@TheIrishNinja:

If you can find copies of FE 1 and 2 for the PS1 in a bin somewhere, hop on em. Because they used Cell Shading, they've aged pretty well with todays modern graphics.

I dont really know how to describe Fear Effect. They were pretty unique games. Multiple endings, one 'main' character but you switch characters based on plot points in the story... and a lot of asian devil/spirit mythology mixed in. Like the really fucked parts of mythology. Prostitutes with demon spirits cannibalizing people, your best friend is sacrificed, the guy you are working for turns out to be the devil sewing chaos on earth, you're travelling to hell and burning paper dolls to stay alive...

Yeah, see. Not really sure how to describe it. Kind of starts out as your typical third person solid snake female lead character infiltrate government building game, but quickly decends into the realm of madness. Pretty edgy stuff for the PS1 days.

Komrade_Kayce

@TheIrishNinja: They *made* you return it? That's odd, they've never done that to me.

Speaking of GameFly/survival horror games, how good are Fatal Frame 1 and 2? I'm thinking about putting them in my queue, but only if they are genuinely scary.

ShaggE

Sloopydrew

@Darcii:
I saw the Siren movie too and it wasn't that good since it really had nothing to do with the game, only the basic premise.
I didn't see Aoi Sora in the movie though, can't believe I'd miss her O_O
So is that a Porn version of Siren then? Guess I'll have to hunt that down too =)

Dir_en_grey

@Komrade_Kayce: never played a Fear Effect, were they good? and yeah, id love it but i wonder if id be brave enough for a Fatal Frame on 360/PS3. I still cant finish part 2, heh.

TheIrishNinja

Darcii

@TheIrishNinja:

Whats a survival horrorist to do in times like these, non?

Seriously, what am I to do. Condemned 2 is the only scary game to come to mind thats been released in the last little while. We need a new Fear Effect or Fatal Frame or something.

Komrade_Kayce

@Sloopydrew: stoopid gamefly made me return it the other week, or id still be on it. but yes, good point sir, that's a solid one.

i just like having another option, what with alone in the dark delayed and no real concrete dates on SH5/RE5, you know?

TheIrishNinja

Man am I glad the stage for the story will be at the same place as part 1 and 2.
From the scan it says the game is not a "remake" or a "sequel", but a retelling of the events of part one coming from American's point of view.
Sounds promising and I'm totally importing this! =)

@108:
All cut scenes in part 1 and 2 have full voice, so I don't see why this will be any different. Even in game there was only full voice when exchanging speeches, of short dialogs between characters and the moaning of the shibito's.

There is reading involved and it's part of the fun for the game as you collect old articles and tape & video recordings (these have full voice playbacks) and try to figure out WTF was actually going on.

Dir_en_grey

I've never heard of this title before. How did the original play?

Cchrist

There are no surprises in the interwebs!

rucky

Sounds pretty awesome to me, Its kinda hard to judge by those screens, but it looks at least "good" graphically.

Im ready for my horror fix :). Bring ze game to Europe Sony!

luxusa

Every time I see that red Siren box sitting on the used game shelf for the PS2, I wonder if it would be worth trying.

Komrade_Kayce

Sloopydrew

@108: I had thought that the first Siren everything was pretty much voice?

I own the game but dont remember too well lol.

All I remember was there was a lot of VA in it.

Witzbold

@108:
Yep, yep! That I know, that I know. Was being snide.

Brian Ashcraft

The countdown might be for another Siren game?

or I could just be pulling it out of my ass.

GranzonTotoro

Drop us a line when someone over at Tecmo hints at Fatal Frame for PS3. Thus will my knickers be properly bunched.

humorbot

"There's still 45 hours left on the blood red clock. So... Not much of a countdown, huh?"

That's because Famitsu goes on sale on Friday, Bashcraft.

And sommmmme people get it on Wednesday. The special people.

Ahh, sweet Famitsu! It's so thick this week I could take a delicious bite of it!

108

Yawning so hard my jaw is about to detach, over here.

The dialog will probably be 75% text, like with Ryu ga gotoku.

108

Yes. this is good. I needs more current-gen survival horror, even if i did sleep on the last game.

TheIrishNinja

@ironraiden:

Perhaps they are aware of the flaws of the first game and intend to address them?

Dont count your chickens before they hatch dude.

Besides the more horror games in this HD generation the better.

luxusa

Holy Shit....I am officially the happiest man in the world right now.

Call me crazy, but I thought the first one was one of the best games available on the PS2. To this day, I have yet to play a video game that tops it in sound design......awesome news.

