@VixDiesel:

Don't get your hopes up as console people aren't apparently in the loop as far as TF2 goes.

I can hold out hope that my 360 TF2 experience gets better.

ZenGaijin

The new needle weapon is most likeley called the Blutsauger, not blutauger.

Blutsauger is Bloodsucker in german (kind of the same thing as vampire)

GustoGaiden

since you gotta get the weapons via achievements, how's it gonna work on the ps3?

VixDiesel

First time I notice the Medic looks like Egon from Ghostbusters

interstate78

sigh... I don't like being a medic...

KingDavid73

Some of these achievements are going to be hard for me to get ;_;

Uchikoma

@Pezdispenser: just play dustbowl-only servers and make sure you're healing someone when/if your team defends the map without losing a point. it doesn't happen that often but when it does you always see a list of about 5 people come up on the HUD who've just earned that achievement so if you're healing someone, the odds are you'll unlock that one. that's really the only way you can predict when someone's going to get an achievement because so many people still don't have that one and you know exactly when it'll get unlocked.

lordofsword

I'm curious as to whether those precise stats are being calculated right now...

Maybe some of us will have some achievements unlocked when they come out.

Blebleman

Dear Valve,

Please have my love child.

XOXO,
Taggart6

TaggarT6

Gonna love playing this on release day, entire games full of medics :\

Asfad

@Hoboman725: Quarry?

Pezdispenser

Getting all those Achievments will be hard thus the reward for the crit rocket rapid fire medigun seems like a just reward for awesome medics. side note: uber bone saw = hell yes.

Cant wait to see the engineer and spy gear.

Derigor

About time they give the medic some love. I wonder how this is going to change the game though. Will we see more spam soldiers around? I'm for sure going to pick up the medic class and play around with this all when it releases.

macr0planet

@Stevedroid:
I think what will be more likely to happen:
Medic 1: Haha! SOlider lets go with all Crit Rockets!
Solider1: Yeah!!!
New Medic (Other Team): Umm...I have an uber ready...
Heavy: Uber Me!

Uber Heavy vs. Critting Solider
Winner: Uber Heavy
Assuming Both Solider and Heavy are being played by good players.

trogam

@Blebleman:

Yeah, the Invulnability lingers for a moment when you switch target, you so can have 2 people invulnable at the same time.

Its hard to keep it up though.

The_Phiphler

Bedside manner sounds like the hardest to get if you don't hop aboard early...

Regardless, I really look forward to this. :)

Pezdispenser

Second Opinion: Ubercharge two teammates at once

Wait....what?

Blebleman

Wow I don't think I'd be able to accomplish most of those achievements but seeing how good the new weapons are maybe making the achievements as hard as hell is a good thing. Most of the achievements seem only possible if you join a game of just friends to specifically gain these achievements.

Jacktherip

damnit. i'm never going to get the ubersaw. screw these "friends" achievements. i'm a loner online and i like it that way.

willyolio

I love playing medic, so this shouldn't be too bad...

trogam

I think the wording on the new Medigun is extremly poor Mr. Flynn de Marco.

"The Critzcrieg, a new medigun that will rapid fire critical rockets" does NOT explain what it does.

The difference is, that instead of your Medigun target going invulnable when you use the Übercharge, they get 100% crits as long as your charge lasts.

Please reword this for the sake of those not in the know.

The_Phiphler

@dethFLUX:
they expect you to learn how to play the medic.

i've done it numerous times. shame the achievement wasn't out there already.

willyolio

Great so they're separating the community into have and have-nots based on whether or not you do nothing but play TF2.

I enjoy TF2 on an occasional basis, and looking at that list I'd get maybe two of those. Why should I get less play options just because I don't devote my life to playing the game? I paid the same amount of money for the game that everyone else did.

If they keep up with this they're basically going to create a game that's totally unapproachable for newbies and more casual players. It'll be a wasteland of obnoxious 14 years olds with all the upgrades.

Stevedroid

Any word as to when this + Badlands will be released onto the consoles? Really tired of waiting for new content... esp. since I play this game every night. :'(

inn1t

@Hollowcow: Because it is an afterthought and not worth bothering with.

