free roam shooting was the bomb, learn to aim!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

freespeech

I like GTA And Saints Row but GTA will make saints row look gay and corny like a Sega game... Saints Row was just something to do until GTA.

Adzz

I can still be better than Uwe Boll's Postal coming out the same day as Indiana Jones 4...

Codexx

Um, I just have to chime in, and I know I'm a minority here, but I liked SR better than GTA. I personally preferred the controls of SR (but I never tried San Andreas) after frustration with GTA 3 and Vice City. GTA's concept was incredible and original, but in terms of a game I actually spent enough time playing to justify my purchase, SR wins (to me, not "you guys"/the majority opinion here).

RonJeremy4Pres

I mean lock on like GTA.

octoSink

SR was okay enough. I hope the shooting has lock a lock on like GTA. Geez, I wish all non FPS games were like GTA (Assassin's Creed could take some more ideas from GTA).

What if Rockstar took over EA? What if The Godfather was done by Rockstar?

"And Volition; your game looks fun, but we don't think Buddha could compete with GTA IV this year." Ha!

Rockstar Uber alles!

octoSink

i'm just gonna buy both. but GTA IV has my money already. i already bought it in full!

SR2 some other day. GTA's features seem way more fun.

Akmed

@Mr.SithNinja:

Oh yeah, hey remember that delightful bug in the first SR where your car would magically disappear and you would float in mid-air? SR is and always will be the pretender to the throne, a cheap cash-in made for wiggers.

BrandonGK

@knetworx: Why would anyone release a product if they weren't "happy with it"? The simple fact that they came out and said "all games have bugs" before the game is even released tells me that there is already bugs that they know about and aren't going to fix because it would cost them money. It tells me that they don't give a crap about thier product as long as people buy it, with the notion that it is ok to release a flawed product as long as you tell people in advance that it will be flawed.

Mr.SithNinja

@cdammers: I've played every GTA that ever came out, but never enjoyed any of them enough to actually finish one. Saints Row, on the other hand, I played from beginning to end, and am currently working on getting 100%, because it's still fun. People always call San Andreas a "technical masterpiece", but I'll take a game that's fun over a game with so-called technical qualities any day.

I really need to stop reading this thread, the GTA fanboys are starting to piss me off as much as the Halo fanboys did right before Halo 3 came out. I'm still calling it right now, GTA4 will fall to SR2 the same way Halo3 fell to COD4. When the hype fades, the better game will prevail.

knetworx

I can only speak for myself, but I found San Andreas more fun than all the other GTAs combined, and it's the only one I've actually finished.

cdammers

@Mr.SithNinja: They didn't say they are happy releasing a game filled with bugs. All games have bugs, it's a fact of life. The statement was just taken out of context. Have you even seen the interview? Or did you just read the terribly-written followup articles claiming the guy said SR2 was full of bugs?

knetworx

Because it wasn't fun enough to play through the end?

knetworx

These guys are off their meds. First they they come out and say that they are happy with releasing a game filled with bugs and the next day they say they can take down the mother of all sandbox games. Somebody get these tards better helmets cuz they are clearly a danger to themselves and others.

Mr.SithNinja

Predictably, up pop a bunch of comments about San Andreas being a lacking GTA title. I tend to think that comes from people who never finished the game, because the character progression and twisting storyline was lightyears beyond the other GTA games and made for a hell of an adventure when you finish the story and reflect on the journey your character makes.

Sadly, a lot of people missed out on the entirety of San Andreas for one reason or another.

unmarkedone

I think the fact that SR2 is willing to show us actual gameplay and in-game screenshots says a lot, especially considering that GTA4 has yet to show us anything that would give us a clue as to how it actually plays.

GTA is dead. Following in the footsteps of Halo, the series has become nothing but a hype-machine. Everybody will buy it just because it's GTA, but they will be sadly disappointed when they find out that it really isn't that good.

I predict SR2 will then take over GTA4 the same way COD4 took over Halo3 because Rockstar has become complacent, just as Bungie did, and Volition has something to prove, just as Infinity Ward did.

knetworx

@Asper:
Yes! Insurane fraud missions were the coolest. I like how Pain for the PS3 basically took the idea, added a giant slingshot, and made a (small) game about it.

