50,000 to 100,000 sales just in Europe is huge for an arthouse downloadable IP. Boom Boom Rocket is perhaps the closest equivalent on XBLA and that has lifetime sales of around 220,000 according to VGChartz.

[www.vgchartz.com]

Only the known IPs and free games reach half a million or more. Doesn't matter, though - these games only need fifty thousand sales or so to break even. It's a whole new world :)

randomnine

@Fadobo: More than likely. I have my own US account, then there's my girlfriend's Jap account, and my sister's account which I used to use, but then handed down to her.

Why do you need a German account? Just to play with Germans? What does the German PlayStation Store have that the UK one doesn't?

joshuakun

atleast we got Wild arms PS1 classic. just bought it yesterday. pretty good RPG.

NewYork214

I don't like the 92% male stat, though it makes sense, but the age statistics make me happy at least. Though the lower end of that 18-34 range may not exactly act their age, I'm glad most aren't kiddies. Probably because of the console's price.

I'm interested in knowing the average age of people on Xbox Live...

joshuakun

I'm like four of these users...you know: me uk, me ger, me us and me jp. Maybe there are just about 300,000 users with multiple accounts ^^

Fadobo

@MUCKRAKER07:
Indeed. That is part of my assumption about why we haven't seen any of the many great RPGs from PS1 on PSN.
Think about it.

(insert current-gen game title here) = $60, 10 Hours to play = Sufficient but leaves you hungry for more.
vs.
(insert any of the top PS1 games here) = $5.99, 30+ hours to play = Loves you long time.

Its easy to see which is more profitable. Maybe I'm just wearing a tinfoil hat thou.

VishusBurn

If you flood the market with older PS1 games and PS2 games via PSN for the PS3, don't you take the consumers money that investors and developers today need in order to fund the games they make for us? I know everyone just wants more content on the PSN and if they threw all those old games at us they would make some money on them, yes. They (developers)wouldn't however make the money needed to support newer games with better graphics and higher productions values. We the gamers have to support what we want by supporting this generations games and developers.

MUCKRAKER07

@okenny :):
"oKenny is a confused pervert troll fanboy now"
I second that... He you said it..

@Highlander Wolf:
Although generally girls don't dig games, in my particular case, I played MGS3 by borrowing it from this girl. [www.pixhost.org]

I was disappointed with the series after MGS2, but she turned me around on it. A cute girl with good taste in games. Go figure?

VishusBurn

@TheIrishNinja: I beg to differ, but I'm not going to bring my opinions on the PS1 into this topic.
@threeve: Actually, yes. Most girls I know obsess over Rock Band and Guitar Hero and a bunch of slop on the 360, so it seems odd that almost none are drawn to the PS Triple.

Yeux de nouilles

Is 92% male that surprising? I personally don't know hardly any chicks who play videogames that much, let alone who would have an online account...I wouldn't expect there to be a lot of females online, and I don't exactly go onto PSN lookin for chicks either. I figure 92% is pretty normal.

threeve

@Nirolak: You do know there's a big world outside of the US, a world where people, yes, buy videogame systems...? ;)

me, my yoke + i

@TheJeanGenie: No, I think it's probably spot on. Most PS3 owners are early tech adopters of a an expensive videogame console. As in, young men with money to burn.

Luke Plunkett

fl0w sold somewhere in the region of 50K-100K in Europe. The guy wouldn't give up the exact numbers, but he gave me that as sort of a ballpark thing, also mentioning that US PSN sales were a lot better.

So it isn't huge.

monkeybeach

@rec0ded1:
Nooooo!! You're right, but, nooooo!!

PS3 is a schnitzel party. And MGS4 won't change that! It'll reinforce it, won't it? I've never met a girl who played any MGS game! Noooo!!!!

(*whimper*)

Highlander Wolf

@Ampillion, now with the hair stylings of TVs Frank:

Crap, I didn't even mean to quote you, but the person below you who was talking about girls being left out. I think I'll quit this internet thing for tonight.

Meant to quote him: @Byakko:

LittleBigPlaneteer

@LittleBigPlaneteer: We were talking more about the old PSX titles hitting the PSN there, man. But yeah, I'd agree with that.

Ampillion, now with the hair stylings of TVs Frank

Ah, they better just hurry up and start offering PS2 games on PSN games (for 40Gb no less.) C'mon, well all know it's coming...
And the male/female ratio, I seem to remember that being an optional thing to state, so perhaps just girls don't want hordes of hormonal teenage boys knowing their gender

TheJeanGenie

@okenny :):

Hey I never said anything about you being a pervert :P

Also, doesn't MS release their XBL numbers on a more frequent basis? I don't keep track of it so I can't say if it's out of the blue or something.