Brine

Why have you forsaken the console version, Valve!?? Why!!!!

Hollowcow

Why does Valve keep making it more and more obvious that the 360 version is garbage?

Looks like I'm finally investing in a decent build of TF2.

Sesstuna

speaking of making steam friends to earn achievements, is the kotaku group on steam actually official?

DaoKaioshin

@Clarke: there's a custom map out with minecarts, I've played it to can't remember what it's called

Hoboman725

@Hoboman725: That was poorly worded. What the thing really does is that it's ubercharge target won't be invulnerable, but every shot will be a critical one.

But holy crap some of those achievements sound like a bitch to get.

Medical Breakthrough would require at least 3 enemy engineers in the same spot.

Sawbones: You try meleeing 10 times in a row without missing once or getting killed

Nirual

By my count at least 25 can be done with 3 players on a private server, pretty good setting up some of the more tricky ones.

Clushje

One tactic I want to see more of is the medic rush. A team of medics clusters around the CP in a mutual healing circle - victory through non-violent resistance!

MajorMcMuffin

Riokenn

What the hell some of these are insane.

Huxleyhobbes

Wait Goldrush isn't out? I played a map with that same exact scenario last night.

Clarke

a medic gun that fires crit rockets? i hope that's a typo or just explained wrong. medics are supposed to help their team, an achievement that'll encourage medics to ubercharge scouts instead of useful classes. do they even think these things through at all?

i like playing the game when the completely luck-based nature of the game happens to go my way and medic is my favourite class, i'd already have unlocked half these achievements by now if they were in the game. i also like the sound of the new map but valve are just complete idiots sometimes. a pyro can kill a medic in half a second except the times when it takes 10 of constant fire, a crit headshot kills instantly except when it doesn't, a wrench kills in one hit except when it kills in 5 etc. every valve game is the same and i don't know why they think anyone could enjoy having how well they do in the game dictated by random calculations rather than their own skill.

lordofsword

I really like the STEAM TF2 achievements, and I'm glad they're adding more... but without a point total assigned to them they're not as addictive as Xbox Achievements, IMO.

Still, TF2 is great, and the new map and Medic additions (my favorite class) will get me back in front of my PC.

itsburnsie

Ugh, another set of achievements I won't ever be able to complete because I don't have 10 steam friends.

Smeesh

Most of the achievements, are beyond most players patience (at least most non-medic players). Shall be interesting to see how long it will be before the weapons appear on a regular basis.

Flawless101

Damn.. some of those achievements are too difficult.. and a lot rely on other players :P

CockroachMan

Well this is gonna invole me making a server JUST to unlock those achievments. And anyone who doesnt behave gets da BANHAMMER.

Otacon91

This is totally awesome. I play TF2 almost every night and already enjoy playing the medic where appropriate, so this will make it so much the better.

And I thought I loved mowing people down with the bonesaw before!

the-hypnotoad

Nobody, quote, NOBODY will ever get the uber saw. Mostly because if you do manage most of them you'll never get the friend based ones as you won't have any.

dunnace

Cant wait for this update.

Zangetsu89

Ah...ah...ah...

When is this going live?! I must have it!

Rebochan

Wait, critical rockets? Since when was the medic a one-man army? >_>

Aethyr

Yikes! These achievements freak me out but I'll definitely be logging more hours as a Medic.

Ah but it will be a good time to be a Heavy after this patch.
WE MAKE GOOD TEAM!!

ServiceMaster

also... when do we get?

Flurp

@dethFLUX:
Getting ten thousand heal points in a single life isn't really that hard, if you're playing the medic conservatively and hanging back to buff / heal your whole team. it's the ones like blowing up eight structures with a demo man that'll be a challenge - though I guess you could just rush the third stage of dustbowl with an über and take out all the assorted crap engineers usually build in the first bottleneck.

BossHaole

Wow, some of these achievements look pretty hard.

