Sounds like fun. But there's one thing that's bugging me and I don't mean to be a dick about it...

It's affect not effect.

Sorry. I'll stop now.

Meuacan

Been playing the beta for a week now, it's pretty interesting. I think they need to tweak the gun damage just a bit, because there are moments when people are running at me and are able to knife me.

exkon

@illmatic291: Why has this troll not been banned yet? Take a look at his comments thus far...

duckmouth

i played it a bit...it's alright...but then again, i'm still hooked of bf2 for the pc....and console fps' don't really engorge my epenis much...

grab a copy of BF2 for the pc for like 9 bucks at wally-world Crencete and you too can join the awesomest ingame squad - Futureboys! w00t lol

drlard

I've tried playing the beta at least 5 times and I never even get through a round. It seems slugish, slow and ridiculously unbalanced to me but maybe I'm just doing something wrong, I dunno.

Gray665

@PresDNA: You know, I tried the demo for that one. I thought the opening cinematic was brilliant and engaging. However, I found the gameplay severely underwhelming, but I only played it for 10 minutes, tops.

Then again, I've found that occasionally I'll be unimpressed by a demo, but an encounter with the full game will completely change my mind. Anyway, I'll give it a rental.

kelptocratic

sucks to see that Battlefield games are now being made in mind for console gamers..at least, it seems that way

zombieistired

@kelptocratic: If you liked that Mod then give Frontlines Fuel of War a try.

It was developed by the the Former Team Trauma who got hired then left EA to form KAOS Studios.

It came out last month and is pretty fun..

It plays like a BF game but it adds deadly Radio controlled machines full of C4 or Mortars that fly or zoom under tanks.

Best of all No Micro Transactions

PresDNA

@Zaid: Falls have been fixed to take less damage from shorter falls already.

I play support all the time. It's overpowered at the moment. I use one of the unlockable LAR's and don't have a problem in firefights, plus I can heal myself/teammates/fix vehicles/and call in mortar strikes.

whiptcracker

@Kyle81:
idk bf2 felt/feels spot on to me.maybe its the mouse but i mostly do fps now on consoles and man is bfbc bad at the shooting.

oh i forgot to add helis are fun =)
support+ good pilot skills=entire match without dying in heli.

Truepatriot

It's worth noting that this game is supposed to have a full single player story - not like your average Battlefield. So factor that into your $60.

doc_rob

Damn it's nice seeing so many people are taking a stand with this game. My plan is to keep playing the beta a lot and then I wont even need to play the full game. ;)

liquid_kore

So...did they fix the insane fall damage? You can go up ladders, but theres no way of coming down without taking 1/4 of your health away in fall damamge...at least give me a parachute like in BF2: Modern Combat.

...and since theres no health crates and the support classes aren't played as much (since their huge ass guns do less damage than an SMG in this game), theres really no way of recovering health if you're a sniper or a specialist that doesn't get a health injection as a gadget.

Did I mention the reticle moves way to slow, even if you dial the sensitivity up to max? Why can't I trail a running guy when I'm not even using the iron sights?

...and don't get me started on "unlockables". A very poor COD4 copy attempt, but with the actual things that made the BF2 classes in the previous games worth while. No laser target for the sniper? No land mines for the heavy weapons? Thats absurd.

Zaid

Battlefield on consoles = Failure

It's just one of those games that just plays better on PC. Kind of like how guitar hero and racing games feel better on consoles, this is one shooter franchise really meant for PC players.

Covert_Knight

I thought it was alright, but nothing I'd spend $60 on. It's a rent or a buy at a reduced price, unless the single player is actually good, then I may buy it.

HaydenTenno

I have not missed a single battlefield, and not going to miss this one. I will not support thier DLC tho.

boots555

If I worked my ass to build a game.. like that one, whould I think that 60$ is enough for my work, or overpriced? I guess that the reasonable price is the one that gives me the most profits anyway...

Wyld

@Itchy (PSN: Kaizoku-ou): ...GET HIM!!!

T6Spades

I'll wait for Battlefield 3. :)

-MoarPlz-

@liquid_kore: Gotcha. I probably should have gleaned that from the picture.

Which reminds me, that Desert Combat mod for 1942 was all kinds of fun.

