It seems that sony will put it later but not now, the game is too fresh for it. *looking @ UT3 free content after 3 months*

Gambare

@ManjiKengo: And maybe it's not cost-effective. Maybe Sony can't afford to blow $50 million extra dollars on something that will net them, at best, maybe $20 million, at best.

Polywhirl

@CQC_NastyN8: that 08 lineup is full of shit. not that the games suck but many will not come out this year.

Let me go get my bullshit gamestop release lists tomorrow.

ManjiKengo

lol at the amount of feelings caught in the comments. posting the whle sony 08 lineup just because of DLC...hahaha...its not a big deal right?...yea ok

musicgangATL

@CQC_NastyN8: let's not get into the "which lineup is gonna pwn in 08" argument.. most of those games won't even come out.. and if you go out and search for a 360 lineup and post it you'll se that it's titles are perfectly capable of providing some fierece competition for the ps3 this year! but let's not..

henri1kk

@CQC_NastyN8:DAMN! I can't believe I missed so many! I've been watching too much Spice & Wolf! ^^

Sweet Tooth

Cocky, but true - all three are some of the very best selling games on consoles.

And being a sandbox player, I really don't care to buy add-ons. Even after a ton of playing I'm sure there are areas I don't see normally - and I do stupid stuff like drive up the side of the dam in GTA3 or use the bicycle jump glitch in GTA:SA to just wander aimlessly.

fuchikoma

@pb00: Are you really sure you know what your talking about? If you would have actually read the previews you would know that if Gorilla get this right it could blow the shit out of every other shooter, yes even Resistance 2 and even your precious Halo 3 (but Call of Duty 4 already did that so...). But that only if they get it right, and it's very possible they will not.

svexo

@cduran02: You only played GTAII? you, my friend, have a long way to go.

Sweet Tooth

@JorgieX: ummmmm. Where do I begin?
Each MGS has sold millions of copies, so I think its fanbase is pretty big and most people wouldnt consider it niche.
The gameplay in the MGS series is what appeals to most people , so I wouldn't call it lackluster. I don't think GTA4 multiplayer will suck because of the lack of an in game XMB and GTA was never exclusive to sony. The GT series is a system seller thats why Sony usually bundles it with a console. And one more thing. I know my grammar is far from perfect, but please read over your comment before you post it. I feel just a tiny bit dumber after reading through it.

Noks415

@Polywhirl: Of course it's a bad idea. Sony is full of good ideas. They can't let something like exclusive rights to mini expansions for one of the biggest selling game series to grace their console family ever muddle their perfect record of good ideas and never-failings.

ManjiKengo

@ManjiKengo:

PR is two words, and so is bullshit :p To re-iterate, to find a marketing head of a company downplay the strength of another isn't uncommon. Now if he had applauded them, he'd be a total idiot, wouldn't he?

SG79

@CQC_NastyN8: This isn't really needed my friend. ugh..

[KU]Shindokie: Hates The New Layout!

@cduran02: The series has changed quite a bit since number 2. Try three or later.

InsidiousTuna

there will always be sequels.. and that's both a good and a bad thing! it's good because it can take a good game, add in some user input and release an even better game.. it's bad because it can take the same game and screw it up.. i speak for myself but when i buy a game and enjoy it, i always keep my eye out for the sequel!

henri1kk

Sony 08 line up. Some could change
SOCOM
Metal Gear Solid 4
Metal Gear Online
White Knight Story
Disgaea 3
MLB The Show
NBA 09
LittleBigPlanet
Gran Turismo 5
Killzone 2
Gretzky NHL 09
Senjou no Valkyria/Valkyrie of the Battlefield
Imabikisou
Haze
Hotshots golf 5
Tekken 6
Tears to Tiara
Yakuza 3
Singstar
Eyedentify
Home
Wipeout
Ni-Oh
echochrome
Coded Arms Assault
Fifth Phantom Saga
Steambot Chronicles 2
Heavy Rain
WarDevil
Record of Agarest War/Agarest Senki
Way of the Samurai 3
Resistance 2
Final Fantasy XIII
Afrika
Eight Days
Infamous
Motorstorm 2
God of War 3
LA Noire
Shin Megami Tensei
Naruto exclusive game
Heavy Rain
At least one of the 3 eat sleep play exclusive games
Heavenly Sword 2
Getaway 3
flOwer
Terra: Formations
Redwood Falls
Angel Rings
Rengoku: The End of the Century
Lord of Vermilion
Driver (rumored to be exclusive)
Megazone 23: Aoi Garland
BRAVE ARMS
SECOND
Chain Limit
Airtight PS3 Project [Untitled]
Wagan Midnight
Mist of Chaos
Factor 5 Project #2 [untitled]
Uncharted 2
Omikron 2
Kurayami
Project D
The Wall (PC also)
Tecmo Action-Adventure [Untitled]

CQC_NastyN8

@symphony_of_the_night: shit if sony was approached first and turned them down, wow way to fucking go.

ManjiKengo

I hate to say it, but Sony should reconsider this position. GTA IV exclusive content was a major part of my decision to go for a 360 over a PS3. I actually waited a while to pick a console. Still waiting to buy it, actually, though I've already gotten games in anticipation. The deciding factors for me?

The 360's earlier release means 2 games I'm interested in only ever came out on the 360 for next-gen.

I can use the GH3 guitar in Rock Band.

GTA IV exclusive content.

It costs less, though I do grant Sony that the Blu-Ray is a major part of the PS3's value. If I was interested in getting into HD movies, that could have been a factor. But I, like a lot of people, aren't yet. I might be in a few years, but not now. So, Sony lost someone who never had an original XBox. Yeah, it may not be a huge difference, but little differences add up and people like me add up, too. I still want a PS3 down the line, but its not given me a good reason to buy it as of yet.

BStu

@joelface: Yeah, but the ratio of GTA buyers to DLC purchasers is WAAAYYYY lower. I mean, 50% of Xbox owners don't even have it connected to the internet.

@ManjiKengo: Sony can still do the same. There's nothing stopping them. It's just obvious they think it's a bad idea.

