This list fails for mentioning I love bees.com... I'm a hardcore sony fan, but I Love bees was my obsession for a good few months... I absolutely love it... I'm a huge fan of old style radio dramas. I even edited it together in logical order so my friends could have an easier time understanding it.

I love Bees was better than Halo.

bobtheduck

@I_Hate_This_Place:
While the % of FPS/TPS games is nowhere near as absurd as some people say, that "study" was very misleading. It was one guy who made all of the assessments, and a good portion of his action games were TPS games. Also, the numbers are skewed because of the high volume of sports games. Every year, with the new iterations of the sports games, the percentage of sports games increases.

That website is dead now, but it is funny because people started citing the "statistics" without ever looking at the actual data. The same "study" said that only 13% of the Wii games were party games, but when I actually looked at the lists, I came up with over 20%. WarioWare was classified as an Action/Adventure game rather than a Party game.

In the end, these perceptions come from what is advertised, what you see on shelves, and what sells. The sales records don't lie; 360 owners primarily purchase shooters. There is nothing wrong with it, but there is no reason to deny it either.

kingofallcosmos

@CyberG4: You can create your own backgrounds and you can make your own gamer pic with the vision cam.

Oh btw if you think the ps3 and xbox have the same library wtf are you on? And i would like to bring up the attach rate which is 7 on the xbox and 4 on the ps3

deathtastic

oh yeah, and I think a lot of people need to keep in mind that this video was completely tongue-in-cheek, and as Mr. Fahey has said, the PS3 and the Wii will be getting the same treatment too

kathartik

@Jamaces: you've obviously never worked for a cable company... there are millions of people that still own SD sets...

kathartik

@Jamaces: What?

neoraul20

@Ashurahori: It is a video about hatin' nitpicking is a must when hatin' on something.

ThatsMrOffDutyNinja

Well that was a waste of my time. I do not care if you are trying to bust the xboxes balls but at least do it right that sucked.

evan57

@fuchikoma: most of the games on those lists are "cancelled", "to be announced", or "quarter-whatever 2008-2009". Again, a study of the game on the 360 was done around 6 months ago, and if I remember correctly the total percentage of shooters was only in the 13-20% range.

I_Hate_This_Place

There was some good points, thats true. Seems like they tried to hard though. Stuff like microtransaction and pricing came up more than once, and some of them just seemed like dumb reasons to hate anything.

Muffin_Man

@Huxle: piss off fanboy, it's clear your a fanboy.

-Sigil-

This is fun, Personally the xbox is my console of choice simply because its lineup is so diverse. It has loads of great RPGs(Lost Odyssey, Blue Dragon, and Eternal Sonata are all great. Oblivion is alright as is Enchanted Arms)

Additionally, in general it has more titles of a higher quality in every genre over its competitors. Someone asked to name the PS3 rpgs, well, you have folklore which I dont even consider an rpg as its more action based than anything, not to mention extremely boring. Oblivion, which I already said was alright, not great though, and a horrible port of enchanted arms. Essentially, anyone who thinks the PS3 is stronger in rpgs than the 360 is delusional at best. That pretty much goes for every catagory aside from maybe platformer.(which the PS3 has the amazing and highly underrated ratchet and clank game)

Im not a fanboy of any console, own all 3, and enjoy all 3 in some way. However, a lot of the complaints I see in these posts are unfounded. Additionally, anyone who says BC is unimportant doesnt live in japan, where we dont have space to put multiple consoles. Even ones as small as the PS2. It was hugely important in my decision to buy a PS3, where as bluray was not important at all. The cost was irrelevant, I pick up consoles for even a single game I want.(as was the case back when the 3DO and neo geo game out in the early 90s)

Finally, for the record, Disgaea 3 is not all that great. It looks absolutely terrible(as were the first 3 Disgea games)and no doubt plays the same as all the others. I believe its out here, but not once have I even considered picking it up.(seriously looks like a PS1 game programmed by a bunch of college students.)

That being said, I do like seeing these videos. Thier fun to watch.

RuneX

i cant wait to see the one on the wii and ps3

patsfan07

Well the only thing I like to add to the console war, is how much I laugh every time some fanboy starts blabbering on about some game that supposedly was exclusive and then goes to PC, and by going to PC it's immediately something everyone can play. Because PC gaming is soooo cheap and a decent graphics card is totally not the same cost as a 360 Premium anyway. Hell, you probably couldn't even find a graphics card for the same cost as a PS3!

Anyhow, investing in a console is really not as expensive as people make it out to be. It's just stupid to invest in something that doesn't have anything worth buying yet.

zlimness

Wii is own everything!

But yeah, my sysopsis on the console wars:
360 -Shitty hardware-Awesome games library-Awesome online-

Ps3 -Awesome hardware-Shitty games library-Meh online-

Wii -Innovative hardware- Decent games library-meh online-

Although i'd have to say dont be a fanboy, just get the console that has the games you like on it. I've gotten a wii for SSBB (although it's still a 2 month wait down under T_T ) and i'm planning on getting a ps3 for mgs4 and FFXIII. If only all three companies produced a joint product that has the innovation, features and games library of all three systems.

Kenkaku

@battra92: same here. One of the reasons I got a PS3 was because I expected a gazillion JRPGs :). At least the games I have entertain me enough.
My hate-reasons for the PS3:
#1 Warhawk is too addictive. "Just one round", and I'm gone for a week
#2 Playstation-Store doesn't sell in my country. XBL doesn't, either. It's a freaking EU country, goddamnit, not some African village. Our credit/debit-cards are accepted worldwide absolutely everywhere... except in PSN and XBL.
#3 No JRPGs yet, I'd get Disgaea3 immediately in Japanese - but NIS-America's voice-acting is awesome, so I'll wait.
#4 Double-price for games (and hardware) here. (this also covers x360 games). $112 USD for one game o_O
#5 the reality of Final Fantasy's release date.
#6 not all games support Remote-Play.
#7 not powerful enough for 1080p everywhere (not that an x360 is, or the majority of highest-end PC rigs are).

somarix

Wow this is a terrible vid with half truths.
"product placement" LOL so all games should be 70$ with no online functionality, thats why devs put products in their games to make them cheaper and to buy servers.

deathtastic

@Candlejack: Well, Mass Effect is a tricky title to classify. If I had to lump it anywhere, I would call it a 3rd-party Xbox exclusive now that EA bought out Bioware. The only way this game would be still considered a 2nd-party title is if Microsoft bought exclusive long-term rights and EA has to honour this agreement. I really don't know what to think. If it truly is an exclusive title I'm sure we'll hear by E3 this year.

PaulHunter

@PaulHunter: Yup, MS certainly helped HD-DVD with the little that they did. And they remain(ed) stubborn as time went by.

What do you mean with Mass Effect not being 2nd party, is it rather 3rd party? I would agree with that since now BioWare is owned by EA, but it wasn't owned by MS before and the game just published by MS.