Mattjay

I'll be getting it. The first was a pretty good game with some interesting side missions. To not enjoy the insurance fraud missions means a portion of your soul has died that you can never get back.

Asper

I remain catious, but I did hear a lot of good things about the first...

vyrus

@cdammers: I'm buying both and I suggest other fans of the sandbox-style gameplay to do the same.

rainofwalrus [XBL]

I don't know how you all can say SR didn't have a better story than GTA. I know the name of all the bosses in SR off the top of my head because they were memorable characters that had great voice talent backing them up, plus the cliff hanger ending of the game has me pumped for the sequel.

Seems to me a lot of you all just want to hate on SR because it is the in thing to do, and ignore the fact that it actually improved on the GTA formula with targetting, mini-games, and online multiplayer.

HurricaneDave

This game is going to have the worst original-to-sequel sales ratio in history. Saints Row filled a void and it did a lot of the technical things better than GTA (the GPS, aiming, graphics). I enjoyed it in the absence of another GTA. But it had no soul at all. The writing was flat, what humour there was, was weak, the missions were repetitive. Given that GTA IV seems to have taken on most of the technical improvements, there's no reason to get SR 2.

cdammers

SR is the pretender to the free-roam throne. Sure it had some new ideas, and yes it even improved on some of GTA's flaws. However I've always found it questionable to compare a next-get game to a previous gen one.

However SR itself certainly wasn't perfect, SR's humor was juvenile and at times seemed like it was trying too hard, the story was shallow and characterizations were hollow. There were also certainly a fair share of technical issues, for example I still can't believe the glitch where your car disappears and you remain floating in mid-air unable to move ever made it past QA testing.

I'm pretty sure SR 2 will be an enjoyable experience but GTA IV is going to be an experience that it'll stick with me. Besides in the area of non GTA open world adventures I'm look forward more to Mercenaries 2. Free-roam games have always worked better in my mind when they don't try to unapologetically ape Rockstar's playbook.

BrandonGK

@3inst3in: yeah i was about to say, Saints Row is DEFINITELY not realistic wit it's stereotypical nonsense

jp182

Reading about GTA4 gives me the impression that Rockstar are still playing catch-up to SR1. GTA4 will be awesome, but only a fool would underestimate SR2.

Dr Terror

Saint's Row was only good for a small-time GTA holdover. They obviously stole the idea of humor from San Andreas and turned the stereotypes up so much the story was next to unbearable. If Saint's Row 2 even competes slightly with GTAIV I will personally let everyone from Volition kick me in the nuts.

Natpalm

I thought Saints Row was a lot more fun then GTA San Andreas. The better graphics were nice but having a really responsive aiming system was even better. However, I'll be surprised if Saints Row 2 can beat the new GTA game, regardless I'll be picking up both. There's always room for one more with me :)

lestat730

@ Gigith: why do you call ghetto people retards? have you been jumped most of your life or something? calling people who live in a certain area is not cool and considered stereotyping in my book.

Guilty-X-Swords

Saints Rows was actually a far better game than any of the previous GTAs, gameplay wise. The story and "charm" was lacking, but if they can improve on that they're on to a winner.

Dioxen

Saints Row 2 is fucked.

Pinhead

I dont get everyone saying Saints Row is Identicle to GTA.

Sure, the framework is near identicle, but the actual implementation is very different.

Saints Row doesnt even try for the pseudo realism GTA had. Saints Row has the player able to take down armies right from the start, You are an ultra skilled nigh invincible battle tank from the word go, theres a LOT more stuff exploding in one big mission in saints row than any GTA, it's just a far more bombastic game.

I think a lot of people expected a straight GTA and just didnt get it, Saints Row may not have had writing to the standard of GTA, but it wasnt BAD. It wasnt going for the same thing.

Ill give you that the first few hours were pretty awful, but if you could get past that, you saw some pretty cool stuff.

Im looking forward to GTA4 more, definatley, but for a game where i get explode a LOT OF THINGS....

Saints should be fun enough too.