PissedPS3Fan

this is.... ubercharged, with awesome

*smug*

I will actually want to play medic alot more now

Flurp

yes yes yes. gotta love this, any ideas when this is officially released? last i heard mid april - which is now.. can hardly wait.

zgnoud

Oh god... I can see it now:
Play Doctor: In a team with no Medics, be first to switch to Medic after a teammate calls medic and heal 500 health

Spy: Medic!
Team: BLEAUGH! Dead because I switched classes when I wasn't in spawn!
Engineer: A spy is sapping my sentry, teleporter, dispenser OH GOD A KNIFE IS IN MY NECK!
Intelligence: Byebye.
Team: Ok, I'm back. Who needs healing?

It will be glorious.

Ghede

@octoSink: I would advise you to look at some hunter forums. I got my orange box for 5 bucks and hellgate for 7 bucks and countless other games. Its old enough that people are selling their keys for less then 10 dollars.

Onto note, I am hoping this mode will bring it a familarity to Gold Rush in enemy territories.

Fyren

Damn that's a lot of achievements. Some seem a little too difficult, while others sound like they'll just happen on their own without trying.

Bluecell

wait...what? rapid fire crit rockets?

what happened to the medigun that permabuffed health to 200% but was very slow growing ubers?

Hoboman725

oh man some of those achievements are insane! how do they expect me to "Accumulate ten thousand heal points in a single life"?

dethFLUX

I think i should buy this game at lunch

octoSink

Trauma Queen is going to be a bi$#@ to get. Play Doctor sounds fun. Big Pharma sounds easy, but will actually be pretty hard. Who gets 30 kills in one life?

SwapMeet

@I can't think of a good name...: I don't know what this has to do with anything, so I'm wondering if this is some sorta bizarre trolling attempt. On the off-chance that it isn't, I have one word for you: "cockney."

Cathaoir

Hope this comes next week, new TF2 stuff would be great before I abandon it for GTAIV.

Tetelestia

I wonder just how difficult (and how long) it'll be to unlock all three? For those with little time/skill, it may be upsetting that they won't get to play with the new guns for quite awhile.

Idontloveyou

@Kyle81:
every class is going to be getting updates eventually...

anyway, some of these achievements seriously sound like hell to try and get.

nautnaut

@I can't think of a good name...: It's what we do.

Brine

@GustoGaiden:
It is. You should check out other sites, Kotaku's got a few typos and plain wrong info. The Crit medigun does not shoot crit rockets (for God's sake), it allows you to give 100% crit chance to someone for a short time.

benderbendingrodriguez

[www.computerandvideogames.com]

Has a much better write up of the weapons minus Kotaku's typos and incorrect information:

'You're awarded with The Critzcrieg after earning 24 of the achievements. This is a new medigun and uses its ubercharge "not for invulnerability, but to give its recipient 100% chance to fire critical ordinance."'

benderbendingrodriguez

Can't Americans stop raping my language?

I can't think of a good name...

(sniff)

Still miss the poison-pack feature from the TFC days. Nothing made the opposing team break down and cry - en route to capturing the flag, 'natch - than that.

Trai_Dep

I can't even begin to express the amount of excitement felt in my loins right now.

demonspawn2578

Releasing a bunch of new options for one class is lame. New maps yay.... one class getting a buff... not so much.

Kyle81

@Clarke: I was thinking the same thing. I played this map/mode already. Maybe its console version or maybe this one is put out by Valve and the other one we had played wasn't?

drywaller79

Afaik, this is sofar only slated for a PC release. So it won't work on PS3.

Estel

Why was I doing my taxes last night instead of drinking my blues away in the Mission as usual!?!

pickleprince

HUGH TF2 fan here, I'm really excited about gold rush... the achievements on the other hand? Not so much. Valve has done an awesome job with class balance, I hope this doesn't screw everything up.

GrassJelly

Okay...those achievement are Uber hard.

fdisk

@Stevedroid: I wouldn't be too worried. Remember back in the day when they had plans for another type of medi-gun? Seems like when they added it into play, they realized that it unbalanced the game. I trust that Valve has spent a hell of a lot of time playtesting to make sure that it doesn't screw up the game's mechanics. And is it really that bad if this encourages more people to go Medic? I hate being the only Medic on a 15 man team.