Anyway, I can only welcome ME going multi-platform. But till then I have it on the PC I assume :P

Candlejack

@Candlejack: Just a few comments to add to your comments:

4. Lack of success in Japan, subsequent lack of interest for many Japanese developers -> lack of Japanese quality games and franchises :)

[thanks for the correction, I should has said 'corresponding lack of interest'. Nintendo/Sony have way better Japanese franchises]

9. Microsoft Game Studio's in-house games line-up is easily the weakest of the three console makers. (Some good 2nd party exclusives, e.g. Mass Effect)

[I disagree that Mass Effect is a second-party game since EA owns Bioware. Also, Mass Effect is on the PC, and there are rumours of the series going multi-platform. I would consider the game a AAA exclusive vs. a second-party title]

10. Decision to go DVD format / lack of HD-DVD built-in standard. Doomed early HD-DVD adopters and screwed them over for next-gen movies because they will fragment their userbase even further, and drastically.

They didn't create the hi-def format war ;)

[True, there was a consortium backing HD-DVD but it can't be denied that Microsoft was a huge backer of HD-DVD.]

PaulHunter

@Jamaces: std def tv? you cannot be that retarded

ZWarren69

look I'm all for being critical of consoles, however half these reasons suck. I felt that it would have been 10 times better presentation if they sat down and gathered their thoughts instead of spitting out stupid fanboy ideas in strobe light form. Honestly I think this video sucks.

"reasons why we hate xbox, Japan hates xbox" That's not a reason, you are supposed to be statying WHY you hate it, unless you a retarded conformist noob. Or "No we're not hungry" Ok maybe this is slightly more valid, but you talk about hating the ads in several different forms including this one. As I said this video is ridiculous and I expect the others to be just as stupid and ridiculous if not even worse.

Covert_Knight

@ManjiKengo:
You're right Manji. I'm not a fanboy of any system, but saying the 360 has 1 good RPG is comepletely devoid of credibility.

Luv2Hate

Excellent!!

nodirt

@PaulHunter: Corrections:

4. Lack of success in Japan, subsequent lack of interest for many Japanese developers -> lack of Japanese quality games and franchises :)
9. Microsoft Game Studio's in-house games line-up is easily the weakest of the three console makers. (Some good 2nd party exclusives, e.g. Mass Effect)
10. Decision to go DVD format / lack of HD-DVD built-in standard. Doomed early HD-DVD adopters and screwed them over for next-gen movies because they will fragment their userbase even further, and drastically.

They didn't create the hi-def format war ;)

Candlejack

Interesting clip, though many of the reasons are dumb. If I had to list my top reasons to hate the Xbox 360 it would be:

1. Halo 3 is too over-hyped, 50%+ attach rate is outrageous.
2. RROD, especially bad if the leak that Microsoft knew of this problem prior to launch is true.
3. Too many goddamn space marines / FPSs. If you look at Metacritics top 10 best rated games, 7 of the games are space marine / FPSs.
4. Lack of success in Japan, subsequent lack of interest for many Japanese developers (e.g. Square)
5. Yearly Live subscription fees (and the nickel-and-diming on Live Marketplace)
6. No built-in wifi adapter ($99.00??).
7. Too many hardware SKUs, lack on HDD on arcade SKU was the reason Micrsoft capped downloadable game file size)
8. Purchase of Rare, and subsequent decline in quality games.
9. Microsoft first-party line-up is easily the weakest of the three console makers.
10. Decision to go DVD format / lack of HD-DVD built-in standard. Created the unnecessary hi-def format war just to piss people off and drive them to DLC.

I can't wait for the Sony and Nintendo bashing to come, this is fun. :)

PaulHunter

i thught this was the stupidest list on why to hate MS/360. most have nothing to do with the system. halo soda and fries. shouldn't you hate burger king and other for jumping on the halo banwagon. should i hate sony for the endless FF games,or maybe sony music studios for putting rootkits on PC,maybe i should hate sony for the laptop batteries exploding. i could go on but i proved my point.

vega75

Yeah, so opening this particular can of worms was always going to be fun :)

I'm happy with my 360. They don't die as much as previously, the media sharing stuff is tops now they've got Xvid support and it's got a good majority of the games I want coming to it.

To be fair though, I'm probably spending more time on my PC and DS than on the white monolith at the moment.

splines

@Ashurahori: ur joking right now there are two good RPG's? OMG!!! you know not even 3 would matter.

Kuroh

@otimus: That's not even remotely funny or interesting, neither is your drawing. Stop trying before it gets sad. Also, what format are those timestamps in your IRC client? HH:MM:SS:MS?

@kingmanic: I haven't worked on PS2 emulation, no, but from what I could gather a 7800GTX paired with a 7SPE CPU clocked at 3.2GHZ (exceeding today's top end quad-cores) must suffice when done correctly.

Besides, Sony has always had the devkits and a working emulator to run on the more powerful hardware of a PC. The problems that public emulators have is simply that they're not getting the information they would need to potentially increase compatibility and performance, which only Sony possesses.

Oh, and N64/PS1 not bug-free? Haha. Good one. I've been playing those games emulated on a PC 2-3 years ago without the slightest issues. Dreamcast is a whole other thing.

Candlejack

@TheEngineer: Rocking the Goggles: So those weren't guns I was shooting in Mass Effect? Maybe you meant first person shooter, but Mass Effect is just shooter based RPG. And only one good RPG should have been replaced by Mass Effect (for the time being), since Oblivion sucks ass on the consoles compared to the PC. :ugh: @ getting console versions of games over PC ones when they are both available at the same time.

Toprem

@I_Hate_This_Place:
If you look at Wikipedia, I came up with these numbers:
6/17 million sellers for XBox were shooters, although you can add 2 more if you think that GTA is a shooter
16/26 million seller 360 games are shooters
5/21 million seller Wii games are shooters, 1 more if you consider Rayman Raving Rabbids

I mostly play DS and PSP and the only current gen system I own is the Wii, but my next system will probably be a PS3 because of reliability (I also choose cars that way), price (Wifi built in and free online, which is good for someone who games in spurts), and game selection, but that is to a lesser degree right now. The only reason I would consider a 360 is because I am American, so most gamers have 360s, including my gaming buddies.

As a Wii owner since launch, I am definitely interested in seeing that video. Definitely the system of broken promises. I really want to see people rake Reggie over the coals at E3, but I think that people will continue fawning and making excuses for the crap that Nintendo pulls on us, the customers.

kingofallcosmos

@I_Hate_This_Place:

I'll bite.
[games.teamxbox.com]
[games.teamxbox.com]
[games.teamxbox.com]

Add those three, then compare them to another common genre, such as puzzle, fighting, or RPG.

I'm not making a comparison to the original XBox though. I'd guess it definitely has more SUCCESSFUL shooters than the first.

fuchikoma

Most reasons were right... but to me, several of the reasons were the same, and a few made no sense (hex? is an issue?)

Things like "Too many testosterone-driven games" "Tough guy" "Generic hero(ines)" "Space Marines" etc... all seem to fall in the same heap even if they are splitting hairs.