Polywhirl

Im not getting either, I've never been into GTA, I got to play II once on a rental and that was it.

cduran02

@Kermi:

My mistake. You do have a point. I'll add that an AV enthusiast, I saw more value in the PS3 so I took a gamble initially and went for BD. For many months, it was a RR7 and T5DR machine.

SG79

@SG79: THATS RIGHT, but sequel isn't the word of the day.

PR Bullshit is.

ManjiKengo

@JorgieX: you call MGS3 (which sold over 4 million copies and has a 3rd person camera) Niche?

Sweet Tooth

@Sweet Tooth: i was retorting to the dude saying that the ps3 had the most original exclusive titles.

Obviously it doesn't with its MANY sequels just like the 360.
@Polywhirl: the original release date for gta4 was in october.

That article was written before the blunder of ps3 programming.

ManjiKengo

This is why Sony will die. Underestimating the competition always spells doom for executives with big ego. True for Sega, Nitendo, Microsoft, etc. Sony is no exception.

ssh83

Uh, Oblivion says otherwise. The core game is WAY bigger than GTAIV, and it still sold a ton of DLC.

NoBullet

@ManjiKengo: "Also, M$ paid 50 million for exclusive 360 content to be put on xbox live for downloadable content. Sony would do it too if M$ hadn't beaten them first."

I think i saw somewere that rockstar aproached sony first , but sony didn't want to pay them...or did i dream that ?

symphony_of_the_night

@ManjiKengo:

Like Halo 3, Forza 2, Gears of War 2, Ninja Gaiden II, DOA4 etc.

Sequels dominate the industry, and this particular posting is about yet another sequel.

SG79

Is he saying GTA4 on PS3 won't have any downloadable content at all then?

aka Bitter

@Evil Tortie's Mom: That's a pretty cool way to play games. Unfortunately still not immune to the influence of hype but cool none-the-less.

floppylobster

@Evil Tortie's Mom: you sir, are the smartest of us all ;)

henri1kk

@dsmx: You're forgetting those that will buy the 360 version over the ps3, which was msofts aim. Not to make more, but to stiff sony. Besides, with a 10 bil or so deficit the xbox is currently burning into them, "cost beneficent" isn't something I think they're even aware of.

rdj

@ManjiKengo:

lol.. theres no way to know. i was just saying that if there WAS a framerate difference.. not that there actually is.

joelface

@dsmx: with an install base of over 18million consoles and GTA IV being one of the hottest games of the year I don't think it'll be a problem! i think the "price" of the DLC will be set according to the importance of said DLC.. but they said it was substancial.. so i hope it's something really good or I won't be wasting my points!

henri1kk

@dsmx:

GTA4 will sell WAYYYYY more than 2 million. wayyy more.

joelface

@DARTH_TIGRIS: Yo wassup Tigris, Hell yeah that is my point exactly..How can SONY say such bull shit like that. People on XBLive are addicts to DLC it's just now that SONY is getting into it and then want to claim that people don't want to DL stuff. The reason being that the options on PSN don't ven come close to the offerings of XBL Marketplace.

JorgieX

@JorgieX:

I don't know many people who play GTA so does that make it less popular than it really is? Using personal preferences to judge something is rather silly, as is the reference to some friends.

Like it or not, MGS has a huge fan base and always managed to go platinum in every region (I'm aware of MGS3 selling less than MGS2 in the US if anyone cares to pick). It's far from niche.

You "hate" racers, but the fact that the GT games go platinum (not just budget line pricing) speaks volumes.

But there's a shocker, a marketing head of a company downplaying the strength of a competitor. Can't recall that happening before.

SG79

@ManjiKengo: Don't forget the next Twisted Metal, GOW3(God of War, not Gears of War), SOCOM 4, Team ICO project, Motorstorm 2, any Naughty Dog Game, Final Fantasy XIII, Heavy Rain (even I care about the little titles), and (hopefully) Crysis.

Sweet Tooth

@ManjiKengo: You mean this article?[kotaku.com]
The one that states the official release date for the DLC in March '08 and then "later"? The DLC is supposed to come out in Q1 Fiscal '08 for at least one of them. That means close to the release date.
@Arttemis: They will cherish those five gamers who had to choose multi-platform, and chose solely for that DLC. Because, honestly, that's how many people it affects.

Polywhirl

@joelface: What? who said the framerate was worse? Surely you jest.

ManjiKengo

I think he is right about downloading additional content for a game that already has a huge amount of original content. Its GTA - how much more can DLC expand the core storyline? If its just additional side mission type of content thats akin to ME, does it really make that much more of a difference? More car-jacking and killing of pedestrians/hookers/cops/etc?

SumDum_Guy

I don't care, since:

A) I have neither PS3 or 360.
B) I just got Vice City yesterday.

All the hype about IV stuck in my head enough to get me to get VC.

So by the time I get around to IV, I'll know whether the DLC is worth it. :D

Thanks, early adopters!

Evil Tortie's Mom

@joelface: Sadly Money will always speak louder then the crowd or the fans of that certain game. It sucks. :/

Anyone else believe that so many people are going to get banned once the comparisons come out. It's going to be horrible.

[KU]Shindokie: Hates The New Layout!

@DigiMish: what r u talking about you don't consider Ninka Gaigen a sequal to an already old game, how about Killzone 2, Motorstorm 2, GT5 shall I continue..ratchet and clank, Ridgracer7, and many more to come in the form of multi-platform....c'mon state the truth as best as you can.....!

JorgieX

"Why not put it in the game when it comes out?"

Yes, I'll say it. For the first time ever.

HAHAH LULZ DVD9

Also, M$ paid 50 million for exclusive 360 content to be put on xbox live for downloadable content. Sony would do it too if M$ hadn't beaten them first.

ManjiKengo

Lets assume that 2 million people buy GTA4 on the xbox 360, we know microsoft payed 50 million for the 2 extra mission things whatever they are that means for microsft to even break even on this assuming everyone buys both content packs they will have to sell them at $25 dollars for each pack.

As far as I can see microsoft will have to charge the price of a full game to even break even on this deal I don't really see casuals being swayed by having to pay that much for extra content.

dsmx

i hate that the ps3 doesn't get the extra content, and i know some people will get the 360 version simply because of that, no matter if the framerate is worse, or whatever...