ShineDog

I seriously and strongly disliked the first Saints Row and its grammatically incorrect title. If Saints Row 2 were released as a $19.99 budget title on the same day GTAIV was released at a full $59.99, I'd still pick up GTA. And I'd consider that a bargain. I have a feeling Saints Row's reign as a top-seller will officially end when the real deal arrives in stores across the country.

Sloopydrew

@Mattjay: im not playing it for story no, but GTAs storytelling from 3 upwards, is actually somewhat compelling and makes a person want to push forward until they get to a shitty mission where you die over and over until you never touch the game again.

That and the comercials are very witty and well done. So i guess these special ed kids are doing their shit right.

ArmyofJuan

I only played saint's rows a few minutes at a friend's too. Not enough to make much of a judgement, but I'lll give my opinion. Although their character customization makes it more innovative than GTA on that front, I felt it also probably compromised some of the story. Okay the guy in GTA3 was pretty generic, but both characters in vice city and san andreas had their personalities. It's this kind of thing that makes people connect to the story more. Of course the approach in GTA will offend players who don't like the personalities of the people presented, for example the "ghetto," but I felt it fills out the story more. Some of you pompous people may say that GTA doesn't offer much of a story and that may be partly true, but if you play through all the way you will find a lot it's pretty good. Probably not as good as many of the fully linear games we are used to, but for a sandbox game it's fairly good. Again I haven't played SR enough to make much judgement, but I'm just pointing out what makes GTA what it is.

stopcrazypp

VOLITION!!! from my home town!!!
I liked the first saints row so most likely i'll get this to

_Ted_

They should be afraid, GTA IV will annihilate them. Saints Row 2 will be in the bargain bin from the first day of release. If they REALLY wanted to do well they should delay it, but then again that would put them closer to the release of APB which would also screw sales of Saints Row 2.

Guess that they are SOL and should leave these games to the people who are the best.

irnchriz

Saints row is a ripoff. It will never be considered anything more than a ripoff because they tried to run along side GTA, rather then cut a new path. Good game or bad (I lean towards bad) if it doesn't develop some kind of style worth mentioning its going to be relegated to that of True Crime fame. Where as Rockstar Games are just Ooozing style, they reek of it. They plain stink like style. ya smell me? Rockstar's writing, planning, level design, character design, game engines, humor, and originality FAR outweigh that of saints row. All you can say about saints row is that it will be fun doing the GTA thang with some differant stuff to do.It may be fun, But a rockstar game it ain't. Word.

CRUNK

I have never played saints row save for a few minutes at my friend's 360 (which just had the RROD for the second time). It wasn't bad at all but semed to just lack that charm that GTA has.

Now granted GTA has never been a sphisticated experience nor accurate nor amazingly graphical in one area, but the scope of GTA is simply massive and has a great per capita graphical quality considering its size (San ANdreas looked pretty bad but was not like Cruisin'). Saints Row seemed to improve every problem the other GTAs had from my brief experience. Yet, despite its quality characteristics, it lacked the immersion and quirkiness that GTA had without going too over the top.

Why GTA simply was better is the simple reason why we instinctively like Mario over Ratchet, they have been their longer and when we play them bring out a sense of nostalgia and make us happy to see them still alive and progressing. Its not that Ratchet isn't a great action/platformer that is necessarily inferior to Mario, but that Mario has been their longer and has established a place in our hearts.

With this next iteration of both series, both will need to seriously up the ante. GTA4 has already shown that it has innovated beyond its old flaws to create a more fresh and solid experience that fixes the problems of old and adds serious graphical and innovative improvements. Saints Row 2 as of now really has not shown its improvements and this time it will require more than simply taking GTA without the charm and masking the glaring flaws.

That being said, GTA will sell great regardless because of that style and flair that has won at least me over since GTA 2 on my PS1. Because GTA 4 has improved obviously through positive hands on sessions from trusted reviewers, and has garnered so much attention it will outperform Saints' Row 2 almost for sure. But it won't mean that Saints' Row 2 won't be good but that in order for it to reach GTA status it will need to either 1.) completely innovate and change the way sandbox games in a way that blows the pants off GTA and/or 2. Find a unique and immersive art style or environment that feels far more satisfying and with far more depth, without becoming too second life-like, than anything GTA can deliver both of which will be difficult if not impossible to really do in one simple sequel at this point.