Kinda amusing, but I think if they have to repeat that many to get 100 for the 360, the other two will have to get REALLY creative or repetetive. So they nail the 360 remote for using lots of batteries, will they nail Sixaxis for not letting you change batteries, then the Wiimote for needing to buy your own batts? Seems like a blatant attention getter to get more web traffic and forum activity. That said, I fell for it at least on Kotaku!

fuchikoma

@smitty1123: I don't know about that, I don't really have any hatred for MS's OS for PC, but I'm pretty against owning an Xbox. Call me an anomaly.

DarkCode

I honestly can't find any fault with the majority of those reasons. I'm interested to see if Games Radar will release a PS3 version of this video.

Redriadrum

@labrats5: Want to back that up with some information, or are you just having fun reaching into your ass to pull more shit out?

I_Hate_This_Place

@TheEngineer: Rocking the Goggles:

the 360 is even more of a shooter console than the original xbox.

labrats5

@otimus:

Well I happen to feel the exact opposite. I think this gen has produced some truly amazing games and experiences. I don't know what kind of games you're looking for, but I have been more than happy with what I've been playing so far this gen and I've been gaming pretty much everyday since I first got an NES back in 1988.

Gray665

@kingmanic: ROFL! That was a joke right?
If you had even looked at your own Wal-Mart link, ([www.walmart.com]) you'd have seen the words "Not Sold Online", and directly below, "Not Sold in Stores".....

The 80GB model has been fazed out - but that's not even the main point I was trying to make.

There's still absolutely no reason for there not to be the original PS2 hardware built-into PS3s. It wasn't stripped because of cost, and people are willing to pay top-dollar (I'm still debating it) for that hardware.

Arttemis

@otimus: Wow.. I don't even know what to say to that.

DaPress

Something I was just discussin' with a friend related to this article and my previous comments:
(16:02:39:339) * Otis is depressed that the 360 is the best of the current systems.
(16:03:01:31) (Otis) That's like being told the best student in a class of nuclear physics is a guy with downs.
(16:03:25:325) (Chris-Work) :(
(16:04:10:310) (Otis) 360 = Guy with downs who likes to shout obscenities. PS3 = Smart guy no one likes or talks to. Wii = Rich wimpy guy with an ugly face and no actual skills at anything.
(16:04:33:333) (Otis) PS2 = a Ninja. XBOX = A fat party animal with a limited vocabulary. GCN = A nerd with some neat ideas
(16:04:55:355) (Chris-Work) PS3 = SMUG smart guy that no one talks to because he is so smug and annoying
(16:05:19:319) (Chris-Work) PS2 = a clown's toilet
(16:05:53:353) (Otis) PS1 = Father of a Ninja (Also a Ninja), Saturn = Segata Sanshiro!, N64 = A guy who's had bad luck, but won ten million dollars lots of times.. but kept losing it
(16:06:24:324) (Otis) Dreamcast = A dragon
(16:06:38:338) (Otis) It's not even a man! It's a beast! but it was quickly killed, but powerful!
(16:07:01:31) (Otis) SNES = A Ninja who taught the PS1!, Genesis: Rival Ninja

otimus

oh geeez....the outrage over the 360 slamming. oh, how will you all continue?

can't wait to see the thread when the PS3 version shows up. boy, that's going to be positive.......

jfx316

Can someone tell me why we needed to verify age? there wasn't anything bad about that video.

Teh1337Pirate

@Jamaces: That is so ignorant, alot of people still own nomral TVs, heck i know more people who own normal TVS than HD, and why is HD programming on TV a SPECIAL PRICE / OPTION if everyone owned normal TVs, wake up.

Desertwolf

Why do you guys even have comments open for these kind of posts?

Dauragon C. Mikado

I doodled up my opinions of the three next gen consoles.. and a slight opinion on their fans:
[i32.tinypic.com]

Forgot to add PC, but that'd just be some sort of insult about no one being able to run anything new, 'cept indie and niche games.

otimus

A lot of their reasons were dumb.

Chatpad? Ugly Halo 3 edition? More GTA content?

:\

WEGGLES90

@RemyDuvalle: Well, not that I found your point invalid, but it wouldn't be wrong of someone else to find it invalid as you stated something that was factually wrong when there are plenty of venues with information on the subject. So all it looks like is that you don't know what you're talking about if you could state something so obviously wrong(it has been covered on here and other sites numerous times). Jus sayin', is all.

I_Hate_This_Place

@mikeluisortega: fanboy

clintonskneecap

Reason I don't like the 360:
Crappy selection full of violent blatantly western games. There just isn't any variety. Shut up. Dont' respond listing or two games "BUT TEH LOST ODDYSEY AND THIS OR THAT LOOK! VARIETY TWO GAMES VARIETY!!!!!!11"

But that's a reason I hate ALL of the next gen systems. No god damned variety. The 360 is the least worst of them all.. but this gen is terrible, terrible terrible.

This gen.. unless you have some extreme invested interest in HD visuals, and multiplayer, lots of multiplayer, and not much else but multiplayer, this gen is an absolute failure. With so little to offer, and it's already past two years old. It's the worst generation since the Atari, IMO, and while there are still gems, and there certainly are still gems, it's still a failure. Last gen, we had a massive amount of variety simply on the PS2 alone, let alone the other systems, at this point.
How anyone can openly promote any of these systems so violently is beyond me. I mean, do you guys only play multiplayer, and only want 5-6 hour games to tide you over until you can get back to your multiplayer, or something?

otimus

Huh, for some reason I was thinking Mass Effect was also on PS3. My bad.

Though, with y'all's brilliant logic, I guess if one point is found untrue, the argument is no longer valid at all.

Brilliant.

RemyDuvalle

I really hate videos where you have to pause every 0.7 seconds in order to see anything.

coladict

I only found 20 at most that were good reason, the rest was like WTF BABY JESUS!

Sailorcancer

@kingmanic: Unless you live in Europe, where there is no versions with BC sold anywhere but ebay and the likes...

The Whaleman

@Legendary GIR: I really think they are pointing out stereotypical reasons cause really all 360's have HDMI now unless you have an old one and someone is making a 3rd party adaptor so this videos HDMI only statement is no longer true and I suspect that the people that made the video knew this.

Konchu

lol if the 360 gets HATE for too many accessories what the hell is going to happen to the wii? that thing comes with less options than a Hyundai and mor junk to buy as an add on than a swiss army knife.

fresh1

Couldn't have said it better myself, although multiple reasons are listed more than once.

One thing I actually think is a good idea, though, is the chatpad or whatever it was called.

Figroti

That's one of the gayest sony fanboy vids I've seen in a long time.

SkyChicken

Oh - and one more thing about Xbox Live. While I would absolutely love for it to be free, it currently costs $60 a year.

That's a whopping $5 a month.

That's 16.7 cents a day.

If you think that's ridiculous, you should dust off the box your PS3 came in and take a look at the price tag. Gotta love those Blu-Ray movies, right?