This sounds awesome and I cannot wait for it. I've just got my fingers crossed that this can see if we've already achieved stuff because I've already done at least 1/3 of it, including some of the harder ones.

hrunting

Jesus christ that looks like a hard %100 to earn. I hope they introduce a system like this to the other classes though or else I could see everyone rushing to get the ubersaw and just uberrush everything all day.

Otacon91

@I can't think of a good name...: Please direct me to the language store, I'd like to purchase one for myself.

Huxleyhobbes

Some of these achievements look really tough to earn.

I just want that ubersaw so so bad.

Dontdrop

@SwapMeet: Mumblyfish (one of the Penny Arcade community players) and I would've managed to get the Big Pharma achievement had it been available a few months ago. But then Mumblyfish is a godly medic...

Cathaoir

@Furious_Liver: Yeah, it's only been once... :P

I hope they have some fun achievements for the heavy 'cause you'd better believe I'll be trying to get all of 'em - no matter how ridiculous.

Also, nicely done on the sniper kills.

Cathaoir

@Cathaoir: Hah, you'd be one of the few mate. And plus, how many times have you done that? Probably one to three times, at the most. Its very, very difficult to achieve because of the fact that you cannot die the whole time you're healing that heavy. You sure love the heavy though, hehe. Can't wait to see what they're gonna do for him.

Personal best kills for heavy was 26 for me. [steamcommunity.com]

Furious_Liver

@Furious_Liver: Hi. I'm a heavy who has had 33 kills in one life. See? [steamcommunity.com]

Cathaoir

The new weapons sound awesome!

But they don't sound balanced, and many of the achievements that you have to complete to unlock them look almost impossible to get without staging them with your friends/clan.

Fortunately, locked weapons can probably be turned off, so if you don't like them, you can find a server without them.

BossMonk

I look forward to entire clans and servers being dedicated solely to unlock all of this.

The_Phiphler

@Idontloveyou: Thanks to achievements such as "Big Pharma," probably 1% or less of the Steam community will have all three items. I don't know a single heavy who has had 30 kills in one life. Chances of someone actually achieving it and you staying alive and healing him the whole game? High, assuming you cheat. Otherwise, ain't happenin'.

@I can't think of a good name...: I'll assume you mean German. XD

@VixDiesel: I don't think you'll ever have to worry about that.

Furious_Liver

I also hope they can do some pretty interesting stuff for the other, less varied classes... sure, with Medics, Engineers, even Demomen, I can see some great achievements... but scouts, pyros, soldiers, etc? Apart from "kill a lot of dudes," I hope they can come up with something original

Scorpi

Some of those achievements are awesome - I can imagine a lot of servers being devoted just to getting all the achievements.
I have a few nagging questions, though... will achievements work retroactively? Will someone who's been playing Medic since Orange Box first came out already have half of these? I hope so, it's only fair, and the game does keep track of a lot of records...
Also, are engineers useless on the offensive team in Goldrush or what?

Scorpi

@Scorpi: Engineers are always useless for the attacker...because it makes the team pussy foot around actually attacking and always pull back to the sentry/dispenser.

I can see these achievements causing a bit of grief when medics try to get them, rather than heal...

Vodun

@Cathaoir: XD Thanks, but that was a time when I mained Sniper. He is one of my least favorite classes now, and I only use him for no-scope fights or to melee people. But I'd be lucky if I can get 10 in a row without dying now. I main Spy, Pyro, and Scout now. :D

As for heavy achievements...

I Crush Coward Toys!: Punch a level 3 sentry and destroy it without the assistance of a medic.

I Spy With My Little Eye!: Punch a spy and send his ragdoll 20 feet or above away.

Engineer Is Credit To Team!: Fire 5,000 rounds in one life.

Hmmm...as for the items... They could make a Minigun with half the ammo but with no speed reduction...but then again I think almost everyone would prefer that over the default one...

They could make one with no crits but 300 ammo! That might be interesting. Perhaps a little rigged on no crit servers. XD

They could make the fists do less damage but send the enemy back with each hit...Sending enemies into your teams Sentry will make for some very interesting assists.