FarmboyinJapan

@ShaggE: well, i kinda quit using their service (it was good, but i got enough games on deck right now) and you know, they wanted their shit back, which is kinda fair.

@Komrade_Kayce: shit, now im all sad i slept on that series in the day, i was somehow convinced it was just another action/platformer or something, odd.

say, did you dig fatal frame 1 more than 2? i kinda skipped 1.

TheIrishNinja

The game was so bad I sold it about 24h after I bought it. Why remake such a crappy game when there is so much good stuff suffering from graphic aging (Silent Hill 1 anyone?)

ironraiden

Was I the only one that found Siren a terribly hard horror game. Even among Fatal Frame, Clock Tower, and others I could never beat Siren even with a guide. Oh well, maybe I'll watch someone else beat this one for me. :D

Laziness ftw~

Kanashimi

Sloopydrew

@Komrade_Kayce: Sounds good, then. I shall add it thusly.

Let's just hope the 360 emulates it well.

ShaggE

@ShaggE:

Fatal Frame 1 is by far the scariest game I've ever played. I still have trouble picking it up and playing it at night.

Imagine a Resident Evil style 'solve these puzzles' maze mansion. Now picture it with japanese shit everywhere. Oh, and this mansion has ghosts in it. LOTS. Not the sort that go 'ooooooo' and jump out at you, but the sort that will quietly go through the walls of three rooms you've just walked through, stalking you, until they slip up behind you and kill you.

And oh yeah, all you've got to fight them is a camera.

Komrade_Kayce

@ShaggE:

The opening cinematic theme to SH2 is still on my ipod.

Music is probably one of the most integral parts to a survival horror game. Knowing when to have it, what type to have, and when to cut it out can make or break a game for me.

Example of Failure: Resident Evil. Lucky for RE, the gameplay, zombies and cheesy B Story kicked serious ass. But the music? Entirely forgettable, except for two pieces, the precinct theme from 2, and the mansion theme from 1. (*winces, waiting for RE-fanboy flames*)

Komrade_Kayce

@Witzbold: Aye. Silent Hill 2 is one of my favorite games ever. (except for the ridiculously long walk at the beginning)

I liked 3 almost as much, even though the enemies and overall plot were pretty uninspired. I think what redeems it in my eyes is that it has the best soundtrack of the series, in my opinion. Only Room Of Angel from SH4 tops it.

ShaggE

@Witzbold:

Wasn't there two PSP ones so far? The recent game and the 'interactive story'?

I heard the story one was pretty damn good actually, for just being a novel of sorts.

Komrade_Kayce

@Witzbold: Best Story ever is an understatement, if that's even possible.
fav game

mescalineeyes

@TheIrishNinja:

I did dig FF 1 more than 2, but 2 was also really good. I have this really strange mentality about sequels. Theres not much logic to the way I think, but generally if I play a sequel my brain seems to instinctively feel like 'okay, this was pretty fucked the first time, it can't get much worse'.

Silent Hill 2, funny you should mention it, was the first Silent Hill game I played. Same thing happened with all the Silent Hill's after it. James' journey was so hardcore that everything else seemed to just be weaksauce.

Something about FF1, because its 'new' to the main character, scares me a little bit more.

And yeah. Dont feel bad about missing out on the Fear Effects. Lots and lots of people did. Plus, unless you actually sit your butt down to play the game, it does seem action/platformer for the first few levels. Its only once you start seeing demons tear people apart from the inside, and start having to show your naked body to guards to distract them (seriously, lol) that you start finding this wonderful world within.

Komrade_Kayce

Witzbold

@Dir_en_grey: Silent Hill 2 would like to have a word with you, sir.

TheIrishNinja

@Cchrist:

Pretty badly apparently. But Siren 2 improved alot of features and gameplay from its predecessor.

I hope that we should expect Team Siren to know what they're doing.

luxusa

@ironraiden:
Cuz the creators of Silent Hill One and members of Team Silent went off and formed Team Siren to make the Siren series, that's why Silent Hill went downhill after one =P

Dir_en_grey

@108: If you go to the right shop, you can get Famitsu on Wednesday. Dont go to any major retailers.

TT

@mescalineeyes: Makes sense. But still sucks when you want to replay it.

I'll admit that it is awesome the first time, though, since you keep expecting something to happen.

Damn, now I want to play it again...