DaPress

Yawn. Why bother fanning the already-eternal flames of fanboy rage with a video like this one? And isn't it essentially the same complaint, over and over and over again?

How about Gamesradar takes on EA for their microtransaction transgressions in Bad Company or their sequel pumpage? Now that would be useful public-service "journalism."

Disclaimer: I own the 360 and have had it RROD on me once, which pissed me off at the time but barely lingers in my mind as a faint memory today.

DaPress

@Candlejack:

You can use your ps3 components with the ps2....and get 480P. God of War 2 and ff12 look like shit in 480p, tales of the abyss looks good though.

ManjiKengo

@Candlejack: "Which is easily achievable with the Cell. PS2 emulation is generally heavily CPU dependent, not GPU (while the GPU is powerful enough anyway)."

Your not a programmer are you? Soft emulation is hard when you have tricky instruction sets like "anything after the Super Nintendo". Software emu of n64/dreamcast/ps1 games still have plenty of bugs. Having the full hardware API and it's behavior helps plenty but the 360 only has~50% of the xbox library emulated despite having access to the full hardware API. The cell can mostly emulate the emotion engine but the graphics chip is distinct enough that it would pose the same problem that MS had with the GPU manufacturer switch.

kingmanic

Why I hate 360:

RROD. Lost my box for a month, an inconvenience that shouldn't exist.

"Hard to read text on standard def" YES. I hate that you're expected to have a high def tv to play some games. You can't see things that you need to see which affects the gameplay. That's incredibly stupid design.

Scratched discs. Madden twice, now Halo 3. Friend of mine's MLB 2K8 randomly froze and became unreadable during an online game in the bottom of the 9th, I was up one run. Pisses me off.

Why I love 360:

Online. WELL worth the 60 bucks, especially when you compare it to the friend code system, *shudder*.

Games. Halo 3 is an above average multiplayer shooter. The trend these days is to dismiss it as "average" (mainly because yahtzee croshaw did it), but I have to strongly disagree when you look a t the online play. Throw in Oblivion, Mass Effect, Lost Odyssey, Crackdown and Gears of War, and I can have a lot of fun with my 360.

MiyamotosChin

#23 - HDMI Elite Only.

Get over it you fucking pussies, are the HD cables that come with the Xbox 360 not good enough for you?

Legendary GIR

@Luv2Hate: or lost odyssey, or eternal sonata, blue dragon is mediocre, mass effect is fucking good. Soon tales of vesperia will come, and star ocean 4 or 5 whcihever number that series is on.

ManjiKengo

@TheEngineer: Rocking the Goggles: As of this coming May 21st, you can play ALL those titles on a PC. So why even bother with a 360 if the good titles are released for PC Gaming for Windows? Wasn't this the point of the console; to move away from gaming on a PC???

Add my three reasons: Three Red Rings of Death.

SigmundTheSeaMonster

@Arttemis:
"The 80GB model was outselling the cheaper model, yet it was canceled, and people are still willing to pay more to get a PS3 with hardware-BC"
People complained about the price. This is a fact. Despite the 40 GB version not moving people still listed price as a reason they hadn't bought one. So Sony took steps to reduce price. The 80 Gb version is still available in all major retail outlets: [www.walmart.com]
It will be replaced with the MGS4 80 Gb version. The fact it disappeared off of the Sony website doesn't say it will no longer be produced or that BC is no longer available.
BC still there:
[www.joystiq.com]

kingmanic

There are some valid, if overdone points there. But Oblivion being the 1 good RPG on the system? Have they played Mass Effect?

And also on the same point, PS3 and Wii are both completely devoid of mentionable RPG's aside from... you guessed it, Oblivion. Massive fail, but mildly amusing.

Luv2Hate

Seriously!? I saw only 7 things that even have the slightest effect of a decision of buying the system or judging the system. And the guy (or girl) really hates Halo.

Jaid

The flashing subliminal messages worked.

I was just going to turn on the ol 360, until that video.......now I'm staring it down, with hate in my eyes ;O

Acute Gamer

You know this is supposed to be a view from a fanboy so I'm interested to see what they do for Sony and Nintendo. A lot of the reason for the hate are legit some are not(or at least not strong reasons things like Bill Gates is a bigger Demon than the other companies CEO's they are all in it for the money). I don't think the video is ment to be a work of abosolute truth but a overall look at fanboy opinion(The talks of FPS being the only good games on the 360 are blinded fanboyism talk at its best). Really they may be going to show people the error of there fandom be that blindness to issues with their own platform or the legit things people have an issue with.

Konchu

Wow, anyone who was angered or upset by this needs to chill out. Maybe they should have released all the videos on the same day so 360 fans wouldn't feel picked on so much (ah you have the best games out there anyway so stop complaining... I am just waiting until xmas to buy one because I want to get one with the new core size and everything... also because I just bought a 52" Samsung TV and am broke).

DeeBG

"iraq am just like haloez" hahahahah my favorite

GOOR

Lol. Awesome. I understood some of them. A lot are.. ridiculous things to bitch about.

I laughed a lot for Hex168. Specifically because it won me a free xbox and a three day trip to the 360 launch. 'Hex and it's effect on serotonin', bitches.

serotoninzero

@The Amazing Exploding-Man: "Though I think its funny that they call all of the haters fanboys. Hating a console for perfectly good reasons (as demonstrated by the film) does not make you a fanboy."

Hating a console for perfectly good reasons is valid. But, hating a consoles for 95% of that video's complaints is what makes you a fanboy. Hating Xbox because it isnt well received in Japan? Who the fuck cares? It is Japan. It really only matters how well it does in America. But then there is the $200 controller they post. How is that a complaint? Have they even played the game? That $200 controller is essential! No way would that game have worked with a controller with the limited buttons. And not only that, Microsoft allowed that, but it wasnt their idea. It was Capcom who not only decided to make the game requiring a $200 controller, but also limiting the total number of controllers ever made. So, blaming Xbox for that makes you a fanboy.

The only legitimate reason to hate Xbox at this time is the RROD, their customer service, or if for some reason you dont find a game you like that they have. Which if that is the case, GL on any other console.

Justcrim

@blackadvent: It was canceled by Microsoft and later picked up by Majesco for release. That is what they meant.

AkumaX

@Arttemis: Not to mention that the 40GB doesn't have any PS2 BC at all. Those of us (including me) that have one are still waiting for full software emulation. Which is easily achievable with the Cell. PS2 emulation is generally heavily CPU dependent, not GPU (while the GPU is powerful enough anyway).

So bring it on Sony...you killed off the other SKUs for a reason, now make it count.

Then again, I could dig up my PS2, but it's like "meh, SDTV? No thanks". Therefore I wonder if I'd actually play any PS2 games on the PS3.

Candlejack

Can you say reaching. The only ones clamoring for this type of thing is the Sony-only with their constant attachment to anything anti-MS even if they never even owned the their console. Their true gripe is that they're not use to thier Sony conosoles not being in 1st and reigning supreme anymore. Deal.