LittleBigPlaneteer

Flow being the number one dl shows how many hippies, own the PS 3, I kid, I kid, but seriously I'd think Warhawk would have been the most dl'ed game...

rzac30

@Ampillion, now with the hair stylings of TVs Frank:

I'd say so far, the games coming out for both the 360 and PS3 are heavily geared towards males. I think it'll take some time before the respective libraries widen out a bit and attract a larger percentage of females. The Wii already does this of course and I'm sure the percentage of female gamers are much higher because of it.

I think more and more this generation we won't see any games that truly cater to females. With the cost of developing a game, companies know where their bread is buttered, and unfortunately that's with males 18-25 (or so). This trend is pretty much forcing girls to adapt to these games, or uh, get a Wii!

I'm not saying I agree with this. My gf is a gamer, but she's not all for FPS's and other stuff. She likes cuter games (though I must admit she's into GTA). Today is her b-day actually :D

I think a game like LBP is one of the first games that can be enjoyed equally by both sexes, and may even get a few more girl gamers on board. The same thing for Patapon on the PSP.

LittleBigPlaneteer

@LittleBigPlaneteer: Well thats a relief. These numbers from Sony were meant to deceive developers, not me. Sorry everyone for the mis-understanding :( I really should have dug deeper then this article. The numbers are still shit though but since they're not meant for me me, this just leaves me to pontificate what MS releasing its numbers earlier today really meant. oKenny is a confused pervert troll fanboy now :(

*goes to sleep*

okenny :)

@Luke Plunkett:

lol thanks. I think it was the italicized "all" that threw me and others off. It had me saying "wait, all all?"

LittleBigPlaneteer

Doesn't that ratio pretty much, ironically, make the PS3 the 'Xbox' of this generation? I recall that ALL my girl gaming buddies owned Playstation 2s, as opposed to just me and three others with the Xbox instead/as well.

Of course, this is just the SIGN-UP to PSN ratio, but we girls aren't non-internet-savvy. Gender shouldn't affect who signs up on the PSN, so it's a bit disconcerting that the PS3 doesn't seem to be attracting female gamers...

They don't need to be regarded as the 'nerd-box' of this generation, though the role reversal with Xbox is quite interesting.

Byakko

@LittleBigPlaneteer: Edited that bit so as to avoid any future confusion. Figured the fact I specified US immediately before that would just imply im talking US numbers, but hey, I guess not.

Luke Plunkett

@TheIrishNinja: I think it's not that they don't want money for those long aged IPs and games, but that they might want too much for what the game might be worth. I'm not sure how the licensing model works for the vintage-games-on-current-networks thing goes, but if they're asking for X, and Sony only wants to pay Y or thinks it's only worth that much, then it might just be a negotiations hangup on things (Or, how much Sony gets, how much X company gets, that sort of thing..) Which is why I lean more towards option two. Why put effort into putting 'ugly stuff' on to PSN when they could be acquiring HD movie rights or smaller games built around the new hardware and 'pretty stuff'. At least, thats the way I imagine executives look at it.

Ampillion, now with the hair stylings of TVs Frank

@Luke Plunkett:

But the way it's written above, it would imply that there are only 5.6 million Total PS3 owners would it not?

1.) there are currently 2.8 million registered PSN users in the US

2.) Which he also says, interestingly, is 50% of all PS3 owners)

So if 2.8 million is 50% of all PS3 owners, then All PS3 owners equal 5.6 million? Maybe I'm missing something here, lol. It's late

LittleBigPlaneteer

@Vidril:

you would probably be the type of gamer who is trying to hook-up during online play then, hey?

LOL.

i think the good news is that its not all 14 year old boys, like on LIVE. :p

joelface

@okenny :):

but there are people who read numbers like this for a living and they probably see trash figures here.

Heh, curious what you do for living. It doesn't take a professional to realize that those are very simple figures that simply don't mean much. The 46 million downloads include a lot of free ones, and likely duplicate accounts. I have 3 accounts myself (JPN, CAD, and HK).

Thing is, what's exactly new? PR spins are the norm with every company out there. Some just polish it up better than others so you won't smell the bs from a mile away.

SG79

@Luke Plunkett:

"there are currently 2.8 million registered PSN users in the US (which he also says, interestingly, is 50% of all PS3 owners)"

aren't you accentuating the word "all" when it should at least say "all U.S.", otherwise it kind of contradicts the sentence right before it where you point out that it's only the US. I think thats the part thats confusing the folken. I could be wrong though..Its late.

