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Take-Two Pondering BioShock MMO, Movie?
Posted by Luke Plunkett at 11:27 AM on March 27, 2008
Take-Two didn't just say "no, thanks" to EA this morning. They went out and put a little document together, aimed at showing their shareholders just why they should say no. Most of it's taken up with stuff like GTA sales, but one page is interesting. This one, above. Labelled "potential untapped opportunities", it shows that while 2K are currently under-represented in the MMO, mobile and media markets, they've got the franchises to change that. BioShock, for example, could be turned into an MMO. And a mobile game. And a movie. Civilization, well, it could (presumably) be made into some kind of global, online strategy title. Take-Two shareholders, while you may have cause to doubt Strauss Zelnick's motives during this whole mess, you can not doubt the company's intentions to milk their best franchises to within an inch of their lives.

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PurpleSfinx
Posted March 28, 2008 12:04 AM
I'm all for EA leaving their money grabbing paws off Take 2, but what's their point here? That they can milk every franchise to death WITHOUT EA's help? No offence to Take 2, I'm just not understanding this.
Blueheart
Posted 3:09 AM 28/3/08
The question is... would the Bioshock movie be a new story set in the Bioshock world, or simply a movie version of the game's story? Either way, I doubt they could pull it off in a way that would make me happy. I'd rather just have a quality sequel/prequel to the game.
Blueheart
gassorr
Posted 2:47 AM 28/3/08
A Bioshock movie would just be Extremely Awesome!
gassorr
Limafoxtrot
Posted 12:42 AM 28/3/08
@Eldragon: EQ never had the financial success or numbers WoW has - I think many games today probably get into the realm of EQ at its peak in terms of numbers. There are just far more consumers of this now than there were in EQ's prime
Limafoxtrot
Limafoxtrot
Posted 12:39 AM 28/3/08
Well heres hoping the T2 investors actually read that chart - there may be a 2.5 billion global market but I hope that notice that 1.1 Bn of that is tied up in one property - and that there are scores of others in the market that struggle to divide the scraps and are no where near as successful. Even the good games don't carve into WoW's numbers.
Limafoxtrot
Eldragon
Posted 12:29 AM 28/3/08
For a long time, people said the same thing about Everquest that they now say about WoW. Eventally there will be a WoW killer. And it won't take 1 billion dollars to develop, just a couple good ideas done well.
What I find puzzling, is they have Civ and Bioshock as possible MMO titles, but a MMO Grand Theft Auto is not listed, which would be a much better MMO.
Eldragon
Tuxy79
Posted 11:37 PM 27/3/08
If they allow Bioshock to become an MMO, I will personally soccer-kick the people responsible in the balls.
Tuxy79
tei
Posted 9:41 PM 27/3/08
This is shareholders PORN.
No waaaay other studios can repeat WoW. This game is not normal, but a "unique". Only one WoW can exist, for very precise and brutal reasons. Sould be punished by law to put WoW profits on the expectations of other people.
tei
CyberGlitch
Posted 8:20 PM 27/3/08
Using some of a ideas in Bioshock a "Utopia" MMO could be successfully pulled off. What if users together built up Rapture itself. What if people had to struggle to avoid others as splicers take over. The possibilities really are endless. They may not be easily marketable, but they are there.
CyberGlitch
Murrytmds
Posted 6:16 PM 27/3/08
You know... Bioshock would make an interesting MMO, just not one that could be contained by Rapture, which unfortunately is one of the main draws.
I mean sure you could do this many years later thing based off the bad ending, have this conflict going on yadda yadda. But a big portion of bioshock was atmosphere and the art, but even in it Rapture was not indicitive of the world in large. So your looking at game that 98% of the game world would be really.. boring looking and then you got the Splicer faction home base of Rapture thats actual interesting. Pass.
Murrytmds
ErskinPig
Posted 4:43 PM 27/3/08
I can't say I blame them for considering these options and making them public. With EA breathing down their necks, I guess they're getting desperate.
ErskinPig
Majpain007
Posted 3:46 PM 27/3/08
Talk about trying to milk a franchise.
Majpain007
man_in_gauze
Posted 2:38 PM 27/3/08
This is my new impression of Take-Two.
[www.penny-arcade.com]
Penny Arcade wins. As usual.
man_in_gauze
Bleentastic sees bandwagon and jumps
Posted 2:08 PM 27/3/08
i'd play a MMO of Civilization if it was like a massive game of Risk style of play.
Bleentastic sees bandwagon and jumps
Rebelphoenix83
Posted 1:55 PM 27/3/08
Boy they sure are humping Bioshock like there's no tomorrow.