MS will continue to take the licks because they always do. They get crapped on and are handicapped by the little support of eastern developers that comes so easily to the Japanese console makers and yet they're still here. They've played the underdog last gen and they'll have no problem playing it this gen if it comes to that as long as strides are made (and yes, they have been made).

It's the Sony-only that can't accept it...

jynxce

@excel_excel:
I'll continue playing oblivion the way it was meant to be played no matter how "well" it runs on consoles.

ManjiKengo

wow, even more reasons why mine went on ebay yesterday.

gique

Some of those criticisms are entirely trivial, and a lot of them apply to other systems as well. Plus, the RRoD only has three lights, the four light issue they show is when the video cables aren't properly plugged in.

But comical nonetheless.

ShirtGuyDom

@kingmanic: "The original 40 GB and 60 GB has 95%+ BC. All the 80 Gb version, the EU versions and any version that isn't the 40 GB version has 80%+ BC. The 360 has 50% BC 2 years after launch. They still support it but so many people bitched about the price, cuts had to come from somewhere. 80% isn't bad."

Except that's completely false.
The 80GB model was outselling the cheaper model, yet it was canceled, and people are still willing to pay more to get a PS3 with hardware-BC. This, to me, screams that Sony needs to still be selling this model as there's obviously demand for it; I'd buy it in a heartbeat.
And as far as "cutting costs" are concerned, Sony removed the nearly-perfectly working BC not because of the price of PS2 chips (seriously, PS2 hardware expensive? c'mon.), but because they wanted people to buy more PS3 games!!!
This is a ridiculous problem that will most likely prevent Sony from getting my money. I too will be giving it to someone on ebay instead.

360 backwards compatibility, on the other hand, has steadily grown - not replaced with a less efficient substitute then stripped away completely!

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Now, don't take this as defending M$'s console in any way. Their business model (see micro-transactions, ad-riddled and not-personally-customizable dashboard, and seemingly incompetent hardware decisions) is horribly flawed. I only took issue with your defense of Sony's BC policy (which is by far my biggest issue I have with them) and stance on BC in general.
For the most part, I praise Sony's policies (having the ability to install Linux, upgrade one's HDD, free online service, UI-customization, etc.)

Arttemis

@Huxle: Goddamn. Nothing against you, but did we need this "guide" here?

Also, I'm a PS3 enthusiast myself, but some of your statements are extremely subjective. And Vegas2 or DMC4 actually look identical on both systems on most accounts. Especially Vegas2 is said to have zero difference.

If anything, multi-platform games perform better on the 360. In rare, very rare cases, they look better on the PS3. Vegas1 by the way was way inferior on the PS3 to the 360 version, in almost every which way.

Candlejack

How to use three grievances and turn them into a list of 100. Once they finish the PS3 and Nintendo versions, I'll have a hundred things to hate about GamesRadar.

PositivelyGreg

wow...i thought it would be a voiced bull**** fest...but it was pretty good...well nicely put together...can't wait for the other videos!

NocturnOwl357

@Onizuka-GTO: ZETSUBOUSHITA!

Haha, winnar.

evslin

@ManjiKengo: I've spent ample time with both the 360 and PS3 versions of Oblivion and the differences are completely negligible to anyone but those who bleach their door knobs and comb their carpets with a toothbrush.

futurebiblehero

@CHU BOI: ahhhaa omfg that was so awesome :)

lasttimeyouaskedme

Yeah, I couldn't agree more with a lot of you guys. I could find a lot more reasons to hate the 360, but I had some fun with it while it was in its prime... and it didn't have the RROD. I'm surprised how many people took the same route as I did by playing their 360 less often in favor of the PS3. I've been playing my Playstation 3 so often recently that I don't know what I'm going to do once my RROD'd 360 gets shipped back.

Like some people have said, the 360 had reached and now is past its prime. It was released a year earlier, so it makes sense, but it seems like the PS3 is the console to own now.

As for GTAIV, I pre-ordered the special edition for my PS3 a while ago. The GTA series was made for and it became known for what it is on the Playstation consoles, and playing a Grand Theft Auto game on my Dual Shock controller feels more natural. I'm not even sure if my 360 will be shipped back before the launch of GTAIV any way...

To undecided individuals:

If you prefer graphics, the Playstation 3 excels in a lot of multi-platform games, and the 360 excels in some, too. Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Devil May Cry 4, Burnout Paradise, and many other games have slightly to much better graphics on the PS3, and games like Assassin's Creed are better on the 360.

When it comes to controls, opinions are also split. The 360 controller is nice, and the triggers are well placed, but most of the other buttons are. The PS3 black Sixaxis controller is decent, but out of the three controllers I am about to finsih mentioning, the DualShock 3 controller blows them all away. The weight is perfect, you can get them in black or white, the controls are by far the tightest and most responsive I have ever seen on any video game console, and the rumble is amazing. Try buying some DualShock 3 controllers for your PS3, they're the best controllers you could find for a game console that actually counts (which excludes the Wii).

Then it comes down to some smaller things:

The 360 has a very loud, obnoxious fan, while the PS3's is much more quiet

The PS3 is heavier than the 360

The 360 supports up to 4 controllers, the PS3 supports up to 7

The PS3 has built in wireless, a memory card and SD card reader, 4 USB ports, HDMI, and an upgradable hard drive. You could stick with the 80, 60, or 40 Gigs, but I upgraded to 200, which is very easy if you can find any hard drive.

The 360 has XBL, which is very good, but actually costs money, which varies on the type of membership you have. The Playstation Network is alright, with most of the bare necessities, but it's absolutely free.

The Playstation 3 can play PS1 and PS2 games, as well as connect to the PSP in many ways. The 360, since it is made by Microsoft, can connect to a PC in various ways, too.

Most importantly, in my opinion, it comes down to exclusives. As an owner of a 360, PS3, Gamecube, PSP, and some older video game crap, I was disappointed by some games, but especially by the 360's. Out of the grossly hyped 360 games over the past years, the only ones I actually liked were Gears, and I somewhat liked Halo 3. Bioshock wasn't very good despite the reviews, imo, Halo 3... oh, Halo 3. For the most hyped, most highly overrated game in gaming history, Halo 3 sucked. It was an average game at best, and it did not deserve all the attention at all. Based on the hype, I was expecting a game from the heavens, and this one was a decent FPS.

I liked Dead Rising, although it was short, Mass Effect sucked horribly, and Lost Odyssey was kind of weird because I'm not much into japanese RPGs.

Then comes the Playstation 3 exclusives, which I believe are some of the greatest and most fun to play games based on my experience with the various consoles. Resistance was awesome, it was my first PS3 game, and the online community was amazing. I regret playing different games these days, but the 6 entire months I spent becoming a near expert and world-ranked Resistance player was the greatest gaming experience I have ever had.
Then came Motorstorm, a great game for racing fans, Heavenly Sword, Warhawk, an amazing online game, Ratchet and Clank, Uncharted, Flow, Everyday Shooter, Pixeljunk Monsters, Folklore, Eye of Judgment, Time Crisis 4, and Unreal Tournament III. All of these games are amazing, and if you don't have them yet, I recommend checking out at least a few.