In short, both games look like fun but my PS3 is already set to play GTA 4 in April only to be interrupted by MGS4 and a few other good titles until Fall. If Saints' Row does something that feels unique and that is quality, I will purchase it but mot likely not at full price. this will prolly end up as greatest hits fodder for me if even that, but I am still happy that at least there are good game attempts coming :)

Weasel3689

@Spartan1308: I'm not really. Hell, I don't even really care about this "MY GAME IS BETTER THEN YOUR GAME" pissing war.

It's just that I like glancing through the comments at Kotaku, where there are 80-percent less asshats then everywhere else on the interwebs. Just like to keep it that way.

Thorax

Difference between GTA and SR:
GTA's writing is witty, whilst SR is like a 12 year old going "Hehehehehehehhehe you said a swear word.. POOP! HEHEHEHE POOP!!!! HEHEHE"

otimus

@gamadaya: A game doesn't have to sell the most ever to be successful. Bah, it doesn't even have to sell a lot, as long as you make glorious profit.

@Voteforme2020: "you'll never beat a game by doing it the same way, arguably slightly better"?? Actually, that's how to print money. Please refer to any sequel of any book, movie or game. And here's the kicker - it doesn't even have to be better!

Infinitum

The only thing that kept me playing Saint's Row was the physics in the game; it was just alot of fun messing around with the physics engine. Whenever I went back to the GTA games I would always miss that aspect of Saint's Row.

I really don't see Saint's Row competeing with GTA IV if SR2 is releasing the end of the year. That's plenty of space between the two games, right?

abstractBzooty

It would have been much smarter to release Saint's Row 2 much earlier, to tide gamers over while they waited for GTAIV. Like what Gears of War was to Halo 3.

Now it's gonna get steamrolled by GTAIV like any car that dares touch my Rhino.

Sabre_Justice: Okay, no more long name.

@KaneRobot: Fuck you.

dowingba

@Spartan1308: I think you're a little silly about the Facebook being a clone of Myspace now. It's still unique from Myspace, just not as much (which is to be expected). Facebook is much less private, and much more widely used for photos. Myspace is more customizable and emo-friendly. There's more difference, but I hate both sites.

Saints Row, the only thing it had truly unique at all, melee combat.. it's aiming was better than GTA, but that's because GTA's aiming hasn't improved since GTA 3.. but that's not the case anymore. To most accounts, GTA is using an over-the-shoulder aiming system similar to Resident Evil 4 and a cover system (seems like every game is these days). GTA IV isn't San Andreas...

Saints Row 2 is going to need to step it up quite a bit, and I don't think they have it in them. It's claim to fame is the fact that it cloned it's competition while avoiding it's pitfalls.. but GTA won't have those pitfalls this time. It's a new chapter; a new start that's setting the stage for the next-gen GTA. Saints Row can't copy GTA this time, and so I'm vaguely interested to see if they're capable of keeping up on their own merits and imagination.

Voteforme2020

Truepatriot: i enjoyed saints row because all i kept thinking was "hmm this is a decent gta clone".im sure there are those who will say saints row>gta but they have to be nuts.saints row lacks the music,the writing,the voice work,the style,the quality, the motorcycles, the planes, the bicycles, the airplanes, the helicopters, the mountain.

lordargent

"For us it's more about almost a hyper-realistic quality, over-the-top, all about these memorable moments."

Why is it then that memorable moments are more abundant in GTA than SR, even if just for me?
I liked both games, but I feel Saint's would have done better for itself if it didn't feel like a sub-par clone. Right, it has its own set of distinguishing qualities, but what I disliked the most about the game was the storyline.

GTA's characters were tons more memorable and likeable IMO.

But the character creation never gets old. An excessively obese protagonist is all I need to brighten up the insipid cutscenes.

StevenRafael

@Voteforme2020: Facebook really is a clone of Myspace though. It started out different by it's policy of only allowing a certain restricted user base, but it has adapted to become more like Myspace. SR is their game. It is newer and different as a series. They made the aiming and fighting better amongst a few other things. You do realize that some of the people who started GTA aren't actually making GTA anymore don't you? The guy who made Crackdown for instance. I'd rather see a new more complete Crackdown than either of these two by the way.

