SO HEY HOW BOUT THAT IPHONE AND THE VIDEOGAMESES CRAZY HUH

let's drift back to that ol' topic how bout that kiddos

blamemyparents

@Candlejack: Sigh. Are you trying to discuss this subject, or are you just trying to pick a fight on the internets? Because you know what they say about arguing on the internet, about it being like competing at the special olympics and all that.

First of all, surely you did not miss why I said "JS is even better than Java." I said that in the context of whether it's a standard. Java is a brand owned by sun. JavaScript (actually called ECMA Script) is not owned by anyone, it's an official standard. From the standpoint of whether they can be considered standards, JS is better than Java, because it's more of a standard. Obviously, I'm not saying that JS is the better programming language than Java, or anything like that. I'm sure you understood that, so I don't quite understand why you're trying to argue this point with me.

Seriously, I suggest you read what I wrote again. I'm a bit at a loss for words here.

Second, please look up how Java works. Your question about who owns Java would be a fair one, would it not be asked in a post full of profanities. I'm going to explain this to you anyway, though:

- Sun owns the word "Java". They can say whether something can be called "Java."
- Sun does not own the Java implementation. The Java implementation is released under the GNU General Public License. It's open source, nobody owns it; anyone can take it and fork it, or write their own version (and many do, there are other open source versions, Apple has its own version, IBM has its own version)
- Sun manages the specifications, but they don't own them; everyone is free to create their own version of Java with extensions to the Spec, as long as they don't call it Java; and if they adhere to the Spec, they may call it Java

Also, you're seriously misguided when you suggest that "You still need to license it from them to distribute apps you program with it commercially." This is just blatantly false; I find it amusing that you claim I "pretend to be a coder" while at the same time claiming so obviously false and absurd things. It just so happens that I write Java and JS code for a living, so I would probably know if I had to license anything from Sun in order to be able to do so. In reality, you do not need to license Java from Sun or from anyone at all. Java is a free, open source standard, and you can do with it whatever the hell you want.

Which is precisely what differentiates it from Flash. You've still not explained to me why in the world you think Flash is a standard. I suggest that, instead of insulting me, you try actually making your point. So far you're just repeating your inane claim over and over again without showing any kind of evidence. You're not going to convince anyone with that strategy.

L_K_M

@L_K_M: Javascript and Java are indeed two different things, and you just proved you don't know what they're used for individually, by saying that one is better than another. Complete BULLSHIT. Java needs compiling, produces binary files independent from any sort of webpage-related aspect and was intended to combat C and its variants while Javascript is solely SCRIPT that is used in websites, is more basic and doesn't necessarily require a true virtual machine, like Java. Can you explain to me how you rate one better than another? Stop pretending to be a coder please.

Besides, if Sun doesn't own the rights to "Java" and thus the language, who does? Are you kidding me? They own the "brand name" but not the language? WTF?! You still need to license it from them to distribute apps you program with it commercially. HTML etc. are different in that aspect, yes.

Flash. Is. A. Standard. I'm ending it here, have fun with any further ghost responses.

Candlejack

@Candlejack: First of all, Java and JavaScript are two entirely different things. They're both reasonably standardized. Java is open source. There are third-party implementations of Java. JS is even better, it's an ECMA standard, and there are tons of implementations.

HTML is developed by an open organizations, the same is true for CSS.

No single organization owns JavaScript, HTML or CSS. Sun owns the brand name "Java," but does not own the actual programming language.

Flash is different.

There are no third-party implementations for Flash. Flash is owned by Adobe. Some versions of Flash were published by Adobe, but not fully, and always with restrictions ("The file format specification document is offered only to developers who agree to a license agreement that permits them to use the specifications only to develop programs that can export to the Flash file format," from Wikipedia).

JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN CREATE A WEB SITE WITH IT DOES NOT MEAN IT'S A STANDARD. Please look up the word "standard."

L_K_M

@Omega Xi: Yes, I am. Flash doesn't use any proprietary codecs, at least doesn't force you to do so.

Candlejack

Sega is a whore!