MyLittlePwny

@okenny :):

I don't understand what you're going on about. Where do these figures come off as desperation? Where are they spinning something? Do you realize these numbers come from a lecture at GDC? They weren't done as some PR stunt but a straightforward break down of how the Playstation Network is doing. Do you not think GDC is a relevant place to share these numbers? The presentation wasn't only about PSN and breaking down the revenue for each game. There's no need for that at GDC. The person who said it wasn't expecting it to be on Kotaku or in an official Sony Press Release. It's a lecture about PSN. Plain and Simple. They're audience is developers, not fanboys and trolls

You're the one that's attempting to spin something by looking at the blasted numbers too hard. Take it into context of it being at GDC and I see nothing wrong with them.

LittleBigPlaneteer

@LittleBigPlaneteer: I think you're wrong.

If 2.8 million is half the US installed base (which the post states), you're talking 5.6 million. Which fits the 11 million sold globally quite nicely.

Luke Plunkett

@[KU]Shindokie: Can't View Kotaku on His Phone Anymore :(: yes. yes. do remmeber me if you've trouble paying your rent sometime, my friend.

@Ampillion, now with the hair stylings of TVs Frank: the licensing thing, i guess its complicated but i cant see many companies not wanitng profits/royalties on dead IPs. the other point, yeah, you're prolly onto something there, but i just dont see how having something hideous like Battle Arena Toshiden as an option hurts things. Somewhere, there's a guy just waiting to see that shit again.
again, im seeing this only from a consumer's standpoint, but i dont follow how options can = bad, you know?

TheIrishNinja

@okenny :): I wonder if they're doing it to alleviate fears that maybe they're being hit by the lag of the US economy or something? /shrug =/

Ampillion, now with the hair stylings of TVs Frank

According to Sony's Chris Eden, there are currently 2.8 million registered PSN users in the US (which he also says, interestingly, is 50% of all PS3 owners),

Luke, where in the world is that stat coming from? I think you may be misinterpreting this statement:

"The service has seen 46 million downloads total, with 50 percent of PS3 owners going online, 82 percent downloading at least one piece of content, and 65 percent downloading something the first day they connect. As for the audience makeup, 92 percent are male, and 79 percent are between 18 and 34."

That is not talking about 50% of All PS3 Owners, but rather 50% of that 2.8 million in the US who are actually logging into PSN after registering their PS3 on PSN. Big big difference there and there's a lot of confusion in this thread about it.

The PS3 is at roughly 11 million sold (keyword, not shipped) right now

LittleBigPlaneteer

@TheIrishNinja: As cool as it would be to see a lot more classic titles out on any network they can reach to, I think the problem with getting PSX games out on the PSN is either in two places. One, licensing, which always seems to be a pain in the ass one place or another. Two, Sony might not want to put a lot of things up there just because a lot of the games from that early 3D era are ugly as fuck. Early console 3D is just not a pretty thing for the most part. Not that that should prevent games from showing up, most of us don't care if a good game looks like ass, but I can only imagine executives do.

Ampillion, now with the hair stylings of TVs Frank

@TheIrishNinja: *slap* Don't you ever do something irrational again. Or i will remove you from list. (I can't let you go Ninja you were my first friend here)

[KU]Shindokie:Pon Pon Pata Pon!

@zoesch: Hey look!... I work 8 hours a day... If Kotaku publishes all the "Pro PS3" (as it were) articles while am at work then you can probably have me not comment on the stories and screw up your PS3 high. It's true I am negative by nature... I've been increasing my sugar and love intake daily to combat this; sorry the effects haven't kicked in yet. Truth be told, I just hate being deceived by Sony after I wrote a check to the "save the Children" fund in their name. I want to support them too and see M$ fail but when I see positive news about Sony, it makes me think they're trying to hard. Clearly I stopped making sense a few sentences ago because I don't have to defend myself to you (who ever you are)... attack my comments, not me.

okenny :)

@Magic Emperor Anima: *jumps on Anima* Lets give him to the beast!!! Pata pata Pata Pon! Pon Pon Pata Pon!!!!!!!!

[KU]Shindokie:Pon Pon Pata Pon!

@Magic Emperor Anima: ...
Ane, we're gonna need a giant bungie cord at this rate.

how are you kids all having this game?! damn my fiscal irresponsibility, i sold it for rent in '06.

TheIrishNinja

@[KU]Shindokie: Can't View Kotaku on His Phone Anymore :(: quick, Anemone, get the rope!

@Part-Time-Viking: i had the same fear, so i went with version 3.71 (M33-4) as i was told it was a lot more stable, but nothing's 100%. i just felt good having a friend do it that can often unbrick things if the worst happens.
anyway, carry on with your legitimate pataponing; just wanted you to know your options, sir.