...And as for the shotgun, I'd rather them just release two upgrades for the minigun. But if they had to do something with the shotgun, they could lessen the amount of ammo it can hold in a clip/altogether or remove crits/lower damage to make it so that each successive shotgun hit gives you Minigun ammo. That'd make it pretty interesting...

Furious_Liver

But.... but.... Wh-what about Xbox?

Valve?

Hello?

Elite Wombat

@Pezdispenser: sounds right, I remember getting run over by a cart

Hoboman725

Also worth keeping in mind - a lot of these achievements look really difficult, yes, but once you've got one of the new weapons they'll become increasingly easy - and practical.

Given the firing rate, if you have the Critzcreig, ubering a Scout actually becomes reasonably practical. Similarly, given the way Engies set up on the second point, second stage of Dustbowl, those eight destructs won't be quite so hard - especially if some well-placed crit stickies will do the job.

They're difficult, but they need to be - otherwise the game balance would be ruined. You'll maybe find one game in a hundred in which anyone at all has the Ubersaw - and that's the way it should be.

Achenar

@Furious_Liver: How about "Who Touched My Gun?! - Kill opposing team player who took your gun after your most recent death."

Cathaoir

@Stevedroid: What, you mean like how someone who plays WoW obsessively would have much better weapons and armor than a casual player, and thus would trounce them in PvP? Any game that doesn't reward you for playing more, especially online and multiplayer, would look very out of place.

Also, I think at least as many people would be complaining if the acheivements were easy rather than hard. Even in this thread there have been "I would have half of these already" and "lol happens without trying" comments admidst the admitedly more common "ach! to hard, no one will ever make it!" types. Clearly not only can they not please everybody, it appears difficult to please anyone at all.

icelight

@Furious_Liver: I think a mini-gun that doesn't crit but gives back ammo for hits might be interesting - kinda like the syringe gun modification for the medic. And I do like the shotgun for mini-gun ammo idea.

I hope all of the heavy achievements end with an exclamation mark!:D

Cathaoir

@Dangeresque: I know Gundam is dirty but I love 00: if they spit on 360 owners, they piss on PS3 owners. And splooge on Mac owners.

Originally, he was whining about how "stupid" a technology direction that Intel's dual-core CPUs was - whining that it was a waste to bother to learn how to support it.

While I'm in awe of TF2 & HF2, Gabe's a lazy scoundrel for not rolling up his (well, his development teams') sleeves, getting off the pot and not writing for only one freaken architecture. And dumb, since beating the learning curve on these would be an investment for future efforts.

Awesome upcoming update, though. Don't get me wrong. Just wish they were less myopic.

Trai_Dep

@Vodun: Right....Or they create a teleporter that changes the entire tide of the fight. Or a sentry thats positioned in a spot that makes it difficult for the enemy to even come out of their base, cornering them. People will "pussyfoot" to the nearest health pack anyway, so it makes little difference when it comes to retreating.

Furious_Liver

To hell with a job, school, a social life.

Must get all achievements.

robbie158

Okay, this post won't be complete without this two Penny Arcade strips:

[www.penny-arcade.com]

[www.penny-arcade.com]

Barts

A bit of help please.

These achievements unlock bonuses that, once unlocked last until you die? Until you log out of that server? Quit TF2? Until you log out of Steam?

Or they're yours for ever & ever, once you get them?

Trai_Dep

man, those achievements are crazy

Sturm Truppen

@Elite Wombat: ...This is hard for me to explain, but... well, Valve doesn't love us. They spit on us.

And also, they would have to change some of the achievements if they brought it to 360, to accomodate the lower player cap on servers. Otherwise, it literally will be impossible with some of these.

I understand wanting to make these tricky to get, but some of these are just stupid hard, Valve. Be fair, please. ...And give Spy new toys next.

Dangeresque: I know Gundam is dirty but I love 00

@Elite Wombat: What about it?

Brine

The majority of those achievements are ridiculous.

TK423

@Cathaoir: That would be a badass achievement, as long as they make it so that that person HAS to be the first one you go after.

RUN, COWARDS!: Cause all opposing team members to run away from you.