I think I enjoyed that one most out of all of them. Then again, I stopped buying them when they gimped the singleplayer in BF:2.

kelptocratic

@Truepatriot: Yea thats Battlefield for you. Ppl have lots of health and soak up a ton of bullets

Kyle81

Fun or not, it's a precedent setter in terms of microtransactions that have the potential to affect the core game mechanics.

I'm not buying or renting it and am boycotting EA games until they abandon this latest attempt to nickle-and-dime us all to death.

DaPress

my one big issue with the beta is to me the shooting is broken.being an fps the shooting should be spot on but it feels like im always just spraying everywhere and the enemy has a ton of health.maybe ive played to much cod4 hardcore but the aiming just isnt precise with anything but a sniper rifle.the iron sites are way to zoomed in with assault weapons.the special ops guns all line up on the right side of the screen when zoomed in and light machine guns are too wild.shotguns are just about right though.it is a fun game but im not gonna buy it mostly because i dont support eas need to rip off its customers at every chance they get.

Truepatriot

I have IGN Insider, if someone tells me how I can get the code I'll give it to ya cause I traded my 360 in

illmatic291

Also in Battlefield and completely agree. My own impressions are up on another site (wont add for Spam fear) but they're pretty much the same. There's still some balance issues they need to fix, but otherwise the more I play the damn game the more I want to play it even though the DLC thing pisses me off.

whiptcracker

@kelptocratic: It's a modern era game. Although the actual "Modern Combat" game seemed to have more high tech equipment than this one.

I don't think that Goldrush will be the only game type but it seems like they want to focus on that the most and it is also then only type in the beta.

liquid_kore

What is your Gamertag kotaku article author

TheTime

"WTF! That's insane, it's fun, but $60?"
My exact feelings for 90% of the games that come out.

t0yrobo

Huh. What's the "war era," so to speak?

Is it like BF:1942 with gold instead of flags, BF:Vietnam with gold instead of flags, or BF:2142 with gold instead of flags?

Also, I don't know if I'm remembering it wrong, but a trailer for this game I saw way back when certainly seemed to insinuate that it had some sort of singleplayer campaign or some such.

kelptocratic

LONG LIVE MODERN COMBAT

illmatic291

Oh if you love $60 You will enjoy having to pay more for weapons and Xbox Live. Also good luck with EA's crappy servers & not getting the RRoD from over heating.

illmatic291

Well, just like Gran Turismo Prologue, let's vote with our dollars, or lack thereof. I would hope that people don't support these types of microtransactions, especially when they have a significant bearing on the gameplay.

Spoony Bard

I seem to be playing it alot but not completely enjoying it. The game seems unbalanced (of course it is the beta so maybe it will be fixed). The artillery makes defending annoying, the defenders are equipped with a few anti vehicle turrets but they are gone within seconds due to the artillery. Haven't actually used the artillery though since its such a race to get to it first then everyone starts team killing for about 2 minutes because they wanted to use it.

liquid_kore

PR filter: bravo to EA for ever pushing the boundaries of downloaded content possibilities.

Datheron

I played this twice last week and lost interest. plus only one multi-player mode is pretty weak.

Gadgetron

Love EA hate Battlefield!

Wait...

Itchy (PSN: Kaizoku-ou)

Love Battlefield hate EA!

ninjapirate2000

Charging for content on that ships with the game at full price is stupid. It also isn't that great of a game when held against other online shooters on the 360.

Grey_Fox

I have both Battlfield 2 and 2142 installed on my PC, and am fighting the urge to buy this.

Dear EA,
Whenever you are done with your two microtransaction experiments, please give the PC a nice destructable enviroment incarnation of the BF franchise sans aformentioned microtransactions, with whichever art style that you see fit.

Thx.

Cruz

@TheTime: You're kind of new, so I'll point this out gently ... the "kotaku article author" pretty much IS Kotaku -- the creator of the tower the other Kotaku gods dwell within, and which we minions gather around ;)

I love these kind of games, but the extra payment for extra weapons kind of irks me. What's next, RPGs where you pay extra for more spells? Ick. I've been enjoying Frontline, though ... all the maps are very different and different tactics must be employed for players to be sucessful. Single-player is pretty short, though ... and no co-op :(

jayntampa

Honestly, I've been loving this game since I got into the Beta. Something about it just feels fresh and fun. I'll probably pick up to play over the summer.

jihadjoe343

@nxp3: I'd venture a guess that's it's the latter of the two.

kelptocratic

@Atheist Jew: People were too distracted by the graphics.

uranutan

Yeha...Sawing through trees, destructible environments?