SuperNuttendo

@Candlejack: "Flash is no longer proprietary at all"

You sure about that? Just because the plug-in doesn't cost you anything to download, it doesn't mean it's free.

Omega Xi

@L_K_M: Flash is no longer proprietary at all. Besides, it IS a standard. What makes you think it isn't? That it's still being developed and improved?

You can design an entire website in Flash. Thus, it is on the same level as HTML/CSS/...

I bet Java/JS is a standard for you though, right? ;)

Candlejack

@iNime: I'm guessing you can normalize the accelerometer results, so you could probably have a game where you hold the iPhone like a PSP, but move it around to interact with the game.

@gigantor21: People don't buy iPhones for its features, they buy it for the UI. And no, there's no alternative, although the Android UI has some nice ideas, and the new Windows Mobile (the one whose design docs were leaked) looks interesting, too.

@Candlejack: Flash is not a standard. It's a proprietary Adobe format with some (outdated) published specs. It isn't anything like HTML at all.

L_K_M

PowerVR inside, multitactil screen, tilt sensor and from Apple.. mm.. I'll have a look on what they do for sure.

Bidule

waitwaitwait...

will this be for the iPod Touch, too?

i'm guessing yes, but i needs to know.

presto117

@MrSatan:

Flash does three things, only one of which is useful for the iphone.

1) banner ads. I would consider the lack of flash a feature.

2) flash games/interactive ads. Cool, but useless on an iphone since it has no mouse hover function anyway.

3)streaming video. OK, the lack of streaming flash video sucks hard, I will give you that.

labrats5

@Atheist Jew: "They won't see this"

I don't know why, but that sentence tickled me sir, well played. :-)

ManiacFive

I don't care for the iPhone or iPod Touch, but this is a great step up for mobile gaming in the States and Europe (if it's ever properly released for the EU nations).

"Console" like games on a mobile, decent playing ability, all this might actualy get the West up to the same level as Japan for these.

Kenofthedead

@MrSatan: 'Sactly. YouTube for example uses Flash only if I recall correctly. And so do nearly all modern browser games. Even retail computer games sometimes use Flash for their interface (e.g. Battlefield 2).

Even the PS3's browser does Flash...albeit a slightly outdated version that doesn't work for every site (;

Candlejack

@Candlejack: Agreed, flash is a standard that has been proven. Sure it is used for some negative things (popups, web banners) but it also is used for some great things as well. If Steve Jobs wants to sell this as a "mobile computer" then he needs some damn flash.

MrSatan

I can't believe the graphics actually looks better than Wii's.

Evo

@Rockwallaby: What the fuck? Flash is a widely recognized and accepted standard formerly produced by Macromedia, now by Adobe. That's like saying HTML or PHP is shit you moron. Go do some homework, better yet, get a proper education.

Candlejack

My friend will probably be the first to buy that.

Samos42

@gigantor21: I said nothing of an iphone. I said I hope this stuff will eventually work with the iPod touch.

Dauragon C. Mikado

@MrSatan: flash is shit

Rockwallaby

Lol, the iPhone can support games like this but it can't play flash. That is pathetic. I'd get one if Steve Jobs didn't have the device in a fucking death grip.

MrSatan

If any of us had to place bets on what features a DS2 or PSP2 would have, I guarantee you that a touch screen and tilt functionality would be right at the top of the list.

So whilst I have no interest in mortgaging my house to get an iPhone, I hope these games do well, because it might force Sony and Nintendo to start planning new and better systems.

Also, Virtual Console/PSN compatability, please?

V1L3

I fail to see how this is a bad thing, the iPhone is not in the same device category as the PSP or the DS even if the hardware is capable of supporting the same level of games, it's a mobile device and if anything might legitimize the mobile gaming industry beyond the 666th Tetris or Pipe Dream clone.

But I tend to forget that fanboys are fueled by hatorade and idiocy, mostly hatorade... and idiocy :(

zoesch

As soon as AT&T takes its deathgrip off iPhone I will buy it.