Spartan1308

Saints Row did OK? Last time I heard it was one of the best selling 360 games!

Soyerz

@KaneRobot: Calling someone a [retard] just because they think a video game about what people in poverty tend to fall into, and mindless violence, murder, and crime, is not something they would enjoy, then I personally think you are someone who would need psychological review.

Kojiro

My sphincter tightens whenever I hear someone say that GTA's writing and satire is superior to that of Saints Row. That's like saying the kids in special ed in high school are smarter than the special ed kids in middle school. Not saying much.

If you're playing these kinds of games for the story, you're doing it wrong.

Mattjay

Dear Volition,

I appreciate your attempts to further action gaming in your two newer franchises: Saints Row and Red Faction. However... the only reason we love you is because of Freespace.

Now, I don't know if THQ is shutting you down every time you mention it, but seriously, stab those fuckers in the eye and give us Freespace 3 for crying out loud!

Do you realize how long it's been since there's been a good space sim out on the market? Cripes, not since... Starlancer was there anything even approaching good!

I'm jonesin' here Volition. I need my space combat hit!

Please, think of the Terran-Vasudan Alliance. You're their only hope.

DannoHung

GTA IV is a lot more compelling as a purchase. GTA IV will hit the spot as far as satirical sand box crime dramas are concerned.

Nexus6

@Spartan1308: Yes, but these products are newer and different. They tend to do something that's been overlooked by their competition.. How dumb would I be to suggest that nothing new ever comes around? That wasn't my point at all, it was that you can't beat something by doing the samething. No one's going to adapt to something new unless there are immediate benefits. But this is funny.. it's Saints Row.. it's basically the biggest clone of GTA (ironically the most successful to). I take insult that they even made a sequel as if it's their game.

Voice acting.. both are mixed bags.. You get gems.. but most of it is laughably bad.

Voteforme2020

Saint's Row was fun, but I really don't think it stands a chance next to GTA...

posjed

@jayntampa: I agree with you, man. They both were good, but in some odd way, SR had the one-up in gaming enjoyment, IMO.

Paladin58

A game about trash, trash talking a game about trash. Classy.

Kojiro

@jayntampa: Halo 3/ CoD4 is not a good analogy to contrast with GTA/SR. Although they are both shooters, you can have both and expect 2 totally different experiences, and besides the fact that you are shooting, not even feel a similarity: one has vehicles and co-op, the other has perks and air support... In one you shoot aliens, in the other terrorists, etc. The truth is, from the myriad of shooters that came out last year, it would be very hard to find 2 that are as similar as GTA and SR. And the fact that SR was just slightly better than a PS2/Xbox game is not what's going to sell it to me. You can turn a car into a bomb, yeah, but can you enter any building, use internet, cop car computers to find people, etc? SR tried to be GTA 3 (+VC+ SA) and succeeded. Can SR2 be GTA4? I don't think so.

slomo788

i might rent it sometime...

joelface

@Thorax: I hope you aren't really that sensitive. If you are, the internet is not the place for you.

Spartan1308

@Voteforme2020: Funny you use Myspace as an example. Ever heard of Facebook? It's gaining on Myspace daily and expected to surpass it. Whatever happened to Yahoo? Oh yeah, Google. New products and software come along to one up the standard all the time. It does happen. To the guy who said GTA has better voice acting, no I don't think you played SR. GTAIV will undoubtedly sell tons more than SR2, but SR2 could still be a great experience.

Spartan1308

@jayntampa:
Yeah, but COD4 still didn't sell enough to truly compete with Halo 3. Besides, not only is COD an extremely popular franchise, most people I know say it is a lot better than Halo 3. I also think it's a little harder to dominate the FPS scene than it is to dominate the gangster sandbox scene.

gamadaya

I think it's ridiculous to say that both can't be released in the same year and be sucessful ... Halo 3 and COD4 came out and in the same year and the both sold great. I actually enjoyed Saints Row more than the recent GTAs ... I don't know which of these new ones I'll like better, but I'll give 'em both a try.

jayntampa

@dowingba: thats a lie because the guys behind Saints Row made Red Faction and Red Faction isnt ghetto because its on MARS.

@KaneRobot: you just made a new fan.