Did Crysis receive such praise for having those features? It should have.

Atheist Jew

I dont' know...seem people are hypocrites or we on the forum are a very, very small percentage of gamers. I hear people saying how they are not going to buy this and that from EA but when the numbers comes out, EA is doing pretty damn good. Now people are saying, "I'm not going to buy Battlefield Bad Company because they are nickel and diming us. Well people do what you are going to say. Don't buy EA until they change their ways, because they are doing that to every damn game now. Look at Madden, they are charging 60 bucks just to update player stats. Not to mention they are charging a buck to download cars for need for speed. What else....what else are you going to put up with!!! Screw EA.

nxp3

I am a huge BF fan. But I have absolutelly no idea where to go. I have a gift of BF2, and is a really fun game, so maybe I will stuck with it. I played BF2142, and is interesting, but the "copters" are gimped for newbies. I used to love Galactic Conquest and Desert Combat, but graphics are too old nowdays. I may test that Frontier thingie (theres a demo?), or maybe this bad company thing (theres a demo?).

tei

wicked stoked for this game,

however.. compared to bf2 for pc this is going to feel gimped, fps games without mouse and keyboard is like running a marathon with no feet, sure some people can do it, and are actually really good at it, but it's just not the same. ( probably the reason i didnt like BF:MC )

that aside, ill still play it, ill still love it, but for the love of t-rex robots, add some effing kb&m support. ( and seperate servers for the controller users so they don't whine about being owned by kb&m users )

ps. EA can eat a dick, quit the dlc shenanigans.

ungivenglory

HUGE Battlefield fan, but this just aint' doing it for me. Player controls are very loose and maps are pretty Battlefield 1942 quality. I want the mechanics of CoD4 with the vehicles in Battlefield.

PownerOfNewbs

Long time player of bf from pc to console but for me frontlines fuel of war shows it how it should be done.

Goemon

Despite the whole Downloadable content flamewar that's going on in the interwebs, I think this game is incredibly fun. It's got a huge amount of depth in it's gameplay mechanics, a heavy dose of skill is needed to do things, and it just feels fun. If Battlefield is about making you feel like your in a giant battle, this is a success story.

Definitely a purchase in my book

WolfofWar

@txshurricane: Sniping is some fun, but it didn't feel that different to me.

Brian Crecente

The problem with the Battlefield series is that the ground combat (FPS) component of it has always been sketchy. It never feels right, like your floating around clipping. I had always wished they could release an engine that would combine the FPS components of a game like COD, with the wider vehicle based combat of BF. But it doesn't seem like thats ever going to happen unfortunately.

slowreader

I love the sniping aspect of BF:BC, but everything else is pretty much BLAH.

txshurricane

@4sparta: thanks for the impressions. That was actually very helpful. I'm looking forward to the game, but I've never played any BF games -- I really have no idea what to expect.

MisterSleep

The Sarcastic Gamer guys are gonna be pretty ticked with you guys for liking the beta so much:P. But yeah I agree, the beta looks really darn sweet but I too am not thrilled that you have to pay for the weapons for a game that costs $60! maybe EA will back down and change their mind....but then again they're a greedy company, they keep pestering 2K because they want some of their GTA money:P

weeoo

No BS impressions from a guy who's played it for at least an hour every day:
(these are opinions from a BETA, I know some of these features will change...)
The Bad:
-Classes are unbalanced. The only two that you really need are the support and the sniper class. The support class can heal himself/others AND repair vehicles while the sniper dominates long range with the rifle, short range with an overpowered pistol, and vehicles with a target designator. If you upgrade these two classes to their fullest there is no need to use the other three (unless you like blowing up walls, which we all do)
-Bullet spray is annoying. Or at least different enough from CoD4 that it makes me wish I had the latter again. Some weapons are downright annoying to shoot (assault rifle) with zoomed in (iron sights). The sights are bulky and get in the way, and the targeting is not sensitive enough.
-Vehicle handling is touchy and sometimes downright frustrating. It's all good until you get to any kind of incline or solid object (like a supposedly destructible wall) and have your several ton tank thrust into the air, sometimes being unrecoverable. A tank should blast through a wall no problem (they do in the movies right?) so I shouldn't have to spend the next 30 seconds backing up. And by that time I've already been zeroed in by 3 snipers so it doesn't matter anyway...
-Vehicle targeting is another thing that gets me. I don't like having to compensate my aiming for my movement (i.e. turning the turret while I turn the vehicle the opposite way). I realize it's realistic, but it causes problems with the above point about inclines because if you go over one the aim is thrown completely off. Halo has ALWAYS gotten it right with vehicle aiming that compensates for your turning. C'mon, it's the 21st century, I'm sure tanks can compensate for turning now adays...