Rebelphoenix83
goliathvv
Posted 1:49 PM 27/3/08
This is the reason rapture was built(actually, it wasn't... but you got it)... Now "the weak" will make a shitty thing with a great, innovative concept...
goliathvv
Sabre_Justice: Okay, no more long name.
Posted 1:19 PM 27/3/08
@Ghede: You weren't here for XP Smoothing were you? Levelling is seriously faster. I'll grant you the Task Force/Strike force difficulty, but that might just be bad luck. What server are/were you on?
Sabre_Justice: Okay, no more long name.
Sabre_Justice: Okay, no more long name.
Posted 1:16 PM 27/3/08
@Kaljin: Make it a Randian libertarian paradise. It'll end in the perfect manner to set up Bioshock.
Sabre_Justice: Okay, no more long name.
Xcite79
Posted 1:00 PM 27/3/08
Who is going to be foolish to be something else related to Carnival Games?
Xcite79
TrettOff
Posted 12:42 PM 27/3/08
Of course the officers don't want the shareholders to accept EA's offers! If the shareholders sell directly to EA, the officers miss out on the bonuses they gave themselves in the event of a sale to EA! There's no altruism going on here. The CEO, CFO, CTO, etc are just trying to get their "golden parachutes". This wouldn't be the first time Take 2's officers have done some "self-enrichment" at the expense of stockholders.
[www.gamespot.com]
[www.sec.gov]
TrettOff
underground_slacker
Posted 12:34 PM 27/3/08
im not fond of either but id take a bioshock mmo over another shitty game tie in movie any day.
underground_slacker
Ghede
Posted 12:30 PM 27/3/08
@Sabre_Justice: Okay, no more long name.: I'll grant you the storylines and customization, but the grindfest is still present. Add on the fact that it is damn hard to find a good party for the high difficulty/reward quests, and you are looking at several weeks worth of work just to earn an extra costume slot. They don't even have cool animations when you change costumes it's just... blorp, you've gained two new horns and hooves.
I'm waiting for champions online. Customizable powers too? Glee!
Ghede
Blah8
Posted 12:23 PM 27/3/08
I'm more scared of the Bioshock mobile game than the MMO... though I'd rather they didn't do either for their sake.
Blah8
vaga_koleso
Posted 12:07 PM 27/3/08
So gaming companies do Powerpoint too, eh? And there I thought it was limited to useless careers like mine. In any case, Bioshock would make a very poor choice for the mobile platform, it would never sell anything close to Tetris, whichm conversely, is a perfect mobile game. A movie is definitely a possibility and they could probably get away with an MMO, though I'd rather them not, as it will likely slaughter the great Bioshock universe with brainless PvP.
vaga_koleso
KreacherOfBloodandRank
Posted 12:06 PM 27/3/08
How are they gonna pull off a Bioshock MMO? Millions of NPCs running around in rapture?
"Kill ten objectivists and come back to get a rewarded."
And please do not make a movie.
KreacherOfBloodandRank
Sir_Crocidile
Posted 12:04 PM 27/3/08
You know, if any game would make for an interesting movie, I think it's bioshock. It had the right vibe for one anyway. MMO or mobile game. . .ehhhhh. . .no.
Sir_Crocidile
sgthalka
Posted 12:01 PM 27/3/08
As much as I hate the idea of financial people whoring out the Bioshock franchise at every possible opportunity ... the idea of exploring Rapture as part of a MMO is kinda, sorta interesting.
sgthalka
Oyn
Posted 11:59 AM 27/3/08
I'm still waiting for the games industry to wake and realize there's only room for one big MMO at a time and WoW is it at the moment. Oh sure other ones can survive, but hitting it big? No chance.
Oyn
Sap_My_Sentry
Posted 11:57 AM 27/3/08
If done right I could see a Civ MMO being very fun.
Sap_My_Sentry
Slatz_Grobnik
Posted 11:47 AM 27/3/08
Somewhere in the world, a man named Uwe's ears just perked up like nipples in the Arctic.
Slatz_Grobnik
Aethyr: Brawl. Add me.
Posted 11:46 AM 27/3/08
Hmm, this "Potential Take-Two Opportunities" column is looking a little bare. What will the shareholders think?
Hey, Bioshock was a pretty good game. Let's just slap it in there.
Sweet, problem solved!
Aethyr: Brawl. Add me.
Fyren
Posted 11:43 AM 27/3/08
@darthmole12: Heh. People shouldn't label TT as a money hungry overlords.
Considering that your investor can jump ship, I think such presentation is a minimal if not negligible impact on their overall image.
I mean, imagine the stress level of the TT honchos knowing the big man is coming to grab your babies. You would absolutely do everything you can to convince the shareholers of the even more brighter future starting Apr. 29th and "possible source of money".