...so i think its lame. but unless theres something really epic in the DLC, i dont think it will be a huge deal.

..but if its a bunch of co-op episodes... you can BET that i'll be making some microsoft voodoo dolls to torture. paying money to make sure i get a lesser experience for a game that i pay for! FUCK.

joelface

It does'nt change the fact that as a title that could actually shift consoles people may ask themselves if they are going to buy a console for GTAIV; which is better?

The one with the exclusive content or the one without but is considerably more expensive.

With the DLC and recent price drop I think MS made the right move and for a game with such a huge rabid fanbase I think a majority of the hardcore GTA fans wont think twice about getting a 360 just for the DLC.

And just to finish, Gran Turismo is a nice game and all that but I would'nt compare it to GTA as a console seller and when MGS4 finally comes out (if its actually good, I'm looking at you MGS2!) what are they going to fall back on then? Killzone 2? The first one was a barely decent shooter! Maybe Resistance 2 but its hard to call that a console seller when you can only compare it to the original which is of course, would mean you would have to own a PS3 anyway.

Rant mode de-activated.

Sniper_Zegai

@SG79: I'm in Australia, the high price of videogaming has never gone away for me.

My point was that arguing about Sony's superior originailty compared to Gears 2, Halo Wars and Fable 2 isn't well substantiated by examples like Resistance 2, Killzone 2, Gran Turismo 5, etc. Not when there's games like LittleBigPlanet capturing peoples imagination.

Kermi

@DigiMish: like:Metal Gear Solid FOUR,Gran Turismo FIVE, Killzone TWO, Resistance TWO.

ManjiKengo

got my ps3 copy pre-ordered. extra episodes would be cool but i can survive....thanks to MGS4.

resetbutton

Nice to know that this thread isn't just another argument between PS3 or 360 fanboys...oh wait.

@DigiMish:
You've made my day by writing that Sony games are more original, while at the same time listing like four or five sequels.

@GrlGmr:
That's pretty much it, though I think they guy's response was a little weak. "Well, the 360 gets DLC for GTA, but just wait 'cause we have all these awesome exclusives coming up."
I've been hearing that about the PS3 ever since it was released and it's still hasn't happened.

schizosid

@DigiMish: i don't think that sequels can be automatically labeled as unoriginal titles.. if any new player were to play fable and fable 2, apart from the artwork, he wouldn't be able to tell that they're from the same series.. i think the ps3 has a lot of great games coming this year but the repertoire of 1st party 360 games coming out in '08 is able enough to compete with those titles!

henri1kk

Personally, I'm not buying GTA IV, but my stand on DLC is this: If you have all this extra content, why not put it into the game before you release it? Now I understand Rock Band's case (attempting to be a videogame iTunes) but take EA for example, If you have these extra guns in Battlefield, why make people pay for them?

I just want companies to focus on making full games, I don't want to pay an additional $10 for weaponry or maps after buying a $60 game. Now, having extra missions to flesh out the story of a game might be worth it, but I just want to play a complete game. (If a company gives out stuff for free, like the Unreal 3 map pack, I'm fine with that though.

TheCleaningGuy

Everybody, this is the perfect example of a non-sequitur argument- you can stick this in a dictionary.

LOL, talk about deflecting attention away from the DLC. That's a tried and true PR maneuver.

"Ummm... yeah, we have some cool games coming out later."

I still love the people who think the DLC will come to the PS3 at some later date.

Oh, and for those that think its going to be small content, Rockstar has already said that this DLC will be massive. People are going to buy it.

Epic win for Microsoft

Snuffbox

how many people play GTA for the story or the missions? it's a sandbox game, i play as far as i have to to unlock the whole map and all the weapons/vehicles, and then forget the story (not that i ever paid much attention to it in the first place) and spend my time causing mayhem. i don't think i've ever completed a GTA game and from the looks of it this one isn't going to persuade me otherwise. if they added whole new areas to the map it'd be different, but i doubt they'd do that because it'd take too much time and result in both versions being too differentiated from each other, which i can't see rockstar wanting to do.

lordofsword

@Kermi:

The high price is back? The so-called originality of titles this generation has been pretty much non-existent. We're seeing more shooters than ever, with some differences that don't quite amount to new experiences. There are some new IP's out there, but they're not quite original (ie. Bioshock, Uncharted etc.)

SG79

This is so much BS I need to go wipe my ears of this jealousy...lol

MGS4 is a great IP but not a huge fanbase I never liked the game and as many of my real life friends either. The camera was horrid the controls sucked and the gameplay was lack luster it just has a nitche following and even some friends here at the local BestBuy and Gamestop are not making the jump to the PS3 even with the dualshock3 bundle of MGS4. As far as GTA4 is concerned that have to down play it since the PS3 players won't have and rumble, downloadable episodes (i'm sure they'll get some DL crap) and the online will suck since you don't have in game XMB and more than half of PS3 owners don't even have/use a mic while online. So for me a multi system owner there is no debate the 360 version will be the best value. Oh SONY don't be made that you lost your lil exclusive IP. GT5 prologe......please let me not go there either. I hate racing game period on any system...System sellers..? OK???

JorgieX

Sarcasm really is Kotaku's best friend, isn't it?

And in other news...keep your MGS4, Sony. I'll be buying a 360 in time for Ninja Gaiden II.

Heartwork

I'm probably like the only one, but I'm a 360 owner who dosen't really give a crap that there's extra content after GTA4 with the DLC stuff.

Syndicated Terence

@CQC_NastyN8: i got san andreas cause it was new jack city mixed with boyz n tha hood.@pb00: kz 1 sucked so hard.g@Polywhirl: the dlc content will not be released at the exact same time as the game comes out. Go back and read the kotaku articles talking about the 2 25 million buck episodes.

ManjiKengo

look if your a big gta fan(me) and have access to a 360 theres no reason to buy for the ps3.ill be buying the dlc on day one.i have put in 100hrs+ into all the gtas(from 1 till SA)and after a while it would be nice to buy an expansion for the world youve come to know.but dont worry sony come june 12th, im buy your mgs4 bundle =)

best of both worlds.

omg gta is so close!