The Good:
-Sniping. It feels so realistic. You really have to lead someone to get them. Oddly satisfying (in a non-creepy kind of way...)
-Destruction = Awesome. Although not universal, it's still freakin' sweet to see a shell zoom over your head and destroy the wall directly ahead of you, raining bits of the now destroyed wall all around. Adds a level of immersion we've been longing for in this generation
-Speaking of immersion, the sound is incredible in this game. I highly recommend you try it with a surround system, the different environmental and weapons sounds really do add to the fun
-Destroying the gold is a lot more interesting than capturing flags, and the fact that the battlefield extends to only hold two at a time really focus the action (instead of the age old frustration of having flags captured behind your back)
-Out of time, or I would list more good things

4sparta

Personally, my vote goes towards the Lemon Chicken.

Tyber_Zann

honestly, it's fun. blow stuff up, get in a tank and do ridiculous things. yes. but, it's too arcade not enough sim for my tastes in a shooter. not saying CoD or CS are actual sims, but they're more sim than battlefield. if that makes sense.

3inst3in

@artistpavel: oh yea, more than I thought: [image.com.com]

artistpavel

I pre-ordered this bitch cause I have a huge hard-on for Battlefield games, but I still haven't gotten my email for the beta code. It IS a email, right? If not those negroes at GameStop lied to my ass.

Thassodar

Besides destructible environments, do graphics look current-gen enough, compared to 2005 BF2 on full specs?

artistpavel

I got Frontlines, and was not going to get Bad Company but wait for BF3. Frontlines for all it's goodness just doesn't seem as polished and as fun as Bf2142 to me.

Bad company I'll probably get for the pc and not for console based on the fact Frontlines doesn't seem like it's going to live up to a BF.

@tei: Gimped for newbs? They are realistically more controllable based on the propulsion system and they also have more effective countermeasures. Not sure what you mean? I find the air vehicles both realistically futuristic and better balanced than Bf2 in 2142, but this may be just due to my experience with them.

Ehardergardens

@Thassodar: You had to be one of the first 5000 to preorder it, I preordered back in December and almost didn't get my code but I stated my situation(complained) to the GM of the GameStop website, the email can be found after going through some crappy poll thing about their stores, and I got my beta code the next day. You just have to give them your Receipt # and they'll figure out if you were one of the first 5000 or not.

TheExiledLeader

@Thassodar: was that comment really nescessary?

excel_excel

@Odie20XX:
Actually if you look closer, you'll see a blue dot over all your teammates and green dots over your squad leaders that you can even see through walls and hills. And when an enemy is firing his weapon or riding a vehicle you'll see a orange/redish dot on the screen showing his location.

Nydrin

@Nydrin: When I first started I didnt know the Green guys were your own team and the names pop up on your own team and the enemies team as well.

Does anyone else with the beta have it freeze sometimes at the end of a round?

TheExiledLeader

@Nydrin:
Unfortunately they pop up after a second of having your crosshair over them which could mean you're dead before you even knew he wasn't on your team.

Odie20XX

@Odie20XX:
The nametags over your teammates weren't enough of an indicator?

Nydrin

I'm having a lot of fun playing the beta as well. I had the same exact feelings actually. When I first loaded it up it felt like same old battlefield. After a few games I found myself really liking it. As you unlock more items you start to feel the differences a lot more. The destructible environments also really impact the gameplay more than I thought it would. The weapons and health system also feel pretty refreshing in the age of regen health every other game is using nowadays. All in all I think I want to buy the game as well. The DLC weapons are really stupid though, it doesn't mess up the gameplay but it does make you feel cheated.