ShaggE

@ShaggE: If you bought the collectors edition back in the day, they explain why the walk is so god-damn long.

it is so the player feels really segregated from the outside world.

mescalineeyes

@Komrade_Kayce: Agreed. I can barely remember any of the music from RE, except a slight bit from RE2.

In contrast, I often have trouble getting Silent Hill music out of my head. (the only other game that does that to me is Rise Of The Triad. Best MIDI soundtrack ever.)

ShaggE

Man i loved Siren 2. Dunno much about the first one as a GAME, but both of them have totally terrified me. Using video for face textures is pure genius.

Sunjammer

@Witzbold:

REmake was far more than just BOO Witz. To me, it felt like they took a page from SH when it came to actually developing an atmosphere.

But otherwise, yes. Theres only so many times you can scare me with crows smashing through a window before I turn every corner expecting something to leap out, and then, nothing scares me much anymore. Kinda like Marilyn Manson with his shock rock (no offense ShaggE, hehe)

Komrade_Kayce

@ShaggE: I dont have high expectations for RE anyways since I know what the genre is going for.

RE = BOO

SH = Mind fuck (Only 2 that is)

Witzbold

@Komrade_Kayce: Wow. That's... wow.

But I have to say that I still liked SH4. Just not nearly as much as the first three. Great premise, mediocre execution.

@Witzbold: And there's it's downfall, in my opinion.
RE is great in small doses, but jump scares get tiresome after awhile, and the infamous acting eliminates any sense of foreboding it tries to build up.

Silent Hill, on the other hand, relies on atmosphere and unrelenting nihilism, which causes it to be far scarier and more appealing. (I know I'm preaching to the choir here, but I can't help but ramble when it comes to horror :P)

ShaggE

@ShaggE: Nothing about SH2 sucks, no matter how many times you replay it ;)

mescalineeyes

Well RE is a different genre of horror than SH really.

If we were to say with movies for example RE = Dawn of the Dead

SH = Jacobs Ladder

Witzbold

@ShaggE:

Heres a surefire sign of where the quality of the series went.

Used SH4 at EB Games - 2.99
Used SH2 Platinum Hits - 11.99

I bought SH4 a few months back cause it was the only SH I recalled throwing down in disgust.

I did the same thing again. :( Except with a copy that cost me less than five dollars this time.

Komrade_Kayce

@ShaggE: I think I just had a cineastic orgasm. mmmhm lynch.

mescalineeyes

@Komrade_Kayce: LOL, don't get me started on Manson. :P

ShaggE

@Witzbold: Exactly.

Of course, I should point out that I'm not saying I dislike RE. I'm actually a fan. But I think of it more as action/adventure than Survival Horror.

Tangent: David Lynch presents Silent Hill 2: The Movie. Somebody make this happen.

ShaggE

Yes Siren 1 was hilarious with the extrememly japanese looking characters with heavy cockney accents...

sooiee115

i just hope the people that do the voice overs aren't tards like in FS1 and FS2
imean i love the game but , whenever opnne of the characters starts talking in that strong british accent i just turn the game off lol

黒天使

@Witzbold: What are the odds that if I import this, the VA will be in English? (After all, the VA in the little teaser countdown website is in English...)

I always wanted to play Siren, never did. This seems like a good time to finally play Siren! Just want to do it in a language I comprehend. If it's not English over there, then hopefully it hits North America sooner rather than later.

Strange Bedfellows

The problem I had was the first Siren was that it wasn't very organic ... in that, I mean that you had to follow a rigid path to survive the levels. It was really more of a puzzle game than a survival horror game. There was usually one, and only one, path through the level.

I totally welcome a re-telling of the first if they've corrected that. The story was interesting and scary enough for me to want to play it with a corrected system.

jayntampa

Yess. This is awesome. The first Siren was really a terrifying game but it was too hard. So I hope they fix the hardness of the game somehow. And I hope they retain the Japanese voice over this time around.

ksins5

@Sloopydrew: Thats more than 2.

@ShaggE: Heads would explode!

Cchrist

Nice to see some SH2 fans. I remember playing that game a whole day straight and not being able to sleep that night >_<

As for this game, whoa 90% completed already and nobody even knew about it? sneaky sneaky!

Is this going to be a japan-only release or will it make its way to US?

doesntlikedede

How come games in the US never get announced when they're 90% done and 3 months away from release? Isn't that what Dyack is always going on about?

@Gameboy415:

It was released in Europe but unfortunately never in the US due to poor sales of the first one. Survival horror is much more popular in Europe for some reason.

skullivan

Was Siren 2 ever released in English?
More specifically, in the US??