Truepatriot

I think the GTA4 DLC will be pretty sweet, however I'm with MCWHAMMER my 360 just fucks up too much so I tend to get multi-platform game on my PS3 if they're available. And big ups to henri1kk for being a straight up gamer.

svexo

don't know how many people have said it but I have to say it

Oh Snap!!!

Ruisu

@ManjiKengo: that's why I said most. even if they don't get attention...like Primal on PS2.

Sweet Tooth

@DigiMish: I hate to get involved in these console pissing contests because I honestly don't prefer one over the other any more - the only thing holding me back from getting a PS3 is the high price and lack of exclusives I want that are currently available for purchase. That will probably change this year and my prediction I will buy a PS3 circa XMas '08 that I made when picking up my 360 in November '06 will pan out without any deliberate interference on my part.

But you can't throw out a list like "MGS4, GT5P, Resistance 2, LBP, Killzone 2" and say Sony isn't suffering in the originality of titles department.

As far as the episodic content is concerned, has any official rep actually said this will be restricted to DLC? I was under the impression this episodic content was going to be in the same scope of Vice City and San Andreas was to the original GTA3. Doesn't strike me that that kind of content will be limited to DLC, especially since we know the PS3 version is getting DLC as well. Just not exclusive DLC.

Kermi

As far as exclusives go it's just a matter of preference. However if someones buying a system just for GTA (as stupid as that is) the dlc probably would nudge them towards the 360.

t0yrobo

@Polywhirl: I believe any increase in sales because of the DLC will also be considered profit returned, adding to the amount gained from the content alone.

To be clear, I'm never fond of the idea around "exclusive" anything. Hiring the designing company to create additional content to sell is one thing- but barring competition from paying for and redistributing it is another (read: dirty) thing.

Arttemis

@Maldron: yes, because everyone knows that if you have guns in the game, it'll automatically be UNORIGINAL and BORING. //sarcasm

I can add Home, Haze, Motorstorm 2, and Ace Combat 6 to the list. If you look closely at these 4, you will realize that they're all completely different genres. Haze is an FPS, but it pushes originality with the whole drug system.

Ace Combat 6 will sell a ton in Japan (for those that haven't bought it for the 360).

Look, Microsoft has some stellar games this year too, but all of them are sequels like Halo, GoW, Fable.

Sony has more unique, original games. I don't want to argue with you ;)

DigiMish

@henri1kk: I agree with you, but I think Sony is the lesser of two evils at the moment. We need to keep them in balance because that's the only way to stop them abusing us. Give any one of them too much rope & they'll start strangling us with it.

ErskinPig

@GrlGmr:

just like when Sony PR to downplay exclusives [kotaku.com]

ManjiKengo

@DigiMish:
Why the hell are people still using Kill Zone 2 to hype the PS3. Other then some FMVs theres nothing about that game that warrants any hype. Hyping KZ2 == fanboism.

pb00

I'm getting this for the PS3 only because that's the system I have.
Also -I rarely say this- but the PS# controller is (for me) the better controller suited for GTA (along with fighting games). As for the extra content, I'll be too busy with the other games to care and if I get desperate, that's what friends are for.

goldwings

@ShareYourTreats: Heh, better get used to it because it's just going to get worse & worse so long as people support it. I try to be the voice of reason here, but it seems too many people just can't get enough of throwing their money at MS & Sony. At least this DLC seems like it'll be substantial, but we'll see.

We'll see.

ErskinPig

@Musai: I'd rather they finished the games and released them complete. (See - Beautiful Katamari). If they have anything to add to their work once they've finished then release it for free or save the idea for the next game.

Like expansion packs DLC is a cheap way of making money. Sure we get new levels and 'add-ons' to games but when money has been the biggest factor in a creative process(not the only factor - but the biggest) then the content is never the best it could be. It's like sequels to Hollywood movies, they know they have a core audience so they make something to cash in without the big development cost.

Now it's okay to take the side of the poor game developer, I know they all live in cardboard shacks and barely have enough to feed their families. But I still say it's a shit idea to make people pay extra. If your downloadable content is that good then shouldn't it be driving sales of your original game? Thereby still generating you income? It's financial - not for the benefit of gamers - like memory cards were. Not the "best thing to happen to gaming".

floppylobster

when you consider its no new places to visit its just a few missions its nothing

Zaos

@ErskinPig: they are all slimey bastards.. they only think about profit and they'll say whatever they want to get more money.. you talk about microsoft but what about all the overhyping, fake propaganda (putting HUD's on CGI movies and saying "hey, look what the ps3 can do!") sony came up with to sell their console.. please.. do not diss on one company because it wants to make profit at ny cos.. they all do!

henri1kk

@BlazinNoni: Um, and for what reasons don't you? That was a perfectly reasonable statement from him.

Candlejack

@Musai: Either way, where was your moral indigination when the Microsoft lawyer was being a total jackass, yesterday? [kotaku.com]
I assume your hypocrisy on this issue blinded you to it.
And he's not even stating that DLC is bad. He's just saying only an idiot would pay for DLC the same day they bought the game. Here's the thing: Legally, the exclusive DLC for GTA:IV has to go up as soon as the game comes out. Microsoft paid them the money, and part of the deal is that it's supposed to come out in April. That means, that right when people have just bought a 100+ hour game, they're having another 20+ hours shoved into their faces, at the low, low, price of $20 for something they don't need. And a lot less people are going to remember it several months after it's out.

Polywhirl

@ShareYourTreats: There's a difference between extra content, and paid unlockable content.

We're talking about extra content.

Ashurahori

@DigiMish: You see, you can say that with that lineup, but the easy retort is that you've listed three games with guns, a demo of a full title to be released later, and a sandbox game. Hardly original, and not as much variation considering 3/5 of them involve using gun violence to solve problems.

Maldron

i fucking HATE DLC these days
when it was new i was all for it but not everyone is charging extra money for something that should have been in the game in the first place

ShareYourTreats

@MCWHAMMER: you see...i really don't believe that...

BlazinNoni

OK I really never cared for GTA to be honest. The only reason most of the people buy GTA is to just shoot shit. No many care about the story or the missions and now that there is multiplayer coming to the game that will be another reason why people buy it. Im more interested in games like MGS4 which have a solid story and unique game play.