Nydrin

The Battlefield franchise has only gone downhill for my tastes. Loved 1942, 2 was okay, 2142 meh and I've tried this beta but I couldn't even figure out which guys were on my team and which ones weren't. Add the frustration you get when you get shot all the time without even knowing where it's coming from and you'll understand why I stopped playing after 2 rounds (okay, I just suck but a shooter should be fun for everyone; beginner and pro)

I've installed Frontlines on my laptop and this is a shooter that fits my tastes a lot more. Not to shoot BF:BC down, just my two cents here ;)

Odie20XX

@artistpavel: Yes, but that's not what you'll probably see when you play the game. The in game (meaning gameplay) animations are what is probably most important in making it feel like a big step up for me.

You've seen stills from UT3 and GOW (and even Quake Wars) and the ingame animations instantly break the realism that the textures and models have attained(for me anyways). They still mostly move like a last gen game.
COD4 and the stuff shown from Killzone2 are probably the best realistic animations (the strength is in animation transition states). They really push the feel of realism for me.

Hopefully BF:BC will shine in that department too. But that screenshot tells me nothing except that it can do this-gen quality cutscenes.

I do think BF2 ad 2142 still look darn nice with everything maxed. Frontlines does look noticeably better and Quakewars to me doesn't.

@Thassodar:
I would make a joke about being confused about associating a neutral thing like have "darker skin pigment" with a known NEGATIVE thing like "a gamespot employee", but really the comment wasn't necessary in the first place.

Ehardergardens

I'm a Battlefield vet, been playing since 1942. I pretty much gave up on EA/Dice after they gimped Battlefield 2 for the PC. Collision problems, clipping issues, red tag bug, rank issues, ect ... all of those things turned me off of the Battlefield series and I decided not to hop aboard the BF:2142 wagon (which sucks as I had some friends that I played BF with for years, but I just couldn't stand the problems any longer). I never played BF:MC for the 360, and I'm on the fence about this one. After playing Call of Duty 4 online and seeing how nice the gameplay mechanics are ... I'm unsure if this BF will be just as tight. I didn't care much for the other CoD online multiplayer action ... but 4 just seemed to hit the spot. They got it right, and it's damn good.

Since this does have a single player story ... I might bite. Will wait for more reviews of course. That goes with any game that costs $60 these days.

dead_red_eyes

I don't think theres too much of a problem with moderate-cost DLC weapons; I do think there will be huge problems in-game, when every 13yrold kid that loses a match will attribute it to either a) the fact that he was not using DLC weapons, or b) his opponents were. The foul mouths of kids that never went through a mental-growth phase are already bad enough, even with the possibility of "cheats" mostly eradicated with Live; imagine what kinda crap they'll be spewing now that they have a somewhat legitimate excuse.

muu

@illmatic291:

QUIT WITH THE FUCKING TROLLING ALREADY.

@Tyber_Zann:

LOL!!!

@Thassodar:

Racist much?

dead_red_eyes

Whoa, I didn't know that Frontlines was developed by the guys who did Desert Combat mod for Battlefield 1942. That's awesome. I wonder if the game is eerily similar to the Battlefield series.

dead_red_eyes

Already pre-ordered Gold Version for PS3.

KingAwesome

@Ehardergardens:
True, and I never said bf2 and 2142 didn't have those issues but I played those on PC, on higher resolution, with my face stuck to the screen. It's just a personal issue I'm having here. Maybe when I play it on an HDtv I'll like it better. Now it feels like it's developed to play on HD only.

Odie20XX

@Spoony Bard: How do you know they have an impact on gameplay any more than the unlocks and who told you to we needed a rally master? I like the idea and I always get the LE or CE and for once I get something I can show for it in game. They are the first to do this and get all the grief, then the game your a fanboy of does this that you'll get the LE of and you'll be all excited that you get 'I'm special' weapons. So, stop making false statements and stop trying to rally people to your ignorant guess-work cause please!

AntiHiro

@Odie20XX: Isn't that the same as bf2 and 2142? I've gotten killed many a time hesitating a second to avoid a team kill. Or worse when a enemy was in the foreground and a friendly name was in the distance, and I failed to recognize the uniform. It really is embarrassing how long it took me to recognize and associate the teams by vehicles and uniforms. I came for UT2k4 where uniforms didn't matter as much as everything was conveniently color coded like in kindergarten.