Also, everyone who is a fan of survival horror games simply MUST play Fatal Frame 1-3. The first two games may seem unrelated, but the 3rd game (which was the scariest, IMO) ties them all together. I STILL have nightmares about that game. *shudder*

I still can't understand why people liked Silent Hill 2. I HATED it! But luckily I decided to give Silent Hill 1 a chance a few years later and I came to like the series overall. SH2 just wasn't fun IMO. *shrug*

Gameboy415

Cool, I really enjoyed the first one.

Also does anybody else notice that a lot of horror games have different names in different regions? For instance Resident Evil is Biohazard in Japan, Siren is Forbidden Siren in Europe and Fatal Frame is Project Zero in Europe.

electroshockwave

@luxusa:

Well, that's a whole lot of issues to address... clumsy controls, less than inmersive story (Reading the manual was way more inmersive than the game itself, for crying out loud), outright crappy graphics (Some people think the "video in your face" thing was a great idea... I'm not one of them), and I'm not even going to begin with the european localization, specially voices. It would be easier to spend all those resources in making a new game altogether, IMHO.

ironraiden

Aww, never heard about this series before. Sounds like it's good writing wrapped in mediocre gameplay. That about right?

Guizzy

King Seafoam

I heard that Sam Raimi was going to do a Siren or Fatal Frame Movie is this true?

MURDERFACE

@Witzbold:

4 sucked but I thought Origins was excellent. It was a little too "by the book" but I don't think they wanted to rock the boat too much (they scrapped an earlier version of the game that was too action-y).

I wish Konami would remake SH1 for 360/PS3. Even when it was new its graphics were dated.

skullivan

I never did play the first for fear of constantly screaming a stream of obscenities all night for 1) getting creeped out 2) getting caught constantly by those wandering people because I'm lousy at sightjacking and sneaking around.

If I do end up getting the courage, I'll think about getting this third one.

Anyone have a lion I can swipe some from?...

MelodyKitn

I called it on PS3forums! Woot! The first Siren was too frustrating, the second one never hit the US, but maybe this one will, since Sony can't afford a US only release, methinks, when the PS3 is starving for Horror.

bobtheduck

@Witzbold: Silent Hill 2 is awesome. it's my favorite SH and in my top 10. You can't beat the story, music, and cast (even though they were all psychos except Laura)

Luna

The first Siren game was OK, but I don't think the second one is going to be any good.

foxwarrior88

Siren is by far the most intellectually rigorous and paranoia-inducing survival horror game ever made. I was very bummed with Siren 2 not coming to the States.

Here's hoping this one will, at least- and from the title, it does sound like it could maybe be a revamp of one of the older titles- everyone loves Fatal Frame (so do I), but there's nothing like Siren!

liba

@Komrade_Kayce: then they ruin it all with lots of arcade like special effects in the HUD and POWER UPS!... I have all 3 games and highly recommend them, but I did find the whirling colorful HUD effects to be a little silly and distracting from the scares.

I have Condemned 2, but honestly haven't been motivated to unshrinkwrap it. The demo was not scary and not that interesting. Penumbra: Black Plague is ahead of it in the horror queue and I'm much more interested in that.

I'll try it soon though.

I loved SH2 but I will admit the combat got repetitive and it was too easy to kill everything (minus the end boss) with just the melee weapons. SH3 fixed those problems mostly. 4 had a great story, and some very good ideas, but also some nasty flaws. I wouldn't throw it out and go the direction sh5 seems to be doing. My expectations for Sh5 are lower than for even SH Origins and those were pretty low.
SH origins could get away with certain standard trappings as it seemed like a companion story to the first game and it did add several unique twists on gameplay and settings. I liked it, but the ending I thought was weak, and very predictable, and the final boss was dull (the other bosses were actually more interesting).

I really think there's a lot of good in Siren but the gameplay mechanics needed serious fixing. I keep wanting to rebuy siren 1, but if this is a remake and it will come to NA, then I may just wait.

Ehardergardens

Siren HD, huh? That's fine by me, if it'll spark enough interest to get Siren 2 released in the US.

For those that haven't played it yet, it's, like, $10 or something at Gamestop/Blockbuster/etc. It's seriously disturbing imagery, and the gameplay...once you wrap your head around the time-travelling and sight-jacking, it's a great action-puzzler-RTS-thingy.

Yes. Get it. Now.

boopadoo

Siren was scary as hell. I'm so psyched we finally are getting a next-gen version.

Budkin