The next part is probably the most important. If you don't like the PS3, you don't have to, but pretty soon you're going to regret not getting one if you don't have one already. The PS3 is getting Haze, Metal Gear Solid 4, LittleBigplanet, Final Fantasy, Metal Gear Online, Gran Turismo 5, God of War III, Killzone 2, Resistance 2, Jak and Daxter, Timesplitters, Socom, Afrika, Kingdom Hearts, Loco Roco, and Tekken 6. If this list doesn't make you want to get a PS3 and join the community, then you must already have a PS3 xD

Personally, I'd have to say I enjoy my PS3 more than my 360. In the long run its cheaper... and... very unfortunately, I can't enjoy my 360 right now because I'm wating for it to be shipped back. This has been my 4th RROD, and I'm really pissed at this point. With the PS3's .01% failure rate, and the 360's 15% (which dropped from about 30%) is still horrible. I played Gears for an entire month hoping my 360 wouldn't crap out, and it ruined the experience. Why does my 360 break, while my PS3, laptop, iPod, and TV run perfectly?

Huxle

@ManjiKengo: Oblivion on 360 isn't much different to the PS3 version at all, its near the same I believe

excel_excel

god how lame are these. Although I am a 360 fan I thnik they should drop this retarded thread and not post either the PS3 or the Nintendo ones. It only causes lame arguments with no merit. Each system has its pros and cons dwelling on the cons is a bit old, is it not?

TheTog

@lordargent:
I'm sure he meant FPS games.

It's funny though, that the ps3 has just as many "shootans" as the 360.

The 360 also has more rpgs than the ps3.

@Green Armadillo: ps3 has them=\
@RemyDuvalle: that the guy that listed masseffect? I'm pretty god damned sure mass effect isn't on the ps3 and oblivion and orange box suck on it.

ManjiKengo

Microsoft are the new Sony. And just like Sony before them, they need to be humbled.

ErskinPig

@CyberG4:

They did , they just don't know wtf the rrod looks like.

They kept using the AV CABLE unplugged lights.

Only a few of those are reasons to hate the xbox 360.
If you're going to nitpick over all that shit then you're a fucking hypocrite.

ManjiKengo

This was funny, but some of the reasons were a little stupid. The one with carmen electra and snoop stands out.

Most of them were spot on and things I agree with, being a 360 owner. DRM should've been #2 though.

@Jamaces:

I still have one. My main TV (and wife's gaming TV) is a 36" standard Magnavox (oooh Neo Geo I love you!), and my gaming/sits-by-the-bed TV is a 19" Westy HDTV that I bought specifically for games. When TV is watched on it, it's hooked up through RF and looks like crap.

O the irony.

@JudgeNutmeg:

Yes that music was funny and won't stop playing in my head, even as I type.

@NutManIV:

My gamerpic is Mechazawa (plushie version) from Cromartie High School.

Billkwando

Reason 101: Having to enter your bloody date-of-birth just to see this.

Its becoming more like Gametrailers.com every day. Go on, everybobdy enter '31st-Feb-1900' and brake their utterly pointless validation, I double dog dare all of you.

humongous_mouse

TheEngineer: Rocking the Goggles: My games on the 360 are Oblivion, Orange Box, and Mass Effect. Only one of those is a shooter

They're ALL shooters

In Orange box, you shoot guns
In Mass Effect you shoot guns
In Oblivion you shoot arrows

/kidding

lordargent

i agree with most of what was said. but i still own a 360, and love it.

Luuey

@Onizuka-GTO: what the hell did you just say?

excel_excel

i hope we get the wii one, im running out of reasons to hate it.

people keep saying the same thing, as my sensei told me.

i've heard it a millionth time. get something new.

Sony as well, that's tiring too, they make things too easy.

seriously, everybody keeps repeating the same thing.

ZETSUBOUSHITA!

makes me wanna compete in the throw-a-kiss culture Olympics just for kicks.

grabs men in diapers and fling them at people

Onizuka-GTO

@Gray665: Yeah, this is the first gen that I don't own every console yet. The 360 is just too damn good right now.

Madeira

Boring and badly made. And music that makes me want to strangle a cat.

kennyd1

Well they have valid points but I still am really happy with my 360 and feel like it satisfies all my gaming and media needs to the point that I have no desire to buy a PS3 or Wii any time soon, if ever.

Gray665

@battra92: I think hardcore is all about 2D vertical shooters. ;)
IKARUGAAAAA!!!!!!!! :)

excel_excel

@baked ham: Sounds like somebody's bitter that they messed up the subplot to get Williams in the sack.

heh. Really though, I've heard so many varying opinions on ME... it's just one of those games that you get back what you put into it. For me, it all clicked.

Let the 360 hate flow...

Madeira

@RemyDuvalle: Except Mass Effect. That's not on the Ps3, and it's one of the three he listed. Also, he is right, the 360 has the most RPG's out of any of the major three right now. The only major area of games that are lacking are platfomrers.
Of course, shooters are plauging all the systems it seems like. A while back shooters only accounted for less than 30% of the genres on the 360. That was around 6 months ago, don't know what it's like now.

I_Hate_This_Place

@excel_excel: Well said. Hardcore does not equal a gazillion FPS games

I think hardcore is all about 2D vertical shooters. ;)

In all seriousness, my big beef with the X360 is that the games aren't there for me. I'd like to play Eternal Sonata but that's coming to the PS3. I really don't like FPS and haven't since about 2001.

Unfortunately JRPGs are hard to come by on current gen systems and it looks like they are bound to stay on PS2 or something. I can't wait for Tales of Symphonia 2 on the Wii but other than that I can't really find any others I want coming soon.

Current gen fails JRPGs.

battra92

@kingmanic: ah thanks I was aware of that, but the eu backwards compatability site listed fucking nothing and hadn't bothered to update....but still any PS3 in europe has it on the back that it won't support PS2 games

excel_excel

@TheEngineer: Rocking the Goggles: Come on, you know that Mass Effect is a shooter, too, right? It just happens to have deeper characters than a traditional shooter. But it's a shooter. And, yeah, the story really isn't any deeper than your average game. It just has more & deeper characters. The story itself? Pretty simplistic.

Fun game, though. I think it's under-rated as a shooter and over-rated as an RPG.

baked ham

Haaaattttteeee the music, but they did hit the nail on the head.
Makes me frightened for the PS3 one ... I mean interested-interested right, yeah not scared, interested. Whew, close one.

jasoncourt

@TheEngineer: Rocking the Goggles: Also, you do realize that all 3 games you listed for your 360 are also, readily available on PS3 as well, right?

Also, both of the "non" shooters have many elements taken from FPS and TPS.