Saints Row is actually really fun. Not on the same level as GTA, but they did some things in that game that the guys on Rockstar should implement themselves.

What i don't see is how this game appeals to "ghetto trash" any more so than GTA will/does. They both are pretty much the same, especially with San Andreas only GTA managas to squeak by with a better story.

ArmyofJuan

Something for the bargain bin. Not that I think it will be a bad game, but I think I'll just wait until it's $20/$30 before I pick it up. GTA IV is definitely more my flavor. There's just something about those games that you can't beat. Sorry Volition.

peAr_nectAr

@KaneRobot: Really hope that calling a group of people "tards" cause they don't think your game of choice is worth picking up is ban worthy.

WITZBOLD! GO!

I'm also looking forward to this game. More GTA style games (along with the actual GTA) the better.

Thorax

Saint Row was surprisingly good, it was exactly like GTA with better controls, weapons, minigames.. Problem is, it doesnt matter how good it holds up against GTA, nobody cares because its not appealing enough. the game lacks flavor. They technically nailed it and had killer tracks but other than that.. the city was detailed and kinda well done on a technical side but it was bland, no history too few landmarks. the characters were simply awfully designed. I just hope they get more creative for the second one otherwise they don't stand a chance of selling this thing no matter how good it is, and it probably will be pretty awesome... sadly-

DirtyDebutant

@3inst3in: "if by "over the top" they mean stereo typed "

Righ right, because GTA kept it "real".

Oh brother...

NoBullet

@KaneRobot: Comparing a next-gen game to a last gen game (a la San Andreas vs Saints Row) isn't helping your argument. Saint's Row just took what GTA did and fine tuned it. Don't get silly however, it was just that... a fine tunning until the real deal came along.

I mean, while playing that game all I could think was "these people have no shame". It was robbery. Hell, I'll give 'em that they did a good job of mimicking GTA. Here's the sad truth: you'll never beat a game by doing it the same way, arguably (and this is very arguable) slightly better. There's a million social networking sites that copy off of Myspace, but Myspace is on top.

Oh, also, Grand Theft Auto's story lines have always been better than Saints Row, but both stories suck.. soo..

Voteforme2020

Am i the only one who thinks it's not a bad idea for them to release SR2 this year?

Benefits include:
- having a fan base who liked the original
- whatever scores / reviews it gets, SR2 can boast that it got them despite it being a GTA4 year
- not running away till next year to release SR2, during which everyone will say it only did so well because there was no GTA4

there was a similar strategy employed with the original xbox.

rrghy

I can't wait for either of them. When is SR 2 supposed to come out, and for what systems?

Amazon_Chris

This really is a silly decision by Volition to release the same year as GTAIV. why not try and win the market over on alternate years when GTAIV is becoming old hat, if thats even possible

GodzillaVsJapan

Well. Saint's Row has Keith David... and GTAIV has a protagonist who reminds me of the Russian in Armageddon. Either way I'm looking forward to both games.

And I like he's making a bold claim. Mark Messier did the same thing in 1994 and look what he did ;).

GordieHoweHatTrick: Roll Up The Rim Free Car #0

Those poor developers are dreaming if they think they have a chance of selling half as many copies as GTAIV.

Obviously they can't come out and say, "Yeah we are pretty screwed since our game cant compete at alL" but completely spinning the truth isn't much better.

Jaysunli

Ahhh, forget it. If some of you 'tards decide to skip SR2 because you thought SR was shit, that's your problem. Get your head checked.

KaneRobot

THQ would have to be crazy to think that Saint's Row would actually sell more than GTAIV, but that doesn't mean that it's not going to sell pretty well. I think it's a good sign that they aren't repositioning the title to launch during a GTA drought.

jrhawk42

I really liked GTA:3 and Vice City. San Andreas really wore on me though. There were just too many crappy mini-games for me. Fitness stuff and breaking and entering were just junk filler that made me turn off the game.

I have hopes for GTAIV but I'm left skeptical. Hopefully SR2 will deliver on some of the fun GTA leaves out.