Fyren
DigiMish
Posted 11:41 AM 27/3/08
a movie would be nice, or a book.
DigiMish
MXs219
Posted 11:41 AM 27/3/08
I couldn't see there being a Bioshock MMO but a Movie seems like a great idea.
MXs219
Wolfers
Posted 11:39 AM 27/3/08
Would anyone buy a bioshock MMO?
Wolfers
LordMagnusMastah
Posted 11:39 AM 27/3/08
@LordMagnusMastah: Hmm, hang on, I was letting my fanboy side show. These would probably be bad ideas. Unless they did them REALLY REALLY good. Then obviously... that would be a good idea.
LordMagnusMastah
LordMagnusMastah
Posted 11:38 AM 27/3/08
Bioshock MMO? Bioshock MOVIE? Can I get a freaking HELL YEAH!! Bring in Uwe Boll, git r done! (That last part was a joke.)
LordMagnusMastah
darthmole12
Posted 11:28 AM 27/3/08
Milk Bioshock for all it's worth...who's the money grubbing coroporation now?! :)
darthmole12
Stormrider
Posted 11:27 AM 27/3/08
I couldn't see a Bioshock MMO working very well. Civilization could have some potential, though.
Stormrider
Kaljin
Posted 11:25 AM 27/3/08
@Allfather Black: Because having a Bioshock (I SAID IT RIGHT THIS TIME!) MMO in where people go down to rebuild the city and do battle with splicers will give the feeling from the developers to "make it like WoW". Game will flop.
Kaljin
aka Bitter
Posted 11:24 AM 27/3/08
Conspicuous in it's absence: GTA MMO... Confirmed.
aka Bitter
ErskinPig
Posted 11:22 AM 27/3/08
Bioshock movie could be good. The quality of material is certainly there.
MMO though? No chance.
ErskinPig
Kaljin
Posted 11:22 AM 27/3/08
Shit, I meant Bioshock, I've been trying to finish my NWN2 campaign I never finished, and I'm going drunk on d20s.
Kaljin
Iz1ck
Posted 11:19 AM 27/3/08
Alright Bioshock MMO....maybe before Raptor's fall....maybe choose powers....hmmm interesting...
Iz1ck
tnx3
Posted 11:17 AM 27/3/08
@Kaljin: Bioware?
tnx3
ShaggE
Posted 11:16 AM 27/3/08
@ShaggE: I get it now. Nevermind.
ShaggE
excel_excel
Posted 11:16 AM 27/3/08
Jeez, I mean I can picture a gigantic rapture overworld.....but how the hell would it work?? I mean bioshock didn't even have a multiplayer...
A movie though...now where talking! Just don't get Uwe Boll for the love of Rapture
excel_excel
ShaggE
Posted 11:16 AM 27/3/08
@Kaljin: What does that have to do with BioShock?
ShaggE
Allfather Black
Posted 11:16 AM 27/3/08
@Kaljin: I need more information as to why it has to be a prequel. Not to be a dick; Im just curious.
Allfather Black
C22DBlueKnightOne
Posted 11:14 AM 27/3/08
I have not seen a mobile action game that works as well as a full console version would, so I would say no to a Bioshock mobile game. I could see a Bioshock MMO, but I don't think it would work very well. As far as a movie goes, I've seen independant films with more convoluted plots so that could probably work.
A Civ MMO piques my interest a little, but I'm not sure how it could be done that retains what makes Civ fun, namely building up your society and then taking over the world.
C22DBlueKnightOne
Kaljin
Posted 11:13 AM 27/3/08
The only GOOD way I see a Bioware MMO is if it was a prequel, make it similar to Second Life (without furries and flying penises) and have the players buy virtual land with virtual money, run businesses, and a whole bunch of other things (but the virtual money will have nothing to do with the real world, unlike SL).
Good or bad idea?
Kaljin
Sabre_Justice: Okay, no more long name.
Posted 11:13 AM 27/3/08
Not all MMOs are terrible grindfests. City of Heroes actually has storylines, customisation and is actually FUN. But it's an island paradise in a sea of liquid shit.
A Civilisation MMO... why not give it a try? Where players control entire nations rather than individuals...
Sabre_Justice: Okay, no more long name.
Piratedoom
Posted 11:11 AM 27/3/08
Wait... I think everyone is missing the most glaringly funny thing on there.
Carnival Games.
When Bioshock and Carnival games are mentioned side by side, it makes me realize why Executive-types should not run game companies.
Piratedoom
haldrogen_bomb
Posted 11:10 AM 27/3/08
I'm reversing course: EA should go ahead and buy these guys. If you're going to milk something til it's dry, at least do it with class.
haldrogen_bomb
Clarke
Posted 11:09 AM 27/3/08
So T2 is the one behind the posterboy of Wii Shovelware that is "Carnival Games".