RemyDuvalle

@RemyDuvalle: Well said. Hardcore does not equal a gazillion FPS games

excel_excel

@excel_excel: "18 - Hypocrites - they also champoined how the PS3 had full backwards compatibility and the 360 didn't....but now? not in europe at any rate"

The original 40 GB and 60 GB has 95%+ BC. All the 80 Gb version, the EU versions and any version that isn't the 40 GB version has 80%+ BC. The 360 has 50% BC 2 years after launch. They still support it but so many people bitched about the price, cuts had to come from somewhere. 80% isn't bad.

kingmanic

@NutManIV: Well, admittedly, I was exaggerating just a bit. But seriously, the 360 has more FPS or FPS disguised as TPS than any other genre(s)

I mean, Halo 3, Orange Box, Darkness, Bioshock, Rainbow Six 3 Vegas, RS3V2, GRAW 1 & 2, Call of Duty 2, 3, 4, FEAR, FEAR Files, Front Lines, Turok, Turning Point, Brothers in Arms, Perfect Dark Zero, Unreal Tour 3, Blacksite, Conflickt, Soldier of Fortune, Hour of Victory, Shadowrun, Battle for the Pacific, Call of Juarez, Nation Divided, Prey, Condemned, Condemned 2, Medal of Honor, Time Shift, Far Cry... etc

... I'm not even saying that's what I own or think are the must-haves, but almost any everyday gamer I come across will recommend a FPS to me. Rarely do I get any input on other genres. I'm a gamer that appreciates all types of games. (mostly games that are fun, not necessarily BIG or graphically amazing).

Which is why I play a lot of XBLA titles. They're just fun... no having to bother with some BS story in the games that don't need 'em. (though, stories are good in some games).

There are a LOT more FPS on the 360 than any other genre... unless you consider "retro" its own genre... which it ain't.

@TheEngineer: Rocking the Goggles: Just take a look at a list of FPS and TPS for the 360 and compare it to any other genre. Or just look at how many are actually out and how many are announced...

The stereotype is there for a reason. Unfortunately, this trend isn't just a problem for 360, but next-gen in general... and is now becoming the fore-front of "hardcore" gaming.

RemyDuvalle

Microtransactions. Period, dealbreaker.

Green Armadillo

What, There was a point to that video?

I was busy raving to the FUCKING AWESOME MUSIC

P_e

LOL. This is all too true. Needs more microsoft sucks in there though.

Though I think its funny that they call all of the haters fanboys. Hating a console for perfectly good reasons (as demonstrated by the film) does not make you a fanboy.

The Amazing Exploding-Man

18 - Hypocrites - they also champoined how the PS3 had full backwards compatibility and the 360 didn't....but now? not in europe at any rate

excel_excel

Your american date entries fail. Its DD/MM/YYYY.

Hirmetrium

@Father-Time:

15. Collects dust

16. Xbox 360 ports months later, worse graphics

17. Games being release unplayable, needs patch (I know 360 runs into this some times, but it seems to happen more or worse on the PS3 and patches usually are delayed way longer)

18. Hypocrites- Calls Microsoft dumb for having multiple Skus, then a year later challenges MS for total number of unique Skus. Also says Achievements are Dumb, then tries to make it look original when they implement it into Home.

More to come...

Justcrim

What? Only 100 reasons to hate the Xbox? Blasphemy. I can think of a thousand more.

Either way, this video wins. And I haven't even watched it yet.

Tyber_Zann

@AudibleDefect: I agree with all your points, but I would add the 360 controller to the love list.

Harteex

I haven't Red-Ringed yet so no complaint. I don't really buy into this format/pc/console warfare.

If a game bombards my senses and expands my mind; I buy and play. If its overall production is garbage, regardless of platform, I scowl and put on a mean hat.

Fyren

lol.. this was good XD
Can't wait to see the Wii and PS3 ones..

CockroachMan

@Father-Time: I own a 360 and a PS3, ps3 is now my favorite just because my 360 keeps dying. For my PS3 I disagree with your comment. Price might be high but now since blu-ray won the war it's more acceptable. Most don't care about playing ps2 games on ps3 since many already own a ps2. PS3 has rock band which imo is much better than gh3. MGS4 is delayed to make things better, I would prefer getting a delayed game that works than getting a game like vegas 2 quick and there be a thousand problems. PS3 now has rumble with dual shock 3. Six-Axis is annoying but many games don't make you use it, if they do it's very limited. HDMI is wonderful, it makes ps2 games and ps3 games look much better than component cables. It's huge, but there's not power supply like the 360. I don't experience long download times with my cable connection. hardware gets hot, 360 gets hot, gaming PCs get hot, that's not a valid reason to hate a system. The library of games is almost equal in games with 360, since everything is going cross-platform.

RYAMATSU

Being a Sex-Box fan I watched that video ready to be offended and start me some good ol' american hatin'. But now that I've watched it .. "meh"

Seriously, I think you'd have to try pretty hard to get ire worked up over stuff like "power brick" because evidently ... a power brick is a reason to hate something?

I dunno, pretty weak stuff. I am so let down.

...I'll have to go put my "intarwebz fightin' breeches" back in the closet I guess.

PadreScout

@NutManIV: hehehehe like Peter Moneylux

excel_excel

@Father-Time: Yes I suppose if you consider Oblivion a 'must-have' it still boggles the mind how the 360 has more JRPGs than the PS3...theres some great ones on the horison though..Disgaea 3!!

I could start the Wii ones easily, don't get me wrong I love the Wii but I could easily make a list...

excel_excel

The PS3 itself doesnt get warm, but it blows a LOT of hot air out. Which is good.

NutManIV

Wow, of the 100 reasons Fanboys hate the Xbox, there are 5 real reasons to actually hate the system. Go figure.

Justcrim

I had to giggle at the non-compatibility of Stranglers Wrath and Beyond good and evil. Two of my favorite games on the xbox!

Gadgetron

@Father-Time: Did you, like, just wake up and found out there is a PS3 out or something?

Most of your points scream "uninformed" blatantly in my face. Besides, my 65nm PS3 (on the right) doesn't even get warm. And that's after playing hours of any game you can name.

Candlejack

How can "power brick" be a problem 2 or 3 times? How can RROD be a problem 3 or 4 times? How can "XBOX vs PC" be a problem? I'm no XBox fanboy, but this article = fail.

Phantom_Photon

My biggest complaint with the WII is that it's ALWAYS sold out.

I don't want to have to buy it off Ebay.

Father-Time

@Father-Time:
#2 - Is it really that confusing? I think it's pretty straight forward. If you don't have the 40 GB, you have PS2 compatibility.

#3 - Guitar Hero 3 is available for PS3

#6 - How does this effect your enjoyment of the game for PS3?

#7 - MGS4 has a release date, and it'll hit it. What's the complaint about here?

#8 - If rumble is important to you, you have the choice to buy a DualShock 3

#11 - Costs 7 dollars including shipping @ Monoprice.com

#13 - Yes it does.

baked ham

@Magic Emperor Anima: Whoops, meant that to be @Father-Time. Sorry!