The Great Aussie Evil

@comedy: Uhh if you jailbreak it the iPod touch can do anything the iPhone can. It's way better than the iPhone if you don't need a phone. Double the capacity for the same price. The only downside is no speaker.

FinalFettuccinni

The iPhone is easily the best piece of technology I have ever purchased. And this is coming from someone who never owned an Apple product before.

Hate on it all you want, but the interface is awesome. It is unbelievably intuitive and after having one for less than a month, I don't know how I lived without one. The difference between it and a "normal" cell phone is like comparing DOS Shell to Windows XP.

jslay012

@MrPerson: Wrist straps, rubber padding...

...this is a strange new world we live in.

Sabre_Justice: Okay, no more long name.

Ouendan 3 confirmed!

Superstar90 lieks mudkipz

I can see Monkey Ball working as a "mobile phone" style game. Well, even if this IS Monkey Ball... I fully expect lots of broken iPhones both from it slipping out from between their fingers as they try to jerk away from a cliff, and from it getting tossed at walls in frustration.

MrPerson

You guys are right. I hate it when developers make games. How dare they.

eboku

@Dauragon C. Mikado: When I replace my Ipod, I'll just get the 120 GB Video version instead. As many have pointed out, there are cheaper phones with better functionality, so putting all that cash on an Iphone is pointless. :/

gigantor21

Interesting, but the fingerprints on the screen would KILL me. I wipe my phone enough as it is.

*goes back to playing MAME on Palm*

@catapult37: Yes, may it, on the person who summoned it without just cause.

Billkwando

That being said, this is totally interesting, hopefully this stuff will work on the touch also. I will definitely love to play me some monkey ball when I eventually replace my current ip00d

Dauragon C. Mikado

@Milihpen: Exactly...you hit the nail. Why buy an iPhone when all it does is make phone calls and play games that don't live up to even GBA standards. Its organizer features are deeply inferior to other, cheaper mobiles as well. I have to quote Ballmer here who once said something like "Apple threw the most expensive phone ever on the market and it doesn't do anything different".

Pointless. I can listen to music & take photos with my (by now dated) K800i. That must have come out like 1-2 years ago. So, yea, I'm part of the "hi iPhone, I don't want or need you, not even want to know about your existence"-crowd. And maddox joins me :)

Candlejack

@L_K_M: Yeah this whole anti-apple jazz is so dumb. It's almost like if you own a machine with windows or linux you are supposed to hate apple. Gain some perspective. It's a goddamn computer. Get a fucking life.

Dauragon C. Mikado

As an iPhone owner I'm excited. The games aren't going to compete with consoles or even the PSP, but you can't tell me they couldn't be better than half the shit that's on the DS. Cooking Mama is perfect for the iPhone.

xgenius

yay! Cant wait to play it!

ffmusicdj

my only gripe with accelerometer based games on the iPhone is that the orientation to which you are now forced to hold the damn device. Sore necks to surely follow as you can't hold the damn thing at a tilt without causing an accelerometer message. Thus to keep it 'steady', you'll be hunched over this thing, looking straight down over it. Thanks, but no thanks. Just gimme some traditional inputs not some overly exagerrated input. i would rather push a button than have to tilt the damn things all different directions and altering my view of the screen etc. I wish they would stop putting games on devices for the sake of whoring out the tilt functionality. Why not focus on replicating input that matches traditional inputs via a touchscreen.. ya know, a touchscreen implementation of dual analog and tweaking sensitivity based on accelerations for actions to be more discerning.

sorrry i'm ranting, back to my [INSERT REAL GAMING DEVICE HERE]

iNime

Upscale the art? The Wii version didn't properly work for them eh? lulz I kid.

sUKi

@Nintenboy01: Oops sorry, not Nvidia but a PowerVR GPU. So it may be capable of at least Dreamcast-level graphics.

Nintenboy01

I believe the iPhone has an nVidia GPU and a 600+ MHz processor so it may be capable of better graphics than even the PSP or PS2.

Nintenboy01

@catapult37: EA, AOL, Sega and others had 2 weeks to make thesse demos. Both spore and monkey ball use the acelerometer to move characters around.