Going back to the extra content. It will sell a lot cause people are just dumb enough to buy it. The game already has 100 hours of game play and at that point an time I'll would most likely move onto another game. I also just find it pretty sad that MS spent 50mil on extra content instead of using that money to fund a new EXCLUSIVE IP cause they need more exclusive games. SONY this year has tons of exclusives coming out and plus there gonna make money off GTA4 as well. This year is going to be SONYS no doubt

CQC_NastyN8

@Lanhoj: I'm sorry friend, but Sony will have the best game lineup in 2008, and I'm sure many people will agree with me.

Like you mentioned, the 360 will also get GTAIV, Fable 2, GoW2, and Halo Wars (which will not be anywhere near successful as its FPS cousins).

Besides GTAIV, Sony has MGS4, GT5P, Resistance 2, LBP, Killzone 2.

In terms of originality and variation, Sony has a hella of a lot more offering compared to the 360.

360 took 2007, but Sony will take 2008.

DigiMish

Tis the PS3 version for me seeing as how i have the past 3 titles on the PS2.

CenatorC

He's a Sony PR guy. What do you expect him to say?

"It was a great move on Microsoft's part. Loaning Rockstar money in exchange for exclusive content was a stroke of genius. It's really going to hurt sales of the game on our console."

The only reason he's downplaying it is because the competition thought it up first. If the shoe was on the other foot and it was Sony that had the exclusive content, then do you think he'd be shrugging it off?

GrlGmr

@musicgangATL: I seriously doubt that. Is it true that MS are giving away 500 MS points if you buy the 360 version? Spin it however you want, but that's bribery in my book. They're such underhand, slimey bastards, they really are. God help us if they ever join forces with EA.

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ErskinPig

@Sweet Tooth: thing is, the first party titles aren't ALWAYS great and I can't believe you've bought 27 ps3 games.

@Candlejack:Candlejack you are a funn.........

ManjiKengo

@symphony_of_the_night:

Actually the devs have stated the DLC will be significant, not like Mass Effect. It is supposed to open up the missing burough basically.

pb00

this year they're gonna battle it out! on the ps3 side we have GT 5 Prologue, MGS4, Haze (exclusive or not? only time will tell), Killzone 2, Resistance 2, Home, LittleBigPlanet, etc... on the 360 side we have Gears of War 2, Too Human, Fable 2, Banjo-Kazooie 3 (yeah, i'm looking forward to it!), Halo Wars, Alan Wake, Ninja Gaiden 2, etc.. these are titles that definitely push hardware and 2008 and is going to be the decisive year in my opinion! i have a 360 and i'm really looking forward to this year's titles but i have to admit the ps3's lineup is pretty delicious! not to mention the array of 3rdparty titles like GTA IV (i will be downloading the episodic content, thank you), SW: FU, Fallout 3, Silent Hill 5 and Resident Evil 5, etc.. great time to be a gamer!

henri1kk

@Magic Emperor Anima: Here's to you, well, us, eh, you get the idea. :) I can often not stand the corny storyline of GTA titles and dropout 3/4 through.

Candlejack

I agree with the "no DLC" BUT not at the release, DLC is a sweet extra a month or two, even three months after the release of the game, DLC based in new chapters, maps, etc. it maintains fresh the game, but yes, agree about the no DLC AT LAUNCH, but yes at DLC LATER.

Gambare

@jynxycat: One rotten apple. The others in the bag are juicy, specially the Shivering Isles one.

Ashurahori

@Polywhirl: Not really what he said. He brought up the games after questioning the integrity of a proven model that has done quite well for itself.

I'd say he was being a jackass.

Musai

@TheLastGunslinger: shivering islands was an expansion, not download content ...
i don't think that the gta 360 dlc will be a new story like that, will be more places, cars , clothes or the usual 20 minutes sh*tty mission ,

and shivering islands was better than the actual game, bethesda knew that oblivion was an offense to the elder's scroll fans, so they had to do a better game with that expansion ...

symphony_of_the_night

@Ashurahori:

Good point. Oblivion was long and monstrous, but when Shivering Isles came out, people downloaded in droves and enjoyed it from what I've heard.

Here's the thing, folks: if GTA IV is truly as good as advertised, can you honestly say with a straight face that these new Episodes won't be something you really want to play?

I doubt it.

DARTH_TIGRIS

"enable hardware to be sold with software."

Well, when you do have hardware bundles with the games I suppose you'll sell the systems with the games.

@Netnavi: nice "Bet itll be 10 bucks and not even worth it" then go "oh well, It'll come out on psn anyway so i'll get it then".

Way to go. I got one for you. "I don't have a ps3. MGS4 will probably be like, $64.19 and won't be worth it. Oh well, I'll wait for the 360 version"

It'll be episodic content. Like mini expansions kinda like Knights of the nine was for oblivion.

ManjiKengo

Buying it on PS3. GTA series stays on Playstation for me.

DigitalHero

@floppylobster: So in other words, devs should work for hours to make extra content, put it up and charge nothing for it?

Just the opposite, DLC and episodic content is the best thing to happen to gaming in a while.

Would you rather an expansion that costs $30, or some DLC that most people could buy with the change in their pockets?

Musai

Well, I'm picking it up for PS3. Cool that the 360 owners are getting the DLC, but I don't usually download DLC anyway unless it's free. I hardly ever complete GTA games anyway, so PS3 is a better choice for me, plus I prefer the Sixaxis/Dualshock 3 layout.

Magic Emperor Anima

Heh. It's funny. Sony itself is listed as a company of assholes when one guy says that Sony has good games coming out.
When the 360 guy started talking open shit about the Ps3, people came out to apologize for that one guy's actions. Talk about your double standard.

And they've got a valid point. At $50,000,000 for the DLC rights, they have to sell 2,500,000 copies of the DLC at $20, assuming they're getting all the profit for them, which they're not.

Polywhirl

I don't understand how people can be so sure which system they're getting the game for, unless they only have one system. Me, I own both consoles and I'll be waiting for the reviews to see if there's a significant difference between versions before I make up my mind.
The DLC is not a big selling point, since I'll spend so long on the game itself.