Magic Emperor Anima

As long as I have good games to play, the platform doesn't matter to me. That allows me to love equally, but also to hate equally. I look forward to the future installments.

jayntampa

@solid0no
yes I forgot about that one, my apologies.

Father-Time

As a guy who guy who just plain loves gaming, I'll really enjoy all of these. I just hope the PC will get its own time as well.

Dual45s

@excel

I was mostly trying to think of what they will say in the video

Oh and the PS3 does have the elder scrolls IV (unless you meant exclusive RPGS in which case I can't think of any, although I don't follow RPGs).

Father-Time

*sniff* they had to mention my lovely Rare....*sniff* lets hope Banjo Threeie rocks the house...

excel_excel

@Father-Time:

those aren't valid anymore. when did you make that list? back in march of 07?

you LOSE, good day sir!

Akmed

@Father-Time:
#3 there IS a guitar Hero for ps3 though

SolidOni_ds

This is pointless and childish. Do we really need any more reasons to encourage fanboy wars?

inphanta

well they said it all for me :)

although some of those "reasons" are valid on PS3 as well. like product placement, echoes, annoying mics.

Akmed

@Father-Time: I don't understand how Devil May Cry 4 being multiplatform is a bad thing. You'd be happy if nobody else had it?

And there is no 'must have' RPGs for the PS3, folklore and heavenly sword are not fantastic games, there good no doubt though

excel_excel

@NutManIV:
1. Price is getting better.
2. 40 gig is the only cheaper model now.
3. Guitar Hero 3?
4. True, I guess.
5. Most people "claim" to not even care about Home, most wanting just a similar method of playing games online like Live.
6. Nothing wrong with that.
7. June 12th. Sneak out.
8. Dual Shock 3.
9. Depends on the case.
10. True, but it's shiny. >_>
11. Not NEEDED, just needed for teh HDz
12. Depends.
13. Doesn't cause certain problems often, so...
14. It's getting there, and will be great by the end of the year.
15. Boombalacasta!

The PS3 video is going to be amusing. I guess.

Magic Emperor Anima

...some of those I don't "hate" at all. Having to buy Crackdown to get the Halo 3 beta was fine, since Crackdown fucking ruled.

KaneRobot

Way to sneak a PS3 disc in there at 1:41.

Swiffer

@NutManIV: You made and assertion a set of games where "must buy titles" which were exclusive to the 360 and not FPS's. I denied they were must buy but acknowledged they were good and noted the only universally accepted to be "must have" titles on your list were not exclusives.

I am a gamer who owns all 3 consoles and a decent year old computer. Warcraft 3/Diablo occupies any in between time I have between major console title releases and enables me to get what ever game I'm interested in.

kingmanic

@AudibleDefect:

You cant play your arcade games on Live? Wtf. Thats messed up. at first when i got my replacement 360 i could only play on live. Anyway, you can easily fix this. Call 18004myxbox and tell them you need to change the licenses of your arcade games. Then you redownload them and they work offline and online.

NutManIV

I own a PS3 let me get started on the complaint list.

#1 Price
#2 Confusing cheaper models (is the fucking thing backwords compatible or not)
#3 No Guitar Hero
#4 Bad friends list support
#5 Home delayed for the umpteenth time
#6 Devil May Cry multiplatform
#7 MGS4 delayed still
#8 NO RUMBLE!
#9 Six-Axis is a nuisance sometimes (most times)
#10 It's huge
#11 HDMI cable needed
#12 LONG downlaod times
#13 It gets hot
#14 Library of games is growing VERY slowly
#15 ...
I honestly can't think of anything else right now. I don't envy their job of coming up with 100 reasons.

Father-Time

Oh yeah, I should say that I'm probably going easy on the 360 because of it's tremendous reliability. Let me explain. Out of all of the consoles I've ever owned, the 360 is the only one that has never even frozen up. I know. I'm a REALLY special case. You know how everyone praises Nintendo for it's well made products? Well I've been through 3 GBAs, 3 DS lites, and 3 Wiis. Everything Nintendo related that I own breaks. The only Nintendo product I have that has never broken was my N64.

TheEngineer: Rocking the Goggles

I appreciate what they are trying to do, but short of a well-placed nuke, nothing will get rid of fanboys. :(

ShaggE

@kingmanic:

"Must have" is your opinion. IMO, Forza 2 and ac6 are definitely must haves, and honestly if you are a PC gamer then you probably don't own a console anyway(I was a PC gamer once myself. ) so its irrelevant to point out that they're(gow, mass effect) on the PC. Most people dont have PCs capable of running Gears or mass effect on decent settings.

I dont even get the point of this conversation here. I told someone the must have 360 games and you replied with "well i dont think those are that good" and "you can get some of them on the PC".

NutManIV

Well, this is a collection on the most common arguments against the Xbox and Xbox 360... it doesn't have to make them true, but it's the arguments people use. Some of them are very true, some barely true and some outright ridiculous.

I wonder if they will cover PCs, DSs and PSPs too.

The Whaleman

@enewtabie:
Folklore? Really? I haven't heard much about it, but most people say it's pretty good, but not anywhere near the level of Mass Effect or Oblivion. In fact, why don't we just look at the number of JRPGs on the 360 and PS3 that have made it out of Japan. I think the 360 actually has more.

TheEngineer: Rocking the Goggles

Why i hate the 360
1. RROD (i have 2 360's im on referb #2 and #4)
2. DRM - going back to #1, now I have XBLA games I can not play, even when connect to live
3. Live yearly fee's (well actually i dont mind paying for the wonderful service they provide)
4. Loud, very loud. I left the ps3 on for a week once without realizing it was even on... so quiet
5. Hmm, help me out here

Why I love my 360
1. It has the games
2. It has the Games.

AudibleDefect

#1 reason the 360 sucks: 6 months and RROD!Thus far 19 replacements/16 360 owners I know including me. Sure they will replace it and give me a free month of live but really. 6 months! Also taking off my CC from the console was a 45 min head ache via a Filipino call center. Why is removing your credit card such a hassle with Ms when Nintendo and Sony just let you remove it via their GUI. MS requires a call to their call center, 3 verifications of the same ID with 3 different people, 3 separate people giving me the exact same "don't leave us we want your money" spiel, and a 30 day wait. Given this I'll be buying my multi-platform games on the wii and PS3.

kingmanic

@Jamaces: I do. The fact that it's blasphemy to not own an HDTV this gen is certainly indicative of everyone's fucked up priorities in gaming these days.

futurebiblehero

You have Mass Effect and Lost Odyssey now, so there's now offically THREE good RPG's on the 360.

I used to be a fairly biased Sony fanboy, but after getting a 360 my opinions have become much more balanced. It IS the console worth owning out of the three at the moment due to having the best roster of games.

Although if you have a gaming quality PC, which most of it's better games that aren't already multi-platform are on, you'd be bette