HIDE, COWARDS!: Cause all opposing team members to stay crouching near a wall.

SO MUCH BLOOD!: Deal 10,000 damage in one life.

DUN DUN DUN DUUUUN DUUUUN! DUN DUN DUN DUUUN COME SING WITH ME, DUN DUN DUN DUUUUN DUUUUN!: Cause at least two heavies to sing with you.

And yes, they all must end with exclamation points. XD

Furious_Liver

I hope those achievements don't make it to the 360. It would really screw up the gameplay.

RiotPig

these...look...impossible. looks like i'll have to play a lot more medic...

geekgrrl

crap. I played medic because it was the right thing to do. Now the market's going to be saturated. :-(

leadingZer0

Well, this is great and all, but when do I get upgrades? How long are we talking about waiting before the next class gets a boost? Is it going to be 2 years from now before there's finally upgrades for every class?

Comatose Turtle

I am very upset at Valve's German. Blutauger (I've also seen Blutsaugher) should Blutsauger, as in Blut (Blood) Sauger (sucker). Critzcrieg should be Critz (not a real word, a play on Blitz which is lightning), and Krieg (war).

I am so disappointed in you Valve, yet I will still play.

sugardeath

I don't know about the new weapons. The medic is already a pretty volatile fighter if used correctly. Hell, I once took out 3 people on the catwalk of 2fort with the bonesaw and made it back to my base with health to spare.

Athest

So... Autopsy Report, they're giving achievements for teabag evidence?

Nice. [/sarcasm]

Evil Tortie's Mom

Just a heads-up: Engineers might be getting some love in the next update too, in the form of upgradeable teleporters and dispensers!

[www.maximumpc.com]

Acererak

@Ghede: You do know that you in fact CAN take guns, right? Picking up an enemy's gun gives you more ammo for your own guns. It also gives you more metal if you're an engineer.

Cathaoir

@Ghede: You can pick up weapons left by dead players to replenish ammo or metal. It can be pretty helpful if you think about it and know to do it.

Konatsu

Hm. A new Syringe Gun. It still doesn't sound all that great to me seeing as the thing is a little difficult to hit with as it is.

Then again, you can hit people over walls and such. It really is a versatile weapon... I need to stop playing so much Brawl online and play more TF2. When this patch actually comes out for everybody, I probably will.

Konatsu

I hope this whole "New weapons for pros thing" doesn't unbalance the game.
A medigun that shoots rockets?
Too late.

TheCleaningGuy

@Cathaoir: You can't take guns in TF2. That is all.

Ghede

this will probably be slow to 360 because microsoft frowns on achievements unlocking things or giving you a competitive bonus in the game you earn them

DaoKaioshin

@icelight:
Yes. When did I say I wouldn't apply the same gripe to other games? In fact I despise MMOs for much that reason. They're explicitly made to be time sinks and reward players who keep sending in their subscription every month.

I'd argue that there's no such thing as a casual PvP player for that reason - it'd be futile.

I don't know what you mean by any game that doesn't reward you for playing obsessively would be out of place. We're talking about a competitive action game here, not an RPG. With the exception of Call of Duty 4, every other MP action game I know of puts their players on equal footing.

Obviously yes there are large skill differences between players, but at least your on equal grounds in terms of equipment and features available to you. I mean with these changes you're giving an advantage to the players who are already more skilled than others.

I'm all for getting more people to play medic, but imagine this same concept applied to other classes. Yes a casual player is going to get their butt kicked regardless, but at least before they had access to the same tools as everyone else. Now not only do they get their butt kicked, but the miss out on getting to play around with the new content.

Stevedroid

Hopefully they can pass on the love to us console players. I already have it for the 360 and would love to get TF2 for the PC but my PC is 6 years old and hasn't had any real upgrades (other than an added 160gb hard drive and upgrading the video card a while back from a 32mb one to a 128mb GeForce 5200). Here's to hoping for it coming to the 360.

CyberG4

Wow, sounds interesting. I do hope the Critzcrieg does indeed make your target fire criticals, and not yourself. Critzcrieg'd Heavys and Pyros ftw.