The Acelerometer is a 3 axis one like any other, so it can be incorporated in many things. How complex the graphics can be. I still don't know, but i wouldn't think is gonna be a psp competitor.

I also don't think the iphone/touch are gonna be competing with the DS or PSP. But rather have not such sucky mobile games on it (compared to cell phones).

Falsoman

@catapult37: Sega had it for two weeks, it seems.

L_K_M

@Manny: I take it you've never seen an iPhone screen, then.

Man, you can really see gamer brains at work here. "Apple! iPhone! Quick, I must think of something negative to post! No time to think, though!"

L_K_M

@greeble: So basically, your looking for the rumoured PSP Phone.

Ajay

@Candlejack:
Why by an iPhone just to make phonecalls when you can do that with the other 30,000 devices out there?
I'm personally looking forward to what might develop for this new software platfo

Milihpen

What's funny is that I know the guys at Sega Mobile working on this game. Hi Lance! Hi Alex!

They won't see this.

Atheist Jew

iPhone is not in any way on my radar of things to buy (I have Verizon anyways) and games aren't going to help it. My friend let me mess with his for a little bit and I personally think it's annoying not having buttons. That being said MonkeyBall does look like the perfect game for it.

MJDeviant

I'd just like to point out, i read the press conference, the iphone isnt becoming a port of a ds because the ds doesnt have an accelerometer. You control the monkey with the accelerometer.

streetUK

This looks pretty awesome. Did Sega get the SDK in advance? How long have they had it? I know the iPhone has some motion sensing -- like for when you're looking at photos and hold it portrait or landscape. I wonder how sensitive it is -- it would be sweet to play monkey ball as if you were actually holding the world in your hands.

@Comedy: May the hammer fall swifty and silently. Can't even be bothered to spell "ipod" correctly?

catapult37

Actually it has an accelerometer, so you get tilty, not touch screen for that game. Seriously if this "phone" had proper buttons and a directional pad there would be no need for a ds or psp.

greeble

Ok....what's so good about this game? The sheer idea of *playing* on that... thing is just nothing I ever would want to do.

I'd rather have an iPhone for something abstract like making phone calls. No joke. Keep the games on handhelds please. Games on mobiles have always been a huge f*cking waste of time. And they even charged for them, LOL. I sure as shit never paid for those little Java crap-apps and am happy I didn't.

/vent

Candlejack

I was just looking at the Spore article, then, back on the front page I see "Apple", "Sega", "Super Monkey Ball" in the same article skeleton as the Spore one and I thought April 1st was coming early or something for a moment.

Zegridathes

@comedy: You're a fucking genius commenter, man.

Seriosuly, you guys are complaining about real games coming to a handheld you're admittedly not interested in buying? For real? Dorks. Get back to work, what do you think we're paying you for? Sheeit.

multimoog

I wonder how powerful the iPhone is... as powerful as the PSP perhaps?

480x320 screen...

Astrofox

"We had to fly in a developer to upscale the art for the iPhone."

It's amazing this guy didn't choke to death with the amount of shit flying out his mouth.

Manny

I'll buy that if it includes super monkey race with phone tilting steering action!

L_K_M

By the way, was Super Money Ball intentional? Sure seems that way! Go $ega!

Nintenboy01

You mean the didn't even HAVE a developer in the first place? Who made the art then, a 3-year old?

Nintenboy01

Here comes the flood!

Crosswayboy

So, this is basically going to be a DS port machine?

I_Hate_This_Place

Unless they get the original Half Life on there, I am not interested.

MasterOfPastures

Hee hee. "Super Money Ball".

Oops. yet appropriate.

lionkitten

Wow, actually looks quite nice.

I wonder what graphics related hardware is found inside the iPhone.

StopTheOncoming

Now I can get frustrated with a touch screen!

How I love/hate you SMB.

WallaJoy- Snorlax?

In other words, it's the oldest one at the kids table who condescends to all other kids and longs to be with the grown-ups.

Moonshadow101

bleh. f'ing ippod. i hate it's guts.

comedy