Cruithne

@Noks415:

That's the argument some of us have been making for months now. Nobody I know has completed the storyline, not even me. I at least get to the last mission so I could beat it if I wanted to but fiund it more fun to jump on a crotch rocket or sanchez and just find places to jump around the city.

Sparx

LOL @ Marketing people.

Truly has no idea what's going on. Way to non sequiter by bringing up your exclusives. Oh, and I'm pretty sure that MS doesn't need Sony's advice on DLC.

Musai

um...is he new to the whole concept of people buying DLC? and especially DLC for GTA IV! support it or not ... people still do it, period.

oh, and GTA IV + MGS4 and GT5? what about GTA IV ( with exclusive DLC) + Too Human* and GoW 2?

PS3 has a stellar year lined up, but yet again, the 360 will trump them. its getting REALLY cut-throat, i cant wait to see what happens in 2009.




*Too Human: only mentioned that one cuz its the 1st that came to mind after seeing a new video today, but lets not 4get Fable 2, Huxley, and Halo Wars to name a few.

Lanhoj

So far for multi-platform games, none has been better on the PS3 where as a lot of games are better on 360.

Of the PS3 exclusives, i think only GT5 will move a significant amount of systems, since its a game that appeals to non-gamers.

MGS and FF obviously has a significant fanbase, but most of these people are probably sony diehards and have a ps3 already.

pb00

@Huckleberry: I think he means about series sells. Gran Turismo is in the top 5 of all time, but yeah i agree with you.

Does anybody even know if the content has to do with the story is it just add on content. Either way I can't wait for the game.

[KU]Shindokie: Hates The New Layout!

I predict the GTA DLC will sell 1 million units.

darthmole12

I have little to no interest in the added DLC. I plan on picking up the PS3 version over the 360 version... and IF the added 360 stuff is worth it, I'll wait until the 360 version of GTA4 to go greatest hits and then pick it up.

Rodent

Downloadable content, unless it's free, sucks hard. Worse development in gaming since the PlayStation made people pay for memory cards to save your game.

floppylobster

gta 4 special edition ps3, someday.

dexterr

"Not only do you get Grand Theft Auto, but you'll get [Metal Gear Solid 4], you'll get Gran Turismo and these are also brands that have moved hardware units."

Read:

"Halo3 sucks LOL RROD"

I've studied translating PR mumbo jumbo.

Candlejack

Looks like resorting to listing future exclusives is endemic to the entire PS3 community, not just the forum fanboys. I'm excited to see these games actually released, just to hear what Sony PR will say afterwards.

celery

@Ashurahori:

I think that's a great point. I put well over 100 hours into the game and when Shivering Isles came out, I was more than willing to pay the $30 for it.

TheLastGunslinger

I've never payed for DLC and i never intend to.

One Way Mule

@ShirtGuyDom: True. If they're worth it, I'm not above buying a used copy of the game come November to play on my roommate's 360.

InsidiousTuna

This guy is full of shit to think that MS won't make truck loads of cash. Sure it would be nice if developers didn't make us pay, but Sony sounds pissed they didn't think of it first. They also sound like a bitter ex-girlfriend

deferred

There are many ways to look at this. I know many GTA fans, but I know very few GTA fans that actually complete the storyline in GTA games. Most people I know just play a few missions and then just go off and randomly kill people until they get bored and then do it again the next day.

There is nothing wrong with playing in that fashion. I personally love the story, humor and characters in GTA. So I always play through the entire story. When the time comes, I am curious to see how many gamers will actually purchase the extra chapters. When the DLC is released will gamers that aren't even half way through the game actually actually drop cash for more missions? Its still a great piece of exclusive DLC to have for the 360.

Noks415

but we know about it because we read kotaku and are interested... there are millions of chumps out there who just buy the next game advertised - and that means they won't really know the difference between the 360 version and the ps3 version because they're very unlikely to deliberately down play the ps3 one in their ads!

i don't have a 360 so i've made up my mind.

comedy

lol...i cant wait till the DLC hits so i can see every persons face who downplays it...i kno something u dont kno.

musicgangATL

Well, I'm gonna be getting GTA4 on PS3. Mainly because I don't have a 360.

InsidiousTuna

The most important thing for me in deciding which console to buy GTA4 on, as I own both PS3 and 360 is which is going to look better on my HDTV. Seeing I don't have an elite, i'm gonna say PS3 will probably look better. When the episodic pack is released, i'll pick up a cheap second hand copy for 360 and get it, I guess.

Most of the people I know without a next-gen console are going to buy a PS3 just for GTA4 and the upcoming exclusive releases.

Crackman

@Ashurahori: Horse armor.

jynxycat

yeah, I don't give a shit about "episodic content". MS was probably desparate. I bought a PS2 just for Gran Turismo 3, MGS2, GTA3, FFX, Silent hill 2, and Resident Evil 4(hey, it happened) and ended up getting a shitload of games for PS2 with +250 in my library. and I bought a PS3 just for Gran Turismo 5, MGS4, GTA4, FFXIII, Silent Hill 5, and Resident Evil 5. these games aren't even out and I have 27 PS3 games. may I remind you that most of Sony's first-party games are always great.

Sweet Tooth

I'm preordering 360 GTA IV.

And those 500MSPoints are going towards some DLC.

Ryumeka

I only have a 360 for now, but I'm glad I'll be able to have access to the 'episodic content.' This is a definite purchase for me, and I'm usually vehement against giving Microsoft my money for their DRM-riddled content.

Even if I never '100%' the game, I'll always be up for more missions which, to me, have always been at least as fun as the sandbox crime-sprees for which the games are famous.

Arttemis

yes lets pay for more crap! Do we even know what the extra content will be? New missions then? Is that worth ten bucks? You know it'll be that much. Especially if it's a new area in the map.

I also think that the DLC will eventually come out on the PS3 soon enough.

For me, I'll wait for which ever version gets cheap before I buy it.

Netnavi

If I had the choice, I'd get the PS3 version simply on principle. MS need a humbling at this stage to level things out again.

ErskinPig

It seems that 2008 has become the year of the cross platform title, more so than 2007. Can either side really convince undecided gamers as this point? It basically comes down to which company's few remaining exclusives they prefer and no amount fanboy raving can change what games people like.