Clarke
Strangelove
Posted 11:01 AM 27/3/08
I could see a Bioshock movie or mobile version, but I don't think it would work very well as an MMO.
Strangelove
The_Antihippy
Posted 11:01 AM 27/3/08
Bioshock, really?
If they want to milk the franchise, they reall should at least put some THOUGHT into it.
The_Antihippy
JustJake
Posted 10:56 AM 27/3/08
Can we have a GTA MMO seriously. That is pretty much all I do in that game anyway. Just walk around and kill people. I seriously don't believe that game has a story at all. Since I never have wanted to go through it.
JustJake
omses
Posted 10:56 AM 27/3/08
Doesn't this document just prove WHY the shareholders SHOULD accept the EA buyout? =P
Look! we can still completely destory everything we have without EA!
omses
TheDollHouse
Posted 10:56 AM 27/3/08
Some games would make good MMO's. Unfortunately, Bioshock isn't one of them. It just wouldn't make sense. Being by yourself against a bunch of crazy genetically modified people was essential to the fun of the game. If you add more people it would just...suck.
I'm not against MMO's. Still, I don't want to have grieffers ruining my experience when I'm harvesting Little Sisters.
TheDollHouse
Polywhirl
Posted 10:55 AM 27/3/08
I can guarantee if they make Bioshock an MMO, EA will be able to buy Take 2. $30 million down the drain, at bare minimum, will not be good for Take 2.
Polywhirl
Amazon_Chris
Posted 10:54 AM 27/3/08
Leave Bioshock to it's horrifyingly intense single player gameplay on either the 360, the PS3, the PC, or all of the above. (PC Preferred)
Amazon_Chris
goldwings
Posted 10:53 AM 27/3/08
@Acunia: Agreed. It's a monkey see monkey do.
-Look at what you've done Blizzard!!-
goldwings
Majorasblaze likes to dance dance dance yeah
Posted 10:53 AM 27/3/08
Oh god oh god oh god. A BioShock MMO must never be made, ever. It would soil everything good about the game.
Majorasblaze likes to dance dance dance yeah
Fyren
Posted 10:52 AM 27/3/08
I say +1 to Rapture in a full-blown theater glory.
I mean, the producer of Bioshock is a failed Screen-Writer in real life. I would love him to shake a box of Bioshock at some studios; I am sure they will throw some money to the adaptation.
Fyren
lasttimeyouaskedme
Posted 10:52 AM 27/3/08
I'm mystified that GTA isn't on all three...
lasttimeyouaskedme
Ghede
Posted 10:51 AM 27/3/08
They won't get made. However, the prospect is appealing to non-game-playing share-holders. "One of the best selling games of the year, turned into one of the latest game fads of the year? Brilliant! Take my money!"
Ghede
Amazon_Chris
Posted 10:50 AM 27/3/08
NO Bioshock MMO
NO Bioshock Mobile game. If those two get made, Take Two is as bad as EA.
Amazon_Chris
Teh Emo Penguin
Posted 10:47 AM 27/3/08
Oh, hell no.
A sequel/prequel was enough...
Teh Emo Penguin
tnx3
Posted 10:46 AM 27/3/08
@QualityJeverage: Agreed. For the love of the original, please no.
tnx3
Acunia
Posted 10:46 AM 27/3/08
Jesus christ! enough of MMO's already...
Acunia
notalkjustrock
Posted 10:46 AM 27/3/08
Big daddies need a nerf.
notalkjustrock
Kaljin
Posted 10:45 AM 27/3/08
I have to agree, and I don't think it's possible to make a Civ MMO.
Kaljin
QualityJeverage
Posted 10:45 AM 27/3/08
Please don't make a Bioshock MMO....PLEASE....
QualityJeverage
KingAwesome
Posted 1:20 PM 28/3/08
I say....hmmmm...nothing. Geez, I'm a troll....
KingAwesome
olinred
Posted 11:11 AM 27/3/08
I have mixed feelings about a Bioshock movie, I mean name one good video game adaptation... see there are none, and while I hope Bioshock could be the one to prove me wrong, being witness to one of my favorite games being butchered is just hell...not to be confused with Rapture.
olinred
j0hn
Posted 7:45 PM 27/3/08
At first I was glad that they turned EA down; at least they won't turn overnight into a half-hearted sequel factory most of whose games are misguidedly bought for the names and the music. But all they can come up with is Bioshock mobile games, MMORPGs and movies? Lookes like I was glad too soon.
j0hn
jesp3r
Posted 8:45 AM 30/3/08
Bioshock MMO... can't see how that would work out really. Just a mess of Big Daddys everywhere.
jesp3r