TheIrishNinja

@[KU]Shindokie: Can't View Kotaku on His Phone Anymore :(: Good thing I sorta have it. Uh oh... :: hides ::

Magic Emperor Anima

@rec0ded1:
Like your moms bedroom on a Saturday. Ba de chi...

VishusBurn

@Anemone:
I second that. Let the stabbing begin.

VishusBurn

SUikoden 2 must be the last game anybody would ever want *runs away from the knives*

[KU]Shindokie:Pon Pon Pata Pon!

@TheIrishNinja: I'm sure I could do it, I just don't want to put the effort into it. Besides, I'd hate to screw up and be left Patapon-less until I bought a new one.

Part-Time-Viking

"92% are male" What a sausage fest.

rec0ded1

@Part-Time-Viking: Damn. Honeslty, if ZAMN cant get you to do it, im not certain know of a title that will. I adore that game.

Seriously though, its not overly complicated, and running PSX & SCUMM and such are awesome. I'm actually gonna finally get to play Snatcher on a Sega CD emu that runs smooth as butter now. Give it some though, man.

@Magic Emperor Anima: not to keep showing bootle...er, homebrew-love, but yeah, Vagrant Story, Xenogears, (of course Suikoden 2), Parasite Eve, Einhander, Chrono Cross, Tobal 2 - these are the first games i went and found to play again on my PSP.
You hear me, Square? i know you think DS FF remakes are the gravy train (and you're not wrong) but your 90's catalogue would let me pay some of your bills, too.

TheIrishNinja

@okenny :): Oh boy would there ever be a PS3 thread where you don't jump in to spread FUD? Give it a rest, you're as bad as the Sony fanboys when they start calling the 360 a failure or the Wii a fad.

BTW, in the actual GameSetWatch article there is no mention of the "half the PS3 users" quote, so what gives?

zoesch

@TheIrishNinja: It bugs me really. Both MS and Sony are spinning well before the NPDs and I don't know what to make of it. If MS is really supply constrained for example and they managed to fill the channels in one month then wouldn't be spinning but rather let the numbers do the talking (I suppose)... but supply issues don't go away that fast nor does it absolve the fact that it's a really convenient excuse. Sony on the other hand if they are indeed dominating then they shouldn't have to spin. They wouldn't have to beat MS by that much even either, 30K units more would make people declare that MS is doomed again for the second time in a row. Sony is in a good spot right now and any "concrete" success they can show will go a long way so if they are going to spin, why not show "concrete" numbers to hit home the message. The whole thing with these figures seem strange.... I wonder if the industry has taken a huge loss or something that seems to be making these companies feel the need to swell their chests.

okenny :)

@Anemone: Would be funny if they charge twenty bucks or more if they release it on PSN...just to see if a fan's desperation is that great. ^_^

Magic Emperor Anima

PSN is pretty impressive considering it hasn't been around for long... though these numbers don't really add up. The male-female ratio is amusing, especially since I know a few females including myself on PSN. Wait for FFXIII. Teh females shall come.

scarlet

@TheIrishNinja: Heh, tell me about it. I can finally get around to playing the few RPGs I've missed or haven't beaten. They should know they can make money off of PSone titles. At least two or three a week instead of one every once in a while.

Magic Emperor Anima

@TheIrishNinja: too lazy to homebrew my PSP. Though Zombies Ate my Neighbors (WITH SAVES) almost made me do it once.

Part-Time-Viking

@Anemone: take one for the team, we'll all build statues of you for it.

Part-Time-Viking

@Part-Time-Viking: heh...dont tell anyone, but the homebrew scene would like to have a word with you.

@Anemone: oh, you had to go and name Suikoden 2, didnt you? *gets to the kitchen & starts sharpening knives*

TheIrishNinja

@T3kNi9e:

I doubt that it was given as a linear figure... don't be too literal when people spout off estimated or projected numbers. Say the 360 has a 30% failure rate for the about 20M consoles assumed to be out in the market. That's about 6M defects worldwide so far. See what I did there?

Mongoosekun

@TheIrishNinja: That's what I'm saying. I would stab an endless line of hobos if that's what it took to get Suikoden II on PSN. Yes I'm aware that I'd never get to play it since I would be busy stabbing hobos for the rest of time, but it would be worth it.

Anemone

@TheIrishNinja: I want the original Metal Gear Solid on my PSP!

Part-Time-Viking

Damn it that didn't come out right.