Thimble

Christ some of you are annoying. Saint's Row was a fantastic game and fixed a lot of issues that GTA was still carrying - and judging by what EGM wrote this month (paraphrasing: "GTA4 could still learn a thing or two from Saints Row in regards to aiming") there is still a noticable discrepancy, too. Claiming Saints Row stinks of "wannabe ghetto trash" while not mentioning GTA:SA is pretty rich. SR is almost as intentionally humorous as it is intentionally serious in regards to the "gang warfare" storyline. Sheesh.

dowingba's fucking stupid comments make it sound like it's like the difference between Donkey Kong Math and Halo 3. Not even close.

KaneRobot

To Saints Row 2's credit, at least it doesn't look like poop on a screen, like GTA 4 does.

I just can't believe how awful that game looks when I see screen shots...especially since the whole graphics vs gameplay argument has kicked into over drive since the Wii came onto the scene.

That all said, I have zero interest in either of these games, so I reckon it hardly matters what I think anyway.

Mr. Fap☆Fap!

Reminds me of HD-DVD's press releases

Rockwallaby

@Luziphir: Have fun playing a crappy game.

Saint's Row wasn't bad, if you ignored the fact that they just photocopied GTA3 and put it on 360. That's fine, since there was no GTA on 360 at the time.

This time, you're going up against one of the biggest games ever to be released on the 360.

Good. Luck.

jynxycat

They think it will be competitive? Are they fucking kidding me? GTAIV will be a Halo 3 level event. Hundreds of millions of dollars in the first day alone. In fact, it's first hour sales may very well be greater than Saint's Row 2's lifetime sales.

gamadaya

Both games are on my buy list but anyone who dismissed Saints Row as a shitty clone should give it a rent at least while you're waiting for 4/29, cuz anyone who doesn't think Saints Row played heaps better (the humor and story is weaker) than GTA never played Saints Row. Free aim, music on foot, GPS, calling for a cab on your cell phone, this stuff is new to GTA but not new to the genre XD

Legba33

This is like the movie Postal going up against Indiana Jones, only Volition games aren't as shitty as Uwe Bolls' movies.

Trowble (XBL/PSN)

I never really liked GTA3, I thought saints row was great though. I'm probably going to give GTA4 a pass. I'll probably be grabbing SR2 on day one though.

Luziphir

@Gigith: Amen. GTA and Saint's Row probably both appeal to the "ghetto retards" you speak of, but at least GTA also appeals to real folks who just like playing really awesome games. Saint's Row, however, stinks of wannabe ghetto trash game made by and for wannabe ghetto trash.

dowingba

"From what I read they're going for more realistic, so we're going for more realistic too!"

They really enjoy that GTA rip-off title don't they?

slomo788

I never got Saints Row 1 because if hate the ghetto retards here in my town why would I want to play as them in a video game?

Gigith

I don't know. Saint's Row 2 definitely has the advantage in the area of bomb-induced gender reassignment surgery.

Mikaze

Saints Row will be pwned by GTA.

dowingba

Saint's Row 2 is doomed imo. Regardless of the confidence they may have, GTAIV is way in the lead with it's ad campaigns and the general awareness surrounding it.

Sandbox_Emperor

i enjoyed saints row because all i kept thinking was "hmm this is a decent gta clone".im sure there are those who will say saints row>gta but they have to be nuts.saints row lacks the music,the writing,the voice work,the style,the quality,and the substance of a gta.

saints row feels like that kid whos trying way to hard to be hip and down,in that order.

Truepatriot

Saints Row 2 doesn't even exist. It's a joke. :P

Voteforme2020

Saints Row 2 will be buried. Probably something I'll get to in, like, August or something.

Matt008

Eh, I definitely preferred Saints Row over GTA 3+. GTA can be bigger, better, etc., but Saints Row was just more fun.

That said, I haven't really been following either of these new games, so we'll see.

rbelmont000

I actually enjoyed Saints Row. It was fun in it's own way. But it wont be better then GTA IV. I'll probably be picking up both games tho.

Benjamin Linus

Is there meant to be an "of" in there somewhere?
I donno, just sounds like there should be.

Gigith

if by "over the top" they mean stereo typed and having the humor of ace ventura pet detective, then i agree.

3inst3in

saints row was fun, but coming out around the same time as GTA IV, the king of sandboxs, is gonna be bad for it

sjheiss