@dowingba: I still enjoy my CDs, on a CD player, even though they're over 12 years old. They are still in mint condition. I actually HATE the digital downloads, because I have no tangible product. I don't see what your argument is here, sorry. How is a music CD different from a video game CD? The only CD I've ever had trouble with was actually my Diablo 2 disk.

Saxboy

@dowingba:
I'm also going to blame the CD for most of the music industry's problems lately. It's easily the worst format ever devised to put music on.

Are you 18 or younger?
Audio tape has so much hiss and background noise in comparison. Many players you can even hear EM interference from the motor. Then if your walkman battery starts to die the music slows down. Some players have a temper and just like to eat tapes. Also, does this tape use Dolby noise reduction? Lemme check if it's on Chromium Dioxide media so I can adjust the player...

8-track is... 8 tracks. No rewind, but no easy queueing to a track either (though some players had a forward/back button.) Also good luck repacking one when they get eaten.

vinyl LP... god. Lose quality every time you play, hiss, pop, snap, crackle, skip, and track jump keep things interesting. Portability is... well, you can carry one by hand, or get a massive backpack sized record caddy.

CD is great in comparison. Just don't play frisbee with them and they last basically forever. (Commercial CD that is - CD-Rs last about 5-10 years...)

fuchikoma

@elementary: I highly disagree, and this is coming from someone who is in a band, has over 400 albums, and only maybe 25-35 games. Hell, I even have over 200 movies and I think games have more replay value than them too.

I_Hate_This_Place

@Yuki: "Reminds me of sci-fi games", rather.

Yuki

@ostartero: So very very true. I was recently visiting my dad and telling him about the iTunes music store. His response: "You buy music online? Can't you just download it for free?"

dowingba

I wish that, at the very least, CDs would take the cartridge approach like we saw with DVD-RAM.

[www.digital-photography.org]

At least then you can handle it a little more roughly without worries. Plus it reminds of my sci-fi games where the discs are always encased like that.

Yuki

Ooh, Deja Vu.

[kotaku.com]

MykalBloom

@Groodle: I'll give you quality: CDs certainly sounded better than cassette tapes. Especially when we're talking...used cassette tapes. But capacity... I remember seeing plenty of 90 minute tapes back in the day (although I can't vouch for whether or not music was ever actually released on them) and all I've ever seen are 80 minute CDs.

dowingba

@dowingba:

Very true, but at the time, I think capacity and quality was the huge benefit.

Groodle

@Mr.SithNinja: How in the hell did it revolutionize anything? Because you can select tracks on it like you could on 8-tracks? Seriously, what is good about CDs? They don't wear out from use? Trust me, they still wear out, just not from "use".

dowingba

Second repost of the day guys, although I am glad that Mark's had a bit more detail than Brian's earlier one.

KidU

@Groodle: Every disc-based video game and DVD movie I've ever owned is in mint condition. The nature of CDs is that you move them around alot (think, before iPods here, people). Whose brilliant idea was it to make a portable media that you can't ever touch lest it be ruined forever?

Also, note that iPods and other devices have made CDs irrelevant. The whole point of a CD now is to bring it home and copy it to your computer, and then lose and/or discard the actual CD.

dowingba

If cds were 5 bucks a pop, im sure CD sales would sky rocket. But your music better be sent from god himself if im going to pay (sometimes) 20 dollars for it (at FYE atleast)

ArmyofJuan

@Moonchilde: They already tried DVD-A.

It didn't work. Hence why you don't see portable dvd-a players, dvd-a indash players in your car, etc. Aparently, that 700 meg CD is quality enough for people.

mrantimatter

@dowingba: "It's easily the worst format ever devised to put music on"

That has to be the most uninformed statement I have read today. (And that is saying qutie a bit) The CD single handedly revolutionized the music industry. It may be outdated now, but to make a statement like that is nothing short of pure stupidity.

Mr.SithNinja

@Groodle:

Note: I agree with your logic, just trying to understand why CD's specifically led to this. They're much more reliable than anything that had come before.

Groodle

@dowingba:

Can you elaborate on why?

If you take care of your media, there's no reason you need to replace a disc 5 times in a decade, even if you listen to it 24 hours a day.

In my ever-so-humble opinion.

Groodle

You can't save an industry where even my dad knows how to pirate the product.

ostartero

I'm also going to blame the CD for most of the music industry's problems lately. It's easily the worst format ever devised to put music on. I feel absolutely ripped off by ever buying CDs and I have no qualms about "illegally" downloading all the music I used to own on CDs before they automatically get ruined. I've bought every pre-1998 Metallica album probably 5 times in my life. There's no way you can convince me it's immoral to pirate those albums now, Lars.

So yeah, long story short: people just don't want to buy CDs anymore. Fool me once, and all that. The iTunes music store is awesome, though. I make good use of that thing, let me tell you.

dowingba

@Fluffy22:
Music has more far replay value than video games. Hands down.

elementary

@Moonchilde: and when u buy a game, u could potentially get 90 years of entertainment! (if u really love the game, and live for ages)

Fluffy22

I blame the CD. People don't feel like they're getting their money's worth. Why buy a disc with 1 hour's worth of music, when you can buy a DVD with 2 hours worth of movie, music, and extras?

And that music will be 24bit at a higher khz than CD, too...

DVD for the successor to CD as the next music format!

Moonchilde

Oh and another way to keep the page views up...

UntouchableC

Didn't you have this story earlier today?

I do like the fact that you have the data now to back it up....but it kinda just turns your older post into a fat waste of time.

UntouchableC

deja vu

Mantra_

fitting post pic, lol

Sandbox_Emperor

Erm....

[kotaku.com]

SPni

yay?

YUYU

They took the credit for your second symphony.
Rewritten by machine and new technology,
and now I understand the problems you can see.

SigmundTheSeaMonster

2005, Sony, Rootkit

Collapse The Control

Pwned.

Old-school Sonic fanboy

Enough of this!

Rob

2006 sucked!

Fluffy22