RememberThe.357

@lionkitten: I try I want to touch everyone I jump to conclusions about :)
Wait what do you mean by "special place"?

RememberThe.357

@okenny :): shit, good point. without actual sales figures i guess its no different than the PR talk after NPD figures come through

Once again: sony should flood PSN with PSX titles; there's enough classics there to rival nintendo's VC on a weekly basis.

TheIrishNinja

Well, 2.8 x 2 = 5.6 which is pretty close to the numbers for the Americas. It's something like 11M total give or take given by the Internet numbers fanboys.

Mongoosekun

Lol the math in this is horrible.

2.8 mill being half. Also the fact that it claims an average of 100,000 more people registering per week? That would mean in about 2 and 1/2 months there should be around 3.8-4 million people registered? I strongly doubt it.

T3kNi9e

@Luke Plunkett: Ty for the reply, Luke. I thought that sounded odd.

lionkitten

@RememberThe.357: Well I have both. Just because Halo is my fave game doesn't mean I am a blind Xbox fanboy. But ty for your thoughts and opinions about me. It touches me in a special place.

lionkitten

@RememberThe.357: The numbers being presented that show the "healthy" growth of PSN is not tied to any visible success on PSN but instead are mixed in with random bits of information on the relative performance of games. The reader is supposed to believe that the positive fact of "healthy" growth also correlates to th healthy performance of the fore-mentioned titles. That's a logical leap. PSN itself has very few revenue generating streams and the fact that information pertaining to the sales of content is omitted only hints at it's poor sales performance.
...
Now, I'm not saying this to "diss" Sony or hate on the Triple, I just see through this PR shrill. If they want to pull an MS, they need to show the monetary figures and let us decide. That said, I don't think Sony gives a damn what fanboys think but there are people who read numbers like this for a living and they probably see trash figures here.

okenny :)

@lionkitten: Then stay with your 360, you have a fat Halo 3 symbol stick with it. The PlayStation is probably not for you.

RememberThe.357

@lionkitten: Yeah, numbers must only be US. Sorry I didn't make that clear.

Luke Plunkett

That's really not impressive. Had the system been out for a month, sure, but damn.

Also, that logo reminds me of the Saturn logo which reminds me to beat Galactic Attack.

Yeux de nouilles

@lionkitten: i dig the indie thing PSN is going for with flOw, echnochrome, everyday shooter and the like, myself, but with home, the parts im excited about are the "accomplishments" bite and just a unified online gaming experience, more or less. Trophies dont hurt, neither. But yeah, the walking around bit isnt lighting the world on fire, thankfully its optional.

TheIrishNinja

92% male?! lmfao I can't wait to get a headset XD

Vidril

How is 2.8 million half of all owners? Even in the U.S. only , that is a low number, isn't it? I am confused. At 100,000 a week, they'll catch up to Xbox Live in like 2012 or so. These numbers seem wrong.

I really wish they'd get their act together and give me more of a reason to use the PS3. I really do want to use it more, but Live is so much more attractive to me at this moment. And I don't see Home changing that for me. I'm sure people will like it, but it doesn't excite me at all, especially after talking to my beta buddy. Just seems like so much work.

lionkitten

@R.O.: mess box?

TheIrishNinja

huh. flOw, eh? didnt see that comin'.

TheIrishNinja

I wonder if they take into account all the PAL owners who made a US account to get early access to US content.

ittekimasu

Interesting. I didn't want PS3's Mess Box but I just might reconsider.

R.O.

@okenny :): *does not those @ "...those it even..."

okenny :)

@okenny :): How is it a house of card? I don't get it?

RememberThe.357

@Nirolak: @GreenCard200: These are probably US figures alone.

okenny :)

@Nirolak: Somebody look into that.

RememberThe.357

You know, Tekken 5 as top UK download doesn't surprise me, seeing as they like games more than sex.

ggodo

LOL... I'm not going to say these numbers are embarrassing but I really wonder why no monetary values are attached to these figures. I know the percent prefacing trick. flOw and Tekken being relatively popular to other PSN titles does not make them a success neither those it even make their numbers significant in that "46 million" figure. This is a house of cards folks :(

okenny :)

Yea what the hell? They said they had like 10.5 million sold last month.

GreenCard200

just 50% dead even?!! its prolly more then that? =/
but its looking good for the ps3..=]

music2134

Wait, so are there 5.6 million Playstation 3's or the 10.5 million Playstation 3's they announced earlier. O_o

Nirolak

By the numbers, eh?

funkpanda

Who would have thought the guy to Girl ratio would be that High? Damn you gave a percent huh? i can't do math but i bet if you convert it it's a pretty high ratio.

Connoisseur