Darth Navster

More is always more.

Oblivion is FUCKING HUGE, and people still got the extra content.

Ashurahori

I think the DLC will hurt Sony, but I think people exaggerate to the degree, as far as known big titles that people are interested in this year, PS3 won't be in a bad position, no matter how hard you try to bend reality.

DarkCode

I would rather wait to see the content to dollar ratio on the additional packs. If we're talking $10 for a sizable amount of added content then sure. Once you start moving into $30+ like Shivering Isles it better damn well be a huge addition to the game.

Black-Dog-Howls

I have a 360 and PS3. I preordered it for PS3 because the 360 is the most unreliable system on the market, and I don't want to get home and go to play GTA and find that it is broken yet again. Why take the chance. Also, I've played GTA only on Sony systems as long as it's been a series, so why stop now? I'm used to the control setup on a Dualshock for GTA games, and enjoy it.

Downloadable content just isn't that important to me anyway. By the time it comes out, I don't care to use it (Case in point, the Halo maps just became free... yet I'll have to force myself to insert the game in the console again because I just don't care at this point). I'm sure there'll be plenty to do in the game that it won't even matter.

MCWHAMMER

In other words, if what they predict comes true, they are geniuses.

If what they say falls flat, no one cares. It's the nature of the beast.

jabedoben

I shrug off braggers all day. It's nuffin

ph15h

Eh, I don't think the second part of his argument are very convincing (after all, PS3 isn't getting Ninja Gaiden II or GOW 2), but the first part makes sense. GTA IV is going to be a massive game, and have 2 downloadable episodes doesn't seem as appealing when applied to the game they're for.

Of course, that all depends on how big the episodes are and what you'll get in them. I'm reserving judgment until we know.

ShirtGuyDom

He's wrong.

Maybe if they came out right aftr release, but we're talking about 6 months later, and during the crucial holiday period.

People will eat that stuff up.

DesmondHume

These guys really have no clue what is going to happen. They just spout out this crap in case what they say comes true.

jabedoben

"It's the elite of the elite products that actually enable hardware to be sold with software and we'll have three of them."

I'm not so sure that Microsoft is looking to take notes from Sony on selling software with hardware at this point in time.

Huckleberry

Microsoft could learn a thing or two from them. Although I'd like the extra content, MGS4 is more important.

Voteforme2020

He may have a point, but as a person who owns both consoles the option of exclusive content rather clinches which console I buy it for.

Islandkiwi

MS had made $250 million on DLC since the launch of the system. When you consider the small cost of each piece of content, that equals quite a bit of downloads.

The GTA episodes were the decided factor for me when choosing between the 360 and PS3 version.

TheLastGunslinger

Oh snap indeed.

Neocorey

he's got a point. it's not like the DLC is out day and date of the 360 version. it's still months and months off AND we still don't know about any PS3 DLC. i can see the PS3 getting some DLC at some point after the 360s is out.

it's still up in the air.

jfx316

@SigmaHyperion: final fantasy, ratchet, jak WWE games, madden.....kingdom hearts...

anything ringing a bell? MGS is not "For Sony, it's only beat in sales by Gran Turismo and GTA."

ManjiKengo

Fanboys are the new face of PR ...

deathless

@zanzibarlegend: You just proved my point.

Callidux

@ManjiKengo: well, I tend to import games alot. to me graphics don't matter(most of the time). that's why I play games like Disgaea...and I also played Final Fantasy VII last month.

Sweet Tooth

Microsoft and Rockstar haven't said a damn thing about what the DLC is, they haven't said when it's gonna be released, they haven't said what its gonna cost. They are just dangling it in front of gamers waiting for 'em to take the bait. It's probably gonna work but I am not a fan of it. It's bullshit.

chantastic

@garytek: Reisntance 2,LBP,Wipeout HD, please dont get me started...lol

zanzibarlegend

by the time the dlc drops, if it is indeed coming in the fall, it better be some real compelling shit. cuz it if it isn't it will get drowned in the aftermath of Gears2,Resistance2,LBP,etc. so what it is and when it is coming will determine its success. as for me im getting it ps3. i really don't give a shit right now. maybe laters..lol

but im gonna be busy buying a shitload of games this summer and fall for the PS3 so im losing aboslutely no sleep.

zanzibarlegend

@Sweet Tooth: You know what else grinds my gears? Everytime a Xbox360 vs. PS3 debate sparks, Sony camp ALWAYS lists their "must-have" exclusives, even when the topic being debated doesn't really relate to those said exclusives.

This PR guy did it too, even. I fail to see how GTA4 and MGS4 are related, besides ending in 4.

Callidux

@JorgieX:

"MGS4 is a great IP but not a huge fanbase I never liked the game and as many of my real life friends either. "

I don't like the MGS franchise either, but not having a huge fanbase? Please.

Metal Gear Solid is one of the best-selling franchises in the entire world. For Sony, it's only beat in sales by Gran Turismo and GTA.

Just because we don't like it doesn't mean a whole lot of other people don't. I don't know anyone who plays The Sims either (at least not outside of a passing glance when it first came out) but they've sold some QUARTER-BILLION copies of Sims 1 and 2 and their expansions.

SigmaHyperion

@ManjiKengo: Neither could I mate, the visuals would be an eyesore taken to the limit.

Of all the GTAs however, Vice City had the most appealing setting to me so far.

Candlejack

@Sweet Tooth: True, I meant because I'm a graphics whore now. I could still play stuff like chrono trigger but...super 3d games like that?

Well...iunno. I don't really have an excuse. I just haven't played vice city since I finished it a 2nd time...

ManjiKengo

@Sweet Tooth: not all of them are coming to america and won't be hitting 08

ManjiKengo

@ManjiKengo: I'd play Vice City anyday. Why? Because it's set in the 80s. no emo, no rap, all hair metal, pop, and new wave.

Sweet Tooth

@garytek: look at that long list of games in the comments.

Sweet Tooth

jeez, a couple of monthes on the job and he's already talking trash.