As for the achievements, sounds like fun - but some are just way too situational to ever occur on a normal basis. It wouldn't surprise me if people just joined empty servers with friends to coordinate to get them - which is pretty lame, but I wouldn't blame them.

PepsiPerfect

@chibixleon: I imagine the achievements based on stat tracking (10 million heal points) will be retroactive, but "one off" achievements will not.

Brine

As a console player, I'm showing Valve the glue finger.

Billkwando

If these achievements are not retroactive it's going to be incredibly depressing picking up my medic again to reaccomplish some impressive feats such as 10k healing in one life and defending CPs with an ubered teammate.

chibixleon

As a console player, I'm giving Valve the glue finger.

Billkwando

So. Much. Complaining.

Good lord, this is why you should take these comment threads seriously.

DrFresh

@Dreavus: As someone who only plans on getting 1/3rd of the achievements, I look forward to an abundance of medics.

Furious_Liver

dang, no one is gonna be getting that Ubersaw for a long while

Kiri Komori

anyone else feel like these achievements are just going to make everyone play medic? They should consider doing this for at least a couple classes at once...

Dreavus

@PepsiPerfect: Yeah, it does. Instead of you and your target being invulnerable, your target just crits every time for 10 seconds.

Brine

For some perspective, I know some Medics that have played 100-200 hours and have still not reached 10,000,000 points healed.

Hostile

@Comatose Turtle:
I think valve wants to see how the upgrade affects the class balance and the server ping... and if is a good business decision they will release the additional achievements to the other classes in time for Xmas

bunch.of.wackos

mmmmmm critical rockets... talk about unbalanced character .... I want to see what additional weapons will be given to the demoman and heavy in the next updates

bunch.of.wackos

I never like the ones that require steam friends, I've only got about 7 friends who bought the game and only 2 of those still play. Still sounds like fun, cant wait.

Monkeez

2 Medics with Ubersaw + vanilla Ubergun = infinite Uber

\o/

Type-R

I am estatic, and yet sad. Estatic, because 90% of these achievements will be very, very easy for me to get with my playing style.

Sad, because I'm STILL waiting on my new computer and this only reminds me that it's been 2 months, 16 days, and 7 hours since I last played Team Fortress 2.

I mean, I'm starting to wonder if it's *me* growing crazy and not just the rest of the world.

Here's an example. Today, I noticed I was being followed by some random guy, so I did the only logical thing; quickly turned around and punched him in the gut. And he actually got MAD. He didn't even listen to my explanation. ("Hey, I was only spychecking!") And in his defense, it's kind of lame that whatever admin is running IRL has friendly fire turned on. Kind of messed up, if you ask me.

That, and I can't remember the last time I saw an engineer. Might just need to empty my trunk of the scrap metal I've been collecting. Speaking of which, I can't REMEMBER the last time I saw anyone in uniform, or at least wearing just red or blue!

Maybe the whole damn world's gone crazy, and it's not the withdrawal everyone tells me about. Spies, the lot of them probably.

God help me.

Send medics.

Defenestration

This sounds so sweet, have they talked pricing yet or did I miss that post?

ThatsMrOffDutyNinja

@Stevedroid:
I'm going to have to say I have no idea where you're coming from based on these achievements. Without getting into the arguement of time invested is proportional to reward in gaming, the grand majority of these achievements have little to do with time invested.

Quadruple Bypass, Double Blind Trial, Preventative Medicine, Surgical Prep, Midwife Crisis and etc are all things that should or happen with proper coordination via voice chat or just during the course of normal solo play.

First Do No Harm, Intern, Specialist, Triage, Placebo Effect, Sawbones, and etc are all individual skill based. I suppose you could make the arguement that you need time playing to go from sucking to the appropriate amount of skill required to hit them, but at the same time that's true of ANYTHING whether it be Team Fortress or writing research papers or playing baseball or building skyscrapers. The only way to get better at something is to do it.

The rest of them are things that you will have to work out over time, yes, but there's entirely reasonable. We're not talking raiding Molten Core for 4 hours every day for a year to get your tier 1. I know I've killed at least 50 scouts with since the game was out, and I heal on average good run close to 7K a life.