Ehardergardens

你好新人

D Mitsuki

@Nydrin:
"look closer"...that would probably be my issue. No HD tv, small screen...

Odie20XX

I have had every battlefield game... right up until this one. No PC version, strike one. Buyable weapons, strike two. 60 bucks as opposed to the 50 dollar price tag of every other one of the battlefield games to date, strike three.

NitrousO

@dead_red_eyes: it is very Bf like. ..and it has potential for some good times, but I hardly see that many people playing it (pc) and their are definite things that make me wish it was just a tad more like a BF.
I think there is a new patch I haven't looked at yet though. Some of those things could be addressed.

Ehardergardens

I keep typing the wrong 'their'.. ug...

Ehardergardens

Battlefield franchise is always an addiction for the first month. Trying to unlock the tiered weapons then you get sick of it.

It has always been the same since 1942->2142.

Fyren

A friend of ine is in the BETA so i had a go. It was fun. And then i discoverd a floating tree. Just that made it AWESOME!

Cchrist

What about Commanders, can you still apply to be a Commander in the beginning of round? I've been playing BF2 everyday lately and I got a kick of being in charge, it's like a strategy game with live solders to spray artillery over.

People are really thankful when they see a box of supplies parachuting down to their feet.

artistpavel

all I have to say is PLEASE PLEASE include team/death match and other game modes!!! Ive been playing the battlefield 2 its cool for a while but it gets old really quick heres why- 1. spawn to make it halfway across the map to get killed, wait 10sec to respawn and repeat 2. one online mode is just wrong I like some variety 3. people just try to get kills to rank up instead of actually trying to win the round 4.(this is somewhat caused by 3.) the games will go on for way too long I mean seriously who wants to play a map hour with no end in site. now I will not get this game if it only has one online mode- maby a rent. This game does look great though I thought being able to shoot through walls in COD4 was cool but to take down a whole wall now thats something!

Molockian

Sad that the battlefield franchise has left pc... but I hear BF3 is supposed* to be coming...

thatwhichdoesnotkillme_onlyprolongstheinevitable

@Ehardergardens: @dead_red_eyes: @excel_excel:

All of you need to get over yourselves, I used the obviously most non-racist term for colored people possible, besides saying colored people. I was said as a joke, nothing more, nothing less. That being said I am a negro, a person of color, and if someone came up and called me a negro to my face I would think nothing of it. Because you individuals took it as a racist comment means nothing to me. The Gamestops at n my local area don't even have a black person in their employ.

Thassodar

@dunnace: They dont "balance" the game play they are BALANCED for game play. That means that even if you spend the money to buy them, theres no real reason to, cause they're not going to give you any real advantage.

TheExiledLeader

Boycott this. It's becoming ridiculous to pay for things that balance gameplay.

dunnace

So does the beta run on 10FPS?!

STHD

@Brian Crecente: To be fair, I played the other Battlefield games, but not very much. It's still new to me :)

txshurricane

I'm impressed with this beta so far, especially for a "Console" Battlefield game. What they did here is take BF2, gave it a new engine with destructible environments and at the same time, took away some of the many more options available to you. Maybe they wanted to simplify the game to increase new BF players into the fold or because were just not playing with a keyboard/mouse. As a veteran BF player, I'd like to see more options available to us, like "Commander" mode, that was a hit in the PC version. I'm hoping they will add the things that made the old BF games so much fun. This game can be a hit with your friends, jumping squads and coordinating attacks. I'm looking forward to seeing the final version.

B1ooDshOt

@PresDNA: I LOVE YOUR AVATAR!!! Ha sweet love that show man.

Barf#1

As the head of the vocabulary police, I have to state that the word 'effect' should be replaced with 'affect' for both uses in this article.
"Effect" refers to an outcome or end result while "affect" pertains to the way something interacts with something else.

BigWyrm

uggh, this game is just going to nickel and dime you to death, "shit guys he bought an extra bandolier! get down!" or "damn it he had more tank rounds than me." money rules in real armies, it should matter in virtual ones.

npa190

$60, that's still the same 40 euros I paid for Battlefield 2...

Shabbaman

Just to let you all know there are more than one mode in the game, The beta include JUST one because it's new and they need feedback.

DarkArcon

Frankly, I'm just going to waste for Battlefield 3. Will have MGS4 and Grand Theft Auto on the console multiplayer front anyway :)

fusilero