Its going to be interesting to see how the DLC stuff plays out, how it gets priced and what it actually is.
Will the DLC be a dealbreaker for MS or will Rockstar return the money and be nice to gamers of every console (daydreamin') And which console gets the most console sales push cuz of GTA4. Thats what i'm waiting for

meltyman

"not only do you get Grand Theft Auto, but you'll get [Metal Gear Solid 4], you'll get Gran Turismo and.....and......and..............................."

And what, b****??!!

garytek

@Candlejack: Dude, I couldn't play Vice City nowadays.

ManjiKengo

@Evil Tortie's Mom: Vice City YESTERDAY?

CHRIST! Somebody call the ambulance! This kid is stuck in the past! :D

Candlejack

@dsmx:

For one, more than 2 million copes of GTA4 are expected to sell. Total sales are expected in the range of 8-11 million, of which more than half will likely be on the 360 -- so that's more like 5 million copies to spread that $50M over.

But, in reality, MS isn't out to make profit on the deal directly. MS wouldn't care if it gave the DLC away for free (though I doubt it) the real reason it paid that kind of coin was to increase sales of the 360. So it doesn't need to make its money back solely on the sales of this one DLC pack, it will have many hundreds of thousands of additional 360s out there to make money on over the lifespan of that console (or several consoles as is the case with the 360).

SigmaHyperion

What did you expect them to say?

"We're extremely worried. In fact, we think tons of people are going to buy the 360 version. I know I would."

Yeah, that'd be PR brilliance.

Moonshadow101

@ManjiKengo: xDD amazing!

henri1kk

@Callidux: The controller excuse is the biggest crock of shit.
ME"Why don't you want a 360?"
Customer"Controller sucks and I'm more used to the ps2 controller"
Me" Well....you know the xbox 360 controller isn 't the same pile of shit the first xbox had...right?"
Customer"I dun care. The system is white."

ManjiKengo

GTA IV for the 360 will sell a lot.. i would estimate like 8 million games being sold on the 360 alone.. if 5 million of those gamers buy the DLC at 10 to 12 dollars (that's a reasonable price to pay for SUBSTANCIAL content), M$ will get their money back and even profit from that deal.. these figures are not that surreal.. this game WILL sell!

henri1kk

@SG79: Yes I realize that I actually said 4 words. not 1. No need to point that out. And I'm not disagreeing with you. I agree that it'd look fool hearty for the guy to break down crying "It was such a good idea. Can't believe we didn't think about it quick enough"

Sony pr has come out saying a bunch of stupid shit the past 2 years. What would hurt for them to say something else though?

@Polywhirl: Sony paid off Toshiba. They can afford to pay off Rockstar.

ManjiKengo

I don't understand why a lot of people in here are saying they are buying GTA4 for PS3 because they are so used to the Dualshock controls.

I was under the impression that the controls for this game are very different and more shooter based, please, correct me if I'm wrong.

Besides, consumers are not going to purchase GTA4 for one system if they know the other system has more content, EVEN if it is DLC.

If you had the choice between two HDTV's, exactly the same price and quality, except one had HDMI and one didn't, which would you purchase? I would purchase TV that allowed for HDMI, even if I didn't plan on buying a device that used it at the moment.

Callidux

I don't see why anyone thinks this is a surprise. Sony HAD to say something they got thoroughly boned on the biggest game in years.

They are high and dry. It makes sense that they would be shoveling out some "Don't Panic!" press releases as fast as they tactfully can. This is going to be a HUGE lesson for the industry and we're going to see a lot of money trading hands in the future to swing third parties into exclusive content. All in all that is a crappy way to treat your fan base Rockstar. Just plain crappy.

That said I'll be picking it up for my PS3 because I sold the 360 long ago.

BornToFlail

@henri1kk: Actually I think that's a perfectly good reason not to buy a GTA4 for the 360. Some people have had serious problems with 360 hardware as to permanently tarnish their view of MS, and they've stopped support of them.

But that's about the only advantage I'd see to buying it for PS3.

Callidux

@henri1kk:

could just turn to /v/ reasons why the ps3 sux.

Honestly though, the defective rate for the post august '07 systems should be around 5-10% the 16% defect rate that private company pulled out of their asses covers pre modifications(xclamp).

ManjiKengo

Owning both systems is great. I am not picking the 360 version because of the DLC. I am picking the 360 version because of Xbox Live. The online portion of the game is useless on PS network.

DLC is nice though. Plus anything that is released for the PS3 will also come to the 360 version. Unless the 360 version is an utter mess, no way I get the PS3 version.

I really don't know what the hell I am going to do this year. I may have to quit my job just to play the essential releases this year. FUCK then I won't have the thousand or so dollars needed to purchase all of the games I want. This sucks!

TheRealMaxPower

Having 100 hours+ of game time is nice, but it's really just downplaying the issue. Nothing more. If you get it on the Xbox, Xbox Live is much better for online multiplayer than PSN is(this is more my opinion, but I've generally found that even online-only games like Warhawk can be a pain sometimes) and if you have an Xbox and DLC is important enough to you, odds are you've already traded cold hard cash for some digital media purchasing points. So the question is, will this last ditch effort have any effect? Does PR still work effectively, now that it's commonplace?

Codexx

It feels like I'm awaiting for somebody to yell "PISTOLS AT DAWN!" followed by "I SAID GOOD DAY, SIR!"

Double J

I'm getting GTA 4 for my PS3. Hells, how can I get excited about something I have no idea what it is?
Besides, I've been playing the GTA series on the Playstation platform and that's not going to change. Not to mention...I'm pretty cheap when it comes to DLC! =]

Ghostm

@henri1kk: how about Ring of Fire (by Johnny CASH...CASH...CASH...CASH...$$$)?

Sweet Tooth

I think the "MS will never make their money back on the DLC" fanboys are missing the point.
MS didn't drop all that cash to make a profit on the DLC. They dropped all that cash to run TV ads that loudly proclaim that their version of GTA4 is bigger (and therefore presumably better) than the Sony verson. Ads to be seen by the millions of people who have not bought a 360 or PS3 yet (if you've bought one or the other, then your purchase decision is already decided -- dual next-gen households are a small group). For the people that will use GTA4 as a final motivator to get into the next-gen, those ads will make a powerful argument to go 360.
It really doesn't matter the quality of the DLC. Those ads (and the public dick-waggling they permit