Play for 10 hours a week for a month and I'll bet you have close to half of them.

Defenestration

If I'm not mistaken, Valve mentioned that they wanted it to be free on consoles as well at one point, but it would be awhile. I wouldn't be suprised if the console patch didn't come until after they added achievements for all the rest of the classes.

Defenestration

@ThatsMrOffDutyNinja: 100% free...however I assume you mean the console version. In which case...I'd be surprised if you guys receive this update anytime soon.

Furious_Liver

@dethFLUX: thats one of the easy ones.

Armagetiton

@ThatsMrOffDutyNinja:
Its comments like these that make me wonder why the PC market isn't full of bullshit DLC yet.

fumar

@Furious_Liver:Its not that hard to get 30 heavy kills, just make sure you have a good sniper on your team. Also, playing on 32 man servers helps a lot since the quality of players there is much lower. See I got 30+ kills with heavy: [steamcommunity.com]

fumar

HOly smokes some of them are completeley insane!

derFeef

Can some one explain this to me, is this the PC version or the 360 Version of TF2. Hope tis the 360.

lost_in_hollywood

Those achievements look pretty difficult. They're going to require an insane amount of communication and cooperation. My verdict: Awesome.

Bremen142

yes im glad the achievements are atleast difficult to get. Only thing that sucks is theres gonna be a billion people jumping to be medic who will suck at it, and the only thing worse then a bad Medic is a bad scout/sniper.

Detre

Those are some sick achievements, I'd be lucky to even get the 12 needed for the first gun.

Jilkon

holy shit. some of those are really tough.

10 bonesaw hits, no misses?
4 kill assists on an uber-scout?
4 kills assists on a melee uber-heavy?

blah, I better get cracking.

iguelmay

If you're OCD, a lot of these achievements will take a few friends and 30 minutes on a self made server.

The new syringe gun is incredibly easy to unlock. The crit medigun is fairly easily achievable in short order (though I can't see using it much myself) especially with a batch of folks determined to help each other. The Ubersaw... now that one will actually be a bit of an achievement since no matter how you slice it... 10 million healing points is gonna take a while. :)

What is a man?

I noticed that the article didn't mention any news for the 360 version...(broken record time), what a surprise!

Annex1

@Hostile: I'm going to call Shenanigans. When I play medic I get about 20,000 heal points per map, easy. that means 5 games is a million heal points. So we'll say 50 games playing primarily as medic. Lets say an average game takes 30 minutes. Multiplied out, that makes 25 hours of medic time to get the achievement, give or take. If you've played for 100 hours and don't have 10 million heal points, you're doing it wrong.

GustoGaiden

*sighs* april 20th is too far away =/

KreacherOfBloodandRank

@GustoGaiden: In your description, does map = game? Because 5 games at 20,000 points apiece is only 100,000 points.

Brine

oops, you're right. looks like I missed that zero. by my watch thats 250 hours of medic time then. that sounds a bit high though...

GustoGaiden

I thought the upgrades would make Medic overpowered, but if any player gets them, he deserves it.

Jonn

Holy Crap!
This Means:
5 Classes X Approx 32 Achievements Ea = 160
+ Current Acheievements
+ General Achievements
= Aprox 220 Acheivements!

joshguy

Any news on when the 360 gets it?

DeanoTheDino

@Furious_Liver: That's not the experience I've had. Every time I'm on the attacking team and we're having good steam pushing along, as soon as some engineer builds up a forward base it all comes to a halt. But I guess your infinite wisdom voids my experiences...apologies great one.

Vodun

@octoSink: They have Intern and Specialist but, they've forgotten to add achievement:

Medical Resident: Play for 36 hours without logging off.

RyoSaeba

They forgot to add Achievement:
Resident: Play for 36 hours straight without logging off.

RyoSaeba

WoW, they've figured out a way to add grinding for better gear... to TF2. Thanks Valve :-p

I plan on getting these the honest way, but I imagine there are going to be a lot of private servers going up in the next few weeks for clans to cheat these out.